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[jm192]

Boutte and JSN not going on to have studly last college years has dampened the feel of the WR class at the top end a little I’d say, which has in turn made the draft class feel not quite as special as was touted a year back. It’s still seemingly got unbelievable depth at RB, decent set of QBs and a big batch of promising TEs

I think both are going to be really good and the class is still going to go down as special.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Speaking of SF, does Bijan go 1.01 in those leagues as well? I pulled a Houston this year and won the last game of the season to drop me into the #2 pick. I'm pretty set at QB, so if Bijan goes 1.01 then maybe it's a good position to trade down?

I believe so.

We discussed this in the Bijan topic a bit.

TL/DR, He’s the safest pick on the board and in his own tier. If 1.01 doesn’t want him, they should absolutely trade down because they can get 1.02 and profit.

Taking anyone other than Bijan at 1.01 is leaving trade value on the table.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Boutte and JSN not going on to have studly last college years has dampened the feel of the WR class at the top end a little I’d say, which has in turn made the draft class feel not quite as special as was touted a year back. It’s still seemingly got unbelievable depth at RB, decent set of QBs and a big batch of promising TEs

But Boutte & JSN are still incredibly talented WRs.

I don’t see what “feel” has to do with anything. It’s still a special draft class.

 

[TartanLion]

Boutte and JSN not going on to have studly last college years has dampened the feel of the WR class at the top end a little I’d say, which has in turn made the draft class feel not quite as special as was touted a year back. It’s still seemingly got unbelievable depth at RB, decent set of QBs and a big batch of promising TEs

But Boutte & JSN are still incredibly talented WRs.

I don’t see what “feel” has to do with anything. It’s still a special draft class.

I never said they weren’t if you read my post. I’m attempting to explain why in some quarters, the 2023 class has fallen a little flatter than was touted a year back. That’s not to say I think it’s the case, or that either of those players aren’t potentially great.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Not that they're wrong to find the silver linings. Just that it seems convenient a year after they -- for the most part -- totally whiffed on 2022 and its talent.

I agree with this part. I’ll play devil’s advocate back though.

respectfully, it is also possible (likely even) that this 223 RB class is even better than what 2022 turned out to be. Sure looks like it to me.

It’s also possible that this WR class is even better than what 2022 turned out to be, though that’s a higher bar.

FWIW I don’t think Allgeier is that good. I’m not really convinced that Pierce is that good. They both had a lot of opportunity. IMO, Pierce is better than Allgeier, but seems to have a limited skill set. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see the Texans being in a COP/3rd down back to go RBBC.

So that’s 1 great, 1 really good and 2 ok RB from the 2022 class?

I see as many as 8 guys who could be better than Allgeier & Pierce in 2023, in Bijan, Gibbs, Tucker, Evans, Bigsby, Charbonet, Achane, Miller, and like last year, there are probably several Allgeier/Pierce types this year that come out of nowhere to get jobs & have FF-worthy opportunity.

The depth at RB is significantly better than 2022 regardless of what FF writers whiffed or got things right.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I never said they weren’t if you read my post. I’m attempting to explain why in some quarters, the 2023 class has fallen a little flatter than was touted a year back. That’s not to say I think it’s the case, or that either of those players aren’t potentially great.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. My bad for having read that hastily. Maybe you’re right.

Maybe some folks just want the 2023 class to be worse so that’s what they’re projecting.

I saw Boutte declare and thought, “wow - the 2023 class just got even better!”.

 

[jm192]

Not that they're wrong to find the silver linings. Just that it seems convenient a year after they -- for the most part -- totally whiffed on 2022 and its talent.

I agree with this part. I’ll play devil’s advocate back though.

respectfully, it is also possible (likely even) that this 223 RB class is even better than what 2022 turned out to be. Sure looks like it to me.

It’s also possible that this WR class is even better than what 2022 turned out to be, though that’s a higher bar.

FWIW I don’t think Allgeier is that good. I’m not really convinced that Pierce is that good. They both had a lot of opportunity. IMO, Pierce is better than Allgeier, but seems to have a limited skill set. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see the Texans being in a COP/3rd down back to go RBBC.

So that’s 1 great, 1 really good and 2 ok RB from the 2022 class?

