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zed2283 said:
Happened again.  Started exchanging messages with a girl on OKC late Monday night.  Cute 25-year old that likes older men.  Messaged all day Tuesday, she gave me her number and we texted all Tuesday evening and night.  Very good conversation all day, talking about books we both like, what things there are to do in the area, etc.  She started getting flirty and asked if I kiss on the first date.  I told her I did if the situation called for it and asked if she did.  She said "If I go on a date with someone, it's because they're someone I want to kiss at the very least.  I'd love for ours to include breakfast, please."

We started trying to figure out when we would be able to get together.  Texted until 12:30 am Tuesday night when she suddenly dropped the conversation and... haven't heard from her since.

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Yeah, unfortunately you're doing something wrong to just not hold their interest.  My guess is you're being "too nice" and overly responsive.  Sounds strange, but it's completely true.  You quickly become boring to them.   Right or wrong, you need to maintain some sense of mystery to keep them hooked.  Be more forward flirty/sexually when the opportunity presents itself.  Be more sarcastic in a way that you could care less what they really think..no sweat off your back. YOU fall of the radar for a bit and get them wondering if you ghosted them.  Then follow up with a message the next day of how busy your life is with all of the amazing things you have going on and all the other people in your life wanting to bide for your precious time. She'll be intrigued and want to be a part of that world as well.  All the stuff that women have been doing to you...start doing to them.   Feels strange and wrong at first, but you'll quickly see it works like clockwork.

 
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zed2283 said:
Happened again.  Started exchanging messages with a girl on OKC late Monday night.  Cute 25-year old that likes older men.  Messaged all day Tuesday, she gave me her number and we texted all Tuesday evening and night.  Very good conversation all day, talking about books we both like, what things there are to do in the area, etc.  She started getting flirty and asked if I kiss on the first date.  I told her I did if the situation called for it and asked if she did.  She said "If I go on a date with someone, it's because they're someone I want to kiss at the very least.  I'd love for ours to include breakfast, please."

We started trying to figure out when we would be able to get together.  Texted until 12:30 am Tuesday night when she suddenly dropped the conversation and... haven't heard from her since.

:wall:
25-year-old that likes older men? Telling you she wants to spend the night on the first date?

Fake. Move on.

But also agree, you're not there to be texting pals. Get to a phone call right away, or forget it.

 
25-year-old that likes older men? Telling you she wants to spend the night on the first date?

Fake. Move on.

But also agree, you're not there to be texting pals. Get to a phone call right away, or forget it.
I REALLY disagree about the moving to phone calls quickly.  Women (especially 20's and 30's women) just don't communicate like this anymore and suggesting phone calls comes off as creepy old guy.  Just that suggestion alone too early will make them disappear.  Plus, a phone call really exposes any flaws in your game....it can quickly become awkward, and if the woman senses any type of non-confidence or whatever they feel is "lack of chemistry, by random silent moments while chatting on the call"....you're done.

With texting you have time to think about the proper responses and also incorporate all the things that I just mentioned above about not being so responsive, making her think you live this robust life, to keep them interested and intrigued.  

 
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My guess is she (or possibly he) was upset that you did not move on to sexting or hooking up immediately and found someone who did.  The hints seem pretty strong while you were just worried about setting up a date.  Someone moved much faster than you.  Take the hint and act on it immediately or some other guy will  

 
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I REALLY disagree about the moving to phone calls quickly.  Women (especially 20's and 30's women) just don't communicate like this anymore and suggesting phone calls comes off as creepy old guy.  Just that suggestion alone too early will make them disappear.  Plus, a phone call really exposes any flaws in your game....it can quickly become awkward, and if the woman senses any type of non-confidence or whatever they feel is "lack of chemistry, by random silent moments while chatting on the call"....you're done.
Would only say, that I agree that many girls prefer texting but in my case I have much better phone game than text game, so I definitely know my odds improve substantially if I get them on the phone.

As such, I think you play your strengths. That said, you can't suggest a call too quickly..but if you time it right you can look assertive and not desperate. 

 
Would only say, that I agree that many girls prefer texting but in my case I have much better phone game than text game, so I definitely know my odds improve substantially if I get them on the phone.

As such, I think you play your strengths. That said, you can't suggest a call too quickly..but if you time it right you can look assertive and not desperate. 
Maybe, but there are way more pitfalls that could happen with phone calls compared to texts in general

 
I'd guess your looks just barely made their minimum level and your personality pushed you below their acceptable level.  We all can't be FC42 beautiful. 

 
Thanks guys, some good advice here I think.  Will try to implement.

