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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (8 Viewers)
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This feels very light for D-Hop to me. Especially with a mid round pick. This might be his value right now but I hate selling someone at their absolute basement. I'd rather hold someone in this situation.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Picks by a landslide unless TE Prem and even then I'd probably take the picks as I'm not a Kmet believer in that offense.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I can see both sides but I'd take Pittman/Herbert easily but I'm higher on Pittman than anyone else in this trade.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Knee-jerk reaction was saying it is veto worthy but I don't know that it is. I have never vetoed a Dynasty trade so that would be hard. If you really hate it, you could let the league vote on it which I normally don't do either.
However.....I would be looking at replacing this guy if it is a normal thing. This is just terrible.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah seems to be the consensus take. I love Pittman and have a ton of him. This is my first share of Jeudy. I think there is still some unwarranted panic out there about him. I also like Ridder to take over the job from Mariota at some point in year 1 and this team needs QBs pretty bad. I don't think Pittman and Jeudy should be considered that far off from each other. I also hope I'm wrong but I'm not sure Matt Ryan can throw a football anymore.
I like K Herbert a bit but in this FFPC SF I have six RBs in front of him right now. Badie is just a throw in.
In a 1QB league I think this is heavily to the Sanders side. Carr is a JAG in 1 QB leagues.
Definitely not veto worthy unless there is collusion. Barring that never veto a trade.
I also have owners that trade like this and it drives me nuts. He grinds me down to extract every ounce of some deal and then gives stuff away to other people. I have figured out that it typically happens when I go to him for some player. He then instantly bumps of that player's value because I want him and grinds me over the coals. However, when there is a player that owner wants he sends out crazy over payments to get his "guy". These type owners are all about their perspective. Very frustrating to deal with.
Many people look at trades from their own perspective and how it affects them. Because of that "unfair" trades will ruin the league because in their mind they are now at a big disadvantage and it has to be overturned because of how it affects their team. As you said, there are many trades that look lopsided at the time of the deal but end up being lopsided the other way.
For this particular case Hall is no guarantee at all. He hasn't played a down in the NFL and could be nothing. Conner you know what he can do in the NFL. The trade is only "bad" because of what people think the return on a the 1.01 pick should be not because of what is actually being traded. Conner for a rookie that is unproven is not a bad deal on it's face and as you said I think it is very likely that Conner outproduces the rookie this year with an outside chance of next year too - even if Hall plays well.
I still think Juedy is more talented then Pittman, just has not worked out that way the first two seasons but I'm valuing players based on what I think they can be so I'd rather have Juedy.
Right…the 1.01 should be able to get a much, much better player than a 27 year-old and oft-injured running back. Saying that this is anywhere close to an equitable trade is nonsense. Even if you are that firm a believer that Conner continues to score 12+ tds for the next couple of years, you still should get at least one nice piece along with Conner thrown in on your side to try and give it a semblance of reasonable. I don’t have an issue with Conner being involved in a trade that’s giving up the 1.01, my issue is that he’s the only piece.
I agree with all of that. But in actual fantasy points for your team the next couple of years the trade is not that imbalanced. The imbalance comes from the "value" everyone places on the 1.01 and the upside of that pick. I agree that was selling extremely low on that 1.01 "value". There was definitely a better deal out there with a little investigation.
But all that being said, it is not a veto worthy trade.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m extremely low on Sanders, and I think Carr moves into top 12 territory with the upgrades to their offense.
i see if as fair in 1-QB leagues and an absolute bargain in SF.
Top 12 territory is being a JAG for QB's. There are a lot of QB's in that range with the ability to get into that top 12 territory.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
While that might be true, I feel similarly about Sanders prospects. It’s a direct correlation. I’m not saying Carr is extremely valuable, I’m saying it’s fair because Sanders is unreliable, injury prone, and honestly just not a great RB in what looks like another RBBC with a running QB who vultures TDs and doesn’t throw to the RB much.
Everyone keeps chasing Sanders 2019 50 receptions, and it’s unlikely gonna happen. So he’s maybe what, a 1K APY back with 20 receptions & 3-6? TD, IF he stays healthy and gives you 12 games?
he’s the Derick Carr of RBs. It’s a fair trade.
They got a 4 round difference in startup ADP with FFPC.
Carr was cut in a league of mine and was drafted back at 3.11 of the rookie draft and there is no way on earth Sanders would have got out of round 2.
Hate on Sanders all you want and love up Carr but their values are not equal. If you believe that strongly in Carr, and I don't, he can be had for less.
I see Sanders as different that that. I think he is a talented RB that has injury/usage concerns because of his coaching staff. When he gets the ball he has been good. I think his upside is much more than Carr but has a lot more risk for sure. I don't think they brought in anybody and he is far better than everyone (except maybe Gainwell) there and will be the main guy (when healthy). Mixing in Gainwell should benefit him to keep him healthy. If he gets 15 touches a game I think he puts up high end RB2 numbers with a few RB1 weeks. I think that has a lot more value than an "approaching top 12 possibly" QB in a 1 QB league.
The range of outcomes though is all over so I don't believe this is an unfair trade but I highly favor the upside of the Sanders side.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That doesn’t mean it’s not a fair deal.
Deals don’t have to be even to be fair. If team Carr needed an upside QB2, and team Sanders had 4 RB ahead of Sanders, then I get it.
But rather than saying Carr could be had for less, I’d suggest Sanders may have been sold for more because there are owners out there who still believe in him.
obviously I’m not one of them.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s a fair evaluation. Again, I don’t disagree. The Carr recipient has the safest floor in the deal, and if it was a roster need acquired from a position of depth, i don’t hate it.
