Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Obviously a stacked team - so you can afford to wait out the pick until 2023.
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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (16 Viewers)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I also subscribe to the idea that I'd rather have a good player on my bench than on your active roster.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
12 Team SF PPR, not involved
Team A got QB Sam Darnold, 2022 second
Team B got WR Brandon Aiyuk
Team A got QB Sam Darnold, 2022 second
Team B got WR Brandon Aiyuk
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
QBs are obviously valuable in SF but this is a steal for Aiyuk...the kid has a chance to be a top 10 WR for a long time...Darnold has new life in Carolina but if he does not play well this year I don't see them giving him a second opportunity...if Team A was QB needy they needed to get a QB that is guaranteed to be a starter for a long time...you don't get that with Darnold...and the second definitely does not close the gap.
At first I was on the 1.05 side due to the quality of talent available there, but after seeing your roster I like your strategy. I think what's probably more important than a single trade is that you are looking toward to the future and sticking to a plan. Hopefully the 2023 class is stacked.
foxco
Footballguy
Depends on what you think of Pittman I guess (and where the 1st is expected to be). Cohen/Roundtree don't move the needle at all for me. If Pittman pays off could be a win/win.
I am a bit confused by the bolded. The Bears have quality skill guys (A-Rob, Mooney, Kmet, Montgomery, Damien Williams, Cohen) that I think would help a rookie QB fantasy wise. I am talking strictly for FF as I don't see this is a bad spot at all for a rookie QB in fantasy terms. I actually think it is quite good.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
You aren't wrong but A-Rob could be gone next year most likely and the others are decent but nothing special yet really. My biggest complaint is who is calling plays and how the team/offense is run. Just my take. He will be fine but I don't see something special there at all personally.
Boston
Footballguy
Doesn't seem hyperbolic at all especially since I said "he has a chance" although maybe you missed that part...he's a very talented/super-athletic first round draft pick who had a very nice rookie year and is playing for a Coach that has had success with WRs in the past...he is a guy I have obtained in both my Dynasty leagues because I believe his upside is in the neighborhood with that of other athletic freaks like AJ Brown and DK Metcalf so I really have no hesitation saying "he has a chance to be a top 10 WR for a long time."
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Tau837
Footballguy
Falling back on "he has a chance" simply puts him into a group with a lot other guys who "have a chance." Wherever you would put his odds of achieving that, I'm guessing I would take the under.
Birdie048
Footballguy
tangfoot said:
I am a fan of Pittman & I like this deal. I see it as a fair deal for both sides (with Cohen & Roundtree non-factors). If the 2022 1st is early, all the better! I see Pittman developing into a reliable WR2 with a good chance of WR1 upside. The return of Wentz to a quality QB will be the dominant influencing factor. Hilton is nothing more than a Veteran presence for the young Michael Pittman & Parris Campbell. I don't see Hilton getting the targets to be viable WR3. If the early reports are to be reliable, Indy has a soft Pass Defense schedule.foxco said:
I understand Evans will only be 28 this coming season. But the TB offense is diverse and it will be hard to get enough targets.
Boston
Footballguy
You are more than welcome to disagree and take the under...I am not gonna say he is definitely gonna be a top 10 WR because while I love his chances I always take an upside/downside approach and he has a few obstacles to climb such as the uncertainty of Lance and playing with Deebo and Kittle...but for this particular deal I see it as a win because he absolutely has a chance to be top 10 WR and in a worst case scenario I still see him as a high quality fantasy asset...and I don't think that is being hyperbolic or falling back because I think it would be pretty arrogant for anyone to state they know this definitely.
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Cjw_55106
Footballguy
Sending away Jonathan Taylor isnt an easy decision, but I did it anyways.
12 team PPR, 1 QB
Traded Taylor and Matt Ryan for Josh Allen and 2022 1st.
I understand any criticism I might get. I understand how highly regarded Taylor is. QBs are a dime a dozen, yada yada. There are absolutely zero QBs available and I could easily be convinced Allen is the top dynasty QB. I now own three 1sts in a rebuilding team I took over. Not that is matters much, but the other owner had the 1.03 this year. Hard to predict how he will end up now that he added Pitts and Taylor.
12 team PPR, 1 QB
Traded Taylor and Matt Ryan for Josh Allen and 2022 1st.
I understand any criticism I might get. I understand how highly regarded Taylor is. QBs are a dime a dozen, yada yada. There are absolutely zero QBs available and I could easily be convinced Allen is the top dynasty QB. I now own three 1sts in a rebuilding team I took over. Not that is matters much, but the other owner had the 1.03 this year. Hard to predict how he will end up now that he added Pitts and Taylor.
kutta
Footballguy
Let me try again.
It’s close, but I’ll take the Taylor side. He’s proven to be a top RB and there’s no guarantee that first will turn into anything at this point. Interesting that he now has Ryan and Pitts - could be a good hook up for him for a few years.
