****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (7 Viewers)

[menobrown]

Ouch, I definitely prefer White Bigsby and Ford. A little less on Ford unless he gets traded somewhere interesting but yeah. The cutline on this squad just got a little thinner though because I just did this:

FWIW Spears above them is for sure my opinion, but it's not unique and is in fact the majority consensus opinion at least if you think ADP startup data is a barometer. For me Bigsby is only one I have much interest in and it's not high because of his lack of receiving ability and crowded situation but he at least he is young and ran well.. White's value at this point is hoping he lands well in FA next year as a 27 year old, his role is now reduced to pure situational passing downs, unplayable and I'm not sure even the handcuff any longer. And Ford? Man, we all need someone in our lives who loves us like you do Ford, lol. Seriously you have to be higher on him then anyone in the whole wide world except his family members.

I'm sure not trying to make the case Spears is greatness. But to me he's shown well in spurts, did end last year with some big games and is a young RB with pass catching chops and I think the OL will shot itself to be a strength. But again not saying he's all that, I'd put his value in the range of like an early 3rd round rookie pick, which is higher then I'd put anyone of these other RB's or players not named Kincaid that were in that trade.

I gave 2026 2nd (mine)
I got Tre Harris

I do like this move, seems like an easy move to make due to WR value and no real cost or penalty for immediate return of second round value instead of waiting a year.

Lol so I have 8 RBs, 10 WRs, 7 TEs and 3 QBs.

Even without making trades and possible injury/IR spots I think you'll be able to find space with that RB group but understand that's easier for me to say because I got a different opinion on them. My guy like your Ford is Dameon Pierce. I checked the other day and out of 822 FFPC rookie drafts he was only drafted 22 times and I'm going to assume he was available in almost all 822. I have 5 teams out of this 822 and I personally accounted for 22.7% of the teams drafting Pierce, and this does not include the two private run FFPC format leagues I drafted him. Put another way if I was not in the league there was a 2% chance anyone wanted to draft Pierce. I'm not even sure how much I can keep him but I don't understand that other people don't understand why he has value and I imagine that's how you feel about Ford.

 

[smbkrypt24]

12 team PPR dynasty league

Gave: McConkey, 1.11, 1st in 2026
Got: Chase, Mixon, 3rd in 2026

I would prefer a 2027 first over 1.11, but I may make this trade if rebuilding and needing help everywhere.

 

[barackdhouse]

Ouch, I definitely prefer White Bigsby and Ford. A little less on Ford unless he gets traded somewhere interesting but yeah. The cutline on this squad just got a little thinner though because I just did this:

FWIW Spears above them is for sure my opinion, but it's not unique and is in fact the majority consensus opinion at least if you think ADP startup data is a barometer. For me Bigsby is only one I have much interest in and it's not high because of his lack of receiving ability and crowded situation but he at least he is young and ran well.. White's value at this point is hoping he lands well in FA next year as a 27 year old, his role is now reduced to pure situational passing downs, unplayable and I'm not sure even the handcuff any longer. And Ford? Man, we all need someone in our lives who loves us like you do Ford, lol. Seriously you have to be higher on him then anyone in the whole wide world except his family members.

I'm sure not trying to make the case Spears is greatness. But to me he's shown well in spurts, did end last year with some big games and is a young RB with pass catching chops and I think the OL will shot itself to be a strength. But again not saying he's all that, I'd put his value in the range of like an early 3rd round rookie pick, which is higher then I'd put anyone of these other RB's or players not named Kincaid that were in that trade.

I gave 2026 2nd (mine)
I got Tre Harris

I do like this move, seems like an easy move to make due to WR value and no real cost or penalty for immediate return of second round value instead of waiting a year.

Lol so I have 8 RBs, 10 WRs, 7 TEs and 3 QBs.

Even without making trades and possible injury/IR spots I think you'll be able to find space with that RB group but understand that's easier for me to say because I got a different opinion on them. My guy like your Ford is Dameon Pierce. I checked the other day and out of 822 FFPC rookie drafts he was only drafted 22 times and I'm going to assume he was available in almost all 822. I have 5 teams out of this 822 and I personally accounted for 22.7% of the teams drafting Pierce, and this does not include the two private run FFPC format leagues I drafted him. Put another way if I was not in the league there was a 2% chance anyone wanted to draft Pierce. I'm not even sure how much I can keep him but I don't understand that other people don't understand why he has value and I imagine that's how you feel about Ford.

haha good stuff, yeah I know what you mean. I like Ford the player and don't have any hope for him in Cleveland except that he seems like the only one that can catch passes. There is a high probability he doesn't make my week 1 roster if he is still in Cleveland and if the reports on the two rookies are positive. Ford is a good football player and can fill a role but that's about it. His main positive in my mind like I said is he is the only one catching passes and the only one with any experience, so he *might* have value there. But he probably never makes my starting lineup even if that all happens. He is a better football player than the community thinks. That doesn't mean he is the future or that Cleveland was going to see it that way. He is basically JAG but can carry the ball when needed in a way I don't think Spears can or will. In addition to the passing down skills.

The community is upside down on Rachaad White because he cost them more than he has paid off and they're still pissed. He's the clear backup this year but he's still going to get 120 carries and at least 50 receptions and has a lot of TD upside in a good offense. I also have zero faith beyond 2025 but I don't see Spears ever approaching anything close to what he will do, not just what he has done. White still gets entire drives to himself while Bucky does the same but gets 2 or 3 for every 1 of Whites. As backup RBs go, those are the kind I want, that stay on the field the whole drive. Like Gibbs/Monty. Even more true in shootout game scripts. If I'm wrong and Tucker takes that role, I'll actually be ecstatic, just not for this one share of White. People hate his guts but he will easily outscore Spears Ford and probably Bigsby this year IMHO. And he might actually see my starting lineup. In 2025. After that he will be a roster clogger unless he lands really really well but I'm not holding my breath. Another play for me might be to try to flip him in-season early if he does anything worthwhile. Everyone needs RBs. But they hate him so I'm probably stuck with him. Could do worse.

