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chubb is the best rb in the nflActually it seems they thinK he’s even better than he is.
chubb is the best rb in the nflActually it seems they thinK he’s even better than he is.
That is all possible but Johnson and Washington are still going to be back and if it is Ben again he has not shown that he still has the down field throwing skill that would help Claypool. I love claypool for the Steelers because he is a unique talent, but Cooper has shown the ability to do this over years and with Chase we are banking on him doing more than we have seen I didn't think it was a slam dunk win for me, but I like what Cooper does for my team.But remember Tomlin admitted to pulling him back, cutting his minutes later in the year as he was worried about the rookie wall. Now add in the likelihood that JuJu is gone and you've got a player blasting into orbit when you pair his talent with opportunity...
Even if that was true, this is a fantasy football thread. Jacobs is just as productive (albeit not as talented) and that guy added 2 first round picks. That was a ridiculous overpay.chubb is the best rb in the nfl
I like the Cooper side (and no im not a huge Cooper fan) and would like it a lot if I knew roster size was more shallow than deep.I see the argument for Claypool, but Cooper has what 4 top 24 seasons at WR already and is only 26, for me I was buying stability. I get that Claypool was about WR 23 in PPR this year I think and Cooper was 15 with a lot of bad qb play after Dak. The upside and years might be on the side of Claypool but I think I can bank on 3 more top 24 years from Cooper and I have a window to win now so I like the stability, but I appreciate hearing the other side.
I wrote this somewhere (could be this thread) but Cooper has a very bad habit of laying complete eggs during fantasy playoff time (weeks 14-16)...checkout his game-logs for those weeks over the years:That is all possible but Johnson and Washington are still going to be back and if it is Ben again he has not shown that he still has the down field throwing skill that would help Claypool. I love claypool for the Steelers because he is a unique talent, but Cooper has shown the ability to do this over years and with Chase we are banking on him doing more than we have seen I didn't think it was a slam dunk win for me, but I like what Cooper does for my team.
So he chokes under the pressure?I wrote this somewhere (could be this thread) but Cooper has a very bad habit of laying complete eggs during fantasy playoff time (weeks 14-16)...checkout his game-logs for those weeks over the years:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CoopAm00.htm
Not sure how that works in fantasy but he is definitely not doing his owners any favors.So he chokes under the pressure?
Debatable. Jacobs produced in 15 games what Chubb produced in 12...this year anyway.Even if that was true, this is a fantasy football thread. Jacobs is just as productive (albeit not as talented) and that guy added 2 first round picks. That was a ridiculous overpay.
jacobs finished w 20pts more in PPR, playing 3.5 games more than ChubbDebatable. Jacobs produced in 15 games what Chubb produced in 12...this year anyway.
I was just making a bad joke.Not sure how that works in fantasy but he is definitely not doing his owners any favors.
Team A wins this and IMO it’s not close.This just went down in FFPC league, not SF, and also not involved:
Team A gave: Mark Andrews, 1.7, 2.7, 2022#1 projected late(league champ last year), 2022#3 also projected late
Team B gave: 1.3, 2.3,2.4, 3.6, 2022#1 that's hard to predict, and a 2022#3 that projects high.
Put another way a bump from 7 to 3, 2.3 and 2.4 plus better odds at improved first and third round picks in 2022 for Mark Andrews and 2.7.
I'm solidly on team A's side.
That’s “just as productive” isn’t it? I mean that’s a negligible difference.jacobs finished w 20pts more in PPR, playing 3.5 games more than Chubb
The Zeke owner was pushing to sell him to me last year.This is the epitome of a “better a year early, than a year too late” kind of deal. I like the gamble.
Guess it depends on the format, but Hurts would have to do exceptionally well to be worth the 1.05, never mind that being a bargain.It’s a gamble, but I like the move for the guy getting Hurts. I would be very surprised if Philly drafted a QB, and the 1.05 could be a small price to pay for Hurts nine months from now.