I see as many as 8 guys who could be better than Allgeier & Pierce in 2023, in Bijan, Gibbs, Tucker, Evans, Bigsby, Charbonet, Achane, Miller, and like last year, there are probably several Allgeier/Pierce types this year that come out of nowhere to get jobs & have FF-worthy opportunity.

The depth at RB is significantly better than 2022 regardless of what FF writers whiffed or got things right.

I think after you get past Bijan, Gibbs, and Tucker, they RB's kind of all jumble together. Maybe add Evans to those 1st 3. Maybe don't. Not the discussion or argument I'm attempting to have. But it's just tough to separate out a big group of guys.

Those guys are all very talented. And we don't know their landing spots yet. If we wake up after the draft, and several of these guys get Day 2 draft capital and land in spots where there is a clear path to touches--suddenly everyone is back in love with this class.

The lack of landing spots for the RB's creates this uncertainty. People worrying about the class are probably going to feel a lot better about it after the draft.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Those guys are all very talented. And we don't know their landing spots yet. If we wake up after the draft, and several of these guys get Day 2 draft capital and land in spots where there is a clear path to touches--suddenly everyone is back in love with this class.

That’s really part of the point - we’re here before the combine and draft. We don’t know official measurables or landing spots and people are negging on the class.

To me, that’s…a little weird.

Tank Bigsby or Charbonet gets drafted by MIA, or Tucker lands in BUF, PHI drafts Achane to pair with Gainwell, and all of a sudden the FF world will be going gaga over this class.

But on February 1st, where nothing has changed since the end of the college season, I’d rather be optimistic with a wait and see approach. Maybe I’m the weird one.

 

[menobrown]

It’s still seemingly got unbelievable depth at RB

Now I'll play counter-argument to this. Last year's class had a ton of depth, too,

This is true and I said a few times around here, post NFL draft, that it was the richest looking second round for RB's I could ever recall for rookie drafts.

I do think this years RB class is deeper on the whole then last years, but the problem may be they just don't last nearly as long as rookie drafts because we don't have enough quality WR's pushing them back.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

These rookies are looking much more appealing than the ghosts of Kamara, Fournette, Mixon even though most of them probably won't be any good.

It’s a great point. There’s an old guard of aging assets like Chubb, Ingram, the ones you listed and a bunch of peripheral guys, etc.

Here’s a list of 27 y/o active RBs in the NFL.

CMC is an old 26 (wear & tear-wise, and there are quite a few others at that age.

I’m not gonna be ageist and harsh on the old dudes (they’re like half my age. lol) but for an NFL RB, they old.

In the next 2-5 years most, if not all of these dudes will be out.

So while we are instinctively inclined to look at this draft class through the lens of “2023 landscape”, it’s worth taking a mile-high view that there’s a deep class of RB, and they’re the names we’re going to see taking over some of the vacancies in the next 2-5 years.

This class is loaded, from that perspective. I’m planning on leaning in. Just because the NFL doesn’t value RB as much as they once did, doesn’t mean FF owners should follow suit. it might be the opposite. Just like Kelce has crazy value because he’s the rarest asset in FF, feature backs can also give you a massive advantage as more and more teams go with committees. Maybe this is obvious to the folks at a FF forum.

If I can come away from the 2023 draft with 3-4 RB I’m going to be elated.

Some of this class will be starting in 2023. Some might be in time-shares. Some might start in a timeshare and take over due to ability or injury. And some might not get real opportunity until 2024.

But the overall landscape of the NFL seems to indicate a massive changing of the guard at RB in the not too distant future.

But now I’m just rambling. Anyway, great point about aging assets in the NFL, and how much this crop of RB could be impactful down the road.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

but the problem may be they just don't last nearly as long as rookie drafts because we don't have enough quality WR's pushing them back.

I think once the combine gets speed & agility measured, and landing spots are known, we might see that shift.

For one, the FF community is crazy for WRs. For another, what if (for example) Boutte goes to DAL, Hyatt goes to NYG, Downs Is drafted by KC, Flowers to BUF - if even a couple of those scenarios emerge, we might well see those WRs leapfrog some of the RBs. Especially with supply & demand and so many RB.

 

[menobrown]

but the problem may be they just don't last nearly as long as rookie drafts because we don't have enough quality WR's pushing them back.

I think once the combine gets speed & agility measured, and landing spots are known, we might see that shift.

