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***OFFICIAL*** FFA Heavy Music Thread - No banal, anodyne "Dad Rock" BS here.. (1 Viewer)

I'm going to ghave to disagree on Candlebox too

So I agree on maybe 200, and disagree on three so far

I'm on the fence with Mountain...
Candlebox is close, but I said no for a couple of reasons :1) I haven't heard a single song of theirs that wasn't GAY

2) They came too late to be lumped in with the Bon Jovi/Cinderella/Dokken wave of hair metal.

That said, they are eerily reminiscent of the bands that were part of the scene discussed in point #2, so if you want to consider them metal for that reason, I can see the argument. Judgment call there.

 
How about "Captain and Tennile"?
Close, but not quite. Their cover of Cannibal Corpse's "F--ked With a Knife" was solid, but their previous work didn't give them enough street cred to be a full-blown metal act.
 
Like some others, I agree to disagree with Queen (I say No) and Rush (I say Yes). I also think Jane's Addiction is 100% Alt Rock and not metal.

Nonetheless...good stuff!

What say you on:

Saliva

Velvet Revolver

Taproot

Papa Roach

Chevelle

?

 
Like some others, I agree to disagree with Queen (I say No) and Rush (I say Yes). I also think Jane's Addiction is 100% Alt Rock and not metal.

Nonetheless...good stuff!

What say you on:

Saliva

Velvet Revolver

Taproot

Papa Roach

Chevelle

?
Queen, I will accept arguments either way. Rush is a little too clean to be metal, IMO, and Jane's vacillates between Alt Rock (Jane Says, Been Caught Stealing) and metal (Ocean Size, Mountain Song, Three Days, etc..) so they're on the fence. I think they're hard enough to be considered metal.These bands you name are getting into a gray area. They're all nu-metal except Velvet Revolver. I guess you can say yes to all of them - Velvet Revolver is spawned of GNR and STP, which are two borderline metal bands - both were hard rock acts that crossed over into the metal community, so I suppse Velvet Revolver is by default, although I've only heard about 3 of their songs, and at least one isn't metal. The others, I suppose are all metal, although that whole nu-metal wave is kind of like the hair bands of the 80s in that they are their own sub-genre.

 
Like some others, I agree to disagree with Queen (I say No) and Rush (I say Yes). I also think Jane's Addiction is 100% Alt Rock and not metal.

Nonetheless...good stuff!

What say you on:

Saliva

Velvet Revolver

Taproot

Papa Roach

Chevelle

?
Queen, I will accept arguments either way. Rush is a little too clean to be metal, IMO, and Jane's vacillates between Alt Rock (Jane Says, Been Caught Stealing) and metal (Ocean Size, Mountain Song, Three Days, etc..) so they're on the fence. I think they're hard enough to be considered metal.These bands you name are getting into a gray area. They're all nu-metal except Velvet Revolver. I guess you can say yes to all of them - Velvet Revolver is spawned of GNR and STP, which are two borderline metal bands - both were hard rock acts that crossed over into the metal community, so I suppse Velvet Revolver is by default, although I've only heard about 3 of their songs, and at least one isn't metal. The others, I suppose are all metal, although that whole nu-metal wave is kind of like the hair bands of the 80s in that they are their own sub-genre.
Fair enough :thumbup: How about Meat Loaf ? :hophead:

 
Ok, this should be the ultimate test of Evil Grin's intellectual honesty on this matter.

I give you:

Creed

???
Absolutely not, but they DO have a few metal songs. "Bullets" is straight up metal. The only reason I know this is because I got into this girl's car once and she put the CD on. I had no idea who it was, but about 30 seconds into the song, I asked : 'Who IS this ?" because it was heavy and I didn't know it, which I found odd. When she told me it was Creed, I about choked. Great tune, awful band.No.

Best thing about Creed is that when they broke up, I was at a BBQ restaurant having a Sierra Nevada draft when I see the following run on the scrolling news ticker on CNN :

"Rock band Creed breaks up..... universal outcry not expected...."

:lmao:

 
Like some others, I agree to disagree with Queen (I say No) and Rush (I say Yes). I also think Jane's Addiction is 100% Alt Rock and not metal.

Nonetheless...good stuff!

