***OFFICIAL*** FFA Heavy Music Thread - No banal, anodyne "Dad Rock" BS here.. (2 Viewers)

[rockaction]

If Kim Thayil is Soundgarden's lead guitarrist, I've always felt he's the worst soloist in any major band.  He can wreck any song.

He is their lead guitarist. I think it depends on perspective, or perhaps it's my ignorance. His work on Ultramega OK was awesome.  It's like judging Mudhoney against traditional metal.  It's trippy sludge rock at that point in their band dynamic, but I'll defer. "Flower," which he wrote, is probably more up his alley than traditional metal.

eta* He was also named to Rolling Stone's hundred greatest guitarists of all-time, so there's at some critical consensus about what I'm saying.  

 

[Quint]

Uptempo?  Does that word mean something other than what I think it does?  Sword is usually slow sludgy dark metal (and I like it).

yeah, probably used the wrong word. DIPA clouding my brain last night. 

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

i posed the same question to some FB peeps and the general consensus for Top 5 "metal" voices (not "hard rock") seem to be something like this: 

1a. Bruce
1b. Halford
3. Dio
4. Ozzy
5. Sebastian Bach

Tate makes the Top 10, with some love for Axl, Mustaine, Cornell, Anselmo, Maynard, Corey Taylor, and Lanye Staley. 

Axl is a great front man but is voice stinks. IMO

Mustaine? cant sing a lick

Corey Taylor rules, love everything that guy does

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

new priest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QtjdDiMLVg

 

[psychobillies]

new priest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QtjdDiMLVg

Damn.  That's strong.

 

[psychobillies]

How about top 5 bass players? In no particular order:

Harris

Burton

Geezer

Lemmy

DiGiorgio?

 

[KarmaPolice]

How about top 5 bass players? In no particular order:

Harris

Burton

Geezer

Lemmy

DiGiorgio?

Don't know much about it, but Harris will always get my vote for #1.  Absolutely love that distinct sound of his bass.  

 

[MindCrime]

Don't know much about it, but Harris will always get my vote for #1.  Absolutely love that distinct sound of his bass.  

This. 

 

[DocHolliday]

i posed the same question to some FB peeps and the general consensus for Top 5 "metal" voices (not "hard rock") seem to be something like this: 

1a. Bruce
1b. Halford
3. Dio
4. Ozzy
5. Sebastian Bach

Tate makes the Top 10, with some love for Axl, Mustaine, Cornell, Anselmo, Maynard, Corey Taylor, and Lanye Staley. 

There is no wrong answer to these types of questions but my order without thinking much about this is:

tate

bruce

dio

halford

bach

good to see Sebastian get some love here. He was legit.  You could throw Hetfields name on a top ten list somewhere and I wouldn't argue.  His voice fits Metallica perfectly. 

 

[jamny]

How about top 5 bass players? In no particular order:

Harris

Burton

Geezer

Lemmy

DiGiorgio?

Gotta have Claypool in there.

 

[psychobillies]

Gotta have Claypool in there.

Is Primus metal?

 

[jdoggydogg]

I still remember this video on Beavis and Butthead. Can I make you an offer... You can't refuuuuuuuuuuuuuse! 

His whole head sucks.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Is Primus metal?

No way.

 

[jdoggydogg]

new priest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QtjdDiMLVg

 

[Evilgrin 72]

His whole head sucks.

Stop....in the name of all that which does not suck !

 

[jdoggydogg]

Stop....in the name of all that which does not suck !

Lord I miss Beavis and Butthead.

 

[jamny]

Is Primus metal?

No way.

I think they are. Sub genre if you want...funk metal?

What is this, if not metal?