For one, the FF community is crazy for WRs. For another, what if (for example) Boutte goes to DAL, Hyatt goes to NYG, Downs Is drafted by KC, Flowers to BUF - if even a couple of those scenarios emerge, we might well see those WRs leapfrog some of the RBs. Especially with supply & demand and so many RB.

Almost all of my drafts had 9 WR's go in round one last year, any exceptions had 8 going. Not seeing anything remotely possible like that this year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

but the problem may be they just don't last nearly as long as rookie drafts because we don't have enough quality WR's pushing them back.

I think once the combine gets speed & agility measured, and landing spots are known, we might see that shift.

For one, the FF community is crazy for WRs. For another, what if (for example) Boutte goes to DAL, Hyatt goes to NYG, Downs Is drafted by KC, Flowers to BUF - if even a couple of those scenarios emerge, we might well see those WRs leapfrog some of the RBs. Especially with supply & demand and so many RB.

Almost all of my drafts had 9 WR's go in round one last year, any exceptions had 8 going. Not seeing anything remotely possible like that this year.

Probably not that many, no.

But that also speaks more to the lack of viable RBs (or at least the perception at the time of the draft) and only Kenny Pickett as a consideration in SF.

But I could see as many as 6 or 7 in a 12-team format, depending on landing spots. I could also see as few as 5, but probably not fewer.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So that’s 1 great, 1 really good and 2 ok RB from the 2022 class?

Hall and Walker were both great by any measurement (eye test, metrics, production) - really not sure how anyone can say otherwise.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So that’s 1 great, 1 really good and 2 ok RB from the 2022 class?

Hall and Walker were both great by any measurement (eye test, metrics, production) - really not sure how anyone can say otherwise.

Hall & Walker were my 1 great, 1 really good.

Who’s saying otherwise?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So that’s 1 great, 1 really good and 2 ok RB from the 2022 class?

Hall and Walker were both great by any measurement (eye test, metrics, production) - really not sure how anyone can say otherwise.

Hall & Walker were my 1 great, 1 really good.

Who’s saying otherwise?

I said they were both great.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So that’s 1 great, 1 really good and 2 ok RB from the 2022 class?

Hall and Walker were both great by any measurement (eye test, metrics, production) - really not sure how anyone can say otherwise.

Hall & Walker were my 1 great, 1 really good.

Who’s saying otherwise?

I said they were both great.

Ah. Ok that makes sense. I have Hall a full tier above Walker.

I was impressed by Walker. I don’t think he’s as complete of a RB. He doesn’t catch the ball much, or fluidly, which was the lone knock on him headed into last year.

He wasn’t a terrible receiver or a complete zero, but that’s just not a plus part of his game.

That’s why I have him as “really good”. Maybe in non-PPR he’s great - I have to be careful not to generalize when there are multiple formats.

I also wonder how productive he would have been had Penny not gotten hurt, but that’s a bit like wondering what would happen if the sun didn’t rise.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I also wonder how productive he would have been had Penny not gotten hurt

How does that have anything to do with how good Walker was once he got the opportunity?

And everyone on Earth knew Penny would get hurt at some point. Heck that was the reason I drafted Walker in redraft. Since I owned him in redraft (ppr league), I will assure you his production was great - and my “eye-test” would confirm that as well.

There’s no need to tear down the 2022 class to help make the 2023 class look better. It had two great backs and two others that had great rookie seasons - although i would agree that Allgeier isn’t likely a long term bellcow.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I also wonder how productive he would have been had Penny not gotten hurt

How does that have anything to do with how good Walker was once he got the opportunity?

And everyone on Earth knew Penny would get hurt at some point. Heck that was the reason I drafted Walker in redraft. Since I owned him in redraft (ppr league), I will assure you his production was great - and my “eye-test” would confirm that as well.

There’s no need to tear down the 2022 class to help make the 2023 class look better. It had two great backs and two others that had great rookie seasons - although i would agree that Allgeier isn’t likely a long term bellcow.

Not tearing it down at all - just defending why I thought Hall was a tier above Walker.

The penny comment was an aside - I guess I’m also looking ahead wondering if SEA might bring in a receiving back. IIRC with Carson they threw to the RBs more often. But it was irrelevant to Walker’s 2022 value, which I agree was very good.

But in the context of our exchange it was irrelevant - my bad. Sometimes I go stream of consciousness. This was one of those times.