Small sample size sure, but he averaged around 27 points per game in a three-game stretch last year. So yes, in 2QB or SF(which that trade was) you better believe that’s a bargain for a 22 year old player.Guess it depends on the format, but Hurts would have to do exceptionally well to be worth the 1.05, never mind that being a bargain.
Where do you see Lawrence going in rookie drafts in those formats?Small sample size sure, but he averaged around 27 points per game in a three-game stretch last year. So yes, in 2QB or SF(which that trade was) you better believe that’s a bargain for a 22 year old player.
Snap selection 1.01.Where do you see Lawrence going in rookie drafts in those formats?
Yes, that is correct. I was just debating what I bolded - that Jacobs is as productive as Chubb. He's not.That’s “just as productive” isn’t it? I mean that’s a negligible difference.
Odd stance going on here - but in ppr fantasy football Chubb and Jacobs are close enough where getting the 1.03 and another first in the deal is a ridiculous overpay.
I feel like I bang the Cooper is underrated drum a lot but I'd still take Claypool side on this one and that opinion is more pro-Claypool in nature then anti-Amari.12 team SF PPR
Gave Chase Claypool and Darnell Mooney
Got Amari Cooper
I like Claypool as a Steeler fan but this feels like a solid return to me for two guys I got in round 3 and 4 of the rookie draft last year.
Unless Kareem Hunt had a foot amputated in the offseason that’s kind of irrelevant to FF. Hunt’s presence/productivity will put a cap on Chubb’s value as long as Hunt is splitting carries.chubb is the best rb in the nfl
I’m with this take 100%I feel like I bang the Cooper is underrated drum a lot but I'd still take Claypool side on this one and that opinion is more pro-Claypool in nature then anti-Amari.
I disagree with this too. As it was, Chubb was still 10th in RB PPR scoring and that's with missing 4.5 games. Had he played those games at an average level for the year, he likely would have been top 5.Unless Kareem Hunt had a foot amputated in the offseason that’s kind of irrelevant to FF. Hunt’s presence/productivity will put a cap on Chubb’s value as long as Hunt is splitting carries.
I think he caps it...a bit. As in, I’m not sure I ever see Chubb hitting top 3 as long as Kareem is there, when I believe he has RB1 overall potential easily. I think Chubb might be the most talented back in the entire league. But Kareem is pretty darn good in his own right, and takes just enough away from Chubb with targets and red zone opportunities I think it does cap what could be absolutely monstrous seasons for Chubb.I disagree with this too. As it was, Chubb was still 10th in RB PPR scoring and that's with missing 4.5 games. Had he played those games at an average level for the year, he likely would have been top 5.
Hunt doesn't cap Chubbs output. Hunt just has unusually high #2 back production.
I just offered Cooper for Claypool and 2.4 in one of my leagues and was immediately rejected no comment no counter. I think that's a hell of a return for Cooper. I can't get jack squat for him.12 team SF PPR
Gave Chase Claypool and Darnell Mooney
Got Amari Cooper
I like Claypool as a Steeler fan but this feels like a solid return to me for two guys I got in round 3 and 4 of the rookie draft last year.
Agreed. I would take Claypool and Mooney in a heartbeat, particularly if Chicago upgrades at QB. I think Mooney has talent.I just offered Cooper for Claypool and 2.4 in one of my leagues and was immediately rejected no comment no counter. I think that's a hell of a return for Cooper. I can't get jack squat for him.
Feel the same. I actually was taking a nap when the team posted Barkley was OTC and by time I woke up he was gone. Bad timing for me to take a nap because while I can't say for sure how the team would have valued my players/picks but my guess is I'd have put a much better package together for him.Barkley
1.01 in probably 99% of leagues. The 1% of leagues would be people that already have QB dialed in and didn't figure out how to move back or didn't understand they should have taken Lawrence regardless if they couldn't move out of it.Where do you see Lawrence going in rookie drafts in those formats?
This one was from a few days ago and I'm not involved but the two trading partners have posted in this thread from time to time, figured I'd give them a few days to see if they posted but it's a big one so I will.
FFPC-standard
Team A gave: Barkley, 2.1, 2022#3
Team B gave: 1.3, Lamar Jackson, 3.3, 2022#3.