And Bigsby yeah nothing too exciting and he might not even be the 1st down banger anymore if Tuten takes over the backfield. I don't see a path to 100 carries for Spears and with only limited opportunities in the passing game because it's the Titans, I can see rostering him, and to your point he was not cut in any of my FFPC leagues, but I just don't see a world where I want him in my lineup, whereas I really might need that roster spot for a WR to insert, even if it's a really ****ty WR. Starting 3 WRs each week is tough when you hold 8 RBs!! Would I want those other guys in my lineup? White yes the other two no. But I like their paths much better. And that isn't saying a lot because my guess is Bigsby and Ford both wash out of the league within the next 2 years.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Big one in my main league. Start 1 QB:

Jayden Daniels and the 2.10
for
Trevor Lawrence and the 1.2

 

[Bossman]

Holly Heck ... what's with all the 2027 rookie picks being traded already?

 

[menobrown]

The community is upside down on Rachaad White because he cost them more than he has paid off and they're still pissed. He's the clear backup this year but he's still going to get 120 carries and at least 50 receptions and has a lot of TD upside in a good offense. I also have zero faith beyond 2025 but I don't see Spears ever approaching anything close to what he will do, not just what he has done. White still gets entire drives to himself while Bucky does the same but gets 2 or 3 for every 1 of Whites. As backup RBs go, those are the kind I want, that stay on the field the whole drive. Like Gibbs/Monty. Even more true in shootout game scripts. If I'm wrong and Tucker takes that role, I'll actually be ecstatic, just not for this one share of White. People hate his guts but he will easily outscore Spears Ford and probably Bigsby this year IMHO. And he might actually see my starting lineup. In 2025. After that he will be a roster clogger unless he lands really really well but I'm not holding my breath. Another play for me might be to try to flip him in-season early if he does anything worthwhile. Everyone needs RBs. But they hate him so I'm probably stuck with him. Could do worse.

I think they made a noticeable and significant change to their RB usage near the end of the season and my expectation is it continues.

White's last 3 games, all healthy as far as I know, not on the injury report:

6 carries, 1 catch

0 carries, 0 catches

1 carry, 2 catches

All 3 were his lowest three snap count games of the year.

I think that's his new reality and I can tell you I'm not basing that stance on any kind of hate.

Can't recall source but a beat writer for them who thought Tucker could take the backup job, that it was more of open battle. That I'm not sure about it the outcome.

 

[titusbramble]

Holly Heck ... what's with all the 2027 rookie picks being traded already?

Well in our case it's because the 2028 rookie picks don't become available until the draft is done

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Big one in my main league. Start 1 QB:

Jayden Daniels and the 2.10
for
Trevor Lawrence and the 1.2

Gimme Jayden. I’ve lost faith in TLaw being a great FF QB. I do believe he’s a 10+-year starter in the NFL, and may even have NFL success.

But NFL success doesn’t put trophy’s in my imaginary FF trophy case. Daniels has the FF juice.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Holly Heck ... what's with all the 2027 rookie picks being traded already?

Well in our case it's because the 2028 rookie picks don't become available until the draft is done

EXACTLY!

I’m at the point of offering foot massages for picks in the group chats. Hell, I just traded 3 players to get a 2026 pick, so I could then trade that pick for a player because I’m almost out of future picks.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Can't recall source but a beat writer for them who thought Tucker could take the backup job, that it was more of open battle. That I'm not sure about it the outcome.

I remember reading that as well - and Tucker got some love in trades in all my leagues at the time because of it.

I don’t want any TB back except Bucky.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

16 team SF PPR TEP IDP start 11/11 w/big play IDP scoring

The one I acquired Hutch & Bernard

1. I gave: EJ Speed + Tranquil + Thibodeaux
I rec’d: 2026 2nd

2. I gave: 2026 2nd
I rec’d: Kyle Pitts

My only start-able TEs were Jonnu & Henry, and that’s no plan for the future at 29 & 31. Pitts owner in a full tear-down told me a 2nd would get it done, so I went to work.

I also cleared 2 more roster spots, down from 60 to 54. One more to go before the season starts & I think I’m gonna put Hunter Henry on the block for a pick.

 

[Birdie048]

12 Team 1 QB 0.5 PPR TE+
Rookie Draft Underway
(Going SF 2026)

Team 1 - Gave up 2026 1st & 2nd + Russ Wilson (both picks projected late 8-11 range)
Team 2 - Gave up 1.04
(Chi TE Colston Loveland selected)

Not involved but I don’t understand giving up the 1.04 for that

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 Team 1 QB 0.5 PPR TE+
Rookie Draft Underway
(Going SF 2026)

Team 1 - Gave up 2026 1st & 2nd + Russ Wilson (both picks projected late 8-11 range)
Team 2 - Gave up 1.04
(Chi TE Colston Loveland selected)

Not involved but I don’t understand giving up the 1.04 for that

Honestly, I don’t love the whole “moving to SF” thing.

It’s such a dramatically different format. Should be a full disbursal ~> slow draft start-up.

I understand people have worked hard on their teams, and it’s hard to let go, but it’s so… messy.

Either start a new league & keep this one the same, or throw everyone back and start over.

/rant

 

[Birdie048]

12 Team 1 QB 0.5 PPR TE+
Rookie Draft Underway
(Going SF 2026)

Honestly, I don’t love the whole “moving to SF” thing.

It’s such a dramatically different format. Should be a full disbursal ~> slow draft start-up.

