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Kamara easily...Bell is what he is at this point and isn't getting any younger and if I am dealing Kamara I want more ability to know who will be around when I make those picks which is a long way of saying those picks are not high enough when dealing a legit stud.
I said this over in the IDP thread. I'm considering trading the 1.01 and the 2.01 for the 1.06, 1.07, 2.04, 2.06 for this exact reason. I can trade back and get two guys on D in the first, which I desperately need. Trade calculator has this trade benefiting the 1.01 guy, by the way.
Elements of this reminds me of that Emmanuel Sanders for Hockenson trade in a TE premium league that got posted last week.
Gonna cop out and say I would really need to look at the rosters and what the goal of the new Julio Owner is (meaning do they have a lot of young talent so they can make a win now move).
Trading for Connor right now is dicey...if the Steelers go RB in the second this deal will really hurt...1.10 is a nice asset that you can use in a safer manner...on the flip-side if they don't draft another RB it's a fair deal but I don't see the need to roll the dice when the warning signs are there.
I agree with your assessment as an over pay for both. I could see 10 for Conner if you are desperate for a RB and they are very hard to come by in a league not known for trades and a team looking to compete this year but I still wouldn't pay that. I really like Sanders but that is a hefty price.
I'm not huge on Chubb but I would say he is slightly favored in this deal. I could be swayed with roster makeup though, so nothing wrong from either team's side but may not age well for the guy getting Julio. Should be money this year though.
On first glance, getting Chubb looks like the obvious win here.
Mostert is a definite sell for most of the fantasy community.
Was going to post something similar, I wouldn't trade Chubb for Julio in in a full PPR, much less half PPR. And I agree with the earlier statement that Chubb is overrated for fantasy with Hunt still in town. But Julio is not a guy I would touch right now unless he came at a decent discount to his ADP, far too much risk factor there as a declining asset.
I moved Julio per earlier in the thread for about seventy-five cents on the dollar, all things considered. It took a throw-in of a significant risk to get him moved for the player I wanted. By all accounts, I lost the trade like a Gettleman trade (rebuilding yet still competing), but I'm happy with its own internal paradoxes. I post this just to reaffirm what it took to move him at his age and (importantly to me a few weeks ago) the modelling regarding COVID and the viability of this season as a full fantasy and playable year.
I was offered 2.8 for my Mostert and I declined. I liked what I saw from him end of last year and, even though SF is likely a committee at RB, I don’t think I’d give him up for a major dart throw at 2.8.
I love his talent and would love to believe in him but I sold him on purpose to get out of my own way. In 2020 I can see him and the 9'er backfield a mess to predict, start him and get 8 FF points one week and bench him then he gets 27 FF points, no thanks.
I hope I'm not contradicting myself when I like this post and think it is of value despite my post before believing in Mostert. I've seen better players have their roles become situated worse than Mostert's, so who knows what pure talent will bring. That's up to the coaches. Coleman is in the last year of his contract, as is McKinnon, if I'm not mistaken. Breida was just, per this thread and news stories, offered a second-round tender as an RFA, so he's likely staying put but for a trade. Mostert has a crowded backfield but has done the most with his carries. I don't blame anyone for moving on from him for surer things and opportunities calling that aren't subject to analysis and/or whims beyond their foresight.
I think trades like that are real savvy...you get to a point in rookie drafts (and each year is a little different) where your chance of hitting drops pretty solidly...if you can turn those type of picks into a veteran like a Mostert, Edelman or Ingram type of player that could be a real difference-maker once the season starts.
That is a real interesting trade...all three guys are question marks...gonna go with the cop out answer that if I needed a TE I like the TJH side and if I was thin at WR I would take Williams.
If it's just for 2020, I like Team A in the first trade and Team B in the second. Overall pull is Sutton, Landry, Williams for Team B, right?
I don't think Mostert belongs in the company of the players you mentioned. Those are multi-year performers devalued due to age but reasonable reason to be assured they'd be productive. I don't see it with Mostert.