ETA: and in context, the post you quoted was comparing the depth of 2023 RB class to that of the 2022. I believe 2023 is deeper - that doesn’t diminish Hall or Walker at all.

 

[BeTheMatch]

SF, a guy is offering me DeVonta Smith for Pacheco and a 2024 first-rounder that will likely be between 1.07 and 1.12.

Thoughts?

That would leave me with Dameon Pierce, Jamaal Williams and Herbert at RB.

And he would join Diggs, Olave, T. Boyd, Sutton and Pierce at WR.

And I have no first-rounder this year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

SF, a guy is offering me DeVonta Smith for Pacheco and a 2024 first-rounder that will likely be between 1.07 and 1.12.

Thoughts?

That would leave me with Dameon Pierce, Jamaal Williams and Herbert at RB.

And he would join Diggs, Olave, T. Boyd, Sutton and Pierce at WR.

And I have no first-rounder this year.

I would probably take that. I’m a Pacheco shareholder, and wholeheartedly believe the Chiefs will replace McKinnon with a rookie.

And unfortunately for Pacheco, that rookie might be able to do more than catch.

Value-wise, I don’t totally love it. I don’t hate it either. It’s probably fair.

You’ll be hurting at RB, which is a concern. But you would likely be able to then flip a WR for a more valuable RB if that becomes an issue.

 

[BeTheMatch]

SF, a guy is offering me DeVonta Smith for Pacheco and a 2024 first-rounder that will likely be between 1.07 and 1.12.

Thoughts?

That would leave me with Dameon Pierce, Jamaal Williams and Herbert at RB.

And he would join Diggs, Olave, T. Boyd, Sutton and Pierce at WR.

And I have no first-rounder this year.

I would probably take that. I’m a Pacheco shareholder, and wholeheartedly believe the Chiefs will replace McKinnon with a rookie.

And unfortunately for Pacheco, that rookie might be able to do more than catch.

Value-wise, I don’t totally love it. I don’t hate it either. It’s probably fair.

You’ll be hurting at RB, which is a concern. But you would likely be able to then flip a WR for a more valuable RB if that becomes an issue.

I ended up accepting it. I like Pacheco a lot. But it's still Andy Reid. And he's still a seventh-rounder. And I just value WRs so much more. And I agree with you, I can probably flip a WR for a RB if needed.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

and wholeheartedly believe the Chiefs will replace McKinnon with a rookie.

It's possible they draft a rookie, but I also think they bring McKinon back. His pass blocking is very valued by Reid and I don't think he'll command much on the market.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

and wholeheartedly believe the Chiefs will replace McKinnon with a rookie.

It's possible they draft a rookie, but I also think they bring McKinon back. His pass blocking is very valued by Reid and I don't think he'll command much on the market.

Yeah, I could see that scenario as well. Also wouldn't bode well for Pacheco.

Though I do think Pacheco has earned the early down banger role for 2023, it's also frustrating that they kept using McKinnon in the RZ and often in goal to go situations (probably for the exact reason you stated above). It was nice to see Pacheco get a little receiving love in the last game.

Still, all that said, I see that deal as a 2024 1st for Smith, with Pacheco as a pot sweetener. So I'm on the Smith side.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

and wholeheartedly believe the Chiefs will replace McKinnon with a rookie.

It's possible they draft a rookie, but I also think they bring McKinon back. His pass blocking is very valued by Reid and I don't think he'll command much on the market.

Yeah, I could see that scenario as well. Also wouldn't bode well for Pacheco.

Though I do think Pacheco has earned the early down banger role for 2023, it's also frustrating that they kept using McKinnon in the RZ and often in goal to go situations (probably for the exact reason you stated above). It was nice to see Pacheco get a little receiving love in the last game.

Still, all that said, I see that deal as a 2024 1st for Smith, with Pacheco as a pot sweetener. So I'm on the Smith side.

Yes - the KC backfield is far from settled. Pacheco came on strong in the second half of the season, but he's hardly bulletproof - it's not out of the question that KC would use an early pick at RB.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

RB on a team with Mahomes just isn't going to be as valuable as we project or hope I don't think. Bit of a fools gold landing spot an RB.