By the way, was deleting a bunch of text threads and came across one from January with a chick I met on Tinder.  We had communicated just a little bit and then I let it drop (don't really remember why, probably because she lived 1.5 hours away).  So for the heck of it I fired off a text to her, got the expected "who is this?" reply, sent her a pic and told her who I was.  She said "I don't remember talking to you, but you're attractive haha."

Started chatting and it turns out she moved to a city 3.5 hours away and is now working... wait for it... in the adult film industry.  We texted a while and then talked on the phone for about an hour.  Tentatively planning to meet up in a couple of weeks after she finishes with some shoots.

Yes, I am expecting to never hear from her again.

 
Thanks guys, some good advice here I think.  Will try to implement.

By the way, was deleting a bunch of text threads and came across one from January with a chick I met on Tinder.  We had communicated just a little bit and then I let it drop (don't really remember why, probably because she lived 1.5 hours away).  So for the heck of it I fired off a text to her, got the expected "who is this?" reply, sent her a pic and told her who I was.  She said "I don't remember talking to you, but you're attractive haha."

Started chatting and it turns out she moved to a city 3.5 hours away and is now working... wait for it... in the adult film industry.  We texted a while and then talked on the phone for about an hour.  Tentatively planning to meet up in a couple of weeks after she finishes with some shoots.

Yes, I am expecting to never hear from her again.
Obviously, you forgot to tell her you were a film producer.  

 
Yeah, unfortunately you're doing something wrong to just not hold their interest.  My guess is you're being "too nice" and overly responsive.  Sounds strange, but it's completely true.  You quickly become boring to them.   Right or wrong, you need to maintain some sense of mystery to keep them hooked.  Be more forward flirty/sexually when the opportunity presents itself.  Be more sarcastic in a way that you could care less what they really think..no sweat off your back. YOU fall of the radar for a bit and get them wondering if you ghosted them.  Then follow up with a message the next day of how busy your life is with all of the amazing things you have going on and all the other people in your life wanting to bide for your precious time. She'll be intrigued and want to be a part of that world as well.  All the stuff that women have been doing to you...start doing to them.   Feels strange and wrong at first, but you'll quickly see it works like clockwork.
I've heard this straight from the horse's mouth (cute 20-something chick) before.  As much as they say they don't want to play games, they want to play games.  The mystery attracts them.  The girl even told me that I should 'disappear for a week' and then make #### up like I've been out of town in Aruba.  

I'll probably be like Zed (I haven't started down the dating road quite yet), and be fighting myself on the "too nice" issue.  I'm glad to hear some of these pointers before the rubber meets the road.  

 
Yeah, unfortunately you're doing something wrong to just not hold their interest.  My guess is you're being "too nice" and overly responsive.  Sounds strange, but it's completely true.  You quickly become boring to them.   Right or wrong, you need to maintain some sense of mystery to keep them hooked.
I can vouch for this.  When I first entered the dating pool after divorce, I would have ladies want to text with me a lot. Of course I would oblige.  Then suddenly the tidal wave of texts stopped.  It wasn't like I was the one initiating the texting, so I didn't think I was coming across as needy or desperate.  I thought I was just responding in kind.  Yet apparently responding in kind is the wrong move, or sends the wrong message.

If someone starts text bombing a complete stranger like you, they can easily do that to anyone else.  While your ego wants you to believe there is something special about you that is causing them this irresistible urge to text incessantly with you, the reality is there isn't.  That behavior says more about them than it does you.

 
zed2283 said:
Happened again.  Started exchanging messages with a girl on OKC late Monday night.  Cute 25-year old that likes older men.  Messaged all day Tuesday, she gave me her number and we texted all Tuesday evening and night.  Very good conversation all day, talking about books we both like, what things there are to do in the area, etc.  She started getting flirty and asked if I kiss on the first date.  I told her I did if the situation called for it and asked if she did.  She said "If I go on a date with someone, it's because they're someone I want to kiss at the very least.  I'd love for ours to include breakfast, please."

We started trying to figure out when we would be able to get together.  Texted until 12:30 am Tuesday night when she suddenly dropped the conversation and... haven't heard from her since.
I know it's extremely hard, if not impossible, once they've made their minds up.  But is there any possible way for me to re-engage?  I really don't want to miss out on this one.  Wait a couple of weeks and text?  Anything that might work?  Offdee?  

 
I second not moving on to phone calls.

Texting might just bore her. #### or get off the pot. Text for a little bit, a few back and forths, then just get around to meeting in person. Text "Hey, this is fun and all, but I find I get to know a person better face-to-face rather than by text. I'm free after work Tuesday for a drink, 8pm at McSorley's."
Well that's what was weird.  We were ready to meet.  She lives an hour and a half away and we were working out our schedules (she works a weekend shift) when she disappeared.  It doesn't make sense to me.  :shrug:

 
I know it's extremely hard, if not impossible, once they've made their minds up.  But is there any possible way for me to re-engage?  I really don't want to miss out on this one.  Wait a couple of weeks and text?  Anything that might work?  Offdee?  
Yeah, there's really not much you can do. They'll see right through any lame attempt and just make your value drop even more in there mind....99% of any kind of follow up will just be interpreted as you're desperate and have no other options.

