****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (95 Viewers)

[Jonesin For Some Football]

FFPC 1QB

I gave 1.12
I got Jameson Williams

No idea why people do this. Why even draft him last year?

Furthermore, was listening to a dynasty podcast the other week and it was talking about collating draft picks and getting liquid so you can make moves in season. The two guys said “Jameson Williams yes trade away for a first, instant re-roll”. I was just like why ??? You’ve spent a mid to late first on him, know he won’t play, he’s got fit, flashed, why would you do that it makes no sense ?? I tweeted both of them asking and neither replied

Flashed? Not sure about that. If you liked him enough last year to take him in the top 7 or so, there’s probably no reason to move him for a 23 1st unless you need a RB.

I agree as I would hold and would have drafted him higher but due to his injury and ASB being there, he did go 1.12 in our draft last year so some people like kicking the assets down the road if they don't think he will play. I would hold as I think his value only grows but understand the argument a little. I would say that this definitely shouldn't be done before at least the NFL draft.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

and some of you are saying Diontae is better?.

Note: I did not. I merely said he’s present.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Don't understand the hype for Pickens. I'd be selling in a heartbeat at the prices some of you are talking about.

Guy who has him in one of my leagues told me he values him as a top 12 dynasty WR; I'd think a lot of owners are thinking that way after he flashed in his first year with average to poor QB play.

The problem is there's like 30 WRs in the top 12.

This is an all-time great FF quote.

Bravo.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

FFPC, 1 QB

Gave: 2.01, 2.11
Got: Javonte Williams

Little risky bc the injury but could pay off if he regains some of his old form.

I wouldn't take that for J-Will. I think that was a good move for you. Even in a deep draft, you aren't going to get his talent at this picks in the 2nd.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

FFPC, 1 QB
Gave: Kmet, 2.05
Got: Goedert

I have Goedert on full tier above as a set it and forget it TE (in TE premium) whereas Kmet might eventually get there but I’m not into waiting to see

Easily Goedert. Especially as long as Kmet plays on that inept passing offense in Chicago.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Easily Goedert. Especially as long as Kmet plays on that inept passing offense in Chicago.

It was becoming less so as Fields developed, and before the Mooney injury. The RZ targets were nice, too.

I’m on the Goedart side too, but if I could get Kmet at a reasonable price I’d be a buyer. I think he has a bright future.

 

[Boston]

Agree with the pro-Pickens crowd...the kid looks like the prototype of today's WR...6'3"-200 lbs and an athletic freak...it wasn't long ago that 52-801-4 & 1 rushing TD would be considered an outstanding rookie year (i.e. people are becoming spoiled)...the fact he did that with Trubisky and a rookie QB (who I think will be a solid QB) makes it even more impressive...from an eye test point of view it is tough not to get excited about his future.

The fact he did that, mainly the yardage, on 84 targets is pretty impressive to me period. To put that in perspective he had 63 targets less then Diontae and only 81 less yards and 4 MORETD's-and some of you are saying Diontae is better?.. Drake London needed 33 more targets to surpass Pickens by 65.

Everything about him was top notch from a per target angle. He's needs a lot more targets to enhance his value but between his and PIckens growth, opening up of the offense and considering he was 21 playing his first year after an ACL tear it's hard to not see a lot of growth.

Agreed…this is a tangent but there seems to be too much striving for perfection in Dynasty these daye…too many Owners get focused in on every negative…almost every player will be sharing some sort of target-load and not everyone will be playing with Joe Burrow…if you are basing every prospect on being the next Justin Jefferson or Stephon Diggs where everything aligns perfectly you will never be happy (not you…speaking generally).

 

[menobrown]

Agreed…this is a tangent but there seems to be too much striving for perfection in Dynasty these daye…too many Owners get focused in on every negative…almost every player will be sharing some sort of target-load and not everyone will be playing with Joe Burrow…if you are basing every prospect on being the next Justin Jefferson or Stefan Diggs where everything aligns perfectly you will never be happy (not you…speaking generally

Well said and a recent comment on a Devonta Smith trade had me thinking something really similar.

 

[Buckna]

FFPC, 1 QB

Gave: 2.01, 2.11
Got: Javonte Williams

Little risky bc the injury but could pay off if he regains some of his old form.

