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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (13 Viewers)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Gallup has clogged one of my dynasty rosters for 3 years now. You'd think I would have learned by now, but it's always THIS IS HIS YEAR TO SHINE!!!
Boston
Footballguy
Best shape of his life and has a goal of 1,500 yards...
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Somebody has to step up across from CeeDee Lamb! Gallup is poised for a monster year.
-every expert, every year
Keith R
The Don
During the draft (1QB, TE-P), some QB needy teams reached for QBs, causing some talent to fall. With that backdrop, I was approached while I was on the clock and worked this out;
Gave 1.07 and 2.12
Got 1.09 and 2025 1st (likely late)
He took Bowers with the 1.07. 1.08 is on the clock. I'll take either take Thomas or Brooks with the 1.09.
Gave 1.07 and 2.12
Got 1.09 and 2025 1st (likely late)
He took Bowers with the 1.07. 1.08 is on the clock. I'll take either take Thomas or Brooks with the 1.09.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I get someone overpaying for Bowers. But Thomas or brooks plus a 1st is definitely an overpay.
I indirectly did a similar trade.
Gave 8/11 after the NFL draft for 4. Never expected Thomas or Brooks to make it to 8. They did and it made me wonder if I'd still ahve done the deal and I would have, for sure. Some of that hinges on team and league makeup, one of those trades I could see merit for both sides.
Now I gave 1.11 instead of a future projected late 25#1 so that's different but I'm thinking in a general sense a current 1.11 is on par with a late 25 projected first? Maybe, personally I'd prefer a projected late 25#1 over the options I saw at 1.11 so maybe not but if we are considered those equal values I think the trade was ok either way, woult not call it an overpay for a very unique talent in TEP.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
It's an overpay, but also a "GO GET YOUR GUY" move and I like it. In TEP, Bowers is a value at 1.07. Also, the 2.12 this year seems relatively valuable. It's in the range of 2nd tier RBs like Corum, Estime and Vidal as well as the 3rd tier WRs like Wilson/Franklin/Polk.
Keith R
The Don
Thanks for that perspective. My goal in trading is not to win but to create a win-win so I find this encouraging
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
steelcityman
Footballguy
Had to cut someone prior to Sunday. Saturday was offered Dowdle and 3.07 rookie pick for Roschon Johnson and Kmet. Was likely cutting Kmet. So swapped RJ for Dowdle and got a pick.
I like RJ, but its not a big difference b/w the two RBs, and Dowdle could pop. How much juice does Zeke have left? Of course, they could pick up a RB in preseason.
I like RJ, but its not a big difference b/w the two RBs, and Dowdle could pop. How much juice does Zeke have left? Of course, they could pick up a RB in preseason.
joey
Footballguy
Like this for you. Nice trade.
The Tahitian Facemask
Footballguy
12 team 1QB PPR 6pt TD’s all
Team A gets Mahomes
Team B gets Love, Trey Benson (rookie pick 1.8)), Marshawn Lloyd (rookie pick 2.6)
Team A gets Mahomes
Team B gets Love, Trey Benson (rookie pick 1.8)), Marshawn Lloyd (rookie pick 2.6)
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Pretty good haul for Patrick Mahomes. While I think I am on the Mahomes side, I understand the trade and it does make sense. If Team B is in a rebuild, this move makes even more sense. I think the trade is about equal but I prefer the Mahomes side.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Excellent rebuild move for team B.
Boston
Footballguy
Doesn't do much for me...getting Love is a great start as he has a chance to be special in fantasy...Benson and Lloyd are guys I like but grouped together they don't move the needle much for me when you are talking about moving an elite Dynasty asset.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not the worst haul, but would have liked to have seen at least a future 1st, and/or ideally a blue chip position player going the other way for PM.
I don’t hate it, it’s just a stitch light. Certainly possible that Love + 2 rookies works out great. Or it might easily be 2 meh players, making this a relatively even swap of Mahomes for Love. Which would be less than ideal.