I understand people have worked hard on their teams, and it’s hard to let go, but it’s so… messy.

Either start a new league & keep this one the same, or throw everyone back and start over.

/rant

League vote in 2023 received 10 of 11 member votes (Commissioner sat out). All members knew it was coming (1 new league member since & he likes it).

Personally I like the shift as I prepared for it at less cost when it was known.
For example drafted Drake Maye 2.06 and hold TLaw & JLove at QB

Several owners need QBs and it will cost them more now since they waited.

But I see the idea of starting over, but then those who traded away future picks would get a “re-do” without consequences

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 Team 1 QB 0.5 PPR TE+
Rookie Draft Underway
(Going SF 2026)

Honestly, I don’t love the whole “moving to SF” thing.

It’s such a dramatically different format. Should be a full disbursal ~> slow draft start-up.

I understand people have worked hard on their teams, and it’s hard to let go, but it’s so… messy.

Either start a new league & keep this one the same, or throw everyone back and start over.

/rant

League vote in 2023 received 10 of 11 member votes (Commissioner sat out). All members knew it was coming (1 new league member since & he likes it).

Personally I like the shift as I prepared for it at less cost when it was known.
For example drafted Drake Maye 2.06 and hold TLaw & JLove at QB

Several owners need QBs and it will cost them more now since they waited.

But I see the idea of starting over, but then those who traded away future picks would get a “re-do” without consequences

Yeah, I remember you telling me about it at the time and my reaction was the same then.

And yeah, I get the transition would be harder and in effect punish those who’ve traded well. That’s a fair point.

 

[mjb03003]

16 team SF PPR TEP IDP start 11/11 w/big play IDP scoring

The one I acquired Hutch & Bernard

1. I gave: EJ Speed + Tranquil + Thibodeaux
I rec’d: 2026 2nd

2. I gave: 2026 2nd
I rec’d: Kyle Pitts

My only start-able TEs were Jonnu & Henry, and that’s no plan for the future at 29 & 31. Pitts owner in a full tear-down told me a 2nd would get it done, so I went to work.

I also cleared 2 more roster spots, down from 60 to 54. One more to go before the season starts & I think I’m gonna put Hunter Henry on the block for a pick.

A fellow Kyle Pitts buyer. G’day sir.

I don’t think you gave up any exciting IDP players in the top one. Why not grab an extra 2nd.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

A fellow Kyle Pitts buyer. G’day sir.

I don’t think you gave up any exciting IDP players in the top one. Why not grab an extra 2nd.

The top one begat the bottom one.

I turned my LB6 & LB 7 & DE4 into Pitts

 

[Dez]

16 team SF PPR TEP IDP start 11/11 w/big play IDP scoring

The one I acquired Hutch & Bernard

1. I gave: EJ Speed + Tranquil + Thibodeaux
I rec’d: 2026 2nd

2. I gave: 2026 2nd
I rec’d: Kyle Pitts

My only start-able TEs were Jonnu & Henry, and that’s no plan for the future at 29 & 31. Pitts owner in a full tear-down told me a 2nd would get it done, so I went to work.

I also cleared 2 more roster spots, down from 60 to 54. One more to go before the season starts & I think I’m gonna put Hunter Henry on the block for a pick.

A fellow Kyle Pitts buyer. G’day sir.

I don’t think you gave up any exciting IDP players in the top one. Why not grab an extra 2nd.

EJ Speed was #5 ranked LB in PPG last year at 16.5 PPG in my league. He switched teams to Houston so you never know how that works out but I think he is damn good IDP player.

 

[Dez]

A fellow Kyle Pitts buyer. G’day sir.

I don’t think you gave up any exciting IDP players in the top one. Why not grab an extra 2nd.

The top one begat the bottom one.

I turned my LB6 & LB 7 & DE4 into Pitts

Hard to believe the #5 LB in PPG (in my league at least) is your 6th best LB considering he is top 5 in the entire league last year (again according to my scoring system)
2 pts tackle, 1 per asst, 4 sack, 4 INT, 1.5 Pass DEF

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

16 team SF PPR TEP IDP start 11/11 w/big play IDP scoring

The one I acquired Hutch & Bernard

1. I gave: EJ Speed + Tranquil + Thibodeaux
I rec’d: 2026 2nd

2. I gave: 2026 2nd
I rec’d: Kyle Pitts

My only start-able TEs were Jonnu & Henry, and that’s no plan for the future at 29 & 31. Pitts owner in a full tear-down told me a 2nd would get it done, so I went to work.

I also cleared 2 more roster spots, down from 60 to 54. One more to go before the season starts & I think I’m gonna put Hunter Henry on the block for a pick.

A fellow Kyle Pitts buyer. G’day sir.

I don’t think you gave up any exciting IDP players in the top one. Why not grab an extra 2nd.

EJ Speed was #5 ranked LB in PPG last year at 16.5 PPG in my league. He switched teams to Houston so you never know how that works out but I think he is damn good IDP player.

I do too, but he’s 29, and I have:
Bernard, Azeez Al-Shaair, Ernest Jones, Henley, & Pace, and a couple taxi guys.

I love EJ, but I don’t need 6 LB as much as I need to get younger at TE. And Pitts upside for a 2nd seemed reasonable.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Hard to believe the #5 LB in PPG (in my league at least) is your 6th best LB considering he is top 5 in the entire league last year

On my roster he was my 6th due to age. And a little bit crowded HOU LB room.

Just saying, context matters.

 

[Dez]

16 team SF PPR TEP IDP start 11/11 w/big play IDP scoring

The one I acquired Hutch & Bernard

1. I gave: EJ Speed + Tranquil + Thibodeaux
I rec’d: 2026 2nd

2. I gave: 2026 2nd
I rec’d: Kyle Pitts

My only start-able TEs were Jonnu & Henry, and that’s no plan for the future at 29 & 31. Pitts owner in a full tear-down told me a 2nd would get it done, so I went to work.

