Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That was so 2022, the hot new thing is 2024 picks.
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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (36 Viewers)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Herbert & a 2nd all day.
It’s a fair value trade, but I’d rather have the Herbert in the hand than 2 in the bush.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
They are. I’ve been rejecting offers for my 6 damn near daily. Especially the 1.01 in both leagues.
But I can see dealing 2023 1sts for more 2024 1sts. Just netting free picks to make a bigger splash.
It’s an interesting way to rebuild. And when you’ve accumulated enough picks, you can start using them to target players ahead of the draft when everyone is getting excited about those picks.
Right up until that point after the combine and before the NFL draft people start getting geeked up about the *next* draft, as @Dr. Octopus suggests. lol
But there’s going to be an uptick between the NFL draft & FF drafts once draft capital & landing spots are known.
It’s wild to watch these swings every year.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
I like McLaurin here on value but if you’re rebuilding, I understand the move.
Terry is so damn good and just doesn’t quite get the respect he deserves. He’s mostly viewed as an afterthought in fantasy though and is a guy no one seems interested in trading for. I like Moore but that room just got real crowded and I’m not even sure what to think about Bateman other than he is condemned to purgatory.
I’d take McLaurin and hope he gets a QB that can unlock him for fantasy at some point in the next three seasons.
efactor
Footballguy
I'll assume some trades are made with specific leagues rules in mind. Most people think of "dynasty" as the traditional league where you can keep players forever. In this type of league, trading 2023 for 2024 picks makes less sense unless you are positioning for an anticipated higher pick next year vs what you are giving up this year. In salary cap leagues, I see the logic more. You may have a super strong team or a super strong position group and picking a player who may not crack your lineup for 2-3 years is wasting contract years. Some trades obviously look worse than they actually are depending on league set up
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I do enjoy trading later picks in current year for future picks that could be lottery picks. It is how I got 1.01 this year.
It leaves me this year with 1.01, 1.04, 1.06, 2.04, 4 2024 firsts and seconds.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
At some point you should pick rather than trading current picks for future picks. Some people seem to always sell their soul fur the next draft
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Given that extra context I have zero problem with your move. Going from 1.02 to 1.06 doesn’t mean your punting on this draft. It’s still a premium pick and there’s going to be a guy you are very happy to take at that spot. Plus you get Bijan and whomever you like at 1.04 so you’re still stocking the roster and getting future capital too. And you can use those 24 picks in season for trades if you’re having a good year and need to shore up a spot or two.
The whole “at some point you need to pick” thing is nonsense. You are. It’s just at 6 instead of 2. Maybe you’re not crazy about Gibbs or JSN. Or maybe you don’t want to risk them both landing bad. Doesn’t matter, you got solid value to move down and you have the capital to move up or around the board next year if you want. Not to mention, you’re getting the slam dunk running back out of this draft anyway.
Good move with the added context here.
Edit- you did say you wanted to move 1.06, which is fine too. I’d try to get a 2nd in this draft though plus a future 1. Or multiple picks in this draft. There’s going to be plenty of good options between 7-24 and I’d want several shots at those spots.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You’ll get no argument from me on that.
And, as @efactor astutely points out, not all league formats are the same. Some have salary cap, or contracts. These can obviously be significant factors in how one approaches picks or players.
That said, let’s say you have a 3 year plan to rebuild. Are you better off drafting your own 1-6 round picks every year, or having like 6x 1st round picks I. 2024-2025?
I’d take the latter, personally. And the cost of waiting another year to compete while getting higher draft picks yourself because your team is depleted, seems like a bargain.
Just requires patience. I’ve watched my own rebuild wallow for 2 years now. It’s not the most fun. But man I’m looking forward to finally spending that draft capital.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I took a similar approach with my scorched earth approach. I have 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 10, 13 this year and an extra 1st next year that should be top 6.
Excited to finally draft some players.
I personally have Penny's value in about that range you paid but looking at the context of your team I absolutely like that move a great deal.