I don’t see Sanders as having RB1 upside, but I agree he’s a talented RB. He just can’t stay on the field. Not sure how that’s his coaches fault though.
Keith R
The Don
Looks like a fair trade for all. With you keeping Burrow, you won't really feel losing Watson while upgrading your long-term WR prospects and getting a 1st rounder on top, so well done
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
12 team ppr QB/2RB/3WR/TE/FL
Team A gave up:
Team A gave up:
- Mahomes, Patrick KCC QB;
- Hill, Kylin GBP RB;
- Allen, Keenan LAC WR
- Carr, Derek LVR QB;
- Sanders, Miles PHI RB;
- Scott, Boston PHI RB;
- Year 2023 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team B
titusbramble
Footballguy
Mahomes side by a mile
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I was not involved in that deal but the guy trading for Sanders was desperate for RB help - personally I would have surely found another way. I think it was a least a free Keenan Allen.
IMO, Mahomes plus some random 3rd down RB > Carr and Sanders
ghostguy123
Footballguy
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
heckmanm
Footballguy
He asked if I was interested, I responded with 2023 1st and asked what else. He said the pick was enough, so who was I to argue?
ETA - FBGs value chart has Kelce at 19 and a mid-1st at 20. Although DTC had Kelce at 34+ and still 20 for the pick, so a great deal on that basis.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
heckmanm
Footballguy
heckmanm
Footballguy
Yeah I traded my 1st this year for Aaron Jones, so feels like I should make a run at it.
Might need to try and move some RB/TE depth (Jones, Montgomery, Barkley, Sanders, Kelce, Goedert, HHenry) to look for QB/WR upgrade.
joey
Footballguy
not worth commenting on it’s so bad.
I don’t think you’ll get that much more than a 2023 1st for Kelce at this point, so I’d say it’s a win/win for the Win Now team getting Kelce and the likely rebuilding team getting the pick. That said, in TE Premium, could probably pull a 2nd or 3rd round pick in addition if the other owner really wanted Kelce to put them over the top.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah it is gross, agree with everyone else on it. I think Keenan is close to the same value as the other side which makes it nearly free Mahomes.
I really don't think that is enough for Kelce. He is probably a "ride him into the sunset" kind of guy for me. Would never do this. If I'm left holding the bag on him I'm not sure I care.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
it was definitely a good deal for the team acquiring Kelce.
If I were in a rebuild I’d ask for at least a 1st & a 2nd, and I’d hope both would be top 5.
But that said, sometimes ya get what ya get, and not everyone wants to work as hard making a trade. We cat-bird these trades all the time - some folks make 1 trade a year.
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dipandglide
Footballguy
Denver fan. JJ is overrated. Talented? Sure. He's a head case. I'd take 60% of Pittman over JJ in dynasty.
dipandglide
Footballguy
It's light until it isn't. People were saying the same thing about Nuk this time last year. You'd be lucky to get a 2nd for Nuk now. There's an art to exiting the stage before their value evaporates.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Draft format is a little weird because its a combined rookie / devy in a 24 team league with 2 player copies (2023 severely depleted) but I think in any case this worked out pretty well, one round in and made two trades so far:
I was at 1.03 with Breece Hall and TreVeyon Henderson already taken. Sent out offers to trade down but would have taken Kenneth Walker if no takers. Three trade offers to guys with 2 picks in the first for a 2 for 1 for the 1.03 and all rejected. Sent offers to the 1.06, 1.07, and 1.08 to trade up to 1.03 for their 2022 first and a 2023 1st, all rejected. Then sent an offer to the 1.14 (dispersal team that may struggle a bit in first year) and they accepted offer for 1.14 + 2023 1st for my 1.03.
We then got to the 1.10 before someone took one of the two Walker copies available and then I offered 1.14 and 3.23 to move up to 1.11, it was accepted and I took Walker.
So basically, traded 1.03 and 3.23 for Walker and a 2023 mid/early 1st.
I was at 1.03 with Breece Hall and TreVeyon Henderson already taken. Sent out offers to trade down but would have taken Kenneth Walker if no takers. Three trade offers to guys with 2 picks in the first for a 2 for 1 for the 1.03 and all rejected. Sent offers to the 1.06, 1.07, and 1.08 to trade up to 1.03 for their 2022 first and a 2023 1st, all rejected. Then sent an offer to the 1.14 (dispersal team that may struggle a bit in first year) and they accepted offer for 1.14 + 2023 1st for my 1.03.
We then got to the 1.10 before someone took one of the two Walker copies available and then I offered 1.14 and 3.23 to move up to 1.11, it was accepted and I took Walker.
So basically, traded 1.03 and 3.23 for Walker and a 2023 mid/early 1st.
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PantherThunder
Footballguy
I agree he is a unicorn that such a huge advantage he is tough to trade, If you are a contending team.
PantherThunder
Footballguy
In SF IDP you probably got a decent cash out for Harris at 2.02 if you didn't need him at RB.
PantherThunder
Footballguy
PantherThunder
Footballguy
I don't mind cashing out a little light. That ~10pts or so against the field is huge though. If you got a contender I would ride him to the end.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
joey
Footballguy
well, Pittman has been about 60% of a WR1 so far, so you might get exactly that as a Pittman owner
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Pittman owner
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I'm interested in your take on Jeudy.
In dynasty start-ups, Pittman is already valued higher than Jeudy but why do you think he's overrated?
Do you think his value increases with the presence of Wilson or would you sell him now?
heckmanm
Footballguy
Fixed my original post to add required TE spot.
Same league, gave David Montgomery (still have Barkley, Jones, Sanders), got Terry McLaurin to line up with Lamb and DJ Moore.
With 3 required WR spots and only 1 required RB, I didn't feel good having Lockett (w/o Russ) as my WR3.