 

[heckmanm]

16 team contract league, non-PPR except 1PPR for TE

Team A gets: 2 years of TJ Hockenson

Team B gets: 2023 1.xx (lottery, projected 1.03 but could be 1.01-1.05) and opens a spot to keep someone else 2 years

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

16 team contract league, non-PPR except 1PPR for TE

Team A gets: 2 years of TJ Hockenson

Team B gets: 2023 1.xx (lottery, projected 1.03 but could be 1.01-1.05) and opens a spot to keep someone else 2 years

I like 2 years of Hock. The way the Vikes used him puts him in rare consistent production for a TE. Plus the PPR (TE-P-like) - just makes the TE more valuable than the 1.03-05)

 

[heckmanm]

16 team contract league, non-PPR except 1PPR for TE

Team A gets: 2 years of TJ Hockenson

Team B gets: 2023 1.xx (lottery, projected 1.03 but could be 1.01-1.05) and opens a spot to keep someone else 2 years

I like 2 years of Hock. The way the Vikes used him puts him in rare consistent production for a TE. Plus the PPR (TE-P-like) - just makes the TE more valuable than the 1.03-05)

If it matters, the rookie pick can be kept for up to 6 years.

I'm Team B and the extra years was what pushed me to accept. I tore down the team a bit last year, trading away the last year of both CMC and Waller to get 2023 picks. IDK if I can get into full contention mode this year, as Tua is my only QB right now and I can't be 100% sure he can stay on the field. So the rookie pick lets me potentially extend my contending window.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If it matters, the rookie pick can be kept for up to 6 years.

Oh - yes, that does matter. A lot.

Also the context. If you’re a win-now team, Hock is gonna help you more. But given your situation, I think you made the right move dealing Hock for 1.03-1.05.

 

[phandango]

FFPC Superflex Best Ball

Gave: Geno Smith
Got: 2024 2nd, 3.04

Big part of this was mandatory FFPC cutdown to 16 players by the end of March, but this still felt about right for what he's worth. (I asked for the 2.04, but he countered with the '24 2nd.)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

FFPC Superflex Best Ball

Gave: Geno Smith
Got: 2024 2nd, 3.04

Big part of this was mandatory FFPC cutdown to 16 players by the end of March, but this still felt about right for what he's worth. (I asked for the 2.04, but he countered with the '24 2nd.)

Feels a bit light for SF, but I understand the FFPC format has severe roster limitations, so I can’t really say for sure.

Still - I would think a top ~12 QB (assuming he Re-signs with SEA) in SF should command more.

I understand small rosters, but is there also a contract situation or cap or something?

 

[heckmanm]

If it matters, the rookie pick can be kept for up to 6 years.

Oh - yes, that does matter. A lot.

Also the context. If you’re a win-now team, Hock is gonna help you more. But given your situation, I think you made the right move dealing Hock for 1.03-1.05.

Yeah if I was contending I'd hang on to him and try to make a run.

 

[phandango]

FFPC Superflex Best Ball

Gave: Geno Smith
Got: 2024 2nd, 3.04

Big part of this was mandatory FFPC cutdown to 16 players by the end of March, but this still felt about right for what he's worth. (I asked for the 2.04, but he countered with the '24 2nd.)

Feels a bit light for SF, but I understand the FFPC format has severe roster limitations, so I can’t really say for sure.

Still - I would think a top ~12 QB (assuming he Re-signs with SEA) in SF should command more.

I understand small rosters, but is there also a contract situation or cap or something?

No contracts in FFPC. In best ball dynasty, teams can roster up to 22 active players, plus 3 on IR, so there are teams that may have to clear 9 roster spots between season's end and March 31. My team has to clear 7 roster spots, and since I've got guys I definitely do not want to cut, it makes more sense to trade someone at just less than full value.

Geno's a tough one to value. He's definitely proven he can be a valuable fantasy QB, but he's a free agent, and I could see his value taking a big hit if he doesn't re-sign in Seattle. I know the Seahawks said they want him back, but they also repeatedly said, "No way we're trading Russ," and then they did.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

12 team PPR SF league

Got Trevor Lawrence and K Kirk

For T Hill and 1.02

I am feeling pretty good about this. My team other than Carr is brutal at QB with Z Wilson and D Mills. I bought this team as a rebuild project last season and I think this is a step in the right direction. I still have the 2.02 and 2.03 in my back pocket for a few quality picks. Baby steps …

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 team PPR SF league

Got Trevor Lawrence and K Kirk

For T Hill and 1.02

I am feeling pretty good about this. My team other than Carr is brutal at QB with Z Wilson and D Mills. I bought this team as a rebuild project last season and I think this is a step in the right direction. I still have the 2.02 and 2.03 in my back pocket for a few quality picks. Baby steps …

I like it. See my last posts in the value topic.

