Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This is a great return. Not sure who could have been on the clock to make it worth this.JoeSteeler said:
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joey
Footballguy
Exactly. Big overpay imo…but I don’t do IDP dynasty so grain of salt.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
déjà vu!
my response in the value topic:
Blockbuster!
I have to say, if someone offered me that in my 1-TE dynasty for Pitts (I already have Pitts & GDavis) I would be very tempted. I think I’m taking Schultz, Davis & the pick here. That you get a relatively young & productive TE in return along with a ‘23 top 6 & an up & coming WR?
I don’t know what the calcs will say, but yeah - this is a rare case where I like the bigger side of the deal. Not by a ton, and if you ask me tomorrow I might say Pitts side. But I’m high on Gabe & Schultz. And ‘23 picks
rockaction
Footballguy
Unless your cupboard was completely bare at LB and you took Devin Lloyd, or the same at DE and you took Aidan Hutchinson, it's still an almost objectively bad deal for the guy getting the pick. Even then, you're not supposed to pick for need. The fourteenth guy in the draft this year is not worth a mid-2023 first right now.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The customization of my new 16 team PPR, SF, full IDP, TE-P + must start 2 TE league continues!
Occurred to me that in this format, TE is preposterously valuable. Others agreed, as I was stymied on attempted deals for Pitts, ‘Muth, Hock, Goeddert, & Knox.
Sent a couple offers to the Schultz owner, this one was accepted:
I gave: Higbee, Tracy Walker, 2023 2nd + 2023 3rd
I received: Dalton Schultz
Went from starting Kmet/Higbee to starting Schultz/Kmet. Got 4+ years younger in the process.
My team apparently picked 1.01 in 2022, but with Fields/Lance at QB that is likely to change this year. So I’d put the picks at 1.08-ish provided those young passers step it up, and I even think it might be a playoff team now, so the picks could be 10-16.
Walker is a stud S, but I had 4 quality S, and he’s also my oldest.
Offered them Higbee, Walker, 2nd/3rd & J.Robinson too (as they’re the ETN shareholder) for Schultz+Z.White & they chose this one. I thought the Robinson deal was stronger, so I’m very happy they accepted this one.
Occurred to me that in this format, TE is preposterously valuable. Others agreed, as I was stymied on attempted deals for Pitts, ‘Muth, Hock, Goeddert, & Knox.
Sent a couple offers to the Schultz owner, this one was accepted:
I gave: Higbee, Tracy Walker, 2023 2nd + 2023 3rd
I received: Dalton Schultz
Went from starting Kmet/Higbee to starting Schultz/Kmet. Got 4+ years younger in the process.
My team apparently picked 1.01 in 2022, but with Fields/Lance at QB that is likely to change this year. So I’d put the picks at 1.08-ish provided those young passers step it up, and I even think it might be a playoff team now, so the picks could be 10-16.
Walker is a stud S, but I had 4 quality S, and he’s also my oldest.
Offered them Higbee, Walker, 2nd/3rd & J.Robinson too (as they’re the ETN shareholder) for Schultz+Z.White & they chose this one. I thought the Robinson deal was stronger, so I’m very happy they accepted this one.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Not under Matt Patricia he wasn't. But that's just a grumble from a guy that had him under Patricia. Anyway, unless DBs have a different scoring system than normal, he's replaceable. Ask @Gallyabout that. You really traded Higbee, a 2023 2nd, and a 2023 3rd for Dalton Schultz, which on its face looks like a good deal for at least this year. Whether Schultz gets extended or finds a new team is the big thing, because while he's KTC's TE7, he seems team-dependent through and through.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Schultz is an upgrade at a hugely valuable position.
It’s full IDP, tackle heavy, so we start 2-3 S & 2-3 CB. There’s no D-Flex, DT & DE are separate positions as well. So that lends a bit more value to Walker, but I definitely feel like safeties are far more replaceable than quality TE In a must-start 2, TE-P league.
Schultz is a gamble, and health is certainly a concern. But i wanted/needed a TE upgrade, and managed to get it done without losing my ‘23 1st.
ETA: I have a feeling Dallas will get an extension done. They lost Cooper, Schultz has been coming on & it just makes sense.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I'm confused here. Did you mean you start five defensive backs combining safety and CB, or do you start five defensive backs, or three defensive backs, or...
Tackle heavy means box safeties (which Walker might be again) vault a bit in value, so I get that.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sorry; there is no D-Flex
we start 11 IDP. DL, DT, LB, S & CB. They’re all like “2-3” or “3-5”. So long as you total 11, you can mix & match.
But because S & CB aren’t lumped together as “DB”,, each position is slightly more valuable.
And yeah, Walker still isn’t worth all that much….not nearly as much as a potential top 8 TE for the next 4-7 years, especially in this format.
I might regret dealing the picks, but I’m not gonna get a Schultz at 23-32 or 33-49 either, so…
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rockaction
Footballguy
You're doing it again.