 

[AcerFC]

For guys that listen to Sirius, what station is your go to these days

Mine was Faction, but they removed it from my radio. Now I listen to Lithium but they play the same stuff over and over. Octane has too many songs I dont like and I am not such a metal head that Liquid Metal goes on my favorites. Pearl Jam station is great, but sometimes you want to mix it up. I guess Boneyard is OK but it also has stuff I dont love.  I feel like Im a man with no station now that Faction is gone

They need to add Faction back to the lineup

 

[jamny]

For guys that listen to Sirius, what station is your go to these days

Mine was Faction, but they removed it from my radio. Now I listen to Lithium but they play the same stuff over and over. Octane has too many songs I dont like and I am not such a metal head that Liquid Metal goes on my favorites. Pearl Jam station is great, but sometimes you want to mix it up. I guess Boneyard is OK but it also has stuff I dont love.  I feel like Im a man with no station now that Faction is gone

They need to add Faction back to the lineup

Liquid Metal and occasionally flipping to Boneyard.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Liquid Metal and occasionally flipping to Boneyard.

This.  Pretty much these two channels only.  I go to PJ Radio and Howard 100 sometimes too, but for the most part it's these 2.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Liquid plays alot of crap too.

I rank em

Ozzys boneyard

Hair nation

Liquid metal

Lithiium

Turbo

Octane

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Liquid plays alot of crap too.

I rank em

Ozzys boneyard

Hair nation

Liquid metal

Lithiium

Turbo

Octane

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Yeah man!!!!!!

Id rather hear warrant and dokken than iced earth and cradle of filth

 

[jdoggydogg]

I think they are. Sub genre if you want...funk metal?

What is this, if not metal?

I love Primus. But they're probably too atonal to be funk.

I always called them Alternative Rock.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Lord I miss Beavis and Butthead.

One of my favorite video talkover bits was when Butthead mentioned how much Dave Mustaine sounds like Beavis.

 

[rockaction]

Too Many Puppies! 

Primus is alt/indie/jam. 

Not metal.  

Trujillo deserves mention as bess bassist, too. Infectious Grooves had some groove to them, and he gave Suicidal a whole new dynamic on Lights...Camera...Revolution.  

 

[jdoggydogg]

One of my favorite video talkover bits was when Butthead mentioned how much Dave Mustaine sounds like Beavis.

He really does.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Trujillo deserves mention as bess bassist, too. Infectious Grooves had some groove to them, and he gave Suicidal a whole new dynamic on Lights...Camera...Revolution.  

You lie, and yo bref stank!

(That song title always made me laugh out loud.)

 

[psychobillies]

Too Many Puppies! 

Primus is alt/indie/jam. 

Not metal.  

Trujillo deserves mention as bess bassist, too. Infectious Grooves had some groove to them, and he gave Suicidal a whole new dynamic on Lights...Camera...Revolution.  

I thought about Trujillo.  I wish he was still with Mike Muir.  I don't think his skills are really showcased well with Metallica.  Lord knows he's kicking ### with them, but in some ways I think his talent is being wasted with them.  He's not really doing "his thing" over there.

I certainly wouldn't fault anyone for putting him on the list.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Lost in Vegas are back with a new Gojira "Flying Whales" reaction video.

It's been awhile so I caught up with a handful I hadn't seen before - this one Deftones, Mastodon, Tool, Lamb of God, Soundgarden ....

 

[jdoggydogg]

It's been awhile so I caught up with a handful I hadn't seen before - this one Deftones, Mastodon, Tool, Lamb of God, Soundgarden ....

I think they should review Napalm Death.

 

[Tick]

I think they are. Sub genre if you want...funk metal?

What is this, if not metal?

Buddy played that in a high school talent show... it rawked.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I think they are. Sub genre if you want...funk metal?

What is this, if not metal?

Not metal. Funk metal? That's pretty close, actually. 

Now, this is definitely HEAVY. But not all things heavy are metal. I mean, Brahms is heavy.

 

[tom22406]

If you can get past the vocals the musicianship with this band is pretty good.They get labeled as progressive death metal.Check them out if you get a chance.

Obscura:

Akroasis

Ten Sepiroth

Weltseele-my favorite by a long shot

 

[jdoggydogg]

If you can get past the vocals the musicianship with this band is pretty good.They get labeled as progressive death metal.Check them out if you get a chance.

Oscura:

Akroasis

Ten Sepiroth

Weltseele-my favorite by a long shot

Awesome ####. Reminds me of the band I saw open for Gojira last year:

ONI "The Only Cure" 

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

If you can get past the vocals the musicianship with this band is pretty good.They get labeled as progressive death metal.Check them out if you get a chance.