What say you on:

Saliva

Velvet Revolver

Taproot

Papa Roach

Chevelle

?
Queen, I will accept arguments either way. Rush is a little too clean to be metal, IMO, and Jane's vacillates between Alt Rock (Jane Says, Been Caught Stealing) and metal (Ocean Size, Mountain Song, Three Days, etc..) so they're on the fence. I think they're hard enough to be considered metal.These bands you name are getting into a gray area. They're all nu-metal except Velvet Revolver. I guess you can say yes to all of them - Velvet Revolver is spawned of GNR and STP, which are two borderline metal bands - both were hard rock acts that crossed over into the metal community, so I suppse Velvet Revolver is by default, although I've only heard about 3 of their songs, and at least one isn't metal. The others, I suppose are all metal, although that whole nu-metal wave is kind of like the hair bands of the 80s in that they are their own sub-genre.
Fair enough :thumbup: How about Meat Loaf ? :hophead:
Let me sleep on it................... :bag: OK, that was awful, I admit it. The answer is no. Plus, his name was Robert Paulson.

 
Ok, this should be the ultimate test of Evil Grin's intellectual honesty on this matter.

I give you:

Creed

???
Absolutely not, but they DO have a few metal songs. "Bullets" is straight up metal. The only reason I know this is because I got into this girl's car once and she put the CD on. I had no idea who it was, but about 30 seconds into the song, I asked : 'Who IS this ?" because it was heavy and I didn't know it, which I found odd. When she told me it was Creed, I about choked. Great tune, awful band.No.

Best thing about Creed is that when they broke up, I was at a BBQ restaurant having a Sierra Nevada draft when I see the following run on the scrolling news ticker on CNN :

"Rock band Creed breaks up..... universal outcry not expected...."

:lmao:
Look up "suck" in the dicitonary, and there's a picture of Creed.
 
Ok, this should be the ultimate test of Evil Grin's intellectual honesty on this matter.

I give you:

Creed

???
Absolutely not, but they DO have a few metal songs. "Bullets" is straight up metal. The only reason I know this is because I got into this girl's car once and she put the CD on. I had no idea who it was, but about 30 seconds into the song, I asked : 'Who IS this ?" because it was heavy and I didn't know it, which I found odd. When she told me it was Creed, I about choked. Great tune, awful band.No.

Best thing about Creed is that when they broke up, I was at a BBQ restaurant having a Sierra Nevada draft when I see the following run on the scrolling news ticker on CNN :

"Rock band Creed breaks up..... universal outcry not expected...."

:lmao:
So they are not a metal band that has a few metal songs. What about supposed "metal" bands that have a few non-metal songs. I'm missing the consistency here.My point: Creed may be suck-metal, but they're metal nonetheless. Not all metal is good.

 
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How is AC/DC metal but Zeppelin not? Zeppelin are more metal than AC/DC!

THIS THREAD MAKES NO SENSE
Wrong. Both are close, but while AC/DC is straightforward hard rock, Zeppelin was much more of a genre-hopping band.
If AC/DC are metal because of their 'subject matter' and 'attitude' then so are The Rolling Stones.
Dude, you don't need to try to make sense of it - that's what this thread is for, to give you an answer. AC/DC is metal. The Stones and Zeppelin are rock bands.
100% correct.Do the Stones or Zep have any songs like Dirty Deeds or Back in Black? :no:

 
Ok, this should be the ultimate test of Evil Grin's intellectual honesty on this matter.

I give you:

Creed

???
Absolutely not, but they DO have a few metal songs. "Bullets" is straight up metal. The only reason I know this is because I got into this girl's car once and she put the CD on. I had no idea who it was, but about 30 seconds into the song, I asked : 'Who IS this ?" because it was heavy and I didn't know it, which I found odd. When she told me it was Creed, I about choked. Great tune, awful band.No.

Best thing about Creed is that when they broke up, I was at a BBQ restaurant having a Sierra Nevada draft when I see the following run on the scrolling news ticker on CNN :

"Rock band Creed breaks up..... universal outcry not expected...."

:lmao:
So they are not a metal band that has a few metal songs. What about supposed "metal" bands that have a few non-metal songs. I'm missing the consistency here.My point: Creed may be suck-metal, but they're metal nonetheless. Not all metal is good.
I think they're not metal in the same way Zep isn't metal. A couple of metalish songs don't make you a metal band.
 
I'm going to have to say that Creed is not metal
Go here and listen to some of these tunes, and honestly tell me, if it weren't for the name "Creed," you still would say that at least half of these weren't metal songs.
songs 5-11 don't sound like metal to me, leaving 1-42 and 3 -- I couldn't hear enough of the songs to tell

These guys came in an era where a lot of "pop" songs used metal elements like crunchy guitars. they need more metallic elements to be considered "metal."

and :bag: I did not and still don't dislike Creed.

 
I'd call QOTSA straight stoner rock, and Kyuss & Clutch more of a stoner metal hybrid

Binge & Purge is definitely metal

 

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