I also cleared 2 more roster spots, down from 60 to 54. One more to go before the season starts & I think I’m gonna put Hunter Henry on the block for a pick.

A fellow Kyle Pitts buyer. G’day sir.

I don’t think you gave up any exciting IDP players in the top one. Why not grab an extra 2nd.

EJ Speed was #5 ranked LB in PPG last year at 16.5 PPG in my league. He switched teams to Houston so you never know how that works out but I think he is damn good IDP player.

I do too, but he’s 29, and I have:
Bernard, Azeez Al-Shaair, Ernest Jones, Henley, & Pace, and a couple taxi guys.

I love EJ, but I don’t need 6 LB as much as I need to get younger at TE. And Pitts upside for a 2nd seemed reasonable.

By my scoring system in PPG last year

Bernard 26th (13.7 PPG)
Al-Shaair 33rd (13.3 PPG)
Jones 21st (14.4 PPG)
Henley 17th (14.9 PPG)
Pace 52nd (11.4 PPG)

Last year Speed was your #1 LB by far but who knows what Houston does not sure why he left Indy to sign a $3.5 Million ($5 million with incentives) contract to become a backup but that is how he is listed on ourlads right now which is crazy how great he has been last 2 years.

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[Hot Sauce Guy]

16 team SF PPR TEP IDP start 11/11 w/big play IDP scoring

The one I acquired Hutch & Bernard

1. I gave: EJ Speed + Tranquil + Thibodeaux
I rec’d: 2026 2nd

2. I gave: 2026 2nd
I rec’d: Kyle Pitts

My only start-able TEs were Jonnu & Henry, and that’s no plan for the future at 29 & 31. Pitts owner in a full tear-down told me a 2nd would get it done, so I went to work.

I also cleared 2 more roster spots, down from 60 to 54. One more to go before the season starts & I think I’m gonna put Hunter Henry on the block for a pick.

A fellow Kyle Pitts buyer. G’day sir.

I don’t think you gave up any exciting IDP players in the top one. Why not grab an extra 2nd.

EJ Speed was #5 ranked LB in PPG last year at 16.5 PPG in my league. He switched teams to Houston so you never know how that works out but I think he is damn good IDP player.

I do too, but he’s 29, and I have:
Bernard, Azeez Al-Shaair, Ernest Jones, Henley, & Pace, and a couple taxi guys.

I love EJ, but I don’t need 6 LB as much as I need to get younger at TE. And Pitts upside for a 2nd seemed reasonable.

By my scoring system in PPG last year

Bernard 26th (13.7 PPG)
Al-Shaair 33rd (13.3 PPG)
Jones 21st (14.4 PPG)
Henley 17th (14.9 PPG)
Pace 52nd (11.4 PPG)

Last year Speed was your #1 LB by far but who knows what Houston does not sure why he left Indy to sign a $3.5 Million ($5 million with incentives) contract to become a backup but that is how he is listed on ourlads right now which is crazy how great he has been last 2 years.

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Yeah, I love the guy. I was a little fast and loose with my description - but I don’t mind cashing out with the ambiguity of a new situation.

I have the other LB a little higher, but we’re a tackle heavy league with monster sack points.

 

[Keith R]

12 Team 1 QB 0.5 PPR TE+
Rookie Draft Underway
(Going SF 2026)

Team 1 - Gave up 2026 1st & 2nd + Russ Wilson (both picks projected late 8-11 range)
Team 2 - Gave up 1.04
(Chi TE Colston Loveland selected)

Not involved but I don’t understand giving up the 1.04 for that

Honestly, I don’t love the whole “moving to SF” thing.

It’s such a dramatically different format. Should be a full disbursal ~> slow draft start-up.

I understand people have worked hard on their teams, and it’s hard to let go, but it’s so… messy.

Either start a new league & keep this one the same, or throw everyone back and start over.

/rant

Not the same but a couple people were pushing to convert my dynasty league into an empire league. When put up for discussion, more than half the league were so adamantly opposed that it was a non-starter. I like the idea of empire but agreed conversion would be really hard to pull off smoothly years into an established dynasty league (though the prevailing sentiment was that a lot of owners have gotten attached to many of their players and wouldn't want to purge them).

FWIW, we require a 2/3 majority to approve any rule changes

 

[barackdhouse]

The community is upside down on Rachaad White because he cost them more than he has paid off and they're still pissed. He's the clear backup this year but he's still going to get 120 carries and at least 50 receptions and has a lot of TD upside in a good offense. I also have zero faith beyond 2025 but I don't see Spears ever approaching anything close to what he will do, not just what he has done. White still gets entire drives to himself while Bucky does the same but gets 2 or 3 for every 1 of Whites. As backup RBs go, those are the kind I want, that stay on the field the whole drive. Like Gibbs/Monty. Even more true in shootout game scripts. If I'm wrong and Tucker takes that role, I'll actually be ecstatic, just not for this one share of White. People hate his guts but he will easily outscore Spears Ford and probably Bigsby this year IMHO. And he might actually see my starting lineup. In 2025. After that he will be a roster clogger unless he lands really really well but I'm not holding my breath. Another play for me might be to try to flip him in-season early if he does anything worthwhile. Everyone needs RBs. But they hate him so I'm probably stuck with him. Could do worse.

I think they made a noticeable and significant change to their RB usage near the end of the season and my expectation is it continues.

White's last 3 games, all healthy as far as I know, not on the injury report:

6 carries, 1 catch

0 carries, 0 catches

1 carry, 2 catches

All 3 were his lowest three snap count games of the year.

