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Not sure why the new Sutton owner would have been interested then. DJM was worth a lot more than Sutton even before the ACL tear and Herbert doesn't really move the needle in 1qb.Just normal start 1 QB PPR, not SF
Not sure why the new Sutton owner would have been interested then. DJM was worth a lot more than Sutton even before the ACL tear and Herbert doesn't really move the needle in 1qb.Just normal start 1 QB PPR, not SF
Right? It’s so noticeable how much more explosive any other RB has looked in that offense this yearYeah - during the offseason at least you could justify it by the volume he would get and the hope that he may look a bit more healthy. To get it now after even more dirt was thrown on him, as he's looked really bad, is shocking.
When Brian Hill looks better it's time to hang 'em up.Right? It’s so noticeable how much more explosive any other RB has looked in that offense this year
This was beyond awful even before the Mack injury, a trade like this would have my league chats on fire for a week.14 team, Superflex, PPR, TE Premium
Team A sends: 2021 projected 1.01/1.02
Team B sends: N'Keal Harry, Chris Herndon, Marlon Mack
This is from a while ago, before Mack injury. The team sending the 1st is bottom and hasnt scored over 80 points yet. Looks like the 1.01 almost certainly.
If I'm win now I want Crowder, otherwise like Hamler/4th long term....12 team PPR.
Crowder/6th for Hamler/4th
Both trades are awful. I'd say the chances of a rookie WR coming in next year and putting up McLaurin's numbers are at about...oh 2%.14 team, Superflex, PPR, TE Premium
Team A sends: 2021 projected 1.01/1.02
Team B sends: N'Keal Harry, Chris Herndon, Marlon Mack
This is from a while ago, before Mack injury. The team sending the 1st is bottom and hasnt scored over 80 points yet. Looks like the 1.01 almost certainly.
12 team, Superflex, PPR
Team A sends: Terry McLaurin
Team B sends: 2021 early/mid first
I like it, well done. Chubb and Barkley are pretty close in my mind. Cooper > old dirty *******. Harry is a bum.Gave: Barkley, Beckham, Harry
Got: Chubb, Cooper, Mike Davis
I think this is Crowder for Hamler, more-or-less.12 team PPR.
Crowder/6th for Hamler/4th
I had a contacted the entire league shopping him, and this was the only offer I got. People resent me for dominating the league I guess (I have won the league 2 straight years)I like it, well done. Chubb and Barkley are pretty close in my mind. Cooper > old dirty *******. Harry is a bum.
I would only add you might have gotten more for Barkley. A lot of people under appreciate losing a whole season from him.
Hard to say it's such a big deal. But at first glance, loosely, I see Cooper and Mike Davis as pretty close to even with Beckham and Harry. Probably edge to Cooper side. Then you're left with Chubb v Barkley which is on the Barkley side on paper, but you're going to (hopefully) get a year of elite production while the other guy doesn't. So. Yeah I think I like it for you. Probably not terrible for the other guy either.Just made a trade out of desperation due to losing CMC and Barkley in my 12 team PPR dynasty league where I won the league last year. Tell me this isn't too bad a move
Gave: Barkley, Beckham, Harry
Got: Chubb, Cooper, Mike Davis
My logic was starting Chubb and Davis (until CMC gets back) should keep me in the hunt (I literally didn't even have a flex worthy RB to start) as we have to start 2 RBs each week and I still have a good core of WRs each week- Thomas, AJB, Cooper, McLaurin, Parker, Crowder, Preston Williams, Hamler....and I have Kelce at TE and start either Brees or Big Ben at QB. Worth giving up Barkley to try and repeat??
I love Hilton as a buy low, but I'm not sure this is buying low.12 team PPR
gave 2 late second round pick 2021 and Duvernay
got Hilton
I understand having concerns about Barkley, but you can't trade him for a bunch of random pieces like that. I'm a Campbell fan, but he's almost worthless again probably with his injury. The picks are fine but no guarantees and the firsts are a long way out. If you're trading Barkley, you need to get at least one established young stud back. Maybe you won't get those top RBs now, but there are plenty of good young WRs to target. You need a tangible asset and this deal doesn't have it.12 Team PPR IDP
Team a gets: Saquon Barkley, 4th 2022
Team b gets: 2x mid firsts 2022, early second 2021, late second 2021, Parris Campbell
What do you think? I am worried about Saquons injury. It is not a clean acl tear so rehab is going to take longer and since he relies so much on his athleticism...