Oscura:

Akroasis

Ten Sepiroth

Weltseele-my favorite by a long shot

Weltseele is great except for the singing. Why no go with a mastodon style? I dont get these medlodic death metal guys

 

[tom22406]

Weltseele is great except for the singing. Why no go with a mastodon style? I dont get these medlodic death metal guys

It very clearly isn't a style suited for many people but what hooks me in is the musicianship and the different changes they throw into their songs.I actually really like a ton of progressive stuff so this is right down my alley even if the vocals aren't the best.Hell,Dream Theater vocals make me cringe more.

 

[tom22406]

Awesome ####. Reminds me of the band I saw open for Gojira last year:

ONI "The Only Cure" 

First I've heard of them.Love it!

 

[jdoggydogg]

First I've heard of them.Love it!

If you ever get a chance to see Oni live, you must. They make Rush sound like GG Allin.

 

[KarmaPolice]

If you ever get a chance to see Oni live, you must. They make Rush sound like GG Allin.

Now I have the mental image of Geddy Lee cutting his face with a bottle and eating his own feces on stage. 

 

[Ghost Rider]

Very hard to argue with the top 3.  I would definitely have Tate over Ozzy though.  Ozzy is iconic, but I don't think his voice is that great.  

i posed the same question to some FB peeps and the general consensus for Top 5 "metal" voices (not "hard rock") seem to be something like this: 

1a. Bruce
1b. Halford
3. Dio
4. Ozzy
5. Sebastian Bach

Tate makes the Top 10, with some love for Axl, Mustaine, Cornell, Anselmo, Maynard, Corey Taylor, and Lanye Staley. 

Call me crazy, but I'd put Ozzy above Dio.  Yeah, Dio had the better voice, but Ozzy is on far more classic albums/songs, and his vocals are a reason many of them are classics, rather than him just happening to end up on albums and songs that are classics. That has to count for something.  And while it is a bit unusual, Ozzy's voice does have a unique melodic quality to it that elevates both verses and choruses above what the written melody was. 

As for the rest, there is no way on God's green earth I would put Rose or Mustaine anywhere close to the top 10. 

 

[FairWarning]

I would have Tate over Ozzy also.  

 

[jdoggydogg]

My top 10:

1. Rob Halford

2. Bruce Dickinson

3. Ronnie James Dio

4. Ozzy Osbourne

5. Phil Anselmo

6. Geoff Tate

7. King Diamond

8. Dave Mustaine

9. Mark Osegueda

10. Barney Greenway 

 

[DocHolliday]

Call me crazy, but I'd put Ozzy above Dio.  Yeah, Dio had the better voice, but Ozzy is on far more classic albums/songs, and his vocals are a reason many of them are classics, rather than him just happening to end up on albums and songs that are classics. That has to count for something.  And while it is a bit unusual, Ozzy's voice does have a unique melodic quality to it that elevates both verses and choruses above what the written melody was. 

As for the rest, there is no way on God's green earth I would put Rose or Mustaine anywhere close to the top 10. 

You're crazy.  

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

My top 10:

1. Rob Halford

2. Bruce Dickinson

3. Ronnie James Dio

4. Ozzy Osbourne

5. Phil Anselmo

6. Geoff Tate

7. King Diamond

8. Dave Mustaine

9. Mark Osegueda

10. Barney Greenway 

John bush is criminally underrated 

 

[Jaysus]

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[Evilgrin 72]

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That's where the banal, anodyne, Dad Rock BS lives.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

My top 10:

5. Phil Anselmo

By all reports a total jerk but he really could sing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OYw7FPB7CE

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Not considered a "great" singer, but one whose voice matched the music very well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSZ-0Mr30mU

 

[jdoggydogg]

By all reports a total jerk but he really could sing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OYw7FPB7CE

I am torn on Anselmo. It appears that Anselmo alienated all of Pantera with his drinking so badly that Anselmo was not invited to Dimebag's funeral. Tragic. But I've seen Anselmo interviewed a few times, and he just looks broken and full of remorse. I don't know, I guess I feel bad for him at this point.