Like, if you remove the names and the deal is PM for Love + 1.08 + 2.06 I just don’t think it’s enough.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
16 team SF PPR TEP IDP
Had a solid core of players but have been dealing for depth. Picked up Trey Lance for Parkinson (basically free since CP was my 4th TE, plucked off the FA list end of last year)
I gave: 2026 2nd + 2026 3rd + Trey Lance
I rec’d: Jahan Dotson
Picks expected to be in the 12-16 range, as barring injury I’m a perennial playoff team for the next few years.
My WR group was Lamb, AJB, Nico, and then a big drop to Gabe Davis, Lockett, Bateman, Jermaine Burton
Adding Dotson is more a long-term value gamble. Certainly possible he delivers this year, but it feels like this got me a little younger/deeper at not a ton of cost. Picks are late & 2 years out.
I know a lot of folks are out on Dotson, but I remember trying to acquire him prior to last season & failed at every attempt. IMO the talent is there.
Had a solid core of players but have been dealing for depth. Picked up Trey Lance for Parkinson (basically free since CP was my 4th TE, plucked off the FA list end of last year)
I gave: 2026 2nd + 2026 3rd + Trey Lance
I rec’d: Jahan Dotson
Picks expected to be in the 12-16 range, as barring injury I’m a perennial playoff team for the next few years.
My WR group was Lamb, AJB, Nico, and then a big drop to Gabe Davis, Lockett, Bateman, Jermaine Burton
Adding Dotson is more a long-term value gamble. Certainly possible he delivers this year, but it feels like this got me a little younger/deeper at not a ton of cost. Picks are late & 2 years out.
I know a lot of folks are out on Dotson, but I remember trying to acquire him prior to last season & failed at every attempt. IMO the talent is there.
joey
Footballguy
Like that trade for you. Makes sense to me.
I drafted Dotson in the 13th round of an FFPC SF Triflex format start up last month and had many of the same positive thoughts about his upside and value at that point. People point to the rookie QB as probable downside this year, but who’s to say they don’t “click” out of the gate and we see bigger glimpses of what that tandem might look like for the next few years (I know that’s the most optimistic pov for this year).
Also, don’t he and McCaffrey play different WR roles in the offense? (Outside vs slot). If so, talk of McCaffrey relegating him any time soon might be off target.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yep - McCaffery plays slot, while Dotson can play slot and outside.
I feel like at this price there’s room for a profit down the road if any 2 of Bateman, Burton, Dotson, or Davis have higher than expected production this year.
I could then potentially flip one of them for another need position.
And while I did pay a 2026 2nd/3rd, I still have 2x 2026 1sts, so I still feel pretty good about that draft.
Birdie048
Footballguy
OK... Took over a bit of a rebuild 12 Team 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/1PK/1Def+ 1Flex PPR (Not TE+) Shallow bench (18 max)
Team has no QB but decent WR (ACooper, Godwin, Diggs, Shaheed, Mims)
I give up Tee Higgins and 1.02 for 1.01
The other franchise thinks I want Caleb at 1.01 .... Nope... MHJr is mine!!
Team has no QB but decent WR (ACooper, Godwin, Diggs, Shaheed, Mims)
I give up Tee Higgins and 1.02 for 1.01
The other franchise thinks I want Caleb at 1.01 .... Nope... MHJr is mine!!
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InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Good value. Take MHJ, trade for an older QB1, draft one or more of Maye/Nix/Pennix and roll on.
joey
Footballguy
In a 1QB, shallow bench league, probably doesn’t even need to trade for a QB. There will probably be a couple of serviceable vets avaiable in the mid/late rounds of the draft.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Agreed. I was discussing trading for TLaw but cost vs FA options did not make it worth the player/pick exchange.
FA QB's available = Aaron Rodgers, Baker Mayfield, Geno Smith, Derek Carr plus the rookies available at my 2.02 or later pick
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You know I like it.
It might be a slight overpay to upgrade to MH2, and some might argue you’d be better off with Tee + WR2 of the draft, but with your league’s tight roster limits you need studs at every starting spot.
Sounds like there are QBs to be had.
