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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (27 Viewers)

This is a tough spot with limited rosters, but I don't like this trade for you value-wise. Toney might be slightly ahead of both, but I think Kmet is going to start being a TE1 this year.
Thanks for feedback and I'd not argue I lost value and if cuts were not an issue I would not have tried to make the trade but that's what often happens in FFPC, the guy who has to trim his roster is going to have a hard time getting value.  I've already traded off Jalen Hurts and Hunter Henry on this team and I've been making a lot of offers so it's not like I've not actively been trying to clear room. I could have got something for Gallup or Kmet, just was not seeing anything worth it.

I still carry Kmet on another team and do think he can be a TE1 this upcoming year but my feeling right now is it's more situation then talent. Now he just turned 23 so he's got plenty of growth potential, and like I said I'd to liked to have found a way to keep him and still will on another team, but my guess is most years he'll be in that wide range of 10-12 PPG TE's, the super low TE1's that bleed into that TE18'ish range. His situation next year looks target friendly, but I've not really seeing anything special in terms of talent, route running, movement, etc, etc. He's seems more like a young Kyle Rudolph except one who has not shown he's good in the red zone yet.

Gallup I considered to be my WR6. Wrestled with him or Kmet as my last cut or cheap tradeoff piece. I need a backup TE over a WR6 but at this point of the year I believe in trying to not go to far into BPA and Gallup got 1100 yards in just 14 games a few years ago and just has a lot more upside to me then Kmet. But he's also my WR6 who just had ACL surgery in February and that should put him out a chunk up to most of the year.

So to me it boiled down to keep hammering away hoping someone gives me a quality pick for one of them or try to upgrade the health and upside of my WR6.

Toney  IMO has million dollar physical traits and a 10 cent head. I won't argue one bit he could bust out in a really bad way but to a degree I'm looking for a player that either hits or  s hits  because I anitcipate being in this same position next year struggling to make cuts. So I I took an injured WR6 with upside whose health may not enable to get a proper read on him  and IMO replaced him with a healthy WR6 with more upside and the cost was a player I was going to cut or get some below value pick on. Lastly not for nothing and this did not factor in my decision but this is a Tyreek Hill team and it felt good to me to acquire some upside that I think I lost today. I also managed to put Kmet on a not so great looking team instead of cutting him and letting more of a competitor draft him before I could get him back.

Hate tough cuts.

 
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FFPC:

Gave: Gallup and Kmet

Got: Kadarius Toney

I had Gallup vs Kmet as my last roster spot, was heavily leaning on cutting Kmet and I don't dislike him at all but I was just out of space. Gallup was my WR6, figured I'd rather take a shot on turning both into what I view as very high upside WR in Toney vs trying to scrap for pieces for one of them in a cut or trade situation.

I also had a goal to acquire Toney this off-season and had struck out until now.
Nice trade

 
Thanks for feedback and I'd not argue I lost value and if cuts were not an issue I would not have tried to make the trade but that's what often happens in FFPC, the guy who has to trim his roster is going to have a hard time getting value.  I've already traded off Jalen Hurts and Hunter Henry on this team and I've been making a lot of offers so it's not like I've not actively been trying to clear room. I could have got something for Gallup or Kmet, just was not seeing anything worth it.

I still carry Kmet on another team and do think he can be a TE1 this upcoming year but my feeling right now is it's more situation then talent. Now he just turned 23 so he's got plenty of growth potential, and like I said I'd to liked to have found a way to keep him and still will on another team, but my guess is most years he'll be in that wide range of 10-12 PPG TE's, the super low TE1's that bleed into that TE18'ish range. His situation next year looks target friendly, but I've not really seeing anything special in terms of talent, route running, movement, etc, etc. He's seems more like a young Kyle Rudolph except one who has not shown he's good in the red zone yet.

Gallup I considered to be my WR6. Wrestled with him or Kmet as my last cut or cheap tradeoff piece. I need a backup TE over a WR6 but at this point of the year I believe in trying to not go to far into BPA and Gallup got 1100 yards in just 14 games a few years ago and just has a lot more upside to me then Kmet. But he's also my WR6 who just had ACL surgery in February and that should put him out a chunk up to most of the year.