You keep putting down "DB" when you mean "CB," I think, and due to your starting requirements, it's confusing. But that's neither here nor there. DBs are still not going to mean as much as the other positions. Just asking for future reference. I think I get it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agh. Yes, yes I did.You're doing it again.
You keep putting down "DB" when you mean "CB," I think, and due to your starting requirements, it's confusing. But that's neither here nor there. DBs are still not going to mean as much as the other positions. Just asking for future reference. I think I get it.
this is my 1st day off in 7x 13-14 hour county fair days. I cannot brain.
FIXED!
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
So ya like the deal? I felt like it was a good opening salvo and didn’t expect theM to accept based on what i’d been through trying to get the others.You're doing it again.
You keep putting down "DB" when you mean "CB," I think, and due to your starting requirements, it's confusing. But that's neither here nor there. DBs are still not going to mean as much as the other positions. Just asking for future reference. I think I get it.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I do. I might be maybe hesitant about the 2023 2nd and where it lands, but in a 2 TE requirement league, you made quite the upgrade. I'd have done it.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh yeah, FBG -- in their July dynasty trade value chart -- made the comment about 2023 2nds again. They were sort of unsure about them to the point of saying not to stockpile those picks as anything special. They said the first round looks really strong, though, especially for SuperFlex.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah - and this is a 16 team league, so round 2 starts at 17th overall.
That pick is likely to be 2.07 (23rd overall) at worst based on some of the other rosters I see. And with Schultz in the fold likely even worse since I expect to be a playoff team, provided my QBs step up. Last year it was basically a 1-QB team in SF. Death sentence. .
even my love for the 2023 draft ends around ~13-15, depending on how the 2022 college season pans out.
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dipandglide
Footballguy
12 team, superflex, ppr
Gave: DJ Moore, Spiller, Irv Smith
Got: Kittle, CEH
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It’s rare I get offers in my inbox that I want to snap accept. This was one of those times.
Kittle and Moore are a wash. I prefer Moore gun to head. CEH is someone I’ve been buying low on during the off-season. He’s a lock RB2 in PPR with upside. I’ll take his upside over Spiller/Irv all day. Thoughts?
Gave: DJ Moore, Spiller, Irv Smith
Got: Kittle, CEH
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It’s rare I get offers in my inbox that I want to snap accept. This was one of those times.
Kittle and Moore are a wash. I prefer Moore gun to head. CEH is someone I’ve been buying low on during the off-season. He’s a lock RB2 in PPR with upside. I’ll take his upside over Spiller/Irv all day. Thoughts?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Has CEH been a “lock RB2” during his career so far? I get there’s upside there but so far that upside hasn’t shown through outside of maybe a game or two very early on. I was very high on him but he looks like a doll playing amongst men on the field.
Id take the other side as I also have some apprehension on Kittle going forward and wouldn’t be shocked to see Irv Smith close that gap.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I have Kittle on one of my teams and I'm not sure if I can consider him a stud TE anymore - he's constantly banged up and I I have some apprehensions with Lance under center that his numbers will go down. I may be higher on Irv Smith than some but in my opinion Smith has a great chance to end the season within a handful of points away from Kittle if not ahead.
jwsbowler
Footballguy
Same contract dynasty I posted before:
Team 1: gave Cooper - AJ Brown
Team 2: gave Evans - Diggs
The only thing with the contracts is Brown has 2 years, the other 3 are at 3 years. IMO, I like the Evans - Diggs side if I was in it now to win... I have them projected a bit higher this year.
Team 1: gave Cooper - AJ Brown
Team 2: gave Evans - Diggs
The only thing with the contracts is Brown has 2 years, the other 3 are at 3 years. IMO, I like the Evans - Diggs side if I was in it now to win... I have them projected a bit higher this year.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d be on that side only if I were a win-now team in a TE-P league. Kittle is going through a QB change at 29, and the way he plays leads to missing time.
Whoops - ETA spiller, not Singletary. Doh!
If not TE-P I’d probably hold as the Spiller/Moore side. Feel like DJM is a QB away from being a top 10 WR. Maybe top 5.
I’m out on CEH. KC looks like a 3-headed monster with CEH chopping up touches with McKinnon while RoJo runs between the tackles and at the stripe.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
IMO you won this by a sizable margin.
The only hitch is age, and AJB being youthful. But since his contract is shorter that’s kind of a wash.
Evans / Diggs should be more productive.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I'd have to be almost sure this was a top 6 pick to consider it. I feel Schultz could be a little flash in the pan and I'm not as high on Davis as many are. Plus, I feel Pitts could be generational. Nothing else you get there is most likely. It is a decent haul though and if comes in as a top 4 pick, I'd be close.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I'd take the Kittle/CEH side most likely because I'm not as high on Moore as others. I do like Smith and liked Spiller a lot more before the draft. Kittle's health isn't awesome with the way he plays and CEH really has been a turd but I think I lean that way personally. It is close and if I liked Moore a little more, I'd have taken that side for sure.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I'm a Niner fan and am high on Smith like you are. I feel with injuries you could be right here. Spiller and Moore just don't do a ton for me as I have a mental block on Moore for some reason. I don't know why. I'd lean towards Kittle/CEH slightly but I could flip flop on this one all year.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I feel this is Evans/Diggs and not close. Cooper lands in Clevaland with Watson missing maybe the entire year, plus he has been crazy inconsistent his entire career. AJB is now in Philly who is inept in the passing game plus he has 1 less year on his deal.