Get you an MH2 share.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d still like to see you get TLaw, but I feel like he’s a buy-low.
Big Nate
Footballguy
I like the idea of picking up Rodgers and ride him for the year and be fine. Baker if needed too. Pick up a rookie QB in a later round to stash if you feel that is the way to go. In a 1QB league you can always get serviceable vets for cheap like Stafford, Cousins etc. Then with 2nd round rookie picks you can always pick up a rookie QB to stash. Don't spend a lot on QBs but keep churning and hopefully you hit on the next one.
Also I like the move for MHJ. Since it is only start 7 (No SF) you need studs and a guy like MHJ can be that elite type guy. Keep aiming to stack your roster with studs where ever you can and I don't mind an overpay if it locks up a long term stud.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The only reason I don’t mind the deal is the 18 man rosters.
With such a short bench I feel like every team is going to be stacked, so you need studs at every position, and it’s start 2 WR format.
So it feels like the Tee Higgenses of the world will be easier to come by than the MH2s. Of course this is assuming MH2 is all that & a bag of chips.
In a larger roster, start 3 WR format i’d be on the Tee/1.02 side.
All of us who mainly play in standard FFPC dynasty deal with 20 man in-season rosters with a cutdown to 16 to fairly similar and I don't think that leads to every team being stacked. Those are also two WR leagues.The only reason I don’t mind the deal is the 18 man rosters.
With such a short bench I feel like every team is going to be stacked, so you need studs at every position, and it’s start 2 WR format.
So it feels like the Tee Higgenses of the world will be easier to come by than the MH2s. Of course this is assuming MH2 is all that & a bag of chips.
In a larger roster, start 3 WR format i’d be on the Tee/1.02 side.
WR is very deep but Tee is not some throw away. He was going as WR11 about this time last year in startups. So ok, new year and people are down on him-for some valid reasons, but he's still going as WR24. This is not like WR60 we are talking about.
More to the point on the specific team in question Tee was his most valuable WR before the trade. That's both my opinion and consensus dynasty opinion. If he parted ways with one of his lesser WR's would have been more ok to me.
In terms of pure startup value in a FFPC, which again is very similar, this is basically WR9 and WR24 for WR5. That's a bit rich to me in general, but especialy with his roster and what is now one young WR instead of two.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Understand I appreciate the insight and perspective. I like the evaluation/comparison of WR9 + WR24 comparison for WR5 valuable.
But does that take into account Cinn has Higgins replacement already in house?
Where will he be 2025? NEP? Balt? Potential bottom passing offenses.
And Higgins was my WR3-4 (C Godwin, A Cooper & S Diggs). Yeah, I know age is getting to be a factor for them too.
It came down to the simple fact of ARZ Offense vs NYG dumpster fire with Daniel Jones at QB. Am I biased? Maybe.
I see the uptick in ARZ offense with Kyler Murray and MHJr being more prolific and on the field for more plays than NYG for the next few years.
Don't get me wrong.. I like Nabers and I think he will be a valuable player... in 4-5 years.
Big Nate
Footballguy
The bench spots don't really matter, it's the fact there are only 7 starters which is extremely small. I'd say the average # of starters is probably 9 or maybe 10 now as most are expanding.All of us who mainly play in standard FFPC dynasty deal with 20 man in-season rosters with a cutdown to 16 to fairly similar and I don't think that leads to every team being stacked. Those are also two WR leagues.The only reason I don’t mind the deal is the 18 man rosters.
With such a short bench I feel like every team is going to be stacked, so you need studs at every position, and it’s start 2 WR format.
So it feels like the Tee Higgenses of the world will be easier to come by than the MH2s. Of course this is assuming MH2 is all that & a bag of chips.
In a larger roster, start 3 WR format i’d be on the Tee/1.02 side.
WR is very deep but Tee is not some throw away. He was going as WR11 about this time last year in startups. So ok, new year and people are down on him-for some valid reasons, but he's still going as WR24. This is not like WR60 we are talking about.