Aging asset in Hill, and going from a high risk 2023 QB rookie to an established just still just 23 year old TLaw, and you get Kirk back?

Trade calcs vary, but I’d make this deal 100 times out of 100.

Congrats - outside of Burrow, Hurts, Allen, and Mahomes I’m not sure there’s a QB I’d want more in SF.

 

[Boston]

12 team PPR SF league

Got Trevor Lawrence and K Kirk

For T Hill and 1.02

I am feeling pretty good about this. My team other than Carr is brutal at QB with Z Wilson and D Mills. I bought this team as a rebuild project last season and I think this is a step in the right direction. I still have the 2.02 and 2.03 in my back pocket for a few quality picks. Baby steps …

I like it. See my last posts in the value topic.

Aging asset in Hill, and going from a high risk 2023 QB rookie to an established just still just 23 year old TLaw, and you get Kirk back?

Trade calcs vary, but I’d make this deal 100 times out of 100.

Congrats - outside of Burrow, Hurts, Allen, and Mahomes I’m not sure there’s a QB I’d want more in SF.

I think we keep looking at it from CFG's side but if the other guy has a quality team with solid QBs this is a great move for him as well...he gets one of the top difference-makers in Hill to put him over the top while being able to restock his QB depth with Young...tough giving up Lawrence in SF but that is a very nice now and later return if you have a quality contender.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think we keep looking at it from CTG's side but if the other guy has a quality team with solid QBs this is a great move for him as well...he gets one of the top difference-makers in Hill to put him over the top while being able to restock his QB depth with Young...tough giving up Lawrence in SF but that is a very nice now and later return if you have a quality contender.

Jinx - I was just posting about the other side of this in the value topic. I’m baffled as to why anyone in SF is dealing away TLaw.

You make a good point about why it might work. I speculated in the value topic about the rationale as well.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

I think we keep looking at it from CTG's side but if the other guy has a quality team with solid QBs this is a great move for him as well...he gets one of the top difference-makers in Hill to put him over the top while being able to restock his QB depth with Young...tough giving up Lawrence in SF but that is a very nice now and later return if you have a quality contender.

Jinx - I was just posting about the other side of this in the value topic. I’m baffled as to why anyone in SF is dealing away TLaw.

You make a good point about why it might work. I speculated in the value topic about the rationale as well.

All good points. The other guy may have Josh Allen and another decent QB and will get his choice of Young/Stroud. Depending on rosters....this seems like a win-win. I think Kirk's value may drop with Ridley there this year but T-Law is a monster in SF at his talent/age. Hill/1.02 is a good get though if you have a championship roster and are already set at QB. Plus, they could be true believers in Young or Stroud and you know one of them is going to Houston so you king of know landing spots. That being said....I'm with you on the T-Law side in SF.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

All good points. The other guy may have Josh Allen and another decent QB and will get his choice of Young/Stroud. Depending on rosters....this seems like a win-win. I think Kirk's value may drop with Ridley there this year but T-Law is a monster in SF at his talent/age. Hill/1.02 is a good get though if you have a championship roster and are already set at QB. Plus, they could be true believers in Young or Stroud and you know one of them is going to Houston so you king of know landing spots. That being said....I'm with you on the T-Law side in SF.

Yeah, in the value topic I speculated that they may even work that 1.02 into the 1.01 - if they’re set at QB and could spare TLaw, that’s not a bad angle to go for Bijan.

Or, as you & @Boston suggest, it might be a move to go for it with Tyreek & hope they get lucky with Stroud or Young being ~70% of TLaw out of the gate.

Either way, it is win-win, though the safer side would seem to be TLaw, by a lot. Maybe I’m just going through Zach Wilson PTSD, but that QB class is a great reminder of how many rookie QBs don’t make it.

 

[Boston]

All good points. The other guy may have Josh Allen and another decent QB and will get his choice of Young/Stroud. Depending on rosters....this seems like a win-win. I think Kirk's value may drop with Ridley there this year but T-Law is a monster in SF at his talent/age. Hill/1.02 is a good get though if you have a championship roster and are already set at QB. Plus, they could be true believers in Young or Stroud and you know one of them is going to Houston so you king of know landing spots. That being said....I'm with you on the T-Law side in SF.

