Andy's been coach of the Eagles longer than any president outside of FDR has been in office. Ironic because Andy is as good a liar as any president, and just about as useful too.Problem is that Andy won't be going anywhere. Yes that's a problem. He's locked into the Head Coaching position that a double homicide couldn't even get him out of. He's even allowed to edit his own magazine interviews. I guess the press's freedom of speech doesn't apply to Emporer Andy?And Andy will still be on the sidelines with the deer-in-the-headlights look when the game is on the line. Yet we'll all go on, calling WIP complaining about the exact same things we villified Rich Kotite for....maddening abandonment of the run game, questionable time management and dubious offensive play calls all the while wasting a valiant effort game in and game out from the defense. We know what we have in Reid. True we could get someone worse, but at the same time we could get someone better. I've seen enough. I'm ready to take that chance.The LBs are ok. They didn't make plays last year, but they didn't kill the Eagles like they have recently. They can do nothing but improve as a group.
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I would be shocked if the eagles traded their first rounder, which makes me think it is a player + draft pick deal. If the Eagles are in the "go big or go home" mindframe this year, maybe they'll trade Lito for Fitz, then pick up Samuel to take his place. I would say they're similar in talent but Samuel could actually stay healthy. Lito is due ~3.5 million this year. It would probably cost double that in salary and bonuses to sign Samuel. Obviously, this is all my random speculation but with Dallas reportedly interested in Fitz as well, I think it would take a hefty sum to pry Fitz from Arizona.
dammit - thought you guys would screw this up. Where's Angelo to burn some McNabb jerseys or something stupid like that?
loose circuits
Footballguy
DRC can play safety or CB and there is a good chance he'll be available
loose circuits
Footballguy
did you see the contracts that Graham and Shiancoe signed last offseason? I'd much rather franchise tag LJ Smith than give him 10 mil guaranteed. Surely he would have asked for more money than the 2 mentioned guysguys that are criticizing that move by the Eagles obviously didn't see those deals last year and don't understand the flexibility of not having to pay any guaranteed money up front
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Slider
Footballguy
Not hardly. Can you dispute any of it?
ThePassion
Footballguy
The Patriots taped the practice before the Super Bowl.. McNabb couldn't understand how their defense knew everything that was coming, which caused him to get sickNot hardly. Can you dispute any of it?
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SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
This is why I will never be able to respect Eagles fans.
Zoomanji
Footballguy
No need to say that about all of usThis is why I will never be able to respect Eagles fans.
ThePassion
Footballguy
1 ruins it for us all
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So his ceiling is getting to the superbowl, and thats not enough? And its not like he played horrible in the Superbowl, he did have 357 yards and 3 TDs. And lets say we did trade him, which QB on our roster has the potential to get us to the Superbowl this year? Or are we supposed to find this QB on free agency? In the draft?Not hardly. Can you dispute any of it?
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Nah, not at all. A lot of people would say a successful season is winning the Superbowl. If you don't win, it doesn't matter if you're 10-6 or 13-3 or 7-9. Reid, IMO, is not going to win us a Superbowl. He's done a lot for us and has been a good coach, but I think it's best for him and the organization if we part ways. He has too many weaknesses, which continually go unaddressed, for us to win a SB. I'm talking about being, IMO, the WORST coach in the NFL when it comes to clock management. Making questionable decisions that have cost us the game (Punt to the Saints on 4th rather than go for it, etc) and refusing to address problems in talent at areas like WR for so long. We addressed it one year and went out and got a big name WR. Result? Made it to the Superbowl. Next year we're back to where we were and now we're still trying to scrape by with a pretty average group of WRs. We saw what happened when McNabb has a stud to throw to. I'm not sure why we digressed from that. I liked Reid, but I think he's done what he can and it's time to move on.As for the LBs, I threw that it as a little bit of an afterthought because, as someone else said, they were pretty mediocre. Nothing special. Definitely wouldn't call them a "strength" but there are a lot of young guys there. Still developing and will continue to improve. Maybe we don't need "help" as I said, but development would be nice.
