How was Walker still there at 1.08? Perhaps they should’ve been laughing at themselves for allowing that to happen?
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joey
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Super flex?
even in non-SF, I’ve seen Walker ranked behind Hall and all of the top 5 WRs, so 1.7 can happen. Now throw in a couple of QBs and 1.8 isn’t nuts.
I like jumping up to grab Walker but hopefully that 2023 isn’t projected to be too high.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
joey
Footballguy
3 FFPC trades today, first two in same league:
Gave: 1.9, 3.3, 2023 fourth
Got: 1.6 which was OTC and did it to take Garrett Wilson
Gave: 3.4 and 2.9
Got: 2.1
*end result was I gave up 1.9, 2.9, 3.4 and a 2023 fourth for 1.6(Wilson) and 2.1. I still have a 2.4 and a third so had picks to spare to move up*
Different league:
Gave: Joe Mixon
Got: Kenneth Walker
*it's a win now type of team but Kamara and Mixon were my top two RB's and I wanted to get some younger RB's higher up my depth chart. I also have Penny so have possible insurance if Walker can't take the job this year*
Gave: 1.9, 3.3, 2023 fourth
Got: 1.6 which was OTC and did it to take Garrett Wilson
Gave: 3.4 and 2.9
Got: 2.1
*end result was I gave up 1.9, 2.9, 3.4 and a 2023 fourth for 1.6(Wilson) and 2.1. I still have a 2.4 and a third so had picks to spare to move up*
Different league:
Gave: Joe Mixon
Got: Kenneth Walker
*it's a win now type of team but Kamara and Mixon were my top two RB's and I wanted to get some younger RB's higher up my depth chart. I also have Penny so have possible insurance if Walker can't take the job this year*
Just stop responding to certain poster’s hyperbole about how bad this draft class is. It’s not. London, Wilson, and Williams are 1st round NFL draft picks in any draft class. Olave likely as well, due to how insanely NFL ready he is. Burks and Dotson are borderline 1sts/2nds. And as was previously pointed out, Hall and Walker are 1st and 3rd round dynasty startup picks.
It’s utter nonsense that the 1.12 in 2023 (probably a WR drafted in the 2nd round, just like this year) will hold more value than the top 5-6 this year.
It’s utter nonsense that the 1.12 in 2023 (probably a WR drafted in the 2nd round, just like this year) will hold more value than the top 5-6 this year.
Perhaps I haven’t been paying attention enough, I thought he was essentially the 1.02 in almost every league. I wouldn’t imagine the SF would matter much as I doubt anyone is taking Pickett over him, much less any of the other QB’s.
jm192
Footballguy
First trade: Definitely 1.6.
Second trade: Definitely 2.1
3rd trade: I think I would have stuck with Mixon or asked for more.
jm192
Footballguy
Probably Walker. The 2023 1st could always be better. But a good RB in the hand is worth 2 in the bush sort of thing. Carter feels like a nothing burger at this point. I don't know how to value Mills. I don't play SF, I appreciate the concept that QB's are worth more--I just don't know how you value a guy like Mills. I know a lot of people like him, but I have a hard time thinking Houston is so awful and they're going to not go after an elite QB prospect next year.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Not saying I would do the trade (would need to have a really strong team to even consider), but fwiw, in 8 out of 8 FPC leagues including a SF, Walker went 1.02 in every single one.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Nice! Can't believe you were able to move up that easily; yowser! I kinda like Mixon for Walker as well, particularly on an aging team.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Super flex large roster. (not involved)
J Chase
For
T Lawrence 1.02
J Chase
For
T Lawrence 1.02
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’m guessing that maybe in SuperFlex this is market - but I’m so used to non-SF that my head hurts looking at it though.
joey
Footballguy
there’s no superflex league where Chase isn’t worth more than Lawrence + 1.2, right?!
Man. I play in a 2QB dynasty league, but this one is still tough to swallow for me. Very curious who is taken with the 1.02. I’m assuming Walker?
I do think Lawrence rebounds eventually but he’s still going to struggle this year. This is one where you really have to revisit it in 3 years to really see who “won.” We know Chase is going to continue to ball out. But if the 1.02 is a hit and Trevor becomes a top 7 dynasty QB, it could be a win for both.
Of the 3 rookie drafts I’ve done so far, and the 7 posted in the rookie draft thread (2 are SF), Walker has gone 1.02 eight times. 1.03 in one, and 1.04 in another (neither SF.)