I'd take the two in the bush.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Definitely needed a RB. And while I joke (often) about Penny’s fragility, if he gets 10-12 games out of Penny in that offense it’s likely to pay off in spades.
If (gasp) he gets 16 games out of Penny in that offense there’s also an opportunity to realize a massive profit flipping him before 2024.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Shooooo, I don’t need no 10 games. I just need him playing in weeks 16 & 17 lol.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Funny, I am getting nothing for my 1.01 or other 3 x 1st Round 2023 picks ... I did get an offer for my 2024 1st. Lowball but point that some are looking at Treyvon, Marvin Jr & Caleb thru rose colored glasses early.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s a weird lull between combine and NFL draft.
I expect interest to perk up when you’re on the clock.
Also, if you’re looking to move them, let folks know. I’m sure you’ll get offers.
I posted up “make me a serious offer on any pick” to our GroupMe chat & now people won’t leave me alone. lol
In my other league that’s how I landed Bateman. Offered up 2024 1st in the chat. Bunch of terrible offers, but some not so bad.
Shoot your shot - never know what might come in.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If he ever played with a real QB he’d be talked about a lot more. One of the rare talents that combine route running with elite level speed. The Skins/Commanders have wasted most of his career.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
And ball skills. Guy makes tough, contested catches all the time. You’re totally right, just stuck on the wrong team.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I will pick. I’ll gladly take Bijan this year and hopefully Marvin Harrison next year.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
At some point you have to play for championships rather than the draft.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yep, and then trade them for more future picks
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Nah my window is 2024 I traded for k Murray this off-season so when he is a full go I’m all in on winning. Right now with Wilson and Carr, I dont think I can win the ship.Yep, and then trade them for more future picks
24-man 0.5 PPR 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex(RB/WR/TE), 1K, 1DEF
Not involved but this trade went down in my league:
Team A: Trades own 2024 1st and 2024 2nd (Projected early - top candidate to be 1.01 though fantasy football is hard to predict so I'd probably only give it like a 20% to 25% at the 1.01, TKC score for team is 45, next lowest is 68)
His top assets are Pickett, Stafford, A Jones, Dillon, Conner, Evans, Hopkins, JuJu, Curtis Samuel, R. Woods, Kittle, and Schultz.
Team B: Trades 1.09 and own 2024 3rd (Projected mid to late, TKC score for team is 99)
This one was frustrating. I own the 1.08, 1.10, 1.12, and a bunch of 2023 2nds and previously let my league know I am open to trading them. However, I never made a pick(s) for pick(s) offer to this owner. I would have given up the 1.10 straight up or the 1.08 + 2.09 for his 2024 1st and 2nd. I probably would have eventually given up the 1.08 straight up but I'm hoping to leverage that in another way once the NFL Draft has actually happened.
Morale of the story - If you know you have an impulsive owner in your league who doesn't shop around before making trades just spam his inbox with trade offers if there is an asset that owner has that you value really highly.
In general though, I think it's a bit early to bail on 2023 1sts for 2024 1sts unless you're trading a late 2023 1st for a projected early 1st or you have an impulsive/impatient owner in your league that isn't going to wait until May to make a trade.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I don't spam the owner that is like this, but every year I trade a very late first round pick or multiple seconds for his future first round pick.
Last year I traded 2.02, 2.07, 2023 2nd (turned out to be 2.08) for what turned out to be pick 1.03.
I know he really wants to get in to each current draft so I allow him to each year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s a horrific trade for team A. Probably goes without saying.
1.09 & a 24 3rd for an early 2024 1st & 2nd?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
12 team PPR SF, start 10, no K, no D/ST
I have 1,2, 3, 4, 8, 10, 13
I gave: 2.01, ‘24 3rd
I rec’d: Bateman
Was planning on going WR at 2.01 anyway so it fit my plan to try for a potentially better player with the same asset. Also figured if I’m buying low in 1 league I should try in the other, too.