So to me it boiled down to keep hammering away hoping someone gives me a quality pick for one of them or try to upgrade the health and upside of my WR6.

Toney  IMO has million dollar physical traits and a 10 cent head. I won't argue one bit he could bust out in a really bad way but to a degree I'm looking for a player that either hits or  s hits  because I anitcipate being in this same position next year struggling to make cuts. So I I took an injured WR6 with upside whose health may not enable to get a proper read on him  and IMO replaced him with a healthy WR6 with more upside and the cost was a player I was going to cut or get some below value pick on. Lastly not for nothing and this did not factor in my decision but this is a Tyreek Hill team and it felt good to me to acquire some upside that I think I lost today. I also managed to put Kmet on a not so great looking team instead of cutting him and letting more of a competitor draft him before I could get him back.

Hate tough cuts.
That is a totally reasonable explanation. And if you have to make those types of decisions and trades, your team is probably loaded.

 
And that is the main reason I steer clear of SF. I just can’t wrap my head around guys like MM being worth that cost.
The counter is that they are worth next to nothing in non-SF or 2QB leagues. Sure, you can probably still get a decent pick for a guy like Herbert. But why pay up when you can find starters off the waiver wire. 
 

I’ve played in both, and I don’t think I’d ever go back to a 1QB league. Not saying I’m right and you’re wrong, we all have our preferences, just my two cents. 

 
And that is the main reason I steer clear of SF. I just can’t wrap my head around guys like MM being worth that cost.
we’ll just disagree on that point. Starting QBs, even outside the elite, should be worth more than a could of dart throws. Just my opinion of course. The only 1 QB leagues I’m in are 32 team leagues (players available 2x). Those leagues tend to value decent QBs more reasonably imo. Of course you can argue that MM isn’t going to be decent. We’ll see. I have him in all 3 leagues so I’m hopeful. 

 
The counter is that they are worth next to nothing in non-SF or 2QB leagues. Sure, you can probably still get a decent pick for a guy like Herbert. But why pay up when you can find starters off the waiver wire. 
 

I’ve played in both, and I don’t think I’d ever go back to a 1QB league. Not saying I’m right and you’re wrong, we all have our preferences, just my two cents. 


I am totally of the same mindset...I prefer SF...one of our Dynasty Leagues started as a 2 QB and the QBs just had too much value so we switched to SF and never looked back...ST is a nice middle-ground between the 1 and 2 QB leagues.

 
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Because Deebo is worth a bit more than Reek? Especially with the move to Miami. While I like Tua more than most, that’s a clear downgrade. 
I agree it’s a downgrade. 

That said, Hill, IMO, was more valuable than Deebo before that deal.

The downgrade should have made Hill only slightly more valuable, or at worst, equal to Deebo.

And y'all acting like Deebo’s numbers will be the same after a move from JimmyG to Lance. I see JimmyG ~> Lance potentially as much of a downgrade for Deebo as Hill’s move from Mahomes to Tua. Maybe more, if reports of Lance’s struggles are to be believed.

plus there’s word that Deebo isn’t happy with his contract. 

just sayin - I’d think that they should both get a downgrade. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I agree it’s a downgrade. 

That said, Hill, IMO, was more valuable than Deebo before that deal.

The downgrade should have made Hill only slightly more valuable, or at worst, equal to Deebo.

And y'all acting like Deebo’s numbers will be the same after a move from JimmyG to Lance. I see JimmyG ~> Lance potentially as much of a downgrade for Deebo as Hill’s move from Mahomes to Tua. Maybe more, if reports of Lance’s struggles are to be believed.

plus there’s word that Deebo isn’t happy with his contract. 

just sayin - I’d think that they should both get a downgrade. 
I might even prefer Reek to Deebo, but Deebo seems to be worth more to most people. Both will probably get a downgrade this year, I just think Deebo will score more TDs. 

