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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (56 Viewers)

skinfanjon said:
This is an entirely fair assessment and I don't mean to shine the spotlight on myself too much, but feel the urge to add info.

Here is the team whose 2020 1st I just acquired post trade:

QB- Brees, Stafford

RB- Kerryon, Cohen, Duke Johnson

WR: Golladay, Marvin Jones, Tate, James Washington

TE: Ian Thomas

Picks: 1.02, 1.09, 1.10, 1.11, 1.12

The picks give him a decent future but this team is awful in 2019.  Next best players are Crowder and MSV.

I'm all in on 2020.  I think there are 4-7 guys who would be the 1.01 this year.  I now own the 1st for the two worst teams in our league, plus my own which is probably a non playoff team but is a real contender for the 1.01 in FFPC.  

If this trade is Cohen, Metcalf/Jacobs, and like Harmon for Etienne/Shenault/Jeudy and (not gonna say my 1.05 but I like it), plus a 2nd in a VERY deep draft that would be a 1st this year in my estimation, I feel like it's an easy win.

I wish I could got more value but I'm trusting my plan and draft class evaluation.
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I’m a lions fan and I don’t even stack that many lions on my team! That’s pretty funny- but he does have some value in there and also a stockpile of picks to better his team with. Good luck!

 
skinfanjon said:
This is an entirely fair assessment and I don't mean to shine the spotlight on myself too much, but feel the urge to add info.
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Shine on and I don't disagree with what you are saying.

In some ways I'd tie this back to you asking me why trade Gurley now? Timing is a big thing in dynasty. Did I move Gurley and you the 1.2 to early? It's possible but my take on that kind of stuff is when a trade meets your goals the time is now.

 
FFPC not involded:

Christian McCaffery 

for 

Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Tyler Boyd, 1.2 and a 2020 2nd round pick. 

 
ffmail4me said:
12 team PPR Dynasty 

Derrick Henry 

for

1.10, 2.8, 2.10, Tyrell Williams 
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Henry, not close. I would easily pay those other pieces for just a *chance* that Henry performs even close to what he did at the end of last year. If Henry can be bought this cheap I need to try.

 
barackdhouse said:
Henry, not close. I would easily pay those other pieces for just a *chance* that Henry performs even close to what he did at the end of last year. If Henry can be bought this cheap I need to try.
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I own henry, in ppr I would probably sell him off for 3 picks and WR that is about to get paid....Im thinking the end of 2018 was more fluke than the norm going forward.

 
FFPC Blockbuster:

Dalvin Cook

Robert Woods

2020 1st (late, playoff team)

for 

Leonard Fournette 

Chris Herndon

DeDe Westbrook

2019 1.3

2019 3.7

2020 2nd

 
Tejas said:
Who would be your ideal pick @1.3?
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Hard to say right now but if you told me I had to draft today without knowing who was going where I'd invest in  Jacobs and the Iowa's.  Pick 3 is not exactly awesome in that regard but still put premium on it over a late 2020 as an example as I'm inclined to believe even if I don't love someone at pick 3 I can trade the pick OTC or post draft for better then late 2020 #1.

 
Tejas said:
FFPC Blockbuster:

Dalvin Cook

Robert Woods

2020 1st (late, playoff team)

for 

Leonard Fournette 

Chris Herndon

DeDe Westbrook

2019 1.3

2019 3.7

2020 2nd
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Cook > Fournette

Woods > 1.03

2020 1st for 2nd and 3rd?  Westbrook and Herndon don't do anything for me in FFPC for roster spots.  

Yeah I'll take Dalvin/Woods easily.  

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I own henry, in ppr I would probably sell him off for 3 picks and WR that is about to get paid....Im thinking the end of 2018 was more fluke than the norm going forward.
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Just curious what makes you think that was a fluke. Henry never had “starter” reps until that last month of the season. Once he got them, man he went nuts. The 4 TD game could be considered a fluke but the hard running and yards and goal line success seemed legit to me. Like AP, I think he’s not a good RBBC kind of back (nor was AP in New Orleans but look what he did in DC last year) he needs touches to get going. So perhaps when given 20 touches a game like they finally gave him late in the year he’ll produce?  :shrug:

 
menobrown said:
You still might feel that way and no way you'd do the trade  but he's been pretty clear it's not a random 2020 1st, it's a top 4 lock. 