This is not a good trade for you. The unknown output from players in the mid first/early second just does not make up for the proven studliness of Saquon Barkley. The severity of the SB injury doesnt really bring balance to this deal, imo.12 Team PPR IDP
Team a gets: Saquon Barkley, 4th 2022
Team b gets: 2x mid firsts 2022, early second 2021, late second 2021, Parris Campbell
What do you think? I am worried about Saquons injury. It is not a clean acl tear so rehab is going to take longer and since he relies so much on his athleticism...
I agree moving Barkley you need at least one proven WR/RB1 type. But I also disagree that Saquon has "proven studliness." He's had one good year (that was drastically inflated in the Checkdown Corpse of Eli) and one very disappointing year. Right now he is basically a stock that is trading high on projected future returns, not established earnings.This is not a good trade for you. The unknown output from players in the mid first/early second just does not make up for the proven studliness of Saquon Barkley. The severity of the SB injury doesnt really bring balance to this deal, imo.
100% agree with this. I think rookies who march onto the scene and produce quickly tend to hold value longer even if we never see that production again. The Giants are a mess, he now has two season ending injuries, and he looked shell shocked the two games he played this year. Give me someone with less question marks going forward even if it not “fair market value.”I agree moving Barkley you need at least one proven WR/RB1 type. But I also disagree that Saquon has "proven studliness." He's had one good year (that was drastically inflated in the Checkdown Corpse of Eli) and one very disappointing year. Right now he is basically a stock that is trading high on projected future returns, not established earnings.
If I owned him anywhere and I could move him for a deal including Chubb or CEH or any back from that tier below CMC/SB, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
He didn’t have a season ending injury last year, he actually won fantasy owners championships because he’s a generational talent whom has proven he can produce elite numbers in a below average offense.100% agree with this. I think rookies who march onto the scene and produce quickly tend to hold value longer even if we never see that production again. The Giants are a mess, he now has two season ending injuries, and he looked shell shocked the two games he played this year. Give me someone with less question marks going forward even if it not “fair market value.”
Chubb.Well, after a few back & forth efforts, we came to a deal... 12 team PPR 1/2/2/1 & 2 flex (25 roster, IR & TS) Very shallow FA pool
I gave up: Clev RB Nick Chubb
I got: Buf RB Devin Silgletary, Balt WR Marquise Brown, Ind WR T.Y. Hilton and Det TE T.Y. Hockenson
You are right, my memory must be fading. Not sure why I thought they shut him down last year. Either way I would be happy to make a move to move down a couple notches based on the injury this year and how he looked the first two games.He didn’t have a season ending injury last year, he actually won fantasy owners championships because he’s a generational talent whom has proven he can produce elite numbers in a below average offense.
Trade that guy at age 24 coming off (what now seems like a pretty routine) ACL recovery for a couple mid 1sts if you want, odds are stacked heavily against that deal working out though.
I doubt many of Barkley's owners last year benefited from his playoff performance.He didn’t have a season ending injury last year, he actually won fantasy owners championships because he’s a generational talent whom has proven he can produce elite numbers in a below average offense.
Trade that guy at age 24 coming off (what now seems like a pretty routine) ACL recovery for a couple mid 1sts if you want, odds are stacked heavily against that deal working out though.
To be accurate you are basing it on ONE game this season - not two - and it was against a buzz saw defense. In game 2 before he got hurt he had 28 yards of 4 carries - that’s 7 ypc.You are right, my memory must be fading. Not sure why I thought they shut him down last year. Either way I would be happy to make a move to move down a couple notches based on the injury this year and how he looked the first two games.
Interesting characterization.I agree moving Barkley you need at least one proven WR/RB1 type. But I also disagree that Saquon has "proven studliness." He's had one good year (that was drastically inflated in the Checkdown Corpse of Eli) and one very disappointing year. Right now he is basically a stock that is trading high on projected future returns, not established earnings.
If I owned him anywhere and I could move him for a deal including Chubb or CEH or any back from that tier below CMC/SB, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I think that 91 catches will be his career high and he'll probably average around 60-70, which is about his pace the year without Eli. And if I'd taken SB 1.1 last year I would have been very disappointed. I looked at stats. Before the fantasy playoffs, 5 total TDs and 2 100 yard rushing games. I know he was hurt and it obviously affected him, but it was a bad season for a 1.1.Interesting characterization.
In that "inflated by Eli check-downs" year he rushed for 5ypc with 2000 total yards. His catches were 7.9ypr which is right on line with what CMC does so I'm not sure why his would be characterized solely as check downs.
In that "very disappointing" year he had 1500 yards in 13 games despite playing most of the year injured.