DropKick
Footballguy
DropKick
Footballguy
DropKick
Footballguy
Really like Wilson and the cost to move to 1.06 was surprisingly cheap.menobrown said:
For similar reasons, give me the 2.1 and I'll take the best piece in the deal.
Always been a fan of Mixon's and the offense is operating at a new level. That one might have been tough but I see the influence of long term roster composition.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC SuperFlex
I gave 1.10 OTC, Gabriel Davis, J Robinson, 4.08 ( 25 + 20 +14 + 2 )
I got Godwin, 2023 1st (early IMO), 3.04 ( 30 + 30 + 5 )
Skyy Moore was taken at 1.10, who I have at 23. Very fair trade IMO and now I have three 2023 1sts!! Yay me.
I gave 1.10 OTC, Gabriel Davis, J Robinson, 4.08 ( 25 + 20 +14 + 2 )
I got Godwin, 2023 1st (early IMO), 3.04 ( 30 + 30 + 5 )
Skyy Moore was taken at 1.10, who I have at 23. Very fair trade IMO and now I have three 2023 1sts!! Yay me.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
BTW on this one from earlier:
FFPC SuperFlex
I gave 1.10, Viska, 2023 2nd ( 25 + 8 + 7 )
I got 1.05 OTC took Burks ( 35 )
According to my own numbers I paid a small premium to get Burks. About an early 3rd equivalent. Easy.
FFPC SuperFlex
I gave 1.10, Viska, 2023 2nd ( 25 + 8 + 7 )
I got 1.05 OTC took Burks ( 35 )
According to my own numbers I paid a small premium to get Burks. About an early 3rd equivalent. Easy.
jm192
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC SuperFlex
I gave Albert O
I got 2.06 OTC took Ridder
I have Mariota/Pitts/London and two months ago I paid 3.12 plus a 2023 4th to get Albert O.
I gave Albert O
I got 2.06 OTC took Ridder
I have Mariota/Pitts/London and two months ago I paid 3.12 plus a 2023 4th to get Albert O.
Birdie048
Footballguy
12 Team 1 QB 2 Flex (can start 5 WR) 0.5 PPR / 1.0 PPR TE I am in year 2 of full rebuild / made 2 bad deals (Ridley)
Gave up Den WR Courtland Sutton & 3.07
Received GB TE Robert Tonyan, 2.02 and 2023 2nd (mid-early / they are rebuild also)
Discussed it on the Value Discussion Thread
I have 6 Top ~ 20 picks in 2023
Gave up Den WR Courtland Sutton & 3.07
Received GB TE Robert Tonyan, 2.02 and 2023 2nd (mid-early / they are rebuild also)
Discussed it on the Value Discussion Thread
I have 6 Top ~ 20 picks in 2023
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Other than Hall, yes. An important distinction I’ve drawn several times.FreeBaGeL said:
I believe every back in the 1st round of FF next year (the ones I listed) will be as good as or better than Walker. Bijan & Gibbs are clearly better, and any of Tucker, Tank or Evans seem like better quality prospects than Walker.
Walker is the 02:00 fox right now. Hall’s the 10, but someone already took her home. Now Ff managers are convincing themselves that Walker is a dime, too, but she’s more like a 6.5-7 who’s still there waiting for you to buy her a drink. She’s not Ms Right, but she’s Ms Right Now. She’s nowhere near as hot as Hall, but she’ll give you her number at 1.02, and you can convince yourself she’ll clean up nice.
But she doesn’t live in as nice a house as Hall, with a bad OL, bad QB, and rebuilding team, and she never looked as good as Hall back when you dated in college.
But she’s there, and she’s single, so hey, go ahead and convince yourself that she’s worth the 1.02. Seattle did, so good enough for FF owners. Never mind that her sister Penny showed flashes last year & the team is kind of a dumpster fire.
Maybe it’ll work out. Many people have settled for worse & had long and fulfilling relationships. It could happen here, but if I’ve got a later ‘23 1st and a 2nd & 3rd and 2022 1st to deal, I’d rather use that capital to move up in the ‘23 1st to take Gibbs, Tucker, Tank or Evans rather than get desperate and pay all that for Walker.
To each their own though.
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Boston
Footballguy
Love the team-building context as this often gets left out...I would do this...no guarantees on White but you definitely did not give up much to beef up a weakness.