I personally have had a lot better experience with picks working out when  I target middling playoff teams in the FFPC draft playoff format. Seems like every year I get a surefire future top 4 pick it almost always ends up as pick 4-6 in FFPC. Usually the teams are so bad they can't win a draft playoff game. Also you have to be a bottom two team to lock in a surefire top 4 pick so a few times I've thought it was a lock top 4 pick but the team was like the third worst team in the league and not one of the two worst, did not get a draft playoff bye and stunk all their way in draft playoffs to 5-6.

I've landed probably 6-7 top two picks over last few years and almost every single time it was from a middling playoff team, a team where I felt was around like the 6th best team in the league and those picks were usually obtained for a later first. 1.7 was highest pick I ever gave up for a future first, that was last year and got me back 3 this year but I only did that because I had other considerations such as getting a pick in round 2 in an area I had no picks and wanted to one.

So right now as bad as this draft looks especially with lack of sure thing feel to top few picks I'd not be able to equate 1.2 to a sorry teams 2020 #1 just yet. I'd rather sit on the pick and let it percolate before I could assign it that value.  But I would in a second give up a middling first this year for a #1 from a middling teams 2020.
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I don't follow, but that's not really important.  I did put the caveat that a lead-pipe lock top pick might give me pause - but if as you're describing there's some % of chance of not being top two then no, not a chance for me.

Mostly because I don't have to.  In March.  There is zero reason to make that move now.  1.02 only gets a TON more valuable after the draft. That's going to be one of the 3-4 most talented guy that goes to one of the top two destinations in the draft.  And if you wait until May to make that trade you'll get a lot more than a future 1st for 1.02. 

 
menobrown said:
Shine on and I don't disagree with what you are saying. 

In some ways I'd tie this back to you asking me why trade Gurley now? Timing is a big thing in dynasty. Did I move Gurley and you the 1.2 to early? It's possible but my take on that kind of stuff is when a trade meets your goals the time is now. 
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I could go either way on Gurley.  I don't recall your return for him but I think it looked "fine" to me.  His timing could help or hurt you, so I get you taking what you felt you could get that met your criteria when you did.  I have Gurley in all 4 of my leagues that I made the finals in (that sucked losing him) and I wouldn't mind moving him in at least two of them just to divest my risk.

 
Hankmoody said:
1.02 only gets a TON more valuable after the draft.
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That's not always the case. It's a bet I'd personally make but it's not always the case and if super attractive 2020#1's are the goal only a finite number of those exist so when you got a deal that makes sense to get one I see point of taking it. Again I'd have waited in case the pick gets more value, but they don't always increase in value.

 
Hankmoody said:
I don't follow, but that's not really important.  I did put the caveat that a lead-pipe lock top pick might give me pause - but if as you're describing there's some % of chance of not being top two then no, not a chance for me.

Mostly because I don't have to.  In March.  There is zero reason to make that move now.  1.02 only gets a TON more valuable after the draft. That's going to be one of the 3-4 most talented guy that goes to one of the top two destinations in the draft.  And if you wait until May to make that trade you'll get a lot more than a future 1st for 1.02. 
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Safe to say I disagree with consideration to this year's draft class.  There's already a general lack of excitement at the top - Metcalf is really the only buzz guy and he's getting picked apart in that thread.  What happens if he goes to Buffalo?  I started by offering the 1.03 which I also own and asking for more back, but he made it clear 1.03 was a total non-starter. 

The other bottom 2 team hasn't paid his deposit so that pick is not available.  I already have two other non-playoff teams picks and the other three teams that could miss the playoffs aren't eager to sell and I don't want to roll the dice on dodging which one becomes a late 1st. 