I have 1,2, 3, 4, 8, 10, 13
I gave: 2.01, ‘24 3rd
I rec’d: Bateman
Was planning on going WR at 2.01 anyway so it fit my plan to try for a potentially better player with the same asset. Also figured if I’m buying low in 1 league I should try in the other, too.
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That’s a horrific trade for team A. Probably goes without saying.
1.09 & a 24 3rd for an early 2024 1st & 2nd?
Yeah the disconnect here is that some owners don't objectively evaluate their team relative to others.
I messaged team A afterwards and he told me he feels he is 2 moves away from being a top title contender. He sees this as trading a late 2024 1st + 2024 2nd for the 2023 1.09 + 2024 3rd which from a time value standpoint isn't a bad deal to make if you are right your picks are late.
I don't agree with his sediment he is two moves away but if he is right my question is what does he have to give up to make those two moves?
His group of players are mostly old players and not very liquid in dynasty. His 2023 picks are now the 1.09, 3.01, 3.08, 3.12, and the 4.02. His 2024 picks are now the two thirds and his fourth.
2025 picks can't be traded yet.
His team did finish 6th last year and was a Dillon start over Schultz in the first round away from winning the title but he also barely made the playoffs with this old roster and the what could have been string of playoff victories for him would have been extremely lucky/fortunate ones.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Makes me start to think, a nice dirty trick might be to be a "rebuilding" team with a couple studs and nobody else, but a million draft picks. Trade away your own first from next year (you know, the "high first pick") for "high first" value. Then try to trade all your picks into mid-to-older top-redraft type players. Suddenly first you traded away could be a late first.That’s a horrific trade for team A. Probably goes without saying.
1.09 & a 24 3rd for an early 2024 1st & 2nd?
Yeah the disconnect here is that some owners don't objectively evaluate their team relative to others.
I messaged team A afterwards and he told me he feels he is 2 moves away from being a top title contender. He sees this as trading a late 2024 1st + 2024 2nd for the 2023 1.09 + 2024 3rd which from a time value standpoint isn't a bad deal to make if you are right your picks are late.
I don't agree with his sediment he is two moves away but if he is right my question is what does he have to give up to make those two moves?
His group of players are mostly old players and not very liquid in dynasty. His 2023 picks are now the 1.09, 3.01, 3.08, 3.12, and the 4.02. His 2024 picks are now the two thirds and his fourth.
2025 picks can't be traded yet.
His team did finish 6th last year and was a Dillon start over Schultz in the first round away from winning the title but he also barely made the playoffs with this old roster and the what could have been string of playoff victories for him would have been extremely lucky/fortunate ones.
Okay, too many moving parts, but it's a fun idea.
I’m in a 14 team league with a manager Iike this and another manager who has taken advantage of him by swapping future 1sts in a pre draft trade by giving him some type of upgrade for the current draft. Did it in 22 which turned out to be getting 2023 1.01 for 2023 1.14. Pulled it off again this year, swapping 24 1sts while also getting 1.07 for Josh Jacobs and a 24 3rd.That’s a horrific trade for team A. Probably goes without saying.
1.09 & a 24 3rd for an early 2024 1st & 2nd?
Yeah the disconnect here is that some owners don't objectively evaluate their team relative to others.
I messaged team A afterwards and he told me he feels he is 2 moves away from being a top title contender. He sees this as trading a late 2024 1st + 2024 2nd for the 2023 1.09 + 2024 3rd which from a time value standpoint isn't a bad deal to make if you are right your picks are late.
I don't agree with his sediment he is two moves away but if he is right my question is what does he have to give up to make those two moves?
His group of players are mostly old players and not very liquid in dynasty. His 2023 picks are now the 1.09, 3.01, 3.08, 3.12, and the 4.02. His 2024 picks are now the two thirds and his fourth.
2025 picks can't be traded yet.
His team did finish 6th last year and was a Dillon start over Schultz in the first round away from winning the title but he also barely made the playoffs with this old roster and the what could have been string of playoff victories for him would have been extremely lucky/fortunate ones.