Yeah, in the value topic I speculated that they may even work that 1.02 into the 1.01 - if they’re set at QB and could spare TLaw, that’s not a bad angle to go for Bijan.

Or, as you & @Boston suggest, it might be a move to go for it with Tyreek & hope they get lucky with Stroud or Young being ~70% of TLaw out of the gate.

Either way, it is win-win, though the safer side would seem to be TLaw, by a lot. Maybe I’m just going through Zach Wilson PTSD, but that QB class is a great reminder of how many rookie RBs don’t make it.

Zack Wilson will leave a giant mark...you use a high pick and you gotta believe that good or bad he will at least have good SF value for a decent period of time...and in less than two years he has less value than Bailey Zappe...ouch!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Zack Wilson will leave a giant mark...you use a high pick and you gotta believe that good or bad he will at least have good SF value for a decent period of time...and in less than two years he has less value than Bailey Zappe...ouch!

He was part of a massive package I received for Mahomes.

Luckily he was the only miss. I can’t imagine what it must have been like for those who drafted him.

Also, “QB”. I guess I talk about RB a lot because AC is so helpful.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Zack Wilson will leave a giant mark...you use a high pick and you gotta believe that good or bad he will at least have good SF value for a decent period of time...and in less than two years he has less value than Bailey Zappe...ouch!

He was part of a massive package I received for Mahomes.

Luckily he was the only miss. I can’t imagine what it must have been like for those who drafted him.

Also, “QB”. I guess I talk about RB a lot because AC is so helpful.

Zach Wilson is a big reason that I don't play SF in Dynasty. Redraft but not dynasty. Hate that you have to rely on guys like that or draft them so high.

 

[Ziggs]

I got Pickens at 1.12 last year and I viewed him similar to Williams in that he would need a redshirt year coming off injury. I just can't see giving up on him even if someone offered me 1.08 this year to pick up a slot receiver or backup RB with potential who doesn't have an NFL team yet. Maybe after the draft things will settle in a bit but I don't think we'll see a lot of trades involving Pickens with where current owners value him compared to non owners. So the question is, what would it take to pluck him from my roster? 1.03 right now without knowing current wr landing spots.

So why was this 2023 class so highly touted? Seriously I have never seen a class as highly touted as this one, and now it's just like any ol regular class

OK so I'm warming up to this years WR class. I might trade Pickens for the 1.06 but I draw the line there.

 

[JoeJoe88]

This one just went down in my league. Not involved.

Team A Gives: Tony Pollard, 24’ 1st(likely mid-late)
Team B Gives: Javonte Williams

 

[Dr. Octopus]

This one just went down in my league. Not involved.

Team A Gives: Tony Pollard, 24’ 1st(likely mid-late)
Team B Gives: Javonte Williams

Interesting and I could see an argument for either side but I’d lean Williams. I’m just so impressed by him physically so willing to wait out the injury.

 

[JoeJoe88]

This one just went down in my league. Not involved.

Team A Gives: Tony Pollard, 24’ 1st(likely mid-late)
Team B Gives: Javonte Williams

Interesting and I could see an argument for either side but I’d lean Williams. I’m just so impressed by him physically so willing to wait out the injury.

This is where I’m at as well and I see the trade as relatively even. It’ll be interesting to see if Pollard remains with Dallas or goes elsewhere.

I was a huge fan of Javonte’s talent pre-injury and if he’s able to bounce back to full capacity I’d take him pretty easily over the other two pieces.

 

[Penguin]

In FFPC just saw Kamara & 2.10 go for 1.05

 

[Penguin]

In FFPC just saw Kamara & 2.10 go for 1.05

In FFPC just saw Kamara & 2.10 go for 1.05

First thought is I can actually see the Kamara owner doing this. Aging RB, legal issues and decline in usage as the season went on.

 

[ghostguy123]

In FFPC just saw Kamara & 2.10 go for 1.05

In FFPC just saw Kamara & 2.10 go for 1.05

First thought is I can actually see the Kamara owner doing this. Aging RB, legal issues and decline in usage as the season went on.

Yeah. Seems like pick 5 easy actually