Well that’s not exactly going out on a limb.I think that 91 catches will be his career high
Sorry, but this is Chubb pretty handily, IMO. 2nd round startup pick for a couple 5ths and some change. Especially in a league where you can start 4x RBs and only 2x WRs. It could workout. Hock has tier 1 potential and Brown could become a solid WR2. You’d also need Singletary to pick it up. I like Hock a ton and Brown enough, but don’t like the odds of all 3 of those things happening. Good luck though.Well, after a few back & forth efforts, we came to a deal... 12 team PPR 1/2/2/1 & 2 flex (25 roster, IR & TS) Very shallow FA pool
I gave up: Clev RB Nick Chubb
I got: Buf RB Devin Silgletary, Balt WR Marquise Brown, Ind WR T.Y. Hilton and Det TE T.Y. Hockenson
You got hosed12 Team PPR IDP
Team a gets: Saquon Barkley, 4th 2022
Team b gets: 2x mid firsts 2022, early second 2021, late second 2021, Parris Campbell
What do you think? I am worried about Saquons injury. It is not a clean acl tear so rehab is going to take longer and since he relies so much on his athleticism...
You are right, obviously didn’t put in a lot of effort on my post. Bottom line I would be happy to drop down a tier to move on from him. RBs seem to be falling off cliffs at a faster rate and I prefer a healthy option versus wondering if we see the same player again.To be accurate you are basing it on ONE game this season - not two - and it was against a buzz saw defense. In game 2 before he got hurt he had 28 yards of 4 carries - that’s 7 ypc.
Carson. If I was desperate there are a lot of guys I’d target over Gurley. I like Henderson, Gaskin, DJ, Davis, McKinnon and Jones at their prices over Carson for Gurley. Gurley Shouldn’t be on an NFL roster next season, IMO, sadly.Gave: Gurley/3rd
Got: Carson
Prior Carson owner was down to 1 RB this week with Henry out.
Once owners are clearly out of playoff hunt they’re usually looking for draft picks. In my leagues I’m confident I could land something more valuable than Fuller with a 1st.12-team dynasty superflex, 5 flex positions, 1 PPR.
Win-now window of 2-3 years.
Gave: 2022 1.xx (likely back end)
Received: Will Fuller
Monty. I don’t love either guy, so give me the 3 down back, all else equal.Had the offer out for several days, I guess with the Lazard news coupled with his WR woes, he bit.
I gave: Singletary/MVS/Malcom Brown
I got: Montgomery
it’s a 2022 1st.Once owners are clearly out of playoff hunt they’re usually looking for draft picks. In my leagues I’m confident I could land something more valuable than Fuller with a 1st.
If I was going to make an offer for Barkley at this point I wouldn't offer much more than what you got. Maybe you could have got a little more but you didn't get hosed.12 Team PPR IDP
Team a gets: Saquon Barkley, 4th 2022
Team b gets: 2x mid firsts 2022, early second 2021, late second 2021, Parris Campbell
What do you think? I am worried about Saquons injury. It is not a clean acl tear so rehab is going to take longer and since he relies so much on his athleticism...
Between week 2 and 3 I sold Barkley for Mixon Conner and GoffIf I was going to make an offer for Barkley at this point I wouldn't offer much more than what you got. Maybe you could have got a little more but you didn't get hosed.
Which side are you on here? Robinson/Kelley looks pretty good.12 Tm PPR - 25 man rosters - Q/RR/WWW/T/F
*Before last weeks games*
Cam Akers
for
James Robinson and Joshua Kelley
In startup value it’s something like the 1.05 for a couple 4ths (or 5ths) and some change. That’s pretty bad.If I was going to make an offer for Barkley at this point I wouldn't offer much more than what you got. Maybe you could have got a little more but you didn't get hosed.
Give me the Robinson side.10 Team PPR IDP
Team A received James Robinson, AJ Epensea
Team B received Jalen Reagor, N Morrow
Team A had limited depth behind Chubb, Conner, and White. Team B looking to bolster WR core for the long term.
Superflex I would say that's more. But if not that's not a whole lot more than 2 firsts 2 seconds and Campbell.Between week 2 and 3 I sold Barkley for Mixon Conner and Goff
I don't think that's where Barkley's value is currently with that injury.In startup value it’s something like the 1.05 for a couple 4ths (or 5ths) and some change. That’s pretty bad.
According to DLF’s ongoing mocks, here is first round ADP. It’s based only on 4 mocks, but it feels right to me. I could see taking another 2 or 3 guys over him, but he’s a clear 1st round pick still. Even if we say he’s 1.10 the trade is still pretty bad.I don't think that's where Barkley's value is currently with that injury.
I got Robinson and Kelley. I didn’t feel great about it at the time, but couldn’t waste a year of my core’s prime waiting for both Akers and Swift. I like it more after last week and wouldn’t trade Robinson for Akers straight up if offered to me today.Which side are you on here? Robinson/Kelley looks pretty good.