Diggs just got re-upped by Buffalo and plays with one of the best QBs in the league for a few more years. Evans is always a top 10 WR and got TB12 back. So maybe he drops off when they have to go to a new QB but that isn't enough to make me even think about the other side fondly here.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I believe he said Spiller and not SIngletary. If it was Singletary, then it would definitely be easy to take that side for sure.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
dipandglide
Footballguy
CEH has been injured, no? He's had a decent floor in PPR when healthy. I hope you're wrong
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Allegedly felt some residual pain from surgery. But he also got hurt (leg/groin?) and didn’t play well after that either.CEH has been injured, no? He's had a decent floor in PPR when healthy. I hope you're wrong
He had a 2-game stretch where he blew up, after which I sold him for a ‘23 1st (my own, which should be a 1.01) and behind one of the league’s best run blocking OL he was a plodding JAG, who couldn’t push it in at the stripe, couldn’t be trusted in short yardage, lacked burst & vision, and incomprehensibly kept trying to bust runs to the outside, so he’d pick up 1/2 a yard despite running 12 yards.
And now RoJo is there to steal the early down & GL work, and McKinnon is there to poach some receptions.
I have very serious doubts that CEH will deliver RB2 value in 2022, barring injury.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I mean he has missed games and maybe played some injured but personally I think he is what he is at this point. He does have upside, so you may be right.CEH has been injured, no? He's had a decent floor in PPR when healthy. I hope you're wrong
dipandglide
Footballguy
Didn't Rojo get paid the minimum? That's hardly an endorsement. I'm more worried about McKinnon than Rojo due to him stealing receptions.
CEH storyline is one of my favorites heading into 2022.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No. RoJo got paid $1.5M
rookie minimum is $800k
You should be worried about CEH in general because after a couple of seasons CEH has proved to be an entirely mediocre, fragile plodder to the point that Reid doesn’t use him In short yardage & may use him less frequently in the receiving game.
So he lacks value in standard and PPR leagues.
Is there a chance I’m wrong about CEH? Sure - definitely a chance. But I’ve watched a lot of his play. He’s slower than Jones & way less powerful. Reid made signing Jones a priority this off-season.
Again, barring injury to RoJo,, I believe CEH will at best be a weekly flex play, and maybe not even that.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Ahh. Rojo is making the same as Sony and Darrell. Those guys are back ups.
Sorry but I ain't seeing this monter role you're carving out for Rojo unless CEH gets hurt. Time will tell!
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s still not veteran minimum. You said something incorrect & based a point on it, but I guess shifting the goalposts works too.
I didn’t say a monster role. I said what everyone is saying, including the Chiefs. RoJo is the presumed early down back.
I’m simply drawing inference from those things. It might not be a “monster role” but RoJo will be plenty valuable as the presumed RZ / short yardage guy. And recent articles have quoted RoJo & beat writers observing his usage in the passing game in camp, which would further impact CEH.
I’m not predicting a massive feature back role from RoJo. I’m predicting a shrinking, barely FF usable role for CEH.
I believe he was a mistake pick by the chiefs who’s failed to earn touches, and see no reason that won’t continue.
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rockaction
Footballguy
That's about a round better than going market rate. Not door-busting, but pretty good all told.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ah - see, that’s what I’d guessed. And I’m betting a lot of Kmet owners aren’t selling since his hype has been rising.
rockaction
Footballguy
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
12 team ppr. 1 QB.
different leagues
Gave: 2.05, Hunt
Received: 1.10
Gave: Barkley
Received: Tua, 2.06, 2023 1, 2023 2, 2023 3
Gave: 1.10, 2023 2nd (early), 2023 2nd (early), 2023 3rd (early)
Received: 2023 1st (mid-early)
different leagues
Gave: 2.05, Hunt
Received: 1.10
Gave: Barkley
Received: Tua, 2.06, 2023 1, 2023 2, 2023 3
Gave: 1.10, 2023 2nd (early), 2023 2nd (early), 2023 3rd (early)
Received: 2023 1st (mid-early)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
What about 2020? He was the same plodder then without any extreme weight loss.
Also if he lost all that weight, why was he still slow?
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I like the 1st one for sure. I'd probably take that for Barkley if I wasn't trying to win now but I do think he could have a big year. I do think paid a lot for that 23 1st though. Especially not knowing where it is. Not sure I'm a huge fan of that move but get it and have no problem swinging for the fences.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I totally agree with you here. CEH is not someone I'd be putting any value in this year. He will be lucky to be flex worthy. He just doesn't have the look of anything close to a 1st round pick. To think....they took him over Taylor.
