Some WR's do. Not sure if Watson is one of those guys. He has been just as blow-uppy as Achane (but not as good). Also, just as injury prone (if not worse).
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MTskibum
Footballguy
I was trying for a higher tier of WR, but did not get any bites. Yeah, Watson is risky, but i am hoping the reports about the muscle size discrepancy are true and everything will be resolved.
If not, not too big of deal, won't be the first trade i messed up
Packers receiver Christian Watson believes he has discovered the root cause his soft-tissue leg injuries
Packers’ Christian Watson said specialists determined he carried his strength asymmetrically. His right leg was significantly weaker than his left.
www.packersnews.com
Dez
Footballguy
He passed on Worthy to take Edgerin Cooper LB and he was the 1.04 pick this year so anything can happen but he is not favored to make playoffs next year.
I guess he didn't learn his lesson from last year when he traded his 2.01 and 2024 1st for 1.06 and drafted Jack Campbell LB. That 2024 1st turned into 1.04. Yikes
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Who's your QB1?
I don't like the Dak for Dell trade, tbh. Dell is a tiny receiver in a crowded WR room. Yes, he played well as a rookie, but the number of guys his size that have sustained more than a year of good season is really, really small. Steve Smith is the only comp that really comes to mind and his playing weight was 30lbs more than Dell. Unless you have Mahomes or Allen in addition to Dak, I wouldn't have traded him. That said, I've only recently become a convert from the streaming QB method and I feel it's helped elevate my squads.
Christian Watson stan here. He's looked really good in limited playing time AND addressed his injury concern in the offseason. If the unbalanced leg strength really is what was causing the hammy issues, then he could be in line for a really big season. Also not a huge fan of Achane for the same reasons I don't much like Dell.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I like the deals, but like @Gally said, not for the reason you gave. Lol
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dez
Footballguy
Lives in Ohio about 20 miles from me and is a Steelers fan.
titusbramble
Footballguy
Javonte and the picks, and I don't think it's close
lardonastick
Footballguy
Same league, same owner that traded for Taylor is now acquiring Walker:
Kenneth Walker
for
2025 1st
2025 2nd
2027 1st
AJ Dillon
Edited to add, he had multiple future picks from trading away Bijan last year
joey
Footballguy
Someone needs to get that dude into rehab. He has a trade addictionSame league, same owner that traded for Taylor is now acquiring Walker:
Kenneth Walker
for
2025 1st
2025 2nd
2027 1st
AJ Dillon
Edited to add, he had multiple future picks from trading away Bijan last year
His Taylor for Williams+picks trade makes sense. But it feels like he’s over-paying for Walker here (and I really like Walker).
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ok this dude is just nuts. lolSame league, same owner that traded for Taylor is now acquiring Walker:
Kenneth Walker
for
2025 1st
2025 2nd
2027 1st
AJ Dillon
Edited to add, he had multiple future picks from trading away Bijan last year
Same league, same owner that traded for Taylor is now acquiring Walker:
Kenneth Walker
for
2025 1st
2025 2nd
2027 1st
AJ Dillon
Edited to add, he had multiple future picks from trading away Bijan last year
Can trade picks 3 years out? Hope your league rules force the teams to pay future fees as a deposit. Seems like that team would be prime to bail if their moves don’t work out.
Blick
Footballguy
I know a guy like that….Ok this dude is just nuts. lolSame league, same owner that traded for Taylor is now acquiring Walker:
Kenneth Walker
for
2025 1st
2025 2nd
2027 1st
AJ Dillon
Edited to add, he had multiple future picks from trading away Bijan last year
Agree with the bolded.Someone needs to get that dude into rehab. He has a trade addictionSame league, same owner that traded for Taylor is now acquiring Walker:
Kenneth Walker
for
2025 1st
2025 2nd
2027 1st
AJ Dillon
Edited to add, he had multiple future picks from trading away Bijan last year
His Taylor for Williams+picks trade makes sense. But it feels like he’s over-paying for Walker here (and I really like Walker).
I got Walker on some teams and the only thing that would keep me from snap accepting that kind offer is that I picked up Charbs pretty cheaply in those leagues during the season last year and while handcuffing may not be for everyone I like owning this duo and would hate to break it up. So that's enough consideration to make me have to think about it, but would likely have a hard time saying no(as long as I felt secure the league would be around in 2027)
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I would sell Walker for that if he were my only RB, and you told me you were psychic and knew that there wouldn’t be a good RB in the next 2 drafts.Agree with the bolded.Someone needs to get that dude into rehab. He has a trade addictionSame league, same owner that traded for Taylor is now acquiring Walker:
Kenneth Walker
for
2025 1st
2025 2nd
2027 1st
AJ Dillon
Edited to add, he had multiple future picks from trading away Bijan last year
His Taylor for Williams+picks trade makes sense. But it feels like he’s over-paying for Walker here (and I really like Walker).