Had to break that cycle and got the bad manager’s 25 1st, plus 1.11 for Jordan Love in a trade posted up thread. When 26 picks are available next season, I will be targeting that 1st
Da Franchise
Footballguy
I am a HUGE fan of trading late 1sts for projected early 1sts.
I am also a HUGE fan of getting 1st round pick swaps with teams I project to be much worse than me.
Both of those types of moves have greatly contributed to my success over the years. I find the first idea more difficult to pull off, but I can almost always get someone to swap future 1sts.
I am also a HUGE fan of getting 1st round pick swaps with teams I project to be much worse than me.
Both of those types of moves have greatly contributed to my success over the years. I find the first idea more difficult to pull off, but I can almost always get someone to swap future 1sts.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC SuperFlex not involved and the first I've seen with the 1.01
Team A gave Olave, Najee, Waller, 2024 1st & 2nd (prob late)
Team B gave Freiermuth, Jameson Williams, 1.01
Enjoy
ETA those picks are 2024
Team A gave Olave, Najee, Waller, 2024 1st & 2nd (prob late)
Team B gave Freiermuth, Jameson Williams, 1.01
Enjoy
ETA those picks are 2024
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
How do we not know where the 2023 picks are from team A?
Are they actually 2024s?
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Not enough. Only one blue chip asset here and a bunch of window dressing. I have 1.01 and would insta reject.
Boston
Footballguy
It is not so much the 1.1 that bothers me here but the fact the Owner is giving up two other potential studs.
efactor
Footballguy
Yeah, take Williams and Friermith out of the equation and it’s a solid trade.
FFPC 1 QB
Gave: TJ Hockenson, 2.08
Got: Kyle Pitts
Offer came in unsolicited (but I made offers for Pitts in January). I have a team that's deep at TE (also have Mark Andrews, George Kittle and Trey McBride). In a 1 QB league, the 20th rookie could very well be a cut candidate, so this could end up being TJH straight up for Pitts.
Gave: TJ Hockenson, 2.08
Got: Kyle Pitts
Offer came in unsolicited (but I made offers for Pitts in January). I have a team that's deep at TE (also have Mark Andrews, George Kittle and Trey McBride). In a 1 QB league, the 20th rookie could very well be a cut candidate, so this could end up being TJH straight up for Pitts.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Congrats on Pitts.
I like both sides of that, but Pitts could still be the TE1 for the next decade.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
On a run heavy team who doesn't even utilize him? Last year was.......really bad for that kind of outlook
Pitts's rookie season was one of the best ever for a TE. It took Hockenson four years and a trade to a new team to come close to matching that. Plus, Pitts's trade value should remain pretty high.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Last year was…a very small sample size to make these sorts of declarative statements.
Pitts team will get better. There’s plenty of reason for optimism with him. His rookie year provided more than enough cause to be giddy about his future.
efactor
Footballguy
Yardage was good for a rookie. 1 TD. They trailed a lot so threw the ball a lot. Last year was brutal.
Hock is in a great situation playing with Jefferson to draw coverage.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Optimism? Sure. Top TE next decade? I'll bet against that heavily
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I'm not saying I'd take the Hock and 2nd over Pitts. However, Pitts is overvalued.
efactor
Footballguy
Pitts may end of being great but acting like it’s an undisputed fact that he’s going to be better than Hock is off base. I see rankings where Pitts is the #1 dynasty TE and I just don’t see it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not saying it’s an undisputed fact.
Just saying I believe he’ll be better than Hock
We can all have our projections on that & still all be friends
barackdhouse
Footballguy
good catch - yes they are 2024
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Fair assessment. I have to ask who the one blue chip is, though, because if I'd have to guess I'd say you're talking about Najee but to me Olave is the prize on that side. But I tend to agree it's not enough.
I'm not into either of Freiermuth or J Williams but I tend to agree.
I'll say take one out not both.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
This one got glossed over but thought I'd repost from about a month ago.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Got you Dak. Probably a fair deal. I don’t love Waller, but in SF a TE is probably easier to find than a QB.