More to the point on the specific team in question Tee was his most valuable WR before the trade. That's both my opinion and consensus dynasty opinion. If he parted ways with one of his lesser WR's would have been more ok to me.
In terms of pure startup value in a FFPC, which again is very similar, this is basically WR9 and WR24 for WR5. That's a bit rich to me in general, but especialy with his roster and what is now one young WR instead of two.
You need studs/hammers when only starting 7 and 1 is a QB and one is a TE. So that leaves 5... Tee Higgins is OK but he's not a difference maker. I like Tee if this was a start 10.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s exactly the point I was making, thanks for the more succinct phrasing.
I own 3 shares of MHJ in dynasty. Zero Nabers, have never owned Tee. So I sure as heck hope you are right and not me and this works out for you.
But I do think Tee's value/cost was built into his upcoming FA status and the main thing dragging his value down is people are tired of the injuries. Last year people were assuming he'd be leaving after the season was over and he was WR11. There are sitautions that not being the #2 banana to Chase can greatly improve his situation, even if he takes a step back at QB. Would I prefer Tee on say NE with Maye throwing to him as the bona fide #1 vs his current sitaution for example? Yes I would.
Higgins was no doubt your WR1 before the trade in dynasty and not close. It is close in redraft value, consensus value in FFPC has them bunched together and going within 7 picks of each other. Personally I'd put Diggs last, but regardless those are two old WR's which is why Higgins value over them in dynasty is pretty clear cut to me.
The gap between Nabers and MHJ from a talent angle is just not that large to me but think it's crazy talk to to say Nabers won't be valuable for 4-5 years. He's a major redraft target for me and I'd much rather pay his redraft cost the MHJ's. I know plenty of people who prefer Nabers straight up in dynasty, some of them who picked him straight up over MHJ and I there is nothing about that which lead me to shake my head and thinks that a bad call. Honestly the biggest thing that separates the two of them for me in dynasty value is that I worry a little about Nabers off the field, especially in NY, just seems like a combustible personality.
I have Nabers as my WR2 in this draft class but if we took Nabers out and put Rome in his place I'd still have liked the other side more, just think with Rome you might have to wait a year, maybe.
Again, hope I hope MHJ is so great that I'm wrong here.
Again, hope you are right but I'd have been more exicted taking over a team with Nabers and Higgins as my young WR core instead of Marvin and bunch of olds.
Did not agree with any of it.
I really did not agree with anything you said but you especially this part, not that I see Tee as bench but even if I did.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
lol - all good.
I believe the smaller the lineup, the more important it is to have absolute studs at every spot.
That said, I’m also of the belief that Higgins will be a stud next year when he’s the WR1 on another team.
Big Nate
Footballguy
I'll try to explain the rational behind it. Since there are so few starting spots in his league (5), you need guys that will smash. You need difference makers. He's required to start 2 RBs and 2 WRs and a PPR flex (Non-SF). So likely a WR in the flex.
You want the 5 best guys possible. He's banking on MHJ being that guy that will smash. He decided him over Nabors due to the offense and QB being better in ARI. (Side note, I think the difference here is that you value Nabors a lot more than he does or maybe others do and that is totally fine. I'm not arguing it and maybe Nabors + Tee works out long term if Tee gets traded. That is the fun part about dynasty is options on how to build your team). He is worried about Nabors getting a bunch of garbage targets (a la Wilson and Adams last year) that don't really make a difference in the end because their teams were so bad. Less opportunities to score TDs as well.
So, they made a trade to get their guy in MHJ and I can't fault him for that. If MHJ turns into the next Jefferson he's going to be laughing all the way to the bank. Again thats the fun part about dynasty - go get your guys.
Now back to the starting 5 spots. He needs the best 3 WRs possible. As much as I'm rooting for Tee he's never finished as a WR1 and he's struggled to stay healthy. He's not a difference maker (yet) but maybe an OK option at flex. But with small benches and small starting rosters there will be options on waivers where the replacement doesn't make that much of a difference game to game. There will be older vets that can be acquired for cheap that can fill in at flex that can give similar pts as Tee has historically given.