To add another datapoint, ADP is less than perfect this time of year but Javonte with the knee injury is being drafted in between the 1.05 & 1.06 per DLF so I consider this a steal. 2.01 + 2.11 might get you up to what the 1.09 or 1.10 trading up in most leagues?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Agree with the pro-Pickens crowd...the kid looks like the prototype of today's WR...6'3"-200 lbs and an athletic freak...it wasn't long ago that 52-801-4 & 1 rushing TD would be considered an outstanding rookie year (i.e. people are becoming spoiled)...the fact he did that with Trubisky and a rookie QB (who I think will be a solid QB) makes it even more impressive...from an eye test point of view it is tough not to get excited about his future.

The fact he did that, mainly the yardage, on 84 targets is pretty impressive to me period. To put that in perspective he had 63 targets less then Diontae and only 81 less yards and 4 MORETD's-and some of you are saying Diontae is better?.. Drake London needed 33 more targets to surpass Pickens by 65.

Everything about him was top notch from a per target angle. He's needs a lot more targets to enhance his value but between his and PIckens growth, opening up of the offense and considering he was 21 playing his first year after an ACL tear it's hard to not see a lot of growth.

Agreed…this is a tangent but there seems to be too much striving for perfection in Dynasty these daye…too many Owners get focused in on every negative…almost every player will be sharing some sort of target-load and not everyone will be playing with Joe Burrow…if you are basing every prospect on being the next Justin Jefferson or Stephon Diggs where everything aligns perfectly you will never be happy (not you…speaking generally).

I don’t disagree with this, but rather than “focusing on the negative” I think it’s important to see the big picture when evaluating player value.

I see examples of the negative, and also way too many Pollyanna views of players. I’m guilty of it myself of course - we can all get about certain players.

In the “dynasty value” or “dynasty trades” topics it would seem prudent to discuss both positive & negative aspects of player potential, especially relative to the trade value being assigned to that player.

In Pickens case, there are very real barriers to his ascension to FF WR1 status. Is it possible for him to achieve that? Of course. Is it likely? I’m on the fence. And that’s ok. It’s also ok if someone is a true believer. And it’s also ok if someone is a doubter, or somewhere in between.

What matters for this topic is determining what’s fair to pay for a player with a realistic evaluation of upside. Paying a WR1 price for Pickens might not be the best value because he may not get there.

Just saying, if any topic is important to acknowledge the negatives, shouldn’t it be this one? Provided they’re backed up with sound observation/reasoning, I think it’s a critical aspect to be….well, critical.

 

[Boston]

Agree with the pro-Pickens crowd...the kid looks like the prototype of today's WR...6'3"-200 lbs and an athletic freak...it wasn't long ago that 52-801-4 & 1 rushing TD would be considered an outstanding rookie year (i.e. people are becoming spoiled)...the fact he did that with Trubisky and a rookie QB (who I think will be a solid QB) makes it even more impressive...from an eye test point of view it is tough not to get excited about his future.

The fact he did that, mainly the yardage, on 84 targets is pretty impressive to me period. To put that in perspective he had 63 targets less then Diontae and only 81 less yards and 4 MORETD's-and some of you are saying Diontae is better?.. Drake London needed 33 more targets to surpass Pickens by 65.

Everything about him was top notch from a per target angle. He's needs a lot more targets to enhance his value but between his and PIckens growth, opening up of the offense and considering he was 21 playing his first year after an ACL tear it's hard to not see a lot of growth.

Agreed…this is a tangent but there seems to be too much striving for perfection in Dynasty these daye…too many Owners get focused in on every negative…almost every player will be sharing some sort of target-load and not everyone will be playing with Joe Burrow…if you are basing every prospect on being the next Justin Jefferson or Stephon Diggs where everything aligns perfectly you will never be happy (not you…speaking generally).

I don’t disagree with this, but rather than “focusing on the negative” I think it’s important to see the big picture when evaluating player value.

I see examples of the negative, and also way too many Pollyanna views of players. I’m guilty of it myself of course - we can all get about certain players.

In the “dynasty value” or “dynasty trades” topics it would seem prudent to discuss both positive & negative aspects of player potential, especially relative to the trade value being assigned to that player.

In Pickens case, there are very real barriers to his ascension to FF WR1 status. Is it possible for him to achieve that? Of course. Is it likely? I’m on the fence. And that’s ok. It’s also ok if someone is a true believer. And it’s also ok if someone is a doubter, or somewhere in between.

