Da Franchise
Footballguy
Just for context, I traded for him a week ago giving up 2026 late 1st and 2nd. I think you did fine if you’re not contending.
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Just for context, I traded for him a week ago giving up 2026 late 1st and 2nd. I think you did fine if you’re not contending.
Congrat's! Hope you at least bought the other owner dinner and flowers first...
I was literally typing up a response to this post when the post below appeared.Update: I started to put this deal together in the MFL app. I looked at it, got an uncomfortable rumbling in my stomach, and closed the app. It just felt icky.man… now I’m tempted to throw a 2027 1st at the Henry shareholder. They’d mentioned wanting to move him.
What I was going to tell you was good that you pulled that offer. For one I'd rather trade a 2026 first then a 2027 first but that's the secondary part. If you are acquiring a win now player with a future pick, unless the deal is just a steal you need to close before someone else in your league does, I would never do that now. Just all kinds of reasons for why I think the timing is not good vs doing it in-season.
So I don't hate what you paid but I don't like the timing of it for again for multiple reasons ranging from chance the win now player gets hurt in camp, giving your team a chance to see if it needs the win now player, trade opportunities that might open up to team that get out of the gate poorly and how they might covet that pick. Short version just like the flexibility of the future pick right now knowing it can be turned into a win now player later.
I'd have kept this opinion to myself fwiw but it just happened to contradict what I was in the middle of responding to.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
I was literally typing up a response to this post when the post below appeared.Update: I started to put this deal together in the MFL app. I looked at it, got an uncomfortable rumbling in my stomach, and closed the app. It just felt icky.man… now I’m tempted to throw a 2027 1st at the Henry shareholder. They’d mentioned wanting to move him.
What I was going to tell you was good that you pulled that offer. For one I'd rather trade a 2026 first then a 2027 first but that's the secondary part. If you are acquiring a win now player with a future pick, unless the deal is just a steal you need to close before someone else in your league does, I would never do that now. Just all kinds of reasons for why I think the timing is not good vs doing it in-season.
So I don't hate what you paid but I don't like the timing of it for again for multiple reasons ranging from chance the win now player gets hurt in camp, giving your team a chance to see if it needs the win now player, trade opportunities that might open up to team that get out of the gate poorly and how they might covet that pick. Short version just like the flexibility of the future pick right now knowing it can be turned into a win now player later.
I'd have kept this opinion to myself fwiw but it just happened to contradict what I was in the middle of responding to.
No worries, I left out lots of context and it’s a pretty uncharacteristic move for me. Weird league, easily the most disparity between teams I’ve seen, so I’m in an arms race with one or two other teams. I missed out on CMC and didn’t want to go 0-2 in that department. Tried to get them both actually but the price was too high.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
Nice haul!
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I still think Henry can dominate for another couple years. He's special. All of my teams are competitive so I'd rather hold than take 1.07. But I wouldn't be moving for him either.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
Right before cut down in an empire league Henry went for 2.03. Thought that was a weak return considering the team that traded him away has only Tracy, Montgomery and Tucker at RB and no first round pick.
Protest worthy, checking to see trade history of teams kind of thing. Stinky.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I love Jeanty a lot but don't think I'd be selling Hall to move up 2 spots. Especially with only pick 24 coming back and not SF so less talented players to go in the top rounds that are worthy of those picks.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Hard to do with that RB room but good move. I have King Henry and would take that for him but not sure many people are willing to give that up for him at his age.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
How is this even a thing. I hate leagues were this type of deal gets done.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah this one is shady.
Turbo Punch
Footballguy
The first offer I received included Achane and Brown plus some other pieces that didn't really work for my team. He wanted the 1.03 pick, Charbs, Waddle, Bigsby. I was very reluctant to trade the 1.03 pick because I believe there will be a very good player available at that spot. We went back and forth about 7 times and this is where we landed.
Obviously, I thought this was in my best interest which is why I made the trade, but I truly don't think it's as lopsided as some of the comments I've seen here.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You truly don’t think it’s lopsided? Waddle & 1.03 + a bunch of borderline roster cloggers for AJB & Achane, and somehow still got a 1st back?
Looking at FBG’s default rankings its
1.03
Pierce - WR84
Waddle - WR28
Bigsby - RB41
Chabonet - RB27
Sanders - TE30
For
1.10
ABJ - WR13
Achane - RB4
And Conner - RB30 as a toss-in
Assuming a 12-team league that’s a WR7, a RB3, a RB4, and a RB3
For
A WR1-2, a clear RB1 & a RB3.
Probably looked good in the trade calc, but stacking up 6 quarters for a dollar is rarely ever a good deal for the team getting the quarters. In this case it’s more like 6 quarters for $2.75
For giggles I just ran it through my favorite calc, (which also accounts for the +2 roster spots you gained) and I generously assumed TEP.
It came out
Your side: 603.98
Your trade partner: 355.26
Even without the 1.10 coming back to you, it comes out 545.9 to 355.26
Now, trade calcs aren’t perfect but even at a glance this looks pretty lopsided. I see KTS likes it, but KTS is trash, and it’s still a 6 for 3 deal.
Folks in your league are probably pretty miffed at both of you right now. I know I would be.
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Yeah, I thought about calling this one protest worthy but held back a little bit. I think you can easily argue that Achane is worth more than the 1.03 + Waddle (who everyone is very down on at the moment), and AJB is worth more than the rest combined. Then you get the 1.10 and Conner on top?