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Cjw_55106
Footballguy
kutta
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah I agree. I know it generated a bit of discussion already but Aiyuk as a top 10 WR shouldn't be considered a hot take or something. It's ok to disagree (I just spent a future 1st in our Shark Pool startup to move up and get him) but all you did is say he has a chance. And more or less that you like him. As a general bet we should all be taking the field and betting the under, but here on Earth we have to put *somebody* in our lineups and if we're talking about who *could* be a perennial top 10 WR, Aiyuk seems a really good candidate.Boston said:
I have some concerns about targets shares on that team, but I think it is going to come down to either:
1 - Aiyuk becoming the 1a to Kittle as the 1b (and that is going to swap from week to week) with Deebo a distant 3rd
2 - Aiyuk becoming the pure 1 alpha to something like Kittle as the 2a and Deebo the 2b or Kittle 2 and Deebo 3
3 - Deebo eats more than I would like and Aiyuk is overvalued right now.
I think they want Aiyuk to be the guy and I'm betting on it. For the record I think Darnold bounces back and that in SF this deal isn't crazy, though I would do it in a heartbeat for Aiyuk. But, I also agree that he isn't going to get another chance if he doesn't do it in Carolina. Whereas I do think Aiyuk is more of a lock to be valuable for a while, even if it is something closer to scenario 3 above.
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
How is Cohen a non-factor? We know he is no world beater, but he has value...especially in PPR...
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Well...it sounds like you know all of the risks and what most people will say. I don't like it much at all but I am a firm believer in building my team around RBs. I like Josh Allen a ton and think he is a great piece to have too. This trade will most likely boil down to if you hit on that 1st or not but you will need to hit pretty big for it to be worth it.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Chi Run game with Montgomery, Damien Williams & Tarik Cohen will not support all 3 RB reliable, even in PPR. Monty will get his share of carries, but not as many targets compared to 2020.
Damien Williams (78% catch rate) has proven a reliable Receiver RB just as well as Cohen (76%). Both are UFA next year and neither has commitment from current coaches. Sure, in PPR, Cohen has some value, but compared to Pittman, Evans or a 1st round pick, his is very minor. He will be sharing his role and is not likely to see > 50 targets compared to 2019 where he got > 100 targets.
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Tau837
Footballguy
I was the one who questioned the statement about Aiyuk's long term prospects, but I should clarify, I would take the Aiyuk side in the deal. I like him, I just don't like him as much as @Boston. It has been good discussion, though, so I'm glad I posted my initial response to initiate it.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm sure you have your reasons and know your league mates best but I think this is selling Taylor dirt cheap. If Allen is your target why not keep Taylor and float one of your 1st + for Allen and have a great core going forward. I for one punt QB in 1 QB leagues. Find on the cheap... for example - Ryan Tannehill will produce another top 10 finish this year and can be had for pennies that it cost for Allen.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I think this will end up in your favor personally but Herbert is a known quantity so probably could have got more.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Nothing wrong with paying for your cuff but this does seem a tad high. If late it is ok but I'd really like that to be a 3rd personally but not the worst value and gives you insurance.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
12 team, .5 PPR, 1 QB, and not involved:
1.1 and 22 1st (most likely in the top half of the round)
for
Justin Jefferson
1.1 and 22 1st (most likely in the top half of the round)
for
Justin Jefferson
kutta
Footballguy
I agree. I tried to give two thirds this year but he wanted a second next. I have a very strong and deep team so I’d be very surprised if this was anything before 2.08 or so.
kutta
Footballguy
Jefferson for me. It’s hard to go against a really proven young guy even if it is two early firsts.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
So you tried. I don't have an issue with this. Especially if you are a good team and in win-now mode.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don’t think you’d get Henderson for less. I think he has stand alone value and is not just a handcuff.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
12 Team PPR 1 QB, no involved
Gave 2022 1st, 2023 1st, Devin Singletary, Leviska Shenault
Got Alvin Kamara, Marquez Valdes-Scantling
Gave 2022 1st, 2023 1st, Devin Singletary, Leviska Shenault
Got Alvin Kamara, Marquez Valdes-Scantling
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Don’t mind cashing out on Kamara at that price, but I am a big Shenault fan.
Was offered OBJ for my Jalen Raegor. OBJ is almost assuredly the better “win now” WR, but I already have Godwin, Golladay, ARob, Kupp, Juju. I don’t know that I would be using Raegor -or- OBJ all that much, so I should probably decline and see if Raegor develops. Thoughts?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Assistant coach forum but...
You take deals like this every time because OBJ (don't fool yourself though, your WRs are only okay) is a guy that if he returns to form either helps you win, or is someone you may be able to trade away and get a future first for later in the season.
Good assets are usable in ways other than as a weekly starter.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
12 team ppr. Start 1 QB. Short bench.
Team A gave: 2.12, Damien Williams, S. Shepherd
Team B gave: D. Henderson, Browns def, 2022 3rd, 2022 3rd
Team A gave: 2.12, Damien Williams, S. Shepherd
Team B gave: D. Henderson, Browns def, 2022 3rd, 2022 3rd
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
12 Team, PPR, SF, not involved
Team A got Julio Jones
Team B got LaViska Shenault, 2022 2nd
Team A also has AJ Brown.
Team A got Julio Jones
Team B got LaViska Shenault, 2022 2nd
Team A also has AJ Brown.
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