So knowing all that, plus disliking the perceived top talent in this draft and loving next year's class, I wasn't willing to bet that Metcalf and Jacobs both land in good to very good spots, because those are the two guys he wants and the other will probably go 1.01.

I don't make a habit of taking less than market value in trades but this one fit my plan perfectly, so as Meno just said, you take the deal when it's available. 

 
skinfanjon said:
Wayyy too much for Amari
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Wow, a little surprised at the very one-sided reactions here. I thought it was pretty fair.

These are devy league picks - you guys did get that, right? (in a non-devy league, I would agree, this is a bad trade)

Mike Gesicki was 1.09 last year,. 1.14 was DJ Chark. While this year's picks are unknown, going by that historical value, Cooper isn't worth Harry / Gesicki / Chark and the 1.09 devy dart? I think he is all day long.  

 
jwb said:
Wow, a little surprised at the very one-sided reactions here. I thought it was pretty fair.

These are devy league picks - you guys did get that, right? (in a non-devy league, I would agree, this is a bad trade)

Mike Gesicki was 1.09 last year,. 1.14 was DJ Chark. While this year's picks are unknown, going by that historical value, Cooper isn't worth Harry / Gesicki / Chark and the 1.09 devy dart? I think he is all day long.  
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I like the Harry / Picks side too.  I read that as Harry + the 1.09 and 1.14 in regular rookie draft and the 1.09 pick in the devy draft.  Correct?

 
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JohnnyU said:
I like the Harry / Picks side too.  I read that as Harry + the 1.09 and 1.14 in regular rookie draft and the 1.09 pick in the devy draft.  Correct?
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yes, that is correct. 

But 1.09 and 1.14 are generally the equivalent of a mid 2nd and mid 3rd in a normal rookie draft. 

So in a normal league, Harry, 2.06, 3.06, and the ninth pick of eligible college guys for Cooper - does that change anything? It may not, but it also doesn't sound lopsided at all (to me, anyway).

I do understand people would like the picks side - obviously, my trading partner did. Not really trying to defend my trade (I'm happy w/ it), but a lot of times in this thread, the devy league aspect gets lost. Add in we also only have 22 man rosters, with no IR spots. So keeping bubble guys is tough. 

 
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jwb said:
yes, that is correct. 

But 1.09 and 1.14 are generally the equivalent of a mid 2nd and mid 3rd in a normal rookie draft. 

So in a normal league, Harry, 2.06, 3.06, and the ninth pick of eligible college guys for Cooper - does that change anything? It may not, but it also doesn't sound lopsided at all (to me, anyway).

I do understand people would like the picks side - obviously, my trading partner did. Not really trying to defend my trade (I'm happy w/ it), but a lot of times in this thread, the devy league aspect gets lost. Add in we also only have 22 man rosters, with no IR spots. So keeping bubble guys is tough. 
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I know what their value is, I play in three devy leagues, one 14 team league that has the devy draft separate from the rookie draft and two 12 team leagues that combine the rookie and devys into one draft..  I still would rather have Harry and the picks. 

 
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JohnnyU said:
I know what their value is, I play in three devy leagues, one 14 team league that has the devy draft separate from the rookie draft and two 12 team leagues that combine the rookie and devys into one draft..  I still would rather have Harry and the picks. 
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Fair enough :)

 
12 team ppr dyeasty

Traded Sammy Watkins for 1.8 and 2021 second. 

The guy wouldnt trade  2020 picks.  Sammy was behind at least Julio, Odell, Evans, Thomas, and Juju for me at wr so I figured this might be my last odf season to get this type of value for him (I'm still a Sammy truther to an extent though).

 
Spookytooth said:
12 team ppr dyeasty

Traded Sammy Watkins for 1.8 and 2021 second. 

The guy wouldnt trade  2020 picks.  Sammy was behind at least Julio, Odell, Evans, Thomas, and Juju for me at wr so I figured this might be my last odf season to get this type of value for him (I'm still a Sammy truther to an extent though).
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At least those guys? You can add about 30 more names to the list for me.

That's robbery for the picks side. I'm not even so sure I'd give up a second alone for Watkins.

 
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