I got Walker on some teams and the only thing that would keep me from snap accepting that kind offer is that I picked up Charbs pretty cheaply in those leagues during the season last year and while handcuffing may not be for everyone I like owning this duo and would hate to break it up. So that's enough consideration to make me have to think about it, but would likely have a hard time saying no(as long as I felt secure the league would be around in 2027)
I’m just saying. He woulda been better off just keeping JT.
Why not deal JT for Walker straight up and cut out the middle man?
Head scratcher.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not before Dez gets in on that sweet lopsided action though.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Huge upgrade and I don’t mind the price.
In TE-P it probably costs more.
If this is TE-P, bargain.
Boston
Footballguy
I would go Pitts...fingers crossed that this is the year Pitts solidifies that he is a legit high-end TE...all things are pointing to that which is why I am surprised the other guy is making this move unless he also has another young TE like Kincaid or Bowers but even than I think he could have done more than this for Pitts even if it was part of a bigger package...for you there isn't a ton of downside with this since I have zero interest in Chig...for the other guy that other piece needs to be better...add in a quality young prospect and it makes more sense but IMO Chig will max out as a mediocre backup.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Great buy low. Pitts side for me.
We don't know if Pitts will pan out, but for me - I would be happy to get Pitts for this.
This is very easily Pitts. I don’t know why anyone would move Pitts for this kind of return when he very clearly is going to be in the best situation he’s ever been in and he’s still only 23.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Especially considering Pitts was likely a 1st round draft pick.
So after holding for 3 seasons, and Pitts finally getting not just a QB, but one that routinely peppers the TE, his net profit is…Chig?
Oof. Bad ROY.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I think it's probably equal.
Difficult to evaluate the trade because Isaiah Likely probably doesn't see much action for a couple years but believe he is in a good situation.
I don't want any piece of Derek Carr. .
I don't love Tua either.
I'd probably prefer to be on the Pitts side of things here for immediate return.
Boston
Footballguy
Definitely the Tua-side...in SF Tua is a very valuable piece and once he extends with Miami he will solidify that value...outside of actually being a QB in the SF format Carr does nothing for me and he is one more mediocre season from entering the phase of his career where he will bounce around from team to team...Pitts is a tough piece to give up in this format but the difference between Tua and Carr along with a 1st round pick that will still hold a lot of value if it is late because the format is TEP and SF and an incredibly intriguing young TE in Likely who will have value this year and if Andrews got hurt can potentially be the equal of Pitts is an excellent add-on and more than makes up for losing the potential of Pitts...I really like this deal a ton for the new Tua Owner...very smart trade.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Tua, but I don’t like either side of this deal.
SieteCinco
Footballguy
Mid-draft trades. 12 Team 1PPR SuperFlex
Other team offered: James Cook, 2025 2nd (team was 1.01 this year)
For my: Chase Brown, 3.07 (OTC - Ray Davis), 3.08 (Jalyn Polk) (I was out of roster space, HAD to trade picks or consolidate)
Other team offered: CeeDee Lamb
For my: James Cook, Brandon Aiyuk, 2025 1st
Gave: 4.07
For: 2025 4th (early)
Other team offered: James Cook, 2025 2nd (team was 1.01 this year)
For my: Chase Brown, 3.07 (OTC - Ray Davis), 3.08 (Jalyn Polk) (I was out of roster space, HAD to trade picks or consolidate)
Other team offered: CeeDee Lamb
For my: James Cook, Brandon Aiyuk, 2025 1st
Gave: 4.07
For: 2025 4th (early)
barackdhouse
Footballguy
10 team 0.5 PPR not involved and not in the league
Team A gave Mike Evans, 2024 1.06
Team B gave Achane
Team A gave Mike Evans, 2024 1.06
Team B gave Achane
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think I commented on this one on Twitter.
Chuck Bass liked the Achane side. Surprising, considering his affinity for older players.
Interesting deal. I think I actually prefer the Evans side if I feel like that acquiring him pushes me into a top-3 team. If that pick were like, say, 1.09 I think I’d be on the opposite side, but 1.06 is a damn good player. Maybe I’m lower on Achane than consensus I’m not sure, but this almost feels like a free Mikey.
Borderline free Mike Evans to me.
Hey, great minds!
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I think I commented on this one on Twitter.
Chuck Bass liked the Achane side. Surprising, considering his affinity for older players.
Huh interesting I think it's Achane side and not super close. Not a bad trade or anything but if I'm holding Achane this is an auto reject without a counter. Not a bad offer or anything but just not enough to interest me. On the other hand I would easily pay this for Achane. It might be the cheapest he gets for a long time and this is also not a terrible exit deal for Evans.Hey, great minds!
I don't know how deep the rosters are here but if they aren't very deep then you're taking on a textbook roster clogger. Even more so because it is only 10 team. It also makes top tier players even more scarce and valuable. (Achane, whether perceived or actual is in that category for me)
Yes 1.06 in this draft is a good player but there is no scenario where I'm going to believe Evans "puts me over the top". If you're that close then you're either close enough already or much further than you think you are. Losing Achane for Evans (plus 1.06) shouldn't be something that puts you over the top.
