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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (26 Viewers)

That seems like a dramatic overpay for JaWill. Did Gordon get traded today? 

I love me some JaWill - I just think Jones & Henry have more value than that. Again, I assume this is a roster trimming move. Still seems like giving up way too much. 
I can see someone thinking that last year's injury to Henry is the beginning of the end and with the increased usage down the stretch of Dillon (especially at the goal line) that Jones is also on the down swing.  Wanting to get rid of them before they tank like Zeke has seemed to have done.  

I agree an overpay but I could see where someone wants to get something (and Williams is a very ascending player) of value before it's too late. 

 
That seems like a dramatic overpay for JaWill. Did Gordon get traded today? 
To be accurate Gordon is as good as traded since he is not under contract so he's not really a member of Denver as of now.  Read a few days ago he was not likely to return but with him, Penny, Fournette and Rojo still kicking and a whole draft still to come a solid complement could be coming.

The trade made sense to me for both teams as the new Javonte owner is rebuilding and guy getting the older RB's was a solid team that got hot at right time and won the league last year so a very solid contender who I believe made their team  stronger in 2022, at the cost of shortening their window(they now have 4 stud Rb's but all second contract RB's)

But I would say in a vacuum, if I I was in a startup for instance, I'd actually preferJavonte. I got him as a top 6 overall asset and while both those RB's are studs 27/28 year old RBs are year to year for me. Always a chance Javonte could disappoint in or never see a full time bell cowish type role or suffer big time injury. And yes can make a case all players are year to year. But he's a lightly used heading into age 22 season RB in a really good looking offense who looked absolutely incredible the one game he got the backfield to himself. I feel like you can ride him for next 3 years and stand a good chance of cashing out big time, these two olds are just going to lose value every year and stand a better chance of being on waivers wires or out of the league 3 years from now then having any kind of value.

 
to get J. Williams via trade you must overpay now, I overpay today, I know Chubb, Higgins and 2.09 for J.Williams, Kirk, and Rondale Moore but I can't resist .

 
I rather have the pick as I think Amon Ra is a better NFL guy than FF guy and will settle in to the WR2/3 glut of WR's that you can find rather easily.  Hunt is a secondary piece at this point.  He needs something to happen to be an elite option.  Could happen but probably not.   This is a nice move especially if you had a short bench and needed to free up roster spots.  
Quietly Hunt will be 27 at the start of the season and of course limited by Chubb. I agree 100% on Amon Ra so this is easily in favor of the 1.03 imo.

 
4 hours ago, El Floppo said:
Non PPR

I give: Kirk

I get: R Woods, 2023 3rd round rookie/FA pick.

fwiw... I've got: D Adam, Waddle, D Hopkins, Claypool, Cooks, J Meyers, R Gage, Kirk. 
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I like the Woods side regardless. I see him as a tier higher than Kirk (at least). 
this was a no-brainer for me, but then the trade to the Jags (and that nutty pricetag) had me figuring they have big plans for him. so as a younger guy with a big paycheck going to a team with a young QB in need of a WR, I started second guessing it. 

 
this was a no-brainer for me, but then the trade to the Jags (and that nutty pricetag) had me figuring they have big plans for him. so as a younger guy with a big paycheck going to a team with a young QB in need of a WR, I started second guessing it. 
Oh, I took that into account. IF TLaw is the next Manning, sure. But what I've seen so far has been less than inspirational, and what I've seen from Kirk has been pretty mediocre. 

And it's not like Kirk hasn't had chances. Injuries to WRs should have led to his role expanding, & big numbers. And he delivered a whole lot of meh. He was beaten out by a thought to be washed up AJ Green last year. I mean, that's telling. 

I think the Jags overspent by about double on Kirk, and even if they'd paid half of the 74 million base salary, I still would have thought they overspent on a dude who's done basically nothing. 

Gimme the proven Robert Woods who has a proven QB in Stafford in a proven offense like the Rams. 

Sure, Kirk could surprise. But they also just overspent on Engram & Zay Jones, so maybe their talent evaluation isn't exactly the best in the league? And hey - as a Zay Jones & Engram owner, I'd love to be proved wrong here. 

 
Oh, I took that into account. IF TLaw is the next Manning, sure. But what I've seen so far has been less than inspirational, and what I've seen from Kirk has been pretty mediocre. 

And it's not like Kirk hasn't had chances. Injuries to WRs should have led to his role expanding, & big numbers. And he delivered a whole lot of meh. He was beaten out by a thought to be washed up AJ Green last year. I mean, that's telling. 

I think the Jags overspent by about double on Kirk, and even if they'd paid half of the 74 million base salary, I still would have thought they overspent on a dude who's done basically nothing. 