If you are in a start 5 (not including TE, QB, DST, K) go look at the top 3 teams and see how stacked they are. Unless Higgins gets traded and ends up as a teams #1 AND stays healthy he isn't a difference maker(yet) in this type of league. He's not a league winner. He's one of many WR2s that are "fine" to put in your flex.
If this was a start 10 where you start 1QB, 2 RBs, 2WRs, 1TE, 3 Flex (R/W/T) and 1 SF then a guy like Tee Higgins is much more valuable as he is a fantastic flex play. In this scenario everyone could be potentially starting 5 WRs. These leagues usually have deep benches as well where people are hoarding depth. Much harder to get a replacement WR.
In his league if everyone starts the max WRs (3 x 10 that is 30). So WR30 overall is where the line is drawn. Some stacked teams will be starting multiple WR1s. Then with shallow benches people can't hoard players making more available on waivers.
Hope that makes sense. Again I don't dislike Nabors or Tee - they both could eventually be good long term but the NFL has valued MHJ higher and he's in a better offense to start his career so I don't fault someone for moving up to 1.01 in this case.
Like I said in my first post those of us how play in standard FFPC have been playing in a format pretty similar to this for the last decade. Only real difference is one less starter which I don't think is that big of a deal.
I'm here to tell you after about 15 years of playing in this format that high end bench play matters. Especially now because frankly what you might think is your high end bench may turn out to be your studs and vice versa and that's before even getting into inevitable injures and bye weeks.
I specifically absolutely reject two notions being floated around about this trade.
The first is that Tee is some kine of depth piece and replacement level type. In again what is a similar format, but one that is TEP which if anything pushes him down a bit,he's going as player 54 in redrafts. Which means in a 12 team league his average value is that of the average teams 4th to 5th best starter even if your team was 100% healthy and had no bye weeks. So I'm out on this talk that's he merely some kind of depth piece.
Secondly while I totally agree on the importance of studs I'm not seeing a Lamb or Jefferson being aquired here. I'm seeing a high end prospect in MHJ who has stud "potential". We don't actually know if he or Nabers wil be studs, I think both will be, the draft capital for players chosen where they are for that position usually is a stud. But I don't understand how this talk has turned into something aking to turning Nabers into MHJ went from getting a stud when you did not have one before. I'd probably peg MHJ's chances of beign a stud in the 90% range and Nabers in the 85% range and odds Nabers is better in the 40% range. But somehow it's like people are acting like you went from no studs with pick 2 to a stud and I'm not buying that.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
BRB- going to look at trading for Tee Higgins.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’ve been considering floating an offer.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
Why is there a Nabers-MHJ dichotomy? Odunze wasn't a possibility? I mean, I guess if MHJ lives up to the hype and isn't double and triple teamed then yeah it works as a trade but I feel like you gave up a lot to move up a slot. Maybe I'm just being very nitpicky here but I think you should have tried to get maybe a little more compensation...another late pick, another player. So I feel a little bit like he got a little better of a deal but maybe MHJ just goes bonkers and it just works out for everyone.
I'm playing dynasty this year which means you guys get to listen to all my stupid dynasty opinions now. Sorry in advance.
I'm playing dynasty this year which means you guys get to listen to all my stupid dynasty opinions now. Sorry in advance.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
MHJ isn't by himself on some island in Arizona. They have one of the best up and comers at TE as well as a couple guys (Dorch, Wilson, Jones) who fill in a WR2 nicely. My gut reaction is that ARI's WR room is solidly a tier above NYG. Dude is in a great position to take the WR1 lead role on that team with a lot of supporting cast. Odunze, on the other hand goes to a team with quite possibly the best WR room in the league. Nabers, on the other hand, goes into a WR room that's been pretty solidly lacking anyone who has stepped up (yet). Don't even get me started on the QB situations.
All that to say, we can't predict how each player makes the adjustment to NFL play, but we as FFL GMs, can and will value guys with talent and a good situation higher than others.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
With a bit of patience, I have Rome as WR1 in this draft.
