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Interesting, especially without knowing landing spots. Hock has a few good targets to share with so I can understand not being excited about the likely lower ceiling. I am not quite ready to put either rookie ahead of him until I see where they land, and there are only a handful of spots that would cause me to make that move.
Same.
Counterpoint: rookie TEs are slow to develop, notoriously fickle in upside, rarely deliver on promise, and sometimes landing spot doesn’t even help.
This, for sure. Hock was TE4 in 2023 and missed week 18. He'll be in a great offense with essentially a rookie QB who will likely lean on his TE escape valve. 2025 will be his 28YO season, so he has at least 3-4 more left in the tank. I'm buying Hock right now if I'm a contender or someone who can turn around a roster in a year or two.
He's not really a proven commodity coming off his injury, new QB, emergence of Addison and possibly stronger running attack
I don’t fault you for that mentality - it’s one I share at just about every other position.
That is the issue in particular at the tight end position. The number of “great prospects” I have fallen for is mind numbing. As you mentioned and seems to be true, this position is not normally an instant gratification either. So you draft a guy and the have to wait and hope the flower blooms. Out of all the positions, the this is the one I would rather be older and proven versus recycling to get younger and hope they evolve (and/or are in a system which emphasizes and incorporates that position frequently in the game plan).
I don't think he's an overly talented player to be honest. Ok, just found himself finally in a high volume spot that may not longer be such high volume any longer. He'll probalby be just fine as you say, but I feel like I can find "just fine" if I need to but one of these rookie TE's has a shot to be more transformative for a longer duration.
Exactly.
Yeah, I don’t mind that stance at all - probably worth investigating if you’re risk tolerant and have a backup plan in Ferguson.
I hope you sent them flowers afterwards.
Wow. That’s a haul for ARSB.
A nice bottle of tequila to drown his sorrows
On bolded, that's generally my thought process.
Giving Addison (who has a lot of guys to share with and a dum dum factor) to gain 3 years on great running back…don’t mind it. Good time to add Jeudy as a throw-in after the Winston-effect run. You also get Allgeier as insurance. JT is a great back but will either have Richardson stealing TDs or starting over next year with a rookie QB and probably a new coaching staff. It is fairly close imo, but likely a trade I would take as well.
Between him and Josh Allen, the two of them won many weeks towards the end of the season against many of my best squads across formats and rendered them dead. The two of them broke FF last year. It was actually quite impressive to watch if not horribly defeating lol Chase all day in this trade I don't think it's that close
It is the trust and connection that Goff/ARSB share that makes him productive imo, I do not think that changes.
Team A may be getting the player with the most production up to this point, but I think it can easily be argued Team B is getting the two best players. If GMs had their choice how do you think the three would rank?
Probably sounds a bit shock jock-ish but I've never been a ARSB guy. He's obviously shoved it up my *** thus far but without Ben Johnson this is the year he fades!
Agreed.It is the trust and connection that Goff/ARSB share that makes him productive imo, I do not think that changes.
Team A may be getting the player with the most production up to this point, but I think it can easily be argued Team B is getting the two best players. If GMs had their choice how do you think the three would rank?
Probably sounds a bit shock jock-ish but I've never been a ARSB guy. He's obviously shoved it up my *** thus far but without Ben Johnson this is the year he fades!
Poor Javonte Williams…..Agreed.It is the trust and connection that Goff/ARSB share that makes him productive imo, I do not think that changes.
Team A may be getting the player with the most production up to this point, but I think it can easily be argued Team B is getting the two best players. If GMs had their choice how do you think the three would rank?
Probably sounds a bit shock jock-ish but I've never been a ARSB guy. He's obviously shoved it up my *** thus far but without Ben Johnson this is the year he fades!
ARSB is the most productive player in that deal and IMO it’s not going to change.
Tee is a WR2 on his own team, and has had trouble staying on the field.
GW could absolutely be that guy, but I don’t believe it’ll be with Fields. It’s possible, but it’s hard to gamble on it given the Jets inability to build a competitive offense. I know there are good excuses for it, and certainly the arrow is pointing up a bit - but the Lions offense is next level.
Meanwhile ARSB & Goff have a magical connection working right now. Dude is tough as nails, and seems to be an iron man type who would go out and play on 1 leg if it meant winning. Huge chip on his shoulder, earned every snap he gets type.
All that said, I did say it was a haul for ARSB, and one I’d consider taking - more than fair, IMO it’s an overpay. I still like ARSB more but that’s just personal vibes.
In superflex, I'm on the Penix side, but it really depends on the team makeup. I'd pay Penix to get Kraft and 1.10 if I was TE needy for sure.
My team only had 1 starting QB (unless Jones beats out Richardson) and this is my roster after the trade. I assume you would have stayed on the Penix side with this roster?
Daniels and its not close IMO. His upside from rushing yards and TDs easily puts him over Burrow IMO. Plus he's 4 years younger.
Scoring matters
12 team PPR dynasty
Team A gets: Mixon, Diggs, 1.10 pick
Team B gets: Conner, Charbonnet, 1.9 pick
Never understand why some guys move youth for aging seniors in dynasty leagues but here you go
I like your side much better. If competing I would hope you have two more solid options than Wilson.
Nice upgrade for minimal cost.
Thanks, I liked my side. I have Hurts and Nix. Trying to get younger and rebuild.
12 team PPR dynasty
Team A gets: Mixon, Diggs, 1.10 pick
Team B gets: Conner, Charbonnet, 1.9 pick
Never understand why some guys move youth for aging seniors in dynasty leagues but here you go
I'm not mad at either side, TBH. If I was a RB away, I'd be ok moving up to take Jeanty and moving down to take BPA (probably another RB). On the flip side, if I needed QBs, I'd be ok moving down to 1.02 to get Ward and possibly Sanders at 1.04. Seems pretty even and quite dependent on each team's makeup.
Fair but if I had the 1.1 (unless I was just crazy deep at RB) I would want more (like maybe a 2nd added)
Stroud easily.
Same - in what's seen as a very thin draft, 1.01 is a bit more valuable.
Stroud for me. I am not high on Tua, I have concerns about the concussions and question what his upside is now, and post-Hill retirement.