I can see your point but the guy lit it up hard last year and if San Fran doesn't draft a RB early he will be given every opportunity to succeed next year...when trying to win a Super Bowl last year he was the guy who produced...as far as 2020 is concerned there is a ton of upside and with the type of guys I am talking about it is one year at a time,.menobrown said:
I've been pretty anti-Mostert here for a few months but I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. For a variety of reasons he's not my kind of guy I'm investing. Not only have I been wrong on him before but like really recently. I split some FFPC playoff teams with a group of people and a few of them put Mostert on teams against my strong advice. I was wrong, they held firm, they won me some nice change. I've said my opinions on him enough but I was just mainly trying to comment that he was not like the examples you used of old proven players who are devalued due to age. If Mostert is devalued it's more concern he can keep it up.
I’d easily take the right hand side of the equation in both of those deals. I don’t see the logic for the teams getting Hooper and especially Ben. Well I guess I can see the logic for the new Hooper owner but would vehemently disagree with it, even with the 1.12 being far from a sure thing.Gottabesweet said:
i am actually not too high on him either and I do think the other guy's I referenced are more solid due to their history but if San Fran doesn't add a RB I don't blame anyone for getting him for that type of pick...taking this to another tangent is the pre-draft dice roll going after some of these RBs like Conner, R. Jones, damien Williams or Mostert...a lot on the line on draft day...they could be real steals going after them right now or their value could absolutely implode...gonna be very interesting to see what the RB landscape looks like after the draft.
I think the easy answer is that rookies make little money...also, this draft has some quality RBs that could slip into the low second/third round area...if San Fran trades back and someone like Dobbins slips or if they really like someone like Akers they could end up with a high-end RB making peanuts for the next four years...that would be a real plus when figuring out the salary cap...much better then paying decent money for players like McKinnon or Coleman...the the thing with players like Mostert is they don't always work-out...you can't make a guy like that your plan A.
We posted at nearly the same time, so let's combine the post I just made with this: Like I pointed out, you'd being paying the draft slot of 13 or 31 big-time money for those first four or five years if you select a running back, investing tons of draft capital in him. SF doesn't pick again until 156, so those backs you mention (Dobbins and Akers) are likely to be gone unless teams are really waiting it out. You're talking about a first-round average guarantee in salary of over 16 million dollars. PFF breaks down last year's salary in the article I posted. The backs each make less than a rookie salary at 13 or 31, likely. And their salaries aren't guaranteed.
Not too be a pain but you missed the part where I said it would involve a trade back...lot of speculation that San Fran will move that #31 pick to get back some picks they are missing which is the scenario I could see them grabbing a RB because it does seem like there is potential for a very talented rookie to be available in that late second/third round area.
You're not being a pain. I did miss that. My apologies. If that's the case, then they could indeed take a back. Let's look at the 49ers actions, then: Coleman is in the last year of his deal and has not been re-upped, McKinnon restructured per reports and goes through '21, Breida was granted a second-round tender just a few weeks ago, and Mostert just singed for three years at $8.7 million in late January with one million signing and three million guaranteed. Jeff Wilson was retained (I thought he'd been released, but he wasn't).
I think it all comes down to value at the draft...they won't force it but if one of these top-tier RBs slips it is certainly a possibility...in fairness that will be true for a good majority of teams...and yes, Dobbins looks better to me then everyone of those guys mentioned...IMO it could be by a lot when you factor in age and the contract for where he would be drafted in this scenario.
Quite possibly. I personally think the second-best rushing attack in the NFL speaks for itself. Guess we'll agree to disagree there.
Yeah, I won't debate that. That's generally true for every team at every position, though, but I get that this may be more of a need here.
My dislike for paying anything remotely close to his value would remain the same if they added no one. They already are deep. I just don't see anything changing from Mostert being a sub 15 carry RB, my guess more in the 10-12 range on average at best, that is not involved in the passing game. I'd venture to guess that 80% of his games he does not score a TD he won't hit double digits PPR fantasy points. That's just not my kind of guy.
Weeks 12-17 last year, when he'd won the 1A job basically, he averaged 18.6 PPR pts per game, scoring eight touchdowns in six games. Take away the touchdowns and he averages 10.6 pts. per game. Who knows how the other backs cut into that, but that's what was going on. Perhaps that's why you won that nice change in the FFPC playoffs. It certainly wasn't touchdown or bust for double figures.
Coleman was healthy at the end of the year. Wilson was, too, he was just a scratch. Coleman missed two games, games two and three. Coleman got hurt in the playoffs. He sort of lost the job in the regular season to Mostert. Breida was indeed hurt.
I'm not going to beat the dead horse here.