I think that's his new reality and I can tell you I'm not basing that stance on any kind of hate.

Can't recall source but a beat writer for them who thought Tucker could take the backup job, that it was more of open battle. That I'm not sure about it the outcome.

the trade for Kincaid has been protested 3 times haha. The trading partner was told by FFPC to defend their decision and to confirm there wasn't supposed to be any other pieces in it. Meanwhile two trades have gone down since involving pieces from it, and I have two offers in my box that are also related.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Big one in my main league. Start 1 QB:

Jayden Daniels and the 2.10
for
Trevor Lawrence and the 1.2

Gimme Jayden. I’ve lost faith in TLaw being a great FF QB. I do believe he’s a 10+-year starter in the NFL, and may even have NFL success.

But NFL success doesn’t put trophy’s in my imaginary FF trophy case. Daniels has the FF juice.

I am on the other side of that trade. And I totally hear you, wasnt easy. My logic here is Liam Coen and what he did for Baker, as well as BJT and Travis Hunter. Even adding Tuten to play the Bucky Irving role. I am expecting/hoping for a career revitalization for Lawrence after years of OC and HC changes, instability, and a lack of overall talent around him. I also LOVE Omarian Hampton in a Gregg Roman/Jim Harbaugh/Justin Herbert offense, and I needed to beef up the RB room.

But I have little doubt that JD is the real deal.

 

[barackdhouse]

12 Team 1 QB 0.5 PPR TE+
Rookie Draft Underway
(Going SF 2026)

Team 1 - Gave up 2026 1st & 2nd + Russ Wilson (both picks projected late 8-11 range)
Team 2 - Gave up 1.04
(Chi TE Colston Loveland selected)

Not involved but I don’t understand giving up the 1.04 for that

Honestly, I don’t love the whole “moving to SF” thing.

It’s such a dramatically different format. Should be a full disbursal ~> slow draft start-up.

I understand people have worked hard on their teams, and it’s hard to let go, but it’s so… messy.

Either start a new league & keep this one the same, or throw everyone back and start over.

/rant

Not the same but a couple people were pushing to convert my dynasty league into an empire league. When put up for discussion, more than half the league were so adamantly opposed that it was a non-starter. I like the idea of empire but agreed conversion would be really hard to pull off smoothly years into an established dynasty league (though the prevailing sentiment was that a lot of owners have gotten attached to many of their players and wouldn't want to purge them).

FWIW, we require a 2/3 majority to approve any rule changes

I'd tell the commish to pound sand. Of course you can't convert like that. You have to start from scratch. I'm surprised anyone would even bring an idea like that up. And if I was part of the minority vote I would leave the league. That is bush.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Big one in my main league. Start 1 QB:

Jayden Daniels and the 2.10
for
Trevor Lawrence and the 1.2

Gimme Jayden. I’ve lost faith in TLaw being a great FF QB. I do believe he’s a 10+-year starter in the NFL, and may even have NFL success.

But NFL success doesn’t put trophy’s in my imaginary FF trophy case. Daniels has the FF juice.

I am on the other side of that trade. And I totally hear you, wasnt easy. My logic here is Liam Coen and what he did for Baker, as well as BJT and Travis Hunter. Even adding Tuten to play the Bucky Irving role. I am expecting/hoping for a career revitalization for Lawrence after years of OC and HC changes, instability, and a lack of overall talent around him. I also LOVE Omarian Hampton in a Gregg Roman/Jim Harbaugh/Justin Herbert offense, and I needed to beef up the RB room.

But I have little doubt that JD is the real deal.

Of course, that’s the gamble.

I love the pick, and value-wise it’s a nice upside play/

However, if TLaw remains as he’s been, you might be hunting a QB again in the not too distant future.

 

[menobrown]

The community is upside down on Rachaad White because he cost them more than he has paid off and they're still pissed. He's the clear backup this year but he's still going to get 120 carries and at least 50 receptions and has a lot of TD upside in a good offense. I also have zero faith beyond 2025 but I don't see Spears ever approaching anything close to what he will do, not just what he has done. White still gets entire drives to himself while Bucky does the same but gets 2 or 3 for every 1 of Whites. As backup RBs go, those are the kind I want, that stay on the field the whole drive. Like Gibbs/Monty. Even more true in shootout game scripts. If I'm wrong and Tucker takes that role, I'll actually be ecstatic, just not for this one share of White. People hate his guts but he will easily outscore Spears Ford and probably Bigsby this year IMHO. And he might actually see my starting lineup. In 2025. After that he will be a roster clogger unless he lands really really well but I'm not holding my breath. Another play for me might be to try to flip him in-season early if he does anything worthwhile. Everyone needs RBs. But they hate him so I'm probably stuck with him. Could do worse.

I think they made a noticeable and significant change to their RB usage near the end of the season and my expectation is it continues.

White's last 3 games, all healthy as far as I know, not on the injury report:

6 carries, 1 catch

0 carries, 0 catches

1 carry, 2 catches

All 3 were his lowest three snap count games of the year.

I think that's his new reality and I can tell you I'm not basing that stance on any kind of hate.

Can't recall source but a beat writer for them who thought Tucker could take the backup job, that it was more of open battle. That I'm not sure about it the outcome.

the trade for Kincaid has been protested 3 times haha. The trading partner was told by FFPC to defend their decision and to confirm there wasn't supposed to be any other pieces in it. Meanwhile two trades have gone down since involving pieces from it, and I have two offers in my box that are also related.

If he just had not put the trade over the top with Spears you'd have been home free. j/k

Seriously I'm in a slow draft and literally just now drafted Kincaid as TE15 in round 9 of BB tournament. The trade was one sided and hard to know his rationale, and I still believe in Kincaid, but with his current value what it it if that's the most valuable piece of a trade I can't imagine logging a protest.

