smbkrypt24
Footballguy
snap accept. Your language makes me believe this is an offer and not accepted trade.
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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (31 Viewers)
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Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
It was accepted, my bad for the wording. At work but wanted to get this in. I accepted, and quite quickly.
Agree. Not often you can get a future 1st when dealing picks this late in a start up.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
All good, just wanted you to know that was a great deal and should be accepted immediately. Only way I don't accept that is if some players you have graded/ranked much higher have fallen to that area.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Thanks! Yeah looking at the players available, and it being SF, I had 3 QBs already and they are players I could either do without, or I find comparable to players I could have taken later on.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
An interesting deal.
i think Thomas value has dropped way too far. I’ll take undervalued Thomas, Anderson and the draft pick.
But it feels fair on paper. Value-wise I can’t fault either side here. So it comes to personal preference & team needs.
Boston
Footballguy
That is a very interesting deal...not to take the cop out but it all depends on two things... do you think Thomas bounces back without Brees and how do you feel about Williams...Williams is the biggest piece because how he does will ultimately decide this one...the fact it is a 14 team league influences this deal because IMO it gives Woods more value and could make the #2 a pick that is a little further down than you'd like...I am not a big Anderson fan but again, the 14 team format gives him some value...this deal is a fair one for both sides but I think I would do it for Williams and Woods because I like Williams a lot and Woods is probably the easiest piece of the deal to project.
I personally like the Williams and Woods side and by a good margin. Woods' shown nothing but constant production and Williams stock this time next year might be through the roof.
I have seen this statement before and I am not really sure why this matters. If he is successful out of the slot putting up great numbers why would things change from this (from a Dallas perspective). They have the personnel to leave him there where he is succeeding and giving them the advantage so why would they go away from that? and if they don't go away from that and Lamb remains successful what is the issue? He still puts up great numbers.
I am just not sure why this is a negative.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
nor am I, but like you said, 14 team league, and the reunion with Darnold makes him a bit more intriguing for this season at least. He should be a favorite target, and targets can be everything for a WR like him.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
If you really need the TE (I like Fant a lot) and are a true Aiyuk believer (I think his hype is a little high) then I could see this but I don't think I trade 1.2 for this.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I like the Julio side here. 3rds aren't much more than dart throws and I would want no part of Lockett on my team.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
There’s potential for that side to come out way up for sure. If Thomas is somehow washed with neither of Slash II or Winston breaking out, if Williams takes over that Denver backfield & if Woods and Stafford develop chemistry, it could certainly break right for team B.
I’m not of there belief that Thomas is washed though, and at least for this season I expect a RBBC in Denver, a team who’s QB situation could limit their offensive success a bit.
So yeah, you could be right, but I see this as pretty even based on the unknowns. This will be an interesting deal to look at next year to evaluate who won it.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Ridgeback
Footballguy
Yeah, I certainly took a chance. If Aiyuk isn't a top 25 WR, then it was a gaffe. I'm comfortable with what will be there at 1.12. My team has a lot of holes currently.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This is very interesting and pretty fair depending on your feelings on the players. I think I might take the shot on Thomas bouncing back at this price but Bobby Trees is a great piece to have included on the other side. You know it is a good trade when you can end up on either side pretty easily.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d expect Gallup to play the outside in his walk year while Lamb remains in the slot. Like you, I don’t know why Dallas would fix something that ain’t broken.
I haven’t seen anything from their beat reporters to indicate they’re changing that, so I have been ranking Lamb as though nothing has changed.
I'm still not sure I’d take Lamb over Cooper in redraft, but that thought is creeping up a little for age & upside of Lamb, assuming he is in the slot.
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
If you have a target you believe in at 1.12 and you are a believer in these 2 guys (and it works out), this could be a haul. It is a risk but I can understand it. I think I might have really taxed for another mid pick like a 2nd or something next year but it could work out. As a Niner fan and Fant truther, I hope it does work out for you. Lol.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh that’s interesting. I never owned Anderson & kind of assumed there was a connection there.
Appreciate this info, as I was kinda looking at him as a later PPR sleeper.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I take Lamb over Cooper all day in dynasty. I probably still lean Cooper over Lamb in redraft though.
rockaction
Footballguy
Because Gallup is a FA after this year and Cooper's out in his contract is after this year for Dallas. He might not be in three-wide sets as often as you think with really good guys to swing coverage like he has now.
That would be my thinking. Look, it's not a tremendous knock on him, but it is something.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m in the “Aiyuk is a future star” camp. His crazy huge catch radius, long speed, route running - and he’s the only legit WR the Niners have. Plus a talented rookie QB in Lance who can get the ball to him & potentially grow with him for years makes Aiyuk a guy I’d love to have on a dynasty roster.
You didn’t get him cheap, but I don’t think he’s a bust candidate either.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh, yeah sorry, in that post I meant in redraft. Corrected my post for clarity.
I don’t think anyone would disagree that Lamb > Cooper in dynasty.
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Cooper's injury history is my only concern and he is already banged up. I surely wouldn't call someone names for taking Lamb first in either place. Cooper (if healthy and that is a big if) probably has a better season but Lamb is probably safer.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Good points for sure. Do you expect Dallas to let both Gallup & Cooper walk after this year?