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Yeah but he also threw 3 very critical picks and was walking to the line at the end of the game. I don't agree with Slider though that we should trade him just because we've seen him play in the Superbowl and we lost. There's been plenty of QBs that have won Superbowls without having won every SB they've ever played. I'm not trying to down McNabb, because I think he can be great, but I think he needs to be on a team in a win-now situation, which we're not. Our window has closed, IMO, and we need to look a few years down the road now. Besides, as much as I like McNabb, he throws an awful lot of passes at his WRs feet. He also throws a lot of passes 10 feet over his WR's head. There are times when I think I could be more accurate than him. Also, he's dealt with one problem after another in Philly with nothing but class. This year though he rocked the boat a little and started causing unnecessary controversy. Not saying that's a reason to part ways, but it's something that adds on. We don't have a QB that could get us to the SB this year, but I'd rather let McNabb go and start getting Kolb or whoever is going to be our starter into that role and start looking a few years down the road. Unless you truly believe McNabb is going to win us a SB this year or next, why not look to the future?So his ceiling is getting to the superbowl, and thats not enough? And its not like he played horrible in the Superbowl, he did have 357 yards and 3 TDs. And lets say we did trade him, which QB on our roster has the potential to get us to the Superbowl this year? Or are we supposed to find this QB on free agency? In the draft?Not hardly. Can you dispute any of it?
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Slider
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Slider has been a season ticket holder for 17 years, goes to camp, preseason games and most other Eagle functions. He doesn't hate McNabb anymore than TO or half the locker room. He just thinks he holds the ball too long, is not accurate and is not a good fit for a WCO. Not a hater, just a realist.
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i definitely believe this to be a possibility. Although our record was only 8-8, i thought the Eagles had a pretty good season. We were inconsistent on offence, but near the end of the season we got on a roll, and i think if the Eagles can add some depth on defense, and a playmaker on offense, the Eagles can definitely make it to the Superbowl. And on your previous post, shouldn't you be mad at Tom Heckert instead of Andy Reid for the fact that you dont like our receiving corps?Yeah but he also threw 3 very critical picks and was walking to the line at the end of the game. I don't agree with Slider though that we should trade him just because we've seen him play in the Superbowl and we lost. There's been plenty of QBs that have won Superbowls without having won every SB they've ever played. I'm not trying to down McNabb, because I think he can be great, but I think he needs to be on a team in a win-now situation, which we're not. Our window has closed, IMO, and we need to look a few years down the road now.So his ceiling is getting to the superbowl, and thats not enough? And its not like he played horrible in the Superbowl, he did have 357 yards and 3 TDs. And lets say we did trade him, which QB on our roster has the potential to get us to the Superbowl this year? Or are we supposed to find this QB on free agency? In the draft?Not hardly. Can you dispute any of it?
Besides, as much as I like McNabb, he throws an awful lot of passes at his WRs feet. He also throws a lot of passes 10 feet over his WR's head. There are times when I think I could be more accurate than him. Also, he's dealt with one problem after another in Philly with nothing but class. This year though he rocked the boat a little and started causing unnecessary controversy. Not saying that's a reason to part ways, but it's something that adds on.
We don't have a QB that could get us to the SB this year, but I'd rather let McNabb go and start getting Kolb or whoever is going to be our starter into that role and start looking a few years down the road.
Unless you truly believe McNabb is going to win us a SB this year or next, why not look to the future?
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
It's definitely not just Reid's fault, but he was GM for a while and, IMO, showed he was incompetent in that role. Heckert might get blame now, but prior to 2006 Reid has the blame for neglect in those years. Besides, if Reid wasn't trying to acquire the players he needed when he was in that role, you know he's not doing much now to push for players we need. And even though Heckert is the GM now, Reid still has a pretty decent amount of pull with the FO, and I think still retains final say on those decisions(?).So like I said, not solely Reid's fault. But a lot of blame has to go to him IMO.
Jedimaster21
Footballguy
This negativity gets so old.
Those of you that want to get rid of McNabb and Reid:
1. Name 10 QBs that are better than McNabb. Be sure to include career winning percentage, interception percentage, and playoff wins.
2. Name an available coach that is better than Reid. Be sure to include winning percentage and playoff wins
The bottom line is that many Philly fans don't see the positives associated with the current organization. Regardless of what you may say, the Eagles have been one of the top 5 organizations in the NFL since Reid took over and he drafted McNabb. McNabb could end up leaving before he retires, but that will be due to injuries and age. Andy Reid isn't going anywhere...and he shouldn't.
Those of you that want to get rid of McNabb and Reid:
1. Name 10 QBs that are better than McNabb. Be sure to include career winning percentage, interception percentage, and playoff wins.
2. Name an available coach that is better than Reid. Be sure to include winning percentage and playoff wins
The bottom line is that many Philly fans don't see the positives associated with the current organization. Regardless of what you may say, the Eagles have been one of the top 5 organizations in the NFL since Reid took over and he drafted McNabb. McNabb could end up leaving before he retires, but that will be due to injuries and age. Andy Reid isn't going anywhere...and he shouldn't.