 

[barackdhouse]

The community is upside down on Rachaad White because he cost them more than he has paid off and they're still pissed. He's the clear backup this year but he's still going to get 120 carries and at least 50 receptions and has a lot of TD upside in a good offense. I also have zero faith beyond 2025 but I don't see Spears ever approaching anything close to what he will do, not just what he has done. White still gets entire drives to himself while Bucky does the same but gets 2 or 3 for every 1 of Whites. As backup RBs go, those are the kind I want, that stay on the field the whole drive. Like Gibbs/Monty. Even more true in shootout game scripts. If I'm wrong and Tucker takes that role, I'll actually be ecstatic, just not for this one share of White. People hate his guts but he will easily outscore Spears Ford and probably Bigsby this year IMHO. And he might actually see my starting lineup. In 2025. After that he will be a roster clogger unless he lands really really well but I'm not holding my breath. Another play for me might be to try to flip him in-season early if he does anything worthwhile. Everyone needs RBs. But they hate him so I'm probably stuck with him. Could do worse.

I think they made a noticeable and significant change to their RB usage near the end of the season and my expectation is it continues.

White's last 3 games, all healthy as far as I know, not on the injury report:

6 carries, 1 catch

0 carries, 0 catches

1 carry, 2 catches

All 3 were his lowest three snap count games of the year.

I think that's his new reality and I can tell you I'm not basing that stance on any kind of hate.

Can't recall source but a beat writer for them who thought Tucker could take the backup job, that it was more of open battle. That I'm not sure about it the outcome.

the trade for Kincaid has been protested 3 times haha. The trading partner was told by FFPC to defend their decision and to confirm there wasn't supposed to be any other pieces in it. Meanwhile two trades have gone down since involving pieces from it, and I have two offers in my box that are also related.

If he just had not put the trade over the top with Spears you'd have been home free. j/k

Seriously I'm in a slow draft and literally just now drafted Kincaid as TE15 in round 9 of BB tournament. The trade was one sided and hard to know his rationale, and I still believe in Kincaid, but with his current value what it it if that's the most valuable piece of a trade I can't imagine logging a protest.

Yeah I mean it's a cheaper league $100 and actually this is the one I've spoken of elsewhere that had one team with only 11 players and another was totally loaded. Don't know if you saw that from the FFPC thread but there have been a history of crazy trades in this league in particular and many that I even thought of protesting or bringing up but ultimately didn't. Maybe other folks felt similarly and have had enough. It is the same owner that had 11 players going into the rookie draft and has been giving stuff away. And the one that has another team that is maybe more loaded than anything I've seen.

The trade partner now has 15 players, the only future capital they have is a 4th, two 5ths, a 6&7 and the 2nd I gave them yesterday for Tre Harris that is probably late.

Daniels, Stroud (ok not bad it is TriFlex)
Jeanty, M Lloyd, ETN the rookie, Estime, Mafah
Lamb, Dell, Coker, D Douglas, Boutte, Thornton
Ertz, Helm

Without bye weeks or injuries they're looking at starting who at RB2? A waiver pickup probably. Start three WRs every week. Ok let's see it haha.

My god that's bad.

 

[menobrown]

Daniels, Stroud (ok not bad it is TriFlex)
Jeanty, M Lloyd, ETN the rookie, Estime, Mafah
Lamb, Dell, Coker, D Douglas, Boutte, Thornton
Ertz, Helm

Yikes that's awful. I mean 3 studs and Stroud and that's really his team, everything else is fringe roster worthy and hardly any draft capital.

This team is begging for a trade where he turns one of those 3 studs into a massive haul. That's his only shot.

 

[barackdhouse]

Daniels, Stroud (ok not bad it is TriFlex)
Jeanty, M Lloyd, ETN the rookie, Estime, Mafah
Lamb, Dell, Coker, D Douglas, Boutte, Thornton
Ertz, Helm

Yikes that's awful. I mean 3 studs and Stroud and that's really his team, everything else is fringe roster worthy and hardly any draft capital.

This team is begging for a trade where he turns one of those 3 studs into a massive haul. That's his only shot.

They had Chase at one point and had Jefferson AJ Brown at one point (not at the same time) and gave both of them away for very little. Then "consolidated" to get Lamb. I have been trying to get Lamb away from them for a lil while now but no luck yet. Yeah their best bet is to move each of their 3 studs for a haul each. I am willing to oblige. But still waiting for a ruling on the trade. I assume if it hasn't been reversed by now that it stands.

 

[barackdhouse]

A team that was already cut down to 14 players cut Pittman and Coker overnight. Pittman has been disappointing due to bad QB play but I think he should still hold late 2nd early 3rd value.

yeah that's insane and makes no sense. there is a team in one of my leagues that is only at 9 players right now and very few picks. is just giving stuff away and it's weird.

My bad they have 11 players now. TriFlex:

Daniels, Stroud
Estime, Lloyd
Lamb, Douglas, Boutte, Dell, Coker, Shaheed
Ertz
and they have 1.01, 2.06, 3.09. Their future 1st, 2nd and 3rd are gone.

A different team in the same league only has 13 players but they're absolutely loaded:

Mahomes, Hurts
Bijan, Gibbs, Wright
Nabers, Puka, Garrett Wilson, Rice, Worthy
Bowers, McBride, LaPorta
and they have 1.05, 1.07, 1.08, 1.12, 2.03, 2.05, 2.07, 3.02, 3.04 along with FOUR future 1sts and SIX future 2nds.

wow

Wow, what a tale of two extremes!
First team is terrible ,did they trade all their good players and future picks for Lamb?

Second team may be best I've ever seen, especially once they draft a bunch of RBs this year.