Unless you're the one acquiring Achane.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Mike Evans may be older, but he is absolutely not a roster clogger and depending on roster composition, the 1.06 could be Caleb, Brooks, or Brian Thomas Jr / Xavier Worthy type. I'm also not an Achane stan. I think he gets beat up and banged up worse this year than last. Warrick Dunn and Darren Sproler come to mind as the only two under 190lb RBs who have had a modicum of sustained success. As is often in fantasy football, we have vastly differing opinions on all 3 parts of this trade. Give me the perennial 1000+ yard guy and the rookie pick.I think I commented on this one on Twitter.
Chuck Bass liked the Achane side. Surprising, considering his affinity for older players.Huh interesting I think it's Achane side and not super close. Not a bad trade or anything but if I'm holding Achane this is an auto reject without a counter. Not a bad offer or anything but just not enough to interest me. On the other hand I would easily pay this for Achane. It might be the cheapest he gets for a long time and this is also not a terrible exit deal for Evans.Hey, great minds!
I don't know how deep the rosters are here but if they aren't very deep then you're taking on a textbook roster clogger. Even more so because it is only 10 team. It also makes top tier players even more scarce and valuable. (Achane, whether perceived or actual is in that category for me)
Yes 1.06 in this draft is a good player but there is no scenario where I'm going to believe Evans "puts me over the top". If you're that close then you're either close enough already or much further than you think you are. Losing Achane for Evans (plus 1.06) shouldn't be something that puts you over the top.
Unless you're the one acquiring Achane.
My belief is this is more likely to be true for the player I can get at 6, Thomas or Brooks worst case, then it will lbe true for Achane.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
forgive the formatting - I still suck at the new site mechanics. If he is a guy you'll never move again he is a clogger (to me). It is ok if we disagree though.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
OTC I can get behind the argument. Thomas is the only comingclose to that for me and I doubt he is there at 1.06 if the draft hasn't kicked off yet.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
The term roster clogger is likely the disconnect. To me, a roster clogger is someone who's good enough to keep on a roster but not good enough to start. Someone who sits on your bench all season without really contributing. Evans isn't a guy you're gonna get more than a few years out of, for sure. But I suspect those few years will be contributory to most any fantasy roster.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Eh - Achane is undersized and stuck in a RBBC from hell. That may not always be the case, but then, it may. It certainly seems like the Dolphins have no intention of ever giving him anything resembling feature-back touches, and I know it's only 1 season, but he's already shown how fragile he is by getting hurt.
He's already had shoulder, knee, and foot injuries, and his size compared to NFL defensive players worries me. Draft Sharks puts him at 83%+ chance of injury, which take with a grain of salt and all, but yeah - if I can get Evans, and draft Brooks, I call that a win.
But we all have our preference. Evans is not a roster clogger by any stretch. Sure, your team might be his final destination, but he's a perennial 1000+ yard receiver, typically good for 6-10 TD.
Kelce would be a roster clogger to you then, yes?
I just wouldn’t consider a player that can give me a positional advantage a clogger, especially if I’m a contending team like I’m assuming the person acquiring Evans is. IIRC, Evans was like WR8 or 9 last season? Hardly what I’d call a roster clogger, but YMMV.
There’s also players that could potentially fall to me at 6 in a rookie draft that I would probably just straight up take over Achane. Like, just give me Brooks for example.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I mean "perennial" and a "few good years" of production isn't what you're getting. And get real, I obviously understand the guy is productive. My definition of clogger is someone who you acquire because you *think* that production will last but then it doesn't and he can't be traded.
That's textbook to me. Cloggers can only be someone that is at least a little coveted at first. If they weren't productive they wouldn't be on the list.
That's textbook to me. Cloggers can only be someone that is at least a little coveted at first. If they weren't productive they wouldn't be on the list.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
100% of players you all consider cloggers were once thought of as worthwhile. It could be me and Achane. It doesn't have to be about age. It just is with Mike Evans. And again, if he was washed he wouldn't be on the list. Pointing out how productive he has been as though I hadn't thought of it is a lot like trying to convince me that water is wet.
Boston
Footballguy
Achane's value to me is tied in to what your roster looks like...if your team is stacked and close I have no issues making that deal because he could put you over-the-top with his explosiveness but if he doesn't hit it won't hurt you too much because your roster can withstand the gamble...I have zero issues giving up Evans because trade options are somewhat limited with him at his age...the 1.6 is the gamble because you can use it to go after another quality player that could be safer than Achane as a player but I also believe that an Achane owner is not letting him go for much less than this type of deal after the way he teased everyone last year......the one thing that does make me nervous about Achane is Miami adding Wright to go with Achane and Mostert...if he is legit and Mostert can stay healthy Achane's value could really be tied into big plays which means he could be too much boom or bust...overall if you are high on Achane I totally get what you are doing here as well as also understanding why others would be hesitant about this move.