What matters for this topic is determining what’s fair to pay for a player with a realistic evaluation of upside. Paying a WR1 price for Pickens might not be the best value because he may not get there.

Just saying, if any topic is important to acknowledge the negatives, shouldn’t it be this one? Provided they’re backed up with sound observation/reasoning, I think it’s a critical aspect to be….well, critical.

i don’t disagree with most of this…I am 100% about looking at upside/downside, if you don’t understand downside scenarios you are asking for trouble…my point is a general one, not so much about Pickens…if you are looking for perfection you will always be looking.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

if you are looking for perfection you will always be looking.

concur

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Easily Goedert. Especially as long as Kmet plays on that inept passing offense in Chicago.

It was becoming less so as Fields developed, and before the Mooney injury. The RZ targets were nice, too.

I’m on the Goedart side too, but if I could get Kmet at a reasonable price I’d be a buyer. I think he has a bright future.

I don't disagree with you there but even if they make some improvements (they have the most cap space to sign free agents too) they won't be on the same level as the Eagles. I would say I like Kmet too and would be a buyer at the right price. I am just really high on Goedert and was even before Ertz was moved.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Easily Goedert. Especially as long as Kmet plays on that inept passing offense in Chicago.

It was becoming less so as Fields developed, and before the Mooney injury. The RZ targets were nice, too.

I’m on the Goedart side too, but if I could get Kmet at a reasonable price I’d be a buyer. I think he has a bright future.

I don't disagree with you there but even if they make some improvements (they have the most cap space to sign free agents too) they won't be on the same level as the Eagles. I would say I like Kmet too and would be a buyer at the right price. I am just really high on Goedert and was even before Ertz was moved.

Again, I don’t disagree. But one could also posit that the Eagles have many more weapons besides, Gogurt while Kmet is clearly the Bears best receive behind Darnell Mooney.

 

[Ziggs]

I got Pickens at 1.12 last year and I viewed him similar to Williams in that he would need a redshirt year coming off injury. I just can't see giving up on him even if someone offered me 1.08 this year to pick up a slot receiver or backup RB with potential who doesn't have an NFL team yet. Maybe after the draft things will settle in a bit but I don't think we'll see a lot of trades involving Pickens with where current owners value him compared to non owners. So the question is, what would it take to pluck him from my roster? 1.03 right now without knowing current wr landing spots.

 

[ghostguy123]

I got Pickens at 1.12 last year and I viewed him similar to Williams in that he would need a redshirt year coming off injury. I just can't see giving up on him even if someone offered me 1.08 this year to pick up a slot receiver or backup RB with potential who doesn't have an NFL team yet. Maybe after the draft things will settle in a bit but I don't think we'll see a lot of trades involving Pickens with where current owners value him compared to non owners. So the question is, what would it take to pluck him from my roster? 1.03 right now without knowing current wr landing spots.

So why was this 2023 class so highly touted? Seriously I have never seen a class as highly touted as this one, and now it's just like any ol regular class

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Easily Goedert. Especially as long as Kmet plays on that inept passing offense in Chicago.

It was becoming less so as Fields developed, and before the Mooney injury. The RZ targets were nice, too.

I’m on the Goedart side too, but if I could get Kmet at a reasonable price I’d be a buyer. I think he has a bright future.

I don't disagree with you there but even if they make some improvements (they have the most cap space to sign free agents too) they won't be on the same level as the Eagles. I would say I like Kmet too and would be a buyer at the right price. I am just really high on Goedert and was even before Ertz was moved.

Again, I don’t disagree. But one could also posit that the Eagles have many more weapons besides, Gogurt while Kmet is clearly the Bears best receive behind Darnell Mooney.

That is very true but I would bet the Bears either sign (with their 90 mil in cap space) or draft another weapon and then they are both #3 options. The Eagles will definitely score more though. Part of why I hate making moves until Free Agency/Draft unless I really like my side.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I got Pickens at 1.12 last year and I viewed him similar to Williams in that he would need a redshirt year coming off injury. I just can't see giving up on him even if someone offered me 1.08 this year to pick up a slot receiver or backup RB with potential who doesn't have an NFL team yet. Maybe after the draft things will settle in a bit but I don't think we'll see a lot of trades involving Pickens with where current owners value him compared to non owners. So the question is, what would it take to pluck him from my roster? 1.03 right now without knowing current wr landing spots.