Yeah it's pretty horrible. Looking back I see that this bad team actually made the playoffs last year and finished in 4th overall. They really weren't in terrible shape and then orphaned the team. The new owner has not done well in the last two months.

Here is what it looked like when they took 4th just a couple months ago:

Daniels, Jones
Swift, Najee, Ford, Bigsby, Estime, I Davis, Mitchell
Chase, Jauan Jennings, Mooney, Nuk, Boutte, Shepard, Mike Williams, Kirk, MVS
Ertz, Freiermuth, Calcaterra

March 2024 - They moved their 2025 3rd and 4th that are now 3.09 and 4.09 to me for Ford, McLaughlin
May 2024 - They moved McLaughlin for Tracy and Hull. Big win on paper
Aug 2024 - They moved their 2025 2nd that is now 2.09 (and 5th and 6th) to me for Nuk, Estime and Bigsby

but then they took 4th, abandoned the team and the new owner as of the beginning of last month March 2025 has made... *checks notes*... 29 trades since then and you saw the end result posted above. That is a trade completed in just less than every 2 days. But wanna see the nasty trades that got them here? It's grosser than gross. Only the last 3 are post-NFL draft.

#1 - They sent me back Tank Bigsby for my Tank Dell
#2 - They gave Swift they got 3.07 & 6.06
#3 - They gave Najee they got a 2026 2nd
#4 - They gave Jennings they got a 2026 2nd
#5 - They gave Cousins they got 4.02
#6 - They gave Daniel Jones they got 4.04
#7 - They gave Monty & 4.02 they got Benson & 3.02
#8 - They gave Kirk got 2026 3rd
#9 - They gave Calcaterra got Juwon Johnson
#10 - They gave 3.02, 3.07, and 2026 3rd - they got Warren & 4.02
#11 - They gave 1.09 and two future 2nds and pulled AJ Brown away from that monster squad posted up above
#12 - They gave Warren, Mooney and Benson for a 2026 1st
#13 - They gave me 3.09 and I gave them Ford (guess I picked him up again somehow)
#14 - They gave Jamaar Chase and they got 1.02, 1.12, future 2nd and Jakobi Meyers again it's foul
#15 - They gave Juwon got 7th
#16 - They gave Tillman got 4.05
#17 - They gave Mitchell got 7.02
#18 - They gave AJ Brown, 1.02, and the future 2nd from the Jennings deal #4 and they got 1.01, D Smith and Shaheed
#19 - They gave D Smith and got 1.08 and Diggs
#20 - They gave J Meyers and 4.05 and got 3.02, 6.07, Coker and Lloyd
#21 - They gave the loaded squad up above 1.08, someone else's future 1st (from deal #12) and 2nd (from the Chase deal #14) and they got Stroud
#22 - They gave Diggs and 3.09 and they got 2.11
#23 - They gave 1.12, 2.11, 3.02 and got Kyren Williams
#24 - They gave Freiermuth and 4.04 and got 2.10 and 5.07
#25 - They gave Kyren, 2.10 and their own future 1st and they got Lamb and a future 2nd.
#26 - They gave a future 3rd, 4.02 & 5.07 and they got Downs
#27 - They gave Downs and got 2.06
#28 - They gave a future 2nd and got Legette
#29 - They gave Legette and got 3.09 (this was the same day as #28)

How to absolutely destroy a decent playoff quality dynasty team in like 2 months or less. That deal for Lamb is actually pretty good. So is #11 for AJ Brown (not Jefferson, I had that wrong in post above). The Chase trade is gross though. It got them closer to Jeanty I guess.

You want dynasty trades in the dynasty trades thread? Well that is 29 of them from one franchise in two months. (new owner). Same owner that sent me Kincaid above.

 

[phandango]

How to absolutely destroy a decent playoff quality dynasty team in like 2 months or less. That deal for Lamb is actually pretty good. So is #11 for AJ Brown (not Jefferson, I had that wrong in post above). The Chase trade is gross though. It got them closer to Jeanty I guess.

You want dynasty trades in the dynasty trades thread? Well that is 29 of them from one franchise in two months. (new owner). Same owner that sent me Kincaid above.

I'm curious: Does this team has "Hope" in its name? (Don't want to say the whole name, but that should be enough.)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

literally just now drafted Kincaid as TE15 in round 9 of BB tournament

How the mighty have fallen.

Dude was projected to be a top 3 TE just a couple years ago.

Not saying he won’t ever be, but that’s a precipitous drop for sure.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You want dynasty trades in the dynasty trades thread? Well that is 29 of them from one franchise in two months. (new owner). Same owner that sent me Kincaid above.

The AJB deal is defensible. They actually made a decent move there. And they got a Lamb for a pretty good price (though future 1sts from that dumpster fire are like gold. Guaranteed top 3 picks)

Also got out from Danny Dimes & Cousins - don’t hate those.

the Chase deal should be carved into his gravestone as everlasting proof of being the worst FF manager while alive. Dear lord that’s awful.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You want dynasty trades in the dynasty trades thread?

Not those.

 

[barackdhouse]

How to absolutely destroy a decent playoff quality dynasty team in like 2 months or less. That deal for Lamb is actually pretty good. So is #11 for AJ Brown (not Jefferson, I had that wrong in post above). The Chase trade is gross though. It got them closer to Jeanty I guess.

You want dynasty trades in the dynasty trades thread? Well that is 29 of them from one franchise in two months. (new owner). Same owner that sent me Kincaid above.

I'm curious: Does this team has "Hope" in its name? (Don't want to say the whole name, but that should be enough.)

nah

 

[barackdhouse]

You want dynasty trades in the dynasty trades thread? Well that is 29 of them from one franchise in two months. (new owner). Same owner that sent me Kincaid above.