 
Boston said:
I am totally of the same mindset...I prefer SF...one of our Dynasty Leagues started as a 2 QB and the QBs just had too much value so we switched to SF and never looked back...ST is a nice middle-ground between the 1 and 2 QB leagues.
How did you switch from 1QB to SF in a dynasty league without redrafting? Seems like that would shift player values around quite a bit.

 
ghostguy123 said:
FFPC standard

Alvin Kamara

For

Picks 1.08, 1.12, and a 2023 2nd(could be anywhere)


The guy selling Kamara never shopped him around.  I am thinking he could have done better.  Heck I would have paid more.  Oh well

 
How did you switch from 1QB to SF in a dynasty league without redrafting? Seems like that would shift player values around quite a bit.


The easy part was all the Owners were 100% onboard (i.e. no one was selfish, they put the league first) and of the same mindset after year 1 of the league...the value of QBs was just too much and if someone got an injury to that position it was just too devastating because as you can imagine there is zero on the waiver wire and no one was really in a position to trade a QB unless they got a QB back or were vastly overpaid...so going into year 2 we agreed to go to SF in year 3 but kept it as a 2 QB in year 2 so it wasn't too dramatic...real smooth transition and we had no issues. 

 
ghostguy123 said:
FFPC standard

Alvin Kamara

For

Picks 1.08, 1.12, and a 2023 2nd(could be anywhere)


Now is the time to either deal Kamara or be ok to ride him till the end...if you explored all options and this is the best offer than I would take it because if he gets injured or takes a step backwards you won't get something like this again.

 
Yeah - it’s not a bad time to move off of him, and it’s not a horrific deal. Just feels light. Kamara is still the centerpiece of that offense.
I imagine most of the people frequenting this thread dont make the mistake of negotiating with just one team when trading a guy like Kamara, and instead shop the player around.

Everyone assumes a suspension which is baked into his value, even more reason NOT to sell light in MARCH because he might not even get suspended

 
Now is the time to either deal Kamara or be ok to ride him till the end...if you explored all options and this is the best offer than I would take it because if he gets injured or takes a step backwards you won't get something like this again.
He pretty obviously did not explore all options.

He certainly didnt reach out to me, and I have made a couple message board posts that I am looking to win NOW, and even have guys like Ceedee Lamb available in a deal, also other youth, picks.....

I had emailed him like a week or two ago, no reply.  Oh well

 
Also, I think this is a terrible time to trade Kamara.  His value will only increase as you get closer to his 1st game back in action.  Plus as I said, it's possible he might not even get suspensded.

Its MARCH.  Trading a guy in March because it's the best you can do is.......running your team poorly

 
Also, I think this is a terrible time to trade Kamara.  His value will only increase as you get closer to his 1st game back in action.  Plus as I said, it's possible he might not even get suspensded.

Its MARCH.  Trading a guy in March because it's the best you can do is.......running your team poorly


I don't agree with this...Kamara is at a dicey age...he will be 27 in July and at that point anything is possible with a RBs value... and March is before the draft so if you want 2022 picks and want to play it safe you make the move now.

On another note...if the guy did not explore other options that is another story because by no means did he cash in in a big way...that is bad ownership because Kamara is a piece that any win-now team will be interested in...that part is running your team poorly.

 
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I unloaded Kamara just before one of my leagues trade deadline to a win now team. It was rough getting decent value for him because of his lingering injury mid-season. I definitely agree that trading aging vets this time of year is generally a poor play. If not shopped around for something better also a poor play but that happens a lot in many leagues. I’d hang onto him for this price and try to get some different pieces or a 2023 pick instead.

I don’t necessarily agree that his value in this case will increase in season but it definitely could. Suspension?, NO didn’t land a QB upgrade, he turns 27 in July. The needle is pointing down and the possibility of a suspension likely pushed him down below to the level to where it may make more sense to let him stay on your roster than trade him.

 
ghostguy123 said:
FFPC standard

Alvin Kamara

For

Picks 1.08, 1.12, and a 2023 2nd(could be anywhere)
I'd like to trade Kamara on a few teams but I'd only do something like this if I shopped him to death AND had no shot to compete. I need a little more I can sink my teeth into before I'd let him go.

 
I imagine most of the people frequenting this thread dont make the mistake of negotiating with just one team when trading a guy like Kamara, and instead shop the player around.

Everyone assumes a suspension which is baked into his value, even more reason NOT to sell light in MARCH because he might not even get suspended
Exactly.