So why was this 2023 class so highly touted? Seriously I have never seen a class as highly touted as this one, and now it's just like any ol regular class

Click bait, social media's increasing prevalence, etc. Everything is the worst or the best. No in between.

 

[joey]

I drafted Pickens in a “late” rookie draft last year (mid-August) at the 1.8. I’d certainly need more than that to trade him away AND I’d need to learn more about the Big 3 WRs in this rookie class and where they get drafted an by whom to even say if I’d trade him for the 1.3-1.5 this year.

 

[jm192]

I like Pickens. I would trade him for 1.03 so fast all of our heads would spin.

 

[joey]

I like Pickens. I would trade him for 1.03 so fast all of our heads would spin.

Who are your top 3? Well, after Bijan, I assume.
thing is, the league where I hold Pickens, I NEED WRs and am more than set at RB, so I NEED zone of the top 3 WRs to definitely be better than Pickens. I watch ZERO college football and depend 100% on the opinions and rankings of others, so love hearing what others think of this years top 3 WRs and how they stack up to a player like Pickens.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I got Pickens at 1.12 last year and I viewed him similar to Williams in that he would need a redshirt year coming off injury. I just can't see giving up on him even if someone offered me 1.08 this year to pick up a slot receiver or backup RB with potential who doesn't have an NFL team yet. Maybe after the draft things will settle in a bit but I don't think we'll see a lot of trades involving Pickens with where current owners value him compared to non owners. So the question is, what would it take to pluck him from my roster? 1.03 right now without knowing current wr landing spots.

So why was this 2023 class so highly touted? Seriously I have never seen a class as highly touted as this one, and now it's just like any ol regular class

Incredible depth at RB, a potential generational talent at 1.01, as many as 4 1st round QBs, one a Heisman winner, and a strong TE class, plus an elite tier of 3-4 WR + as many as 8-10 FF viable WR behind them, depending on landing spot.

And ya know what? It still is that.

We’re just at the part of the post-season/off-season where people start trashing a draft class that hasn’t been to the combine, and haven't been drafted yet.

Welcome to Jan 31st. Hot take season.


Having watched a ton of the top ~25 projected offensive picks, it’s an impressive class. And deep.

 

[jm192]

I like Pickens. I would trade him for 1.03 so fast all of our heads would spin.

Who are your top 3? Well, after Bijan, I assume.
thing is, the league where I hold Pickens, I NEED WRs and am more than set at RB, so I NEED zone of the top 3 WRs to definitely be better than Pickens. I watch ZERO college football and depend 100% on the opinions and rankings of others, so love hearing what others think of this years top 3 WRs and how they stack up to a player like Pickens.

Yeah.

A lot of the ordering will come down to draft capital, and to a lesser extent, landing spot.

Gibbs will probably go #2 in a ton of drafts. Though, JSN is a special talent and I wouldn't blame someone for taking him at 2. I think JSN would have had a case for the 1st receiver taken in the 2022 draft.

Probably Addison at 4. I think he's a special talent. I think he's up there with guys like Wilson and Olave in this year's class.

Quentin Johnston at 5. On tape he looks electric with the ball in his hands. Most of his damage was done against Big 12 guys, and he disappeared vs Georgia. I'm really interested in his combine or Pro-day. Today, I would tell you I want him over Pickens

I think Zach Evans, Sean Tucker and Zach Charbonnet all wind up with Day 2 draft Capital and wind up in fantasy relevant spots.

There are several other really nice RB's that will go later due to the depth of the class.

 

[jm192]

I got Pickens at 1.12 last year and I viewed him similar to Williams in that he would need a redshirt year coming off injury. I just can't see giving up on him even if someone offered me 1.08 this year to pick up a slot receiver or backup RB with potential who doesn't have an NFL team yet. Maybe after the draft things will settle in a bit but I don't think we'll see a lot of trades involving Pickens with where current owners value him compared to non owners. So the question is, what would it take to pluck him from my roster? 1.03 right now without knowing current wr landing spots.

People say Slot receiver like it's the Fantasy Football equivalent of Mud Blood from Harry Potter.