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Do you think the Eagles will win a superbowl with Reid and McNabb?I used to. I've been disillusioned. IMO, anyone who still thinks we can win with McNabb/Reid needs to take a better look. Reid has far too many weaknesses as a coach, McNabb is way too erratic and inaccurate as a QB. His best days are behind him (he's not done by any means, but he's reached his prime already). And since you asked, Brady, Palmer, Anderson, Reothlisberger, Manning, Rivers, Romo, Favre, Brees, Hasselbeck, Vince Young, and maybe Bulger and Garcia are all QBs I'd take before McNabb. Not that it matters though... like I said in my post above, I don't want to swap McNabb out for one of those QBs. I want to look to the future and start getting Kolb or whoever our QB is going to be some time.I think McNabb and Reid have been great, and I think they have a lot to offer still. I just think it's time for them to move on and have better success elsewhere.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Are we talking about Donovan McNabb 2004 or 2008? McNabb was great from 1999-2004 but the guy just can't stay healthy. Steve McNair was a pretty darn good QB for the Titans, but I doubt anyone is throwing around his stats from 4 years ago as a reason why he'll be good in 2008.Same thing with Andy Reid. When the Eagles hired him, everyone was like "Andy who?" Just because a coach doesn't have a track record doesn't mean they aren't a better coach than Andy Reid.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
While I don't like the negativity going on here in recent posts, I can see both sides of the argument.
Sell McNabb now while Philly can get something for him.
Fact - his value is average, not high, not low. Teams do want him but they're also salivating because he is not just an upgrade for them, but also wouldn't (allegedly) require paying through the nose.
Fact - The Eagles don't have a better option for 2008. Kolb isn't ready, and no one else is even worth mentioning.
Fact - If McNabb shows he's healthier than 2007 and performs similarly, the Eagles can still get a good price for him if they deal him after the 2008 season.
Concerns on Reid - He'll never win the big one.
Fact - Pittsburgh said the same thing about Cowher.
Concern - Time Management.
Well, I agree with you here. He's not the best game day coach by a longshot. There's other coaches who blow this as well, but that has nothing to do with Reid's abilities. He needs to recognize this weakness and address it. I doubt he will.
The bottom line is that the Eagles must give Reid, McNabb and all their vets 2008 to take one more shot before they start to re-tool for 2009. They don't have another direction to go in for 2008, so it is a make or break year. Either way, expect a youth movement along the offensive line and in the secondary in 12 months.
Sell McNabb now while Philly can get something for him.
Fact - his value is average, not high, not low. Teams do want him but they're also salivating because he is not just an upgrade for them, but also wouldn't (allegedly) require paying through the nose.
Fact - The Eagles don't have a better option for 2008. Kolb isn't ready, and no one else is even worth mentioning.
Fact - If McNabb shows he's healthier than 2007 and performs similarly, the Eagles can still get a good price for him if they deal him after the 2008 season.
Concerns on Reid - He'll never win the big one.
Fact - Pittsburgh said the same thing about Cowher.
Concern - Time Management.
Well, I agree with you here. He's not the best game day coach by a longshot. There's other coaches who blow this as well, but that has nothing to do with Reid's abilities. He needs to recognize this weakness and address it. I doubt he will.
The bottom line is that the Eagles must give Reid, McNabb and all their vets 2008 to take one more shot before they start to re-tool for 2009. They don't have another direction to go in for 2008, so it is a make or break year. Either way, expect a youth movement along the offensive line and in the secondary in 12 months.
zadok
Footballguy
More Fitzgerald stuff:
Source: Eagles want Larry Fitzgerald
By Micah Warren
As I first reported on 610 WIP sports radio in Philadelphia and GCobb.com, a source close to the situation told me that the Philadelphia Eagles are going hard after Cardinals wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald.
The name “Chad Johnson” was also floated, but I don’t see that as a realistic possibility. It is rumored that the Redskins are interested in Johnson, and we all know they’ll overpay and give up tons of draft picks. In contrast, the Eagles are much more careful with their April selections.
The source also stated that the Eagles are not planning on rebuilding (ie not trading Donovan McNabb) and that they have a list of guys that they want to go after. Fitzgerald, according to the source, is on the top of that list.
There was also a mention that the Eagles had their eyes on a kick-returning cornerback with their 19th overall selection in April’s draft. Poor kick and punt returning was a hallmark of the 2007 Eagles season.