I’ve looked at AC’s contract & yeah, they could save some $ by not exercising the team option, but will they?
if Cooper is healthy & performing I’d think they’d keep him on the roster. If not, they could make a play for retaining Gallup cheaper.
I have a hard time seeing both those dudes gone next year but it’s certainly possible.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That would be my concern as well. The one year I had AC he was a monster & stayed on the field, but he had some bumps & bruises that season as well.
IIRC every other year he’d missed time with injury, and as you said, he’s already banged up (though reportedly his recovery is on schedule)
rockaction
Footballguy
No, I don't. I expect them to retain one and shift Lamb outside or at least deploy him as the number one guy. We'll have to see how he adjusts. He runs a 4.5, so it's not like he's slow or anything, but he's not a, um, burner (CeeDee pun there). Gallup has been great, according to Matt Harmon of Reception Perception, at running deeper routes and drawing coverage away from the slot. That's one thing to look for. You might have a bit of an Antonio Brown/Juju situation, though Gallup is nowhere near as good or drawing double coverages as much as Brown was. Just same concept.
rockaction
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
wait - I missed the Cam Akers news.
yikes!
Good value for Henderson, but also a nice pull for the new Henderson owner.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He's only had 2 seasons out of 8 in the NFL where he's missed significant time. He's played 16 games in 4 seasons (should be 5 but he was traded in the middle of the 2018 season so only played 15 games).
His injury history is really no worse than most NFL WRs.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I had him in 2019, and he was a delight to own.
I’m betting folks who had him in 2017-2018 have less fond memories of him.
but you’re correct - he wasn’t Fred Taylor. He was productive & healthy in ‘15 & ‘16 too. And last year’s drop-off was obviously due to a QB downgrade.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I have a feeling they let Cooper walk to save the 20 mil and sign Gallup to a cheaper contract but all speculation at this point.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think they only save $14M if they let him walk in 22.
In 23 they’d save 16M & in 24 they’d save 18M.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Yea. I wasn't sure of the exact numbers but that is still a ton for a team that is close to the cap and needs to spend money on defense.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I expect to see a lot of these types of moves in the coming weeks. I feel for Akers owners. Tough luck.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The more I consider this the more I like the 1st.
No way LAR goes into the season with Henderson as their feature back. I just can’t see that happening.
Bell is the most likely fit, IMO. Maybe AP.
regardless of who they bring in, I can’t imagine the Rams don’t bring in a back to share time in that backfield.
ETA: the FBG email mentioned Gurley too - not sure if he’s washed but he’s familiar with the system.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
When I was working the league for a Mahomes deal, the only other potential trade partner was the Akers owner. We had a decent deal on paper but they wouldn’t budge on not including Akers & he was my main target. That old adage holds true that a sometimes the best deals are the ones ya don’t make.
i agree it’s a huge blow to folks who have him. And I really feel for Akers, too - he really came on at the end of the year & it seemed like he was poised for greatness. As has been pointed out, this is a particularly brutal injury for RBs. We have better surgical procedures now than in the past, but it is possible he never recovers his burst fully.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I agree, I think the Rams bring someone like Bell/AP/Gurley. Granted I think that still leaves Henderson as the lead back but I could see it affecting his value.
The fact that it was Superflex and the fact that the pick looks like it will probably be early (and the team I was trading with was trading someone else's pick they had so it wasn't even worsening the pick by giving the other team Henderson) were the clinchers for me to take the deal.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
For $14M a healthy Amari Cooper could be worth holding on to for another year. Plus $6 million is a lot to pay for nothing.
I never have been able to guess these things right, so I can’t really speculate. It may be they have all 3 back next year then let Cooper walk in 2023.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Why not? He was a second round pick and started out last season on fire. He was every bit as productive as Akers was to end the season.
The RBs available to them, including Bell and Peterson, should not be any threat. I think he could be part of a RBBC but will be the lead back in said committee and will be valuable in the passing game.
At this point I wouldn’t trade a first for him either but it could pay off.
rockaction
Footballguy
Minor correction: He was a third round pick and was rumored to have the coaching staff want to keep him away from the Seahawks and 49ers, meaning they weren't as in love with him as those teams were.
Just food for thought.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I am always hesitant about the next man up when that next man couldn’t beat out the guy he lost his job to.
Maybe you’re right, or maybe they bring in a timeshare back. Time will tell. I’m avoiding that backfield in redraft unless I can snag Henderson at a bargain price.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sorry, in context of preseason.
In-season when this happens it gives me confidence that the team has confidence in the backup
so In this context I’ll need to see what the Rams do to address the loss before I put a lot of faith in Henderson.
Sign AP, Gurley, Duke? Ok, I might be higher on Henderson.
trade for Gordon? I’d be a little more hesitant to invest in him
ETA: Rams claiming they’re not looking to add a veteran back. If that holds true, Henderson makes for a very attractive RB2-3 in redraft. Hopefully his ADP stays reasonable.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Maybe I wasn't clear but I don't believe that for a second. Teams don't play "keep away" in the draft if that had no interest in that player to begin with.