The AJB deal is defensible. They actually made a decent move there. And they got a Lamb for a pretty good price (though future 1sts from that dumpster fire are like gold. Guaranteed top 3 picks)

Also got out from Danny Dimes & Cousins - don’t hate those.

the Chase deal should be carved into his gravestone as everlasting proof of being the worst FF manager while alive. Dear lord that’s awful.

yeah you know some of those moves really aren't bad, and I would agree with the approach of rebuilding. Kind of a paper tiger that only took 4th. One note, in FFPC we compete for rookie picks in the toilet bowl, and so a team this bad is actually not super likely to get either of 1.01 or 1.02, and would likely be the underdog in the 1.03 v 1.04 matchup. So that future 1st is more like the 1.03 at best.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So that future 1st is more like the 1.03 at best.

that context helps.

 

[barackdhouse]

@menobrown


Hi everyone,

We had two protests on the trade between ******* and ****** :

****** received - Ayomanor and Horton

Vs.

****** received - Kincaid/Spears/TeSlaa/Restrepo

Generally speaking, the FFPC rarely overturns trades. We use trade calculators from sites like DynastyTradeCalculator.com or DynastyLeagueFootball.com. We will sometimes use a 2 to 1 ratio to determine the value disparity and we might use this in our decision on any protested trades.

We emailed both owners to confirm the trade and make sure there were no left out players or picks. Both owners emailed us back and confirmed this was the correct trade with no missing pieces.

While using both trade calculators, here is what we got:

DTC - Kincaid side - 13.4 Vs. Horton side - 2.0 --- 6.7:1

DLF - Kincaid side - 234.2 Vs. Horton side - 12.6 --- 18.5:1

As you can see we are far above 2X the value on both calculators.

While the owner of ****** did give us a detailed explanation as to why he did this trade and we did consider his response on our ruling, both WRs he received did not have high draft capital and it is tough to let a trade stand with two players that have proven nothing in the NFL. Kincaid did have a down 2024 season, but was a monster in 2023 and is in a top 5 offense in the league. Spears is the 1B on the Titans, but did come along towards the end of the 2024 season and should see his role expand. Both Kincaid and Spears are proven NFL talent.

FFPC rarely reverses trades. However, we are reversing this trade based on valuation.

 

[Rockchild]

@menobrown


Hi everyone,

We had two protests on the trade between ******* and ****** :

****** received - Ayomanor and Horton

Vs.

****** received - Kincaid/Spears/TeSlaa/Restrepo

Generally speaking, the FFPC rarely overturns trades. We use trade calculators from sites like DynastyTradeCalculator.com or DynastyLeagueFootball.com. We will sometimes use a 2 to 1 ratio to determine the value disparity and we might use this in our decision on any protested trades.

We emailed both owners to confirm the trade and make sure there were no left out players or picks. Both owners emailed us back and confirmed this was the correct trade with no missing pieces.

While using both trade calculators, here is what we got:

DTC - Kincaid side - 13.4 Vs. Horton side - 2.0 --- 6.7:1

DLF - Kincaid side - 234.2 Vs. Horton side - 12.6 --- 18.5:1

As you can see we are far above 2X the value on both calculators.

While the owner of ****** did give us a detailed explanation as to why he did this trade and we did consider his response on our ruling, both WRs he received did not have high draft capital and it is tough to let a trade stand with two players that have proven nothing in the NFL. Kincaid did have a down 2024 season, but was a monster in 2023 and is in a top 5 offense in the league. Spears is the 1B on the Titans, but did come along towards the end of the 2024 season and should see his role expand. Both Kincaid and Spears are proven NFL talent.

FFPC rarely reverses trades. However, we are reversing this trade based on valuation.

I dislike trades being overturned for any reason besides collusion. The supposition in the explanation can be interpreted exactly the opposite. Let teams run themselves unless they try and collude.

 

[mjb03003]

Superflex, TE prem (1.5 PPR), RB Prem (1.25 PPR), big play bonus (40+ yard play = +1)

Gave: Nico Collins, Rookie pick #23, rookie pick #26
Got: Jameson Williams, Rookie pick #7, rookie pick #13

Now have rookie picks 6, 7, 13, 16, 29

I'm probably in the minority here, I'm just not a big believer in Nico Collins in dynasty. I think his value will never be higher and I think his injuries, age, and competition on his own team create a dynasty profile with a lot of fragility.

 

[mjb03003]

Stupid little one but I don’t have a lot of depth at WR and I figure Thielen could still see a decent target share in Carolina:

Gave: Michael Wilson
Got: Adam Thielen

 

[Dez]

16 team 1 QB PPR 1.5 TE (Not me)

Hockenson
Ken Walker
Jauan Jennings
2.11
3.11
for
1.05
1.14
Isiah Davis
Keaton Mitchell

 

[Dez]

16 team 1 QB PPR 1.5 TE (Not me)

1.13
for
Baker Mayfield
Cade Otton
Mike Gesicki

 

[Dez]

16 team 1 QB PPR 1.5 TE (Not me)

Flowers
5.11
for
Pearsall
Wicks
3.14

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

16 team 1 QB PPR 1.5 TE (Not me)

Hockenson
Ken Walker
Jauan Jennings
2.11
3.11
for
1.05
1.14
Isiah Davis
Keaton Mitchell

Im a little surprised to see 2x 1sts going for that package. And I like Jennings & Walker. I like Hock, too.

I just don’t think I’d give up 1.05 & 1.14 for them & the 2nd & 3rd.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

16 team 1 QB PPR 1.5 TE (Not me)

Flowers
5.11
for
Pearsall
Wicks
3.14

That’s an interesting one. The correct answer is probably Flowers, but the Pearsall side is tempting.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

My god that's bad.

stop badmouthing my team