 
Boston said:
I am totally of the same mindset...I prefer SF...one of our Dynasty Leagues started as a 2 QB and the QBs just had too much value so we switched to SF and never looked back...ST is a nice middle-ground between the 1 and 2 QB leagues.
The key to making SF not be total QB dominant is making sure the scoring system treats QB's like other positions so it's not necessarily a total foregone conclusion that a QB is played in that roster spot.  QB's still make more sense because of their consistency but if the scoring is set up right you can play a different position and not be blown out of the water because the player can score just like a QB.  

I don't think that aspect is touched on much in discussing SF vs 1QB vs 2QB set ups.  I think the scoring set up is the key to really making these formats work evenly.  

 
King of the Jungle said:
And that is the main reason I steer clear of SF. I just can’t wrap my head around guys like MM being worth that cost.
This is usually because the scoring is skewed too much in the QB's favor so you have to start a QB in the flex spot to be competitive.  If you set up the scoring properly (even across positions for like tiers) then the QB isn't as valuable and it helps bring their value back to earth.  Maybe you just haven't played in a SF that is scored properly.  

 
The key to making SF not be total QB dominant is making sure the scoring system treats QB's like other positions so it's not necessarily a total foregone conclusion that a QB is played in that roster spot.  QB's still make more sense because of their consistency but if the scoring is set up right you can play a different position and not be blown out of the water because the player can score just like a QB.  

I don't think that aspect is touched on much in discussing SF vs 1QB vs 2QB set ups.  I think the scoring set up is the key to really making these formats work evenly.  


Agreed...not breaking new ground here but I want all the positions to carry as much equal weight as possible which means there are many different ways to building teams unlike the old days where it was all about the RBs.

 
14 team standard scoring, WR & TE grouped together, can start 4/1, 3/2, 2/3 or 1/4 RB/WR-TE

Team A sent 1.12, 2023 1st (picks 12th this year) & Tyreek Hill

Team B sent 1.01 & 2023 2nd (picks 11th this year)
I get moving on from Hill after the trade but this feels like selling way low.  That is too much for 1.01, especially before we see where he goes.

 
Also, I think this is a terrible time to trade Kamara.  His value will only increase as you get closer to his 1st game back in action.  Plus as I said, it's possible he might not even get suspensded.

Its MARCH.  Trading a guy in March because it's the best you can do is.......running your team poorly
I think its the best time to trade him until there is clarity on a suspension.  Then if it goes to no suspension his value will rise but until then I think his value can only go down.  There will be worry about a suspension and possible draft implications (drafting a RB - not likely but could happen) which would lower value.  

Basically I see his value as going down or staying the same at this point until he is clear of a suspension.  And if a suspension comes down then that even drops his value further.  I see no issue trading now and I think that was a decent return - probably middle of the road.

 
Agreed...not breaking new ground here but I want all the positions to carry as much equal weight as possible which means there are many different ways to building teams unlike the old days where it was all about the RBs.
This is especially true in IDP leagues.  It amazes me that number of IDP leagues where the IDP scoring is an afterthought basically rendering them to be like kickers.  At that point why even do IDP?

 
The key to making SF not be total QB dominant is making sure the scoring system treats QB's like other positions so it's not necessarily a total foregone conclusion that a QB is played in that roster spot.  QB's still make more sense because of their consistency but if the scoring is set up right you can play a different position and not be blown out of the water because the player can score just like a QB.  

I don't think that aspect is touched on much in discussing SF vs 1QB vs 2QB set ups.  I think the scoring set up is the key to really making these formats work evenly.  
Yeah - in my league QB TDs are 6, but yardage is .1/40, so it depresses scoring slightly for QBs. And no bonuses of any sort.

It definitely helps to balance the difference between the haves and have-nots at QB. 

Teams can actually compete by starting a non-QB at that superflex spot, which I think is important in maintaining balance in scoring. Having that option makes it a true Superflex, as opposed to a “start 2 QB” format. 

If it were like standard 6 pt TD, .1/20 QBs would dominate & no one would ever start anything but a QB at SF. 