Source: Eagles are loading up for a run
By Micah Warren
Another source confirmed my last report that the Eagles are indeed going after a top-flight wide receiver and that Larry Fitzgerald is at the top of that list.
As I said previously, this will require the efforts of Head Coach/VP Andy Reid, General Manager Tom Heckert and salary capologist Joe Banner, as they will need to work out compensation with the Arizona Cardinals as well as restructure Fitzgerald’s current ridiculous deal. He is scheduled to make $14.6 million in 2008 with a total cap number of $16.5 million.
The source also mentioned that Patriots free-agent cornerback Asante Samuel is on the radar as well. This would dovetail with another rumor that has Lito Sheppard wanting a new contract shortly, if not now. While both the Eagles and Sheppard have said that any notion that they have given him permission to seek a trade is false, Sheppard did tell Comcast Sportsnet’s Derek Gunn that he should be paid like a top corner. Maybe he is a top corner, but it’s tough to tell when he’s on the injury report so often.
While I am not reporting that all of these things will happen, what was clear from my source is that the Eagles are not resting on their laurels this off-season. They want to add weapons for Donovan McNabb and infuse playmakers throughout the roster.
How it all plays out remains to be seen, but this is good news for Eagles fans who want the organization to make the push required to get the city a championship.
Source: Eagles want Larry Fitzgerald
By Micah Warren
As I first reported on 610 WIP sports radio in Philadelphia and GCobb.com, a source close to the situation told me that the Philadelphia Eagles are going hard after Cardinals wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald.
The name “Chad Johnson” was also floated, but I don’t see that as a realistic possibility. It is rumored that the Redskins are interested in Johnson, and we all know they’ll overpay and give up tons of draft picks. In contrast, the Eagles are much more careful with their April selections.
The source also stated that the Eagles are not planning on rebuilding (ie not trading Donovan McNabb) and that they have a list of guys that they want to go after. Fitzgerald, according to the source, is on the top of that list.
There was also a mention that the Eagles had their eyes on a kick-returning cornerback with their 19th overall selection in April’s draft. Poor kick and punt returning was a hallmark of the 2007 Eagles season.
Source: Eagles are loading up for a run
By Micah Warren
Another source confirmed my last report that the Eagles are indeed going after a top-flight wide receiver and that Larry Fitzgerald is at the top of that list.
As I said previously, this will require the efforts of Head Coach/VP Andy Reid, General Manager Tom Heckert and salary capologist Joe Banner, as they will need to work out compensation with the Arizona Cardinals as well as restructure Fitzgerald’s current ridiculous deal. He is scheduled to make $14.6 million in 2008 with a total cap number of $16.5 million.
The source also mentioned that Patriots free-agent cornerback Asante Samuel is on the radar as well. This would dovetail with another rumor that has Lito Sheppard wanting a new contract shortly, if not now. While both the Eagles and Sheppard have said that any notion that they have given him permission to seek a trade is false, Sheppard did tell Comcast Sportsnet’s Derek Gunn that he should be paid like a top corner. Maybe he is a top corner, but it’s tough to tell when he’s on the injury report so often.
While I am not reporting that all of these things will happen, what was clear from my source is that the Eagles are not resting on their laurels this off-season. They want to add weapons for Donovan McNabb and infuse playmakers throughout the roster.
How it all plays out remains to be seen, but this is good news for Eagles fans who want the organization to make the push required to get the city a championship.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
I would buy a Philly Phitz jersey the day it comes out. I'd probably buy a CJ jersey almost as quickly.
raying:
ETA: I'd change my avatar even quicker.
raying:ETA: I'd change my avatar even quicker.
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Wow, a Fitz "11" in Midnight Green.....Who was the last #11?I would buy a Philly Phitz jersey the day it comes out. I'd probably buy a CJ jersey almost as quickly.
zadok
Footballguy
Norm Van Brocklin???Wow, a Fitz "11" in Midnight Green.....Who was the last #11?I would buy a Philly Phitz jersey the day it comes out. I'd probably buy a CJ jersey almost as quickly.