Kupp plays a ton of out of the slot.
ARSB plays a ton out of the slot.
Lamb...plays a ton of out of the slot.

I think we've conditioned ourselves to this notion that slot receivers can't be big fantasy producers. And in the past, maybe that was the case. In 2023, finding the next slot guy seems like a worth while venture.

I assume in this case, we're talking guys like Downs and Flowers. And that's probably a tougher comparison than say Pickens vs JSN or Pickens vs Addison.

That being said, I think we'll see JSN and Addison out of the slot a lot as pros. And I think they'll be very productive fantasy football assets.

 

[joey]

I like Pickens. I would trade him for 1.03 so fast all of our heads would spin.

Who are your top 3? Well, after Bijan, I assume.
thing is, the league where I hold Pickens, I NEED WRs and am more than set at RB, so I NEED zone of the top 3 WRs to definitely be better than Pickens. I watch ZERO college football and depend 100% on the opinions and rankings of others, so love hearing what others think of this years top 3 WRs and how they stack up to a player like Pickens.

Yeah.

A lot of the ordering will come down to draft capital, and to a lesser extent, landing spot.

Gibbs will probably go #2 in a ton of drafts. Though, JSN is a special talent and I wouldn't blame someone for taking him at 2. I think JSN would have had a case for the 1st receiver taken in the 2022 draft.

Probably Addison at 4. I think he's a special talent. I think he's up there with guys like Wilson and Olave in this year's class.

Quentin Johnston at 5. On tape he looks electric with the ball in his hands. Most of his damage was done against Big 12 guys, and he disappeared vs Georgia. I'm really interested in his combine or Pro-day. Today, I would tell you I want him over Pickens

I think Zach Evans, Sean Tucker and Zach Charbonnet all wind up with Day 2 draft Capital and wind up in fantasy relevant spots.

There are several other really nice RB's that will go later due to the depth of the class.

I appreciate the awesome reply! Lots to think on for sure.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That being said, I think we'll see JSN and Addison out of the slot a lot as pros. And I think they'll be very productive fantasy football assets.

I slot receivers, especially in PPR.

 

[ghostguy123]

I got Pickens at 1.12 last year and I viewed him similar to Williams in that he would need a redshirt year coming off injury. I just can't see giving up on him even if someone offered me 1.08 this year to pick up a slot receiver or backup RB with potential who doesn't have an NFL team yet. Maybe after the draft things will settle in a bit but I don't think we'll see a lot of trades involving Pickens with where current owners value him compared to non owners. So the question is, what would it take to pluck him from my roster? 1.03 right now without knowing current wr landing spots.

So why was this 2023 class so highly touted? Seriously I have never seen a class as highly touted as this one, and now it's just like any ol regular class

Incredible depth at RB, a potential generational talent at 1.01, as many as 4 1st round QBs, one a Heisman winner, and a strong TE class, plus an elite tier of 3-4 WR + as many as 8-10 FF viable WR behind them, depending on landing spot.

And ya know what? It still is that.

We’re just at the part of the post-season/off-season where people start trashing a draft class that hasn’t been to the combine, and haven't been drafted yet.

Welcome to Jan 31st. Hot take season.


Having watched a ton of the top ~25 projected offensive picks, it’s an impressive class. And deep.

No SF for me, so I don't care about the quarterbacks
And who are these running backs you speak of?

 

[ghostguy123]

I got Pickens at 1.12 last year and I viewed him similar to Williams in that he would need a redshirt year coming off injury. I just can't see giving up on him even if someone offered me 1.08 this year to pick up a slot receiver or backup RB with potential who doesn't have an NFL team yet. Maybe after the draft things will settle in a bit but I don't think we'll see a lot of trades involving Pickens with where current owners value him compared to non owners. So the question is, what would it take to pluck him from my roster? 1.03 right now without knowing current wr landing spots.

So why was this 2023 class so highly touted? Seriously I have never seen a class as highly touted as this one, and now it's just like any ol regular class

Click bait, social media's increasing prevalence, etc. Everything is the worst or the best. No in between.