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Turbo Punch
Footballguy
I can't say that I disagree with you since I took the trade, but I did have to think twice because is it really so hard to imagine a scenario where Charbonnet and Bigsby become the lead backs which happened last season for part of the year and the 1.03 pick turns into a stud, Also very possible Waddle returns to 2023 form.
Thanks for your feedback. There was no collusion here so no real reason to protest the trade.
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oof. Yeah that stings.
2nd's on the wrong side for sure. Pickens still brings in a late 1st in most leagues, can't see anyone paying a 1st for Sutton especially with him turning 30 this year.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Waddle might explode this year if Tyreek hiccups with his domestic whatever it is. IMHO Tank Bigsby is criminally undervalued right now. I have him as the 1a in the Jags backfield. Sanders might take a big step this year at TE. Charb and Pierce are throw ins but pretty high quality. And 1.03 is going to be a stud. AJ Brown scares me a little, Achane scares me a little, Conner yes just a toss in and 1.10 isn't terrible and I've said I think you can find a starter at 1.10.
I don't disagree with your assessment but I do think there are a couple potentially bad FBG rankings on that first side.
Here is how I see it breaking down:
AJ Brown = Waddle + Charb
Achane + 1.10 = Bigsby + 1.03 + Sanders
Connor >> Pierce
That's as favorable of a devil's advocate as I can get here but I'd take Brown and Achane as well. Just saying I don't think it's so terrible.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Team A
ghostguy123
Footballguy
FFPC single QB
Joe Burrow and Tony Pollard
For
Xavier Worthy and 3.08
Joe Burrow and Tony Pollard
For
Xavier Worthy and 3.08
ghostguy123
Footballguy
FFPC single QB, startup pick trade (draft starts in a week).
1.06 and 8.07
for
3.03, 5.03, and a 2026 1st
1.06 and 8.07
for
3.03, 5.03, and a 2026 1st
barackdhouse
Footballguy
My franchise point system shows it as dead even:
Waddle 23
Pierce 11
Tank 20
Charb 18
Sanders 11
1.03 35
TOTAL 118
AJ Brown 32
Achane 35
Conner 14
1.10 23
2 roster spots 14
TOTAL 118
Hindery's April trade value chart shows it as 77-54 and a free AJ Brown.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, that sounds about right.
It didn’t pass the eye test so I wasn’t at all shocked it didn’t pass the calc or value chart test.
That said, KTC had it even too - because with either system you can keep stacking pieces until the values match.
Are 10 dimes worth $1? Not in my opinion.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
1 QB probably fair. Burrow is still probably a bit more valuable just because he’s a consistent high performer. But it’s fair.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I don't think it was an FFPC trade so I should point out that my system is catered to FFPC dynasty with roster spots being worth 7 as a baseline. So someone like Sanders at 11 is basically barely rosterable in this format. I do have players listed as less than 7 meaning I don't think they should be rostered. Conner might only need a game or two to get knocked down to 7. The draft could do it this week as well.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah I used FBG because we’re on here, not because I think their rankings are infallible.
I, too, can squint really hard and see a world where Bigsby is the 1A, but that’s still a RBBC back in what’s currently a pretty mediocre offense with a QB that hasn’t been developing at the pace most expected.
I can also look at Charbs and see a scenario where KWIII gets hurt again and Charbs gains value.
I’m skeptical about Sanders, but hey, it’s possible.
Regardless, trading 2 bona fide studs for a handful of maybes is generally a poor deal for the team getting the maybes.
As for Hill, nothing will happen from the legal woes - it just never does. No charges were pressed IIRC, the whole thing went away. NFL will do nothing. IMO the bigger issue there is whether he’s serious about demanding a trade. If that happens (MIA says it won’t) then sure - Waddle becomes the 1. And will see significantly more coverage. And will come up limping after every tackle, as is his way. And who knows if Tua is going to progress, regress, or get concussed.
Anyway, I’ve beaten this horse to death.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
No, but 3 quarters 2 dimes and 1 nickel might be. I think each of Waddle, Tank and 1.03 have the chance to be dollars themselves. Brown and Achane already are though.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Give me Burrow.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Interesting one, I have never been in a startup draft. But I'm pretty sure I'd want the 1.06 and 8.07.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
The offense and QB suck for sure, but I don't care when the 1A running back is close to free. The squinting would be to see a world where he isn't the 1A. That ought to be the default position right now but it isn't. I don't need to squint, it's just the way it is today. The biggest risk is that they draft over him but since they suck it would seemingly be other positions they'd go after. (I've said that last sentence many times over the years and then the team in question totally takes a RB high).
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
that’s fair. I’m just saying there’s some copium built into the equation.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Yeah these are always interesting cause ya never know who will be around at the picks.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Whoops… Missed that it was a startup. Disregard
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Startup draft, not a rookie draft
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Seems fair, depends on your approach/style. I might like the multiple picks as I tend to trade a lot in startups but hard to say for sure. Not FFPC, but another site's startup ADP you're looking at probably the WR4~5 or RB1~2 at 1.06 (Puka, ARSB, Nico or a Bijan/Gibbs) plus one of (Warren, Shakir, Mooney, Swift, AJones) vs guys like (Josh Allen, Jonathon Taylor, Odunze, Devonta, Bucky) plus one of (Tyreek, Reed, Mahomes, LaPorta) + a 1st. I probably would have pushed for 2.09 over the 3.03 if I could though, looking at ADP I see a big tier break right around that 2-3 turn IMO.
Sold I’ll take Maye & TJ