Boston
Footballguy
Nice deal...you did not give up a "big piece" (1.10 this year is not as valuable as some other years, Viska is in no man's land and if Burks is legit you won't even remember you gave up a #2) to get a potential premium player...not a good use of a nice asset by the other guy...out of curiosity what were the other WRs available?
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rockaction
Footballguy
It's not just one person, though. It's about all of Fantasy Twitter, too. It's getting really annoying because the hype is so great you can't trade out of picks you'd normally be able to trade out of.SayWhat? said:
I'd almost eat my hat if this class was as bad as they say it is and that class as good. It defies logic and conditions (COVID, especially) that dictated that this year should actually be much stronger. And you see it in the draft. This one was deep, if not as big at the tails for talent. Part of the problem fantasy heads have with this draft is that they can't tell because their models can't account for COVID production or lack thereof at the collegiate level.
Anyway, I was stuck with '22 picks because of the hype that I'm not even sure was that worth buying into.
DropKick
Footballguy
Assuming that I understand your valuation system, not sure that you paid a premium... because 40 > 35? I will take one player valued at 35 (and presumably two open roster spots) over three valued at 40 any time.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Another part of the problem is that the 2021 draft class was stacked & somewhat depleted the college ranks.
2 of the 1st round WRs were the 2nd and 3rd best option at OSU behind JSN, who looks far and away to be a better WR than Olave & Wilson, who are nice receivers to be sure. But if JSN came out this year he would very likely have been selected before either.
And the RB & QB class coming in 2023 are hands down better than 2022. Hall was the only rookie RB that would have held his own with the ‘23 backs, provided a 2022 season of good health.
It’s not hyperbole. They’re just better players/superior talent. And the 2023 draft is also deep. So 2022 was deep but weak at the top and the 2023 class is deep and strong at the top.
And it’s not just twitterers, it’s FF writers/analysts, too. Almost all of them are saying the same things. And it’s based on actual on-field production.
Granted, lots can happen between now and then. But Walker, despite his decent landing spot, isn’t as good a RB as any of the top 5 guys coming, and maybe as many as 8-10 in 2023.
You can talk yourself into anything ya like - I won’t stop you. But people have been talking about 2023 since 2021. There’s good reason for it.
Anyone pretending like I’m the only one high on this draft class has their head in the ground.’
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d rather have Chase, but if I needed a QB it’s fair. I wouldn’t say it’s more - Chase is a special talent in a good offense with proven production. That can’t be said yet about TLaw and the 1.02joey said:
rockaction
Footballguy
That's fine. And they could very well be right. I was looking to deflect it off of you.
That said, I'm beginning to think this narrative is hyperbolic at best and possibly just flat wrong. It would defy history and common sense, really, especially given COVID, that you could have claims based off of collegiate production. The FF guys don't like it because none of them can watch film. Like, none. So they can't tell you who is going to be good, and as a result, the class suffers in its evaluation.
I wish I could quantify it, but it strikes me as wrong at first blush, and not just because I'm a contrarian (well, I am that, but for good reason, it seems often).
barackdhouse
Footballguy
At 1.05? It had gone Hall, Walker, London, Wilson, then I took Burks. Then it came off Jamo, Skyy, Olave, and then Watson at 1.09, which is exactly where I have a tier break and one reason I wanted to move off 1.10.
100% agreed. The premium is marginal if at all. I think of it like an ATM fee. But I'm trading quarters for dollars so it is worth it.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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You could address me directly, ya know. My feelings won’t get hurt.SayWhat? said:
I never said the 1.12 would. But if I have a late 2022 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd, and a presumed late 2023 1st, imma try to deal that for a better 2023 1st. Because that better 2023 1st is absolutely likely to be better than Walker.
Those WR you listed are comparable to the 3-5 WR in the ‘23 class, and likely inferior to JSN/Boutte. It’s not hyperbole - go Google the players. Watch some film. Read what analysts have to say about them. I’m still not convinced London can get separation at the pro level. He might be a massive bust at worst, or a possession receiver at median. There’s a chance he’ll be very good, but some of his metrics tell another tale, and there are quite a few industry experts calling this out, along with others on this very forum.
But hey, maybe you were referring to someone else. No idea, because you were so subtle.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
appreciate that. But I’m a grown man, I can stand by my opinions. No need to deflect someone’s else’s passive aggressiveness.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Answer me this, Walker truthers: If Walker came out next year, where would you rank him among these players in PPR:
Bijan Robinson
Gibbs
Evans
Tucker
Bigsby
McLellen
Charbonnet
?