It wasn't that. It was everyone on here. I also did some startup drafts this past summer and wow, people were absolutely GAGA over 2023 picks. Never seen such startup value given for future picks before.
Like nothing I've ever seen before and likely won't see again.
And for what? Bijan and then a class not much different than others?? Yeesh

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I got Pickens at 1.12 last year and I viewed him similar to Williams in that he would need a redshirt year coming off injury. I just can't see giving up on him even if someone offered me 1.08 this year to pick up a slot receiver or backup RB with potential who doesn't have an NFL team yet. Maybe after the draft things will settle in a bit but I don't think we'll see a lot of trades involving Pickens with where current owners value him compared to non owners. So the question is, what would it take to pluck him from my roster? 1.03 right now without knowing current wr landing spots.

So why was this 2023 class so highly touted? Seriously I have never seen a class as highly touted as this one, and now it's just like any ol regular class

Incredible depth at RB, a potential generational talent at 1.01, as many as 4 1st round QBs, one a Heisman winner, and a strong TE class, plus an elite tier of 3-4 WR + as many as 8-10 FF viable WR behind them, depending on landing spot.

And ya know what? It still is that.

We’re just at the part of the post-season/off-season where people start trashing a draft class that hasn’t been to the combine, and haven't been drafted yet.

Welcome to Jan 31st. Hot take season.


Having watched a ton of the top ~25 projected offensive picks, it’s an impressive class. And deep.

No SF for me, so I don't care about the quarterbacks
And who are these running backs you speak of?

These running backs, obviously.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And for what? Bijan and then a class not much different than others?? Yeesh

That’s one characterization I guess.

Weird how many disagree with you, but I won’t go appeal to the masses. I’ll just say that I disagree with you. By a lot.

Also, I understand that you don’t play SF, but that doesn’t mean those of us who do are overrating a draft that we are viewing in the context of SF. Cmon.

It’s ok for us to disagree about players or even draft value. But apples to apples is a good way to argue in good faith.

 

[jm192]

Haven't had the combine, let alone the draft, and people are already claiming the class a let down lol.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Haven't had the combine, let alone the draft, and people are already claiming the class a let down lol.

I've been saying this for weeks. It's an odd phenomenon.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

It's not looking as good a class as it was lauded a year ago but it's fine at RB.
I think the reason it has been progressively hyped is the huge drop off of scoring in the NFL. Many Rb's looking like they are winding down and everyone is desperate to get some replacements in. These rookies are looking much more appealing than the ghosts of Kamara, Fournette, Mixon even though most of them probably won't be any good.

 

[Blick]

It's not looking as good a class as it was lauded a year ago but it's fine at RB.
I think the reason it has been progressively hyped is the huge drop off of scoring in the NFL. Many Rb's looking like they are winding down and everyone is desperate to get some replacements in. These rookies are looking much more appealing than the ghosts of Kamara, Fournette, Mixon even though most of them probably won't be any good.

I'm looking for as many late 1st/early 2nds as I can get to take advantage of the RB depth.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It's not looking as good a class as it was lauded a year ago but it's fine at RB.

Every….single…..year.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

It's not looking as good a class as it was lauded a year ago but it's fine at RB.

Every….single…..year.

Dunno mate, I heard nothing but bad things about 2022 and right now it's looking like a pretty solid class.

The rise of silly* Superflex leagues warped the narrative somewhat. Last year was supposedly awful cos there were no QB's even though the WR's were excellent and we seem to have ended up with several fairly premium runners as well.

*I think 2 QB leagues are so silly. Do not understand the appeal at all.

 

[ghostguy123]

It's not looking as good a class as it was lauded a year ago but it's fine at RB.

Every….single…..year.

If you think this is an every single year thing, you weren't paying attention. Every draft I was seeing people trading 3rd round startup picks for a random 2023 1st. I have never seen that kind of value moved for a random future 1st, let alone multiple times in the same year. We are talking guys like Tyreek, Ekeler, Henry, Pittman, Mahomes, Kelce, Barkley........ straight up for a random future 1st, and if anything the future 1st looks even worse than random because the team trading it away got one of those players.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It's not looking as good a class as it was lauded a year ago but it's fine at RB.

Every….single…..year.

If you think this is an every single year thing, you weren't paying attention. Every draft I was seeing people trading 3rd round startup picks for a random 2023 1st. I have never seen that kind of value moved for a random future 1st, let alone multiple times in the same year. We are talking guys like Tyreek, Ekeler, Henry, Pittman, Mahomes, Kelce, Barkley........ straight up for a random future 1st, and if anything the future 1st looks even worse than random because the team trading it away got one of those players.