 
This is especially true in IDP leagues.  It amazes me that number of IDP leagues where the IDP scoring is an afterthought basically rendering them to be like kickers.  At that point why even do IDP?


That surprises me...I have never done IDP but would think those doing it are really all in and would be all over that.

 
This is especially true in IDP leagues.  It amazes me that number of IDP leagues where the IDP scoring is an afterthought basically rendering them to be like kickers.  At that point why even do IDP?
I was so happy to take over my IDP league 15 years ago when the commish tried to pull some shady shenanigans (adjusted scoring 4 weeks after the fact to turn a team’s (mine) win to a loss, the difference between me or his buddy making the playoffs).

It was critical to me to make IDP score on par with offensive players. So I went tackle-heavy format. Linebackers can score 20+, Sacks & Ints score 5 - and they should, since they’re like the touchdowns of the defense. And if it can be scored, we score it. FF, TFL, ATK, 1/2 sack, DFR, etc. and we have 8 offensive positions + K, and 7 defensive positions (2/2/2/1 flex) 

Scores are frequently in the low 200s and the league loves it.

Balance is key. 

 
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That surprises me...I have never done IDP but would think those doing it are really all in and would be all over that.
You’d be amazed at how many “IDP leagues” sort of slapped it in, where they have only a few IDP spots, and low scoring comparatively. I’ve been invited to a few and didn’t join specifically because of the low scoring IDP compared to offensive positions. 

 
You’d be amazed at how many “IDP leagues” sort of slapped it in, where they have only a few IDP spots, and low scoring comparatively. I’ve been invited to a few and didn’t join specifically because of the low scoring IDP compared to offensive positions. 


I don't blame you...it is 2022, no excuses to not have legit scoring...on a sidenote both my leagues got rid of kickers and Defenses awhile back and it has been 100% positive.

 
Yeah - in my league QB TDs are 6, but yardage is .1/40, so it depresses scoring slightly for QBs. And no bonuses of any sort.

It definitely helps to balance the difference between the haves and have-nots at QB. 

Teams can actually compete by starting a non-QB at that superflex spot, which I think is important in maintaining balance in scoring. Having that option makes it a true Superflex, as opposed to a “start 2 QB” format. 

If it were like standard 6 pt TD, .1/20 QBs would dominate & no one would ever start anything but a QB at SF. 
We are 6 pt  all TD, 1 pt/50 yds, 1 pt/15 yds rush, and -3 for turnovers.   The turnovers really are a nice equalizer and reward good QB play.  

 
I don't blame you...it is 2022, no excuses to not have legit scoring...on a sidenote both my leagues got rid of kickers and Defenses awhile back and it has been 100% positive.
My dynasty league ditched kickers & D/ST. I don't mind it at all. 

I've proposed it 2 years in a row in IDP, and they love the randomness of K.  Alas, I am saddled with kickers for eternity. :(  

 
It was critical to me to make IDP score on par with offensive players. So I went tackle-heavy format. Linebackers can score 20+, Sacks & Ints score 5 - and they should, since they’re like the touchdowns of the defense. And if it can be scored, we score it. FF, TFL, ATK, 1/2 sack, DFR, etc. and we have 8 offensive positions + K, and 7 defensive positions (2/2/2/1 flex) 

Scores are frequently in the low 200s and the league loves it.

Balance is key. 


The bolded is also a very underrated part of IDP to make it valuable.  If you are only starting one or two IDP's it doesn't matter what the scoring is like as they are essentially kickers then.  They have no value.  You must have to start enough of them to make them matter.  

We are big play based because we found tackle heavy neutered some positions (rush LB's for one) and we wanted them to be meaningful.  We also wanted IDP's fighting for the top overall scorer and well represented in the top 20.  Big play scoring  really helps.  The downside is that if it's just big for sacks then it becomes all or nothing and the scoring is schizophrenic.  So we ended up smoothing it by lowering the sack pts but adding QB hits and tackle for loss.  All of those occur on a sack but they also occur on a near sack or running play (TFL).  This really helped smooth the scoring without inflating the IDP numbers.  It was a great addition.  

Ok, I guess we ought to bring it back to trading now..  Back to your regularly scheduled programming!

 

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