Ahead of any of them?
I’ve got him around McLellen & Charbonnay, myself, well behind the top 5.
Pretty sure I know how @TVT 0 N S T A would answer.
Bijan Robinson
Gibbs
Evans
Tucker
Bigsby
McLellen
Charbonnet
?
Ahead of any of them?
I’ve got him around McLellen & Charbonnay, myself, well behind the top 5.
Pretty sure I know how @TVT 0 N S T A would answer.
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Also, I’ll post your reaction to this message so you don’t have to:
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rockaction
Footballguy
how dare you guys fight on mother's day
what would your mothers say
what would your mothers say
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
E: not worth it.Can I just put this out there? The #######
Also, I’ll post your reaction to this message so you don’t have to:
“
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Guess I don’t get the purpose of the “if Walker were in next years class” hypothetical. He’s not. We know how his season went. We know how he tested. We know where and to whom he was drafted. How highly regarded was Isaiah Spiller heading into 2021 as a dynasty prospect? How’d that work out? Plenty can change in a year. Also, if you think Zach Charbonnet returned to school this coming season because he wanted to win a Pac-12 title (Answer me this, Walker truthers: If Walker came out next year, where would you rank him among these players in PPR:
Bijan Robinson
Gibbs
Evans
Tucker
Bigsby
McLellen
Charbonnet
?
Ahead of any of them?
I’ve got him around McLellen & Charbonnay, myself, well behind the top 5.
Pretty sure I know how @TVT 0 N S T A would answer.
) and get his degree, I’ve got an island to sell you. I’m sure it had nothing to do with what the NFL Advisory Committee was indicating his draft outlook was. Nah.If you want a data point, DFL has Dynasty Cornerstone Rankings (under 25yo players), with six staff members having submitted their rankings. All six had Bijan and Gibbs ahead of Walker. Only 1/6 had Evans above Walker, and nobody else had any other college RB prospects ranked above him. That’s where things are at today when comparing the RBs you referenced.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The question at hand (that started this discussion) was trading a 2022 1.12, 2nd & 3rd + a 2023 1st (presumed late) for the 1.02, to take Walker.Guess I don’t get the purpose of the “if Walker were in next years class” hypothetical. He’s not. We know how his season went. We know how he tested. We know where and to whom he was drafted. How highly regarded was Isaiah Spiller heading into 2021 as a dynasty prospect? How’d that work out? Plenty can change in a year. Also, if you think Zach Charbonnet returned to school this coming season because he wanted to win a Pac-12 title (
If you want a data point, DFL has Dynasty Cornerstone Rankings (under 25yo players), with six staff members having submitted their rankings. All six had Bijan and Gibbs ahead of Walker. Only 1/6 had Evans above Walker, and nobody else had any other college RB prospects ranked above him. That’s where things are at today when comparing the RBs you referenced.
My contention was that it was an overpay, and I’ve further speculated that it would be a better use of that capital to trade up in the ‘23 1st to take one of those other 5 RB.
Naturally that begets a comparison of Walker to one of those top 5 RB one could presumably acquire if one were to trade up.
Just looking at the same question from the other side.
If someone legitimately has Walker in that mix, then ok - I’m off-base and it was a solid trade. If not, then maybe I have a point.
whatever. It’s not a hill I need to die on. I just thought it was an interesting discussion.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
finfansteve
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I keep thinking about this one. Dealt 2022 1.15 in a 16 team league. So at worst gets a ‘23 pick that’s the same or 1 pick “worse” (in arguably a better draft), with 14 chances at improving from that pick. Amazing.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I agree. He is 6th in the order you posted.Pretty sure I know how @TVT 0 N S T A would answer.
At the end of the day, I don't think he has the skill set to be a complete back in the NFL and, as @Hot Sauce Guy mentioned, he will always be looking over his shoulder; whether that be Penny or the next guy. I am not enamored with his landing spot, but who knows... maybe Seattle uses their '23 draft picks (even though that draft class is dogmeat) and bolsters their offensive line, grabs a QB and can rebuild but I think their rebuild is looking like a long process.
I am just cautioning people who are moving into 1.02 and paying ANY '23 capital. You have 5 RBs, 2 QBs, 2 WRs and a TE that seem to be elite prospects. I don't think Walker or London fit that bill.
Dez
Footballguy
I forgot to mention was this year's 1.04 pick (from last years standings) and 2nd lowest scoring team last year.
Projected to be top half of round pick.