Gimme the proven Robert Woods who has a proven QB in Stafford in a proven offense like the Rams. 

Sure, Kirk could surprise. But they also just overspent on Engram & Zay Jones, so maybe their talent evaluation isn't exactly the best in the league? And hey - as a Zay Jones & Engram owner, I'd love to be proved wrong here. 
stopped second-guessing and pulled the trigger.

the reality is, this a backup for me- so it's really improving my bench a bit and adding a 3rd rounder next year (where there's often some quality in our 5 round draft.

 
stopped second-guessing and pulled the trigger.

the reality is, this a backup for me- so it's really improving my bench a bit and adding a 3rd rounder next year (where there's often some quality in our 5 round draft.
Woods should make for a fine BYE week replacement, or add ammo to a deal if you're shooting for another player & your trade partner needs a WR. 

The only downside to Woods is he's 29, 30 in April. 

 
The only downside to Woods is he's 29, 30 in April.
NOW you tell me.

yeah- that played in to my second-guessing. we'll see- so far he's been underwhelming for me, and Roberts more productive. i've got a good mix of youth and age at the position, so I'm not super worried about only getting a few years of quality production (vs more years of meh production).

 
NOW you tell me.
I mean, I assume everyone has access to the same google.com that I do. :shrug:  

yeah- that played in to my second-guessing. we'll see- so far he's been underwhelming for me, and Roberts more productive. i've got a good mix of youth and age at the position, so I'm not super worried about only getting a few years of quality production (vs more years of meh production).
Based on your roster, you should be fine.

 
that part was a joke. 

thanks for your thoughts on this- definitely helped me unlock the trade button...  and it'll be good to have somebody to blame other than myself when Kirk blows up!
3 things are certain in life: death, taxes, and me being wrong about things I talk about on this forum at least 67% of the time. 

 
FFPC, not involved:

Derrick Henry and Aaron Jones

for

Javonte Williams
This is an interesting trade, and if these teams are constructed like I assume they are I actually like it and think it’s fairly equal. The value is likely on the package side, but to be fair so is nearly all the risk. In a vacuum, give me Javonte. But I think he’s going to be a star. 

 
Guy that sold me Edmonds just sold Chuba for 2.10, which is incredible considering they just signed Foreman. I *suppose* if CMC gets traded there is a path for Chuba to be relevant but if his Edmonds trade was horrible this one was great.
Oof, only place I own Chubba is a CMC team and I plan to chop him.

 
Guy that sold me Edmonds just sold Chuba for 2.10, which is incredible considering they just signed Foreman. I *suppose* if CMC gets traded there is a path for Chuba to be relevant but if his Edmonds trade was horrible this one was great.
That's crazy value for Chuba. 

Even if CMC gets trades, Foreman is the likely beneficiary - Chuba was JAG when given ample opportunity last year. Hell, I'm not even sure he was worthy of JAG designation. He was flat-out mediocre. 

 
I'd have to consider 9-10 months post ACL surgery around kickoff as a downside.  Odds are super high he'll recover fine but could certainly slow him down for a chunk of the season.
Agreed. I used to take ACL recovery for granted, but then the Niners signed McKinnon, who had several setbacks over 2 seasons before finally showing he looked ok....with KC. :doh:  

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
That's crazy value for Chuba. 

Even if CMC gets trades, Foreman is the likely beneficiary - Chuba was JAG when given ample opportunity last year. Hell, I'm not even sure he was worthy of JAG designation. He was flat-out mediocre. 
Well. He carried a few of my teams when I needed him last year. I had an auction redraft team that took the title but I spent 69/200 on auction day on CMC (and 44 on Ridley and still won it all!). I couldn't have done it without him. But yeah volume not so much talent. I assume it would be 1A1B between Foreman and him. With Chuba getting most of the receiving work. I would sell Chuba for a bag of peanuts right now. This is also why you don't cut until the last minute. What if they did trade CMC tomorrow? Chuba would at least be worth a bit more, no? Even if the perceived opportunity boost is a mirage, he could be flipped. As @menobrownsaid above he is cutbait right now for any of my non-CMC teams. And believe me I have shopped the one or two shares I have in that spot and CMC owner doesn't care a bit*.

Fantasymojo put out a tweet yesterday saying something like 12% of SuperFlex leagues had already cut Tom Brady. GD people are stupid and they play in mid/high stakes leagues. 

*Watch him get scooped up in the early 3rd during the ensuing rookie/FA draft though...

 
menobrown said:
I was starting Ameer freaking Abdullah in leagues over him so yea that's a big no on him meeting expectations.
he helped me a ton for a few weeks in the middle there. guess i was winning some bad matchups.