Jedimaster21
Footballguy
You would rather have Derek Anderson, Philip Rivers, Brett Favre, Drew Brees, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, and Jeff Garcia...I strongly disagree. This is the typical "negative philly fan" opinion. McNabb is much more accomplished than all on the list besides Favre, and he might not even play next season. The Eagles have been to the playoffs all but three years despite their franchise QB getting hurt multiple times, have been to the NFC championship 4 times, and have been to a Superbowl. They run the organization the right way, and have a very good, young roster. I couldn't disagree more with your opinion of Reid and McNabb. I have also been a Philly fan since I was about 3 years old, so I have had to contend with this sort of attitude for years. When they win 11-12 games next year and go deep in the playoffs, I'm sure you will love them again.TheLastDispatch said:
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Zoomanji
Footballguy
I stopped reading at this part As I first reported on 610 WIPI'll believe it when I see it
Mr. Elisabeth HasslebeckNorm Van Brocklin???Wow, a Fitz "11" in Midnight Green.....Who was the last #11?I would buy a Philly Phitz jersey the day it comes out. I'd probably buy a CJ jersey almost as quickly.
Zoomanji
Footballguy
I thought J. Bloom wore 11 or is it retired?Norm Van Brocklin???Wow, a Fitz "11" in Midnight Green.....Who was the last #11?I would buy a Philly Phitz jersey the day it comes out. I'd probably buy a CJ jersey almost as quickly.
Slider
Footballguy
McNabb is in a WCO. Young, Favre, Montana, Gannon, Beurlein, Grbac and many others made it in a WCO even when they couldn't other places.McNabb has been blessed with being in the best O for a QB and having a top 5 D in points against AND an above average OLine in his years in Philly. The record has went just as the D has. McNabb is the only perceived great modern QB to throw for under 60% for his career. He also takes a good amount of sacks for an athletic QB. Reid is a great coach.McNabb is an average QB.The Eagles will only win with McNabb iif they keep the OLine solid, have a great D and get a top 3 WR.
According to John Clayton, Sheppard has been given permission to seek a trade. Sheppard is wanting more money and Eagles may be wary about his health. Trade bait for Fitz may not be out of the question.
dotman
Footballguy
Since you claim to not be fishing, could you explain how McNabb failed miserably?
dotman
Footballguy
McNabb was in the best O? Oh you're right, McNabb was being carried by the likes of James Thrash and Todd Pinkston right? McNabb was running the best O. FYI, John Elway's completed 56.9% of his passes for his career. So turns out what you said about that is completely false.
dotman
Footballguy
Does McNabb remind anyone else of Elway? Only difference is McNabb has accomplished more at this point in his career as Elway had, but has had more serious injuries. People seem to be a lot harder on Donovan though, although maybe someone can tell me if that's true since I'm not old enough to really know if Elway got this much criticism early in his career.
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dotman
Footballguy
And they weren't really close to winning any of them. Did Broncos fans call him a miserable failure, or a choker back then? McNabb barely lost his, had great numbers, but all I ever hear is how he choked. He played a good game in my eyes, but in the end someone had to lose. To me, that doesn't mean he can't win another.
TitusIII
Footballguy
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElwaJo00.htm
Didn't realize how average John Elway was...so over-rated...
Didn't realize how average John Elway was...so over-rated...
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Who said I don't love them? You're misreading my posts. I LOVE the Eagles. I bleed green. Nowhere did I say the Eagles suck or anything of that sort. Nowhere did I say McNabb sucks or Reid sucks. I think you're interpreting and reading what you want to, and not what I'm saying. I think you're just lumping me in with every other "negadelphian" without reading what I'm saying.As for McNabb being more accomplished than those QBs... I don't really care about that. I care about who is good right now. Right now, I think those QBs are better than McNabb. If we were talking prime of their career, it would be a different story. But McNabb is not what he used to be, whereas all of those QBs are playing well and, in my eyes, better then McNabb. And with the exception of Bulger, at least those other QBs can finish out a season. McNabb is just constantly hurt. For the longest time I defended him against accusations of being injury prone, but I think it's finally time for me to face the music on that one.
So yes, the Eagles have been great over the past decade or so. Reid has done a lot for the Eagles. McNabb has done a lot for the Eagles. Through years and years of not having any legitimate WRs we still made it into the playoffs. So like I've said, Reid and McNabb are both very good at their jobs. However, I believe they've both done what they can and its best for both their careers and for the Eagles if they move on.
ETA: Nothing on Earth would make me happier than for us to win a SB with McNabb. There's so many people who say he sucks, I HATE it. These are the same people I've debated McNabb with time and time again for the past three or four years. Believe me, nothing would make me happier than seeing him hoist that trophy. I just no longer believe it will happen is all.
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dotman
Footballguy
Well if you think McNabb can be as average as a Hall of Famer than maybe we agree after all.
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