Yeah I hardly ever pay attention.

 

[smbkrypt24]

It's not looking as good a class as it was lauded a year ago but it's fine at RB.

Every….single…..year.

If you think this is an every single year thing, you weren't paying attention. Every draft I was seeing people trading 3rd round startup picks for a random 2023 1st. I have never seen that kind of value moved for a random future 1st, let alone multiple times in the same year. We are talking guys like Tyreek, Ekeler, Henry, Pittman, Mahomes, Kelce, Barkley........ straight up for a random future 1st, and if anything the future 1st looks even worse than random because the team trading it away got one of those players.

I can verify I fell into this. Before the year I trade Barkley for Tua, 2.06, 2023 1, 2023 2, 2023 3.
I then traded 2.06 (W. Robinson) for a 2023 2nd.
I then traded Tua, 2022 2nd (early) for a 2023 1st and Matt Ryan

Total package looking at it a year later.

Gave up: Barkley, 2022 2nd (early)
Received: 2023 1st (early), 2023 1st (early), 2023 2nd (early), 2023 3rd (early), M. Ryan

I lucked out having that 2023 1st from the Barkley trade missing the playoffs which means its a lottery pick. If I get Bijan out of it I am happy. Any other results and I was blinded by the 2023 hype.

 

[ghostguy123]

You found the ONE guy who was willing to move a 2023 1st for Tua and a 2nd.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

And for what? Bijan and then a class not much different than others?? Yeesh

That’s one characterization I guess.

Weird how many disagree with you, but I won’t go appeal to the masses. I’ll just say that I disagree with you. By a lot.

Also, I understand that you don’t play SF, but that doesn’t mean those of us who do are overrating a draft that we are viewing in the context of SF. Cmon.

It’s ok for us to disagree about players or even draft value. But apples to apples is a good way to argue in good faith.

Speaking of SF, does Bijan go 1.01 in those leagues as well? I pulled a Houston this year and won the last game of the season to drop me into the #2 pick. I'm pretty set at QB, so if Bijan goes 1.01 then maybe it's a good position to trade down?

 

[smbkrypt24]

You found the ONE guy who was willing to move a 2023 1st for Tua and a 2nd.

You need to remember that Tua was balling out to start the year. I traded him the game before his concussion. So while it may have been top of the market at that point and I was certainly happy with the deal...It isn't as outrageous as it seems now.

 

[Boston]

And for what? Bijan and then a class not much different than others?? Yeesh

That’s one characterization I guess.

Weird how many disagree with you, but I won’t go appeal to the masses. I’ll just say that I disagree with you. By a lot.

Also, I understand that you don’t play SF, but that doesn’t mean those of us who do are overrating a draft that we are viewing in the context of SF. Cmon.

It’s ok for us to disagree about players or even draft value. But apples to apples is a good way to argue in good faith.

Speaking of SF, does Bijan go 1.01 in those leagues as well? I pulled a Houston this year and won the last game of the season to drop me into the #2 pick. I'm pretty set at QB, so if Bijan goes 1.01 then maybe it's a good position to trade down?

Unless the 1.1 is real weak at QB I would think Bijan goes #1...the hype is too much...at that point you will be in a great spot as you can either deal the 1.2 to a QB-needy team or you draft a QB there and either beef up your QBs (you can never have enough) or figure out a deal later because there will be a very good one at some point (there always is with QBs in SF)...you are in an excellent spot...I would just not get into the mindset of forcing a deal before the draft unless it is one you really like.

 

[Boston]

You found the ONE guy who was willing to move a 2023 1st for Tua and a 2nd.

If this is SF (I will assume it is...if not, disregard this post) and Tua had stayed healthy I would take Tua and a 2nd for a #1...now that we know Tua has his issues the move seems dicey.

 

[ffmail4me]

12 team SF PPR Best Ball Dynasty League

Gave: Startup picks 10.5, 11.4, 12.9
Got: McLaurin and Ridley

 

[jm192]

It's not looking as good a class as it was lauded a year ago but it's fine at RB.

Every….single…..year.

If you think this is an every single year thing, you weren't paying attention. Every draft I was seeing people trading 3rd round startup picks for a random 2023 1st. I have never seen that kind of value moved for a random future 1st, let alone multiple times in the same year. We are talking guys like Tyreek, Ekeler, Henry, Pittman, Mahomes, Kelce, Barkley........ straight up for a random future 1st, and if anything the future 1st looks even worse than random because the team trading it away got one of those players.