 
Well. He carried a few of my teams when I needed him last year. I had an auction redraft team that took the title but I spent 69/200 on auction day on CMC (and 44 on Ridley and still won it all!). I couldn't have done it without him. But yeah volume not so much talent. I assume it would be 1A1B between Foreman and him. With Chuba getting most of the receiving work. I would sell Chuba for a bag of peanuts right now. This is also why you don't cut until the last minute. What if they did trade CMC tomorrow? Chuba would at least be worth a bit more, no? Even if the perceived opportunity boost is a mirage, he could be flipped. As @menobrownsaid above he is cutbait right now for any of my non-CMC teams. And believe me I have shopped the one or two shares I have in that spot and CMC owner doesn't care a bit*.

Fantasymojo put out a tweet yesterday saying something like 12% of SuperFlex leagues had already cut Tom Brady. GD people are stupid and they play in mid/high stakes leagues. 

*Watch him get scooped up in the early 3rd during the ensuing rookie/FA draft though...
I traded for him to handcuff CMC.

Chubba never scored more than 10-11 points for me. At best he was good for ~50 & a TD last year. He had 1x 100+ game, scored 3 TD all year & was hardly used in the receiving game at all, and to middling effect. 

i don’t doubt you won a league with him. I deeply question whether he was responsible for it in any way, shape or form. 

 
I traded for him to handcuff CMC.

Chubba never scored more than 10-11 points for me. At best he was good for ~50 & a TD last year. He had 1x 100+ game, scored 3 TD all year & was hardly used in the receiving game at all, and to middling effect. 

i don’t doubt you won a league with him. I deeply question whether he was responsible for it in any way, shape or form. 
Yeah every little bit helped...

 
FFPC 1QB not involved (dang it)

Team A gives Sony Michel
Team B gives 7.12

Dude posted message saying Sony for any pick and I didn't get there fast enough.

 
FFPC SuperFlex

I gave Andrews
I got Waddle, Fant

FFPC 1QB

I gave 2023 4th
Menobrown gave Sony Michel
If you have another decent option at TE (other than relying on Fant week 1) I like Waddle and Fant side here. Absolutely love Waddle and I think Fant’s value has dropped more than it should have following the trade. His value will rebound 8 games into 2022 season if I had to guess. 

 
trades are flying now...

12 team Non PPR

I give: R Gage, Gronkowski

I get: T Boyd, T Tremble (TE), 2023 1st round pick (this guy's team is terrible, so it would likely be top 5)

I like Gage quite a bit- and he should get a nice bump, even as the WR3, getting to play with Brady for a year. I think his ceiling is higher than the 700+, 4TDs he;s put up the last couple years... but unclear what that looks like if he's still #3 without Brady. Gronk is a beast- but could be done at any second.

The guy is a new owner and added that he's TB fan and open to negotiation. 

In my mind- Boyd and Gage are a wash (and neither of them would start for me, unless something changes, my WRs: D Adam, Waddle, D Hopkins, Claypool, Cooks, J Meyers, R Gage, R Woods.), so it's Gronk for a top 5 1st rounder next year. I don't even know who Tremble is (Gesicki is my other TE) and would probably drop him to get my roster down for the draft, ... done and done. 

Am I wrong?

Should I see if I could get more out of him? I know he's trading furiously this offseason, so don't want to miss out on that 1st rounder.

 
trades are flying now...

12 team Non PPR

I give: R Gage, Gronkowski

I get: T Boyd, T Tremble (TE), 2023 1st round pick (this guy's team is terrible, so it would likely be top 5)

I like Gage quite a bit- and he should get a nice bump, even as the WR3, getting to play with Brady for a year. I think his ceiling is higher than the 700+, 4TDs he;s put up the last couple years... but unclear what that looks like if he's still #3 without Brady. Gronk is a beast- but could be done at any second.

The guy is a new owner and added that he's TB fan and open to negotiation. 

In my mind- Boyd and Gage are a wash (and neither of them would start for me, unless something changes, my WRs: D Adam, Waddle, D Hopkins, Claypool, Cooks, J Meyers, R Gage, R Woods.), so it's Gronk for a top 5 1st rounder next year. I don't even know who Tremble is (Gesicki is my other TE) and would probably drop him to get my roster down for the draft, ... done and done. 

Am I wrong?

Should I see if I could get more out of him? I know he's trading furiously this offseason, so don't want to miss out on that 1st rounder.
I like that deal. Tremble could be a player. Gage is likely to be better than Boyd in that offense, but who knows - lot of mouths to feed.

Gronk is a stud, but Father Time waits for no man, and big men less than most.

i dealt him last year & wish I’d waited a few more months, but better early than late.

The best piece in this deal, IMO, is that top 5 2023 1st. And since you’re getting that, you win this deal. 

 

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