Hunt caps Chubbs ceiling but that doesn't mean that Chubb isn't still going to be a top 10-ish RB. Chubb can be good for FF and still have his ceiling capped.I disagree with this too. As it was, Chubb was still 10th in RB PPR scoring and that's with missing 4.5 games. Had he played those games at an average level for the year, he likely would have been top 5.
Hunt doesn't cap Chubbs output. Hunt just has unusually high #2 back production.
Saquon, pretty easily.This one was from a few days ago and I'm not involved but the two trading partners have posted in this thread from time to time, figured I'd give them a few days to see if they posted but it's a big one so I will.
FFPC-standard
Team A gave: Barkley, 2.1, 2022#3
Team B gave: 1.3, Lamar Jackson, 3.3, 2022#3.
Hunt gets a lot of GL / RZ work. He also sponges up a ton of receptions.I disagree with this too. As it was, Chubb was still 10th in RB PPR scoring and that's with missing 4.5 games. Had he played those games at an average level for the year, he likely would have been top 5.
Hunt doesn't cap Chubbs output. Hunt just has unusually high #2 back production.
Bingo.I think he caps it...a bit. As in, I’m not sure I ever see Chubb hitting top 3 as long as Kareem is there, when I believe he has RB1 overall potential easily. I think Chubb might be the most talented back in the entire league. But Kareem is pretty darn good in his own right, and takes just enough away from Chubb with targets and red zone opportunities I think it does cap what could be absolutely monstrous seasons for Chubb.
And then today:FFPC SuperFlex:
I gave Zeke, Parker, Higbee (speak of the devil)
I got Corey Davis, Ian Thomas, 1.09, 2.04, 3.01, 3.05
Just happened after the TE discussion but in this one I'm really not a Thomas fan but he is just a throw in for both of us. He probably won't make my roster. I am basically clearing two roster spots and liquidating Zeke here. I like Davis over Parker as well.
Gotta agree, pretty steep price for a 3PPG difference in my leagues, less than 2PPG in 2019. It could work out for him as Chubb is a very good RB, but 1.03 and future 1st could turn into good players or be traded for a very good player(s) that gives you much more than 3PPG at another starting spot.I'm sideways, you gave up Chubb did not get him. I was trying to be nice and say you lost value but will enjoy rooting for your team more but none of that applies, quite the opposite.
I do not agree Chubb over Jacobs and 1.3 made that team better equipped to win it next year.
I think dropping from the 2.04 to the 2.06 really puts this in the other guys favor.........And then today:
I gave 1.09, 2.04, Crowder, Big Ben
I got CEH, 2.06
I gotta be honest this one feels good. I know a lot of people don't like CEH but I'm not one of them.
Clyde as cheap as she getsI think dropping from the 2.04 to the 2.06 really puts this in the other guys favor.........
In all seriousness, probably a good price to pay for CEH
Yeah I’d make that move easily.FFPC Regular
I gave 3.06
I got Mooney
He offered me this or my Everett for Mooney but I think I have to see what Everett can do to beat that price. I think I like Higbee in LA right now more than Everett on team X in FA but I'd like to see it play out. And this team of mine is buying players like Mooney so I think I can roster Everett for now.
Nice move for you. I sold Mooney for Gallup not long ago, but I also have ARob on the same teamFFPC Regular
I gave 3.06
I got Mooney
He offered me this or my Everett for Mooney but I think I have to see what Everett can do to beat that price. I think I like Higbee in LA right now more than Everett on team X in FA but I'd like to see it play out. And this team of mine is buying players like Mooney so I think I can roster Everett for now.
It seems lopsided in the other guys favor. You should have gotten more out of this. Even Golliday for Hunt is lopsided as I would have asked for Hunt and a second rounder for Golliday.Just moved Engram & Golladay for Hunt in PPR. I could use the Rb depth & I had been shopping both Golladay & Engram for months with no real worthwhile offers. I am a contender as of this year & Engram and Golladay didn't help me last year. I can plug Hunt in at flex. Plus, I free up a roster spot before cut downs