I can verify I fell into this. Before the year I trade Barkley for Tua, 2.06, 2023 1, 2023 2, 2023 3.
I then traded 2.06 (W. Robinson) for a 2023 2nd.
I then traded Tua, 2022 2nd (early) for a 2023 1st and Matt Ryan

Total package looking at it a year later.

Gave up: Barkley, 2022 2nd (early)
Received: 2023 1st (early), 2023 1st (early), 2023 2nd (early), 2023 3rd (early), M. Ryan

I lucked out having that 2023 1st from the Barkley trade missing the playoffs which means its a lottery pick. If I get Bijan out of it I am happy. Any other results and I was blinded by the 2023 hype.

This is one of those "both things can be true" scenarios.
You're saying "Everyone said how good the new pizza place was. I gave up my 1st born for one of their pizzas. Not worth it."

I wouldn't give up Justin Jefferson or Chase for an unknown 1st. I may not give them for any 1st. Does that mean that the class is a bust? No.

EDIT: I didn't read the post very well. 2 1sts for Saquon before the season actually feels like good value. There was enough unknown surrounding him. Saquon will be 26 next month, which is basically 29 for a running back. I'm probably going to start sending out offers to move him. 2 1sts is actually pretty intriguing.

The problem right now is we don't know combine numbers. We don't know landing spots. We don't know draft Capital. So much can happen.

Imagine teams spend 2nd round picks on Zach Evans, Sean Tucker, and Zach Charbonnet. All of a sudden, it's a lot more interesting, no?

 

[rockaction]

Barkley for an unknown 1st is a bad move

Two early firsts. The positioning of the firsts was probably not known at the time of the deal, but he netted two firsts. That was the going rate for Barkley, for sure. Two firsts would be considered a lot for Barkley back when there were unknowns about how his year would go. In addition, an early 2022 second was considered a bad pick to have. Moving it for a 2023 second was consensus spot-on about what to do with that pick.

The hype was there. Two firsts was considered good for Barkley regardless of hype, though. Even then, that hype might be justified, but people are having buyer's remorse. My opinion is that they really shouldn't right now. Of course, I get rookie fever every year while people get to kicking rocks about their picks, it seems.

Hey! I'll take those second-round picks!

eta* For clarity about the position I'm taking. Sorry. In re-reading my argument, I noticed it got confusing.

 

[TartanLion]

Boutte and JSN not going on to have studly last college years has dampened the feel of the WR class at the top end a little I’d say, which has in turn made the draft class feel not quite as special as was touted a year back. It’s still seemingly got unbelievable depth at RB, decent set of QBs and a big batch of promising TEs

 

[jm192]

Barkley for an unknown 1st is a bad move

Two early firsts. The positioning of the firsts was probably not known at the time of the deal, but he netted two firsts. That was the going rate for Barkley, for sure. Two firsts would be considered a lot for Barkley back when there were unknowns about how his year would go. In addition, an early 2022 second was considered a bad pick to have. Moving it for a 2023 second was consensus spot-on about what to do with that pick.

The hype was there. It might be justified, but people are having buyer's remorse. My opinion is that they really shouldn't right now. Of course, I get rookie fever every year while people get to kicking rocks about their picks, it seems.

Hey! I'll take those second-round picks!

I didn't realize it was before the season.

I didn't read the rest of the post where he turned all the extra's into another 1st.

I agree with you, 2 1sts before the season started feels pretty good for Barkley.

 

[rockaction]

It’s still seemingly got unbelievable depth at RB

Now I'll play counter-argument to this. Last year's class had a ton of depth, too, once you account for the fact that Allgeier and Pierce took their teams' starting jobs and ran with them. That's Breece Hall, Ken Walker, James Cook, Dameon Pierce, and Tyler Allgeier who all wound up playing huge roles for the clubs towards the end of the year or were playing them at the beginning before they got hurt. I just think a lot of people thought 2022 sucked, put their professional reputations on the line, and are now finding silver linings in the playbook instead of what should be a mea culpa.

Not that they're wrong to find the silver linings. Just that it seems convenient a year after they -- for the most part -- totally whiffed on 2022 and its talent.