The absolute only play in my mind is to wait a full week, and then just write something like...."Looks like our busy exciting lives got the best of both of us, that's a shame, was enjoying the initial conversation.  Take care!"    And leave it at that.  

The most likely scenario is she reads it and rolls her eyes, but nowhere in there will she tag you as a lame desperate dude...you're not asking for anything and more or less closing the book.  There's a 5% off chance that message will peak some sort of interest again and not like that you're the one saying "see ya" and she'll respond with something.  That will be the key moment...you need to NOT reply back for a bit.    Let it sit and get her back on her heels like her thinking "maybe this guy's life is really exciting and he really doesn't have time or interest in me?  I don't like that!".   If she writes you again before you ever reply back than you know you're back in the saddle.

 
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Yeah, if she's being forward sexually I'd be like "Hey, I'm actually kind of bored right now if you feel like hanging out." Worst case is she says no, but that wouldn't necessarily preclude a future date. And you'd be surprised how often women will pop right over for sex.
I promise I was going for it.  But it was 12:30 and the logistics weren't happening.  So I suggested getting together the next day, she said "maybe" and that was it.

 
I promise I was going for it.  But it was 12:30 and the logistics weren't happening.  So I suggested getting together the next day, she said "maybe" and that was it.
12:30 wasn't too late for the young stud who was up to the call and banged her.  

 
25-year-old that likes older men? Telling you she wants to spend the night on the first date?

Fake. Move on.

But also agree, you're not there to be texting pals. Get to a phone call right away, or forget it.
Sounds fake to me too. Probably a player, as in being an online tease. If you're looking for someone serious online and you are an "older" guy, lose the 20 year olds group in your search.

 
I've heard this straight from the horse's mouth (cute 20-something chick) before.  As much as they say they don't want to play games, they want to play games.  The mystery attracts them.  The girl even told me that I should 'disappear for a week' and then make #### up like I've been out of town in Aruba.  

I'll probably be like Zed (I haven't started down the dating road quite yet), and be fighting myself on the "too nice" issue.  I'm glad to hear some of these pointers before the rubber meets the road.  
Yep.  It's a challenge when I'm attracted to a girl.  I constantly fight the urge to smother a bird early on so I play the game. It sounds odd but I initially try to picture the target as some fat repulsive beast I'm not interested in sexually.  It normally works out as it gives off that vibe that I don't care whether I sleep with them.  After the first date or two (generally have banged), I'm jetting off to Europe on 'business'.  Gotta give that p some time to breathe.  I keep the texting to a minimum and will occasionally reply with some witty banter.  When I'm back "in town" from my exciting life, the woman is question is usually quite keen.  I hate playing these games but if you're too eager, you're going to scare them off.

As for the iDating game, keep the chit chat to a minimum, get their number and meet IRL asap.  Say you're pretty busy and prefer real life interaction.   If you don't, you'll be quickly replaced by someone with more game.    I do this because there are so many fakes or girls just on there to tease guys.  Not to mention all the fatties posting dated pics when they were in the best shape of their life from spring break 2004.  

 
So just got back from date with girl #3 https://www.flickr.com/gp/24841795@N05/2to9rS (for the sake of this thread I am going to start posting pics). Amazing.  #1 (https://www.flickr.com/gp/24841795@N05/5AZBGQ) is still in the lead but fading fast.  Going on a continuation date tomorrow with #3 but, i have #1 coming over Saturday afternoon for the rest of the weekend.  

Girl #2 https://www.flickr.com/gp/24841795@N05/62LFg3 is scheduled for Monday.  No idea how to keep up with this.  To make things worse #4 keeps texting and there is now a #5.   A smart person told me no man can handle more than two women at any given time.  I will probably crash and burn but who cares.  Going to take offdee's advice and keep it to three.  Tough decisions next week friends. 

 
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Yep.  It's a challenge when I'm attracted to a girl.  I constantly fight the urge to smother a bird early on so I play the game. It sounds odd but I initially try to picture the target as some fat repulsive beast I'm not interested in sexually.  It normally works out as it gives off that vibe that I don't care whether I sleep with them.  After the first date or two (generally have banged), I'm jetting off to Europe on 'business'.  Gotta give that p some time to breathe.  I keep the texting to a minimum and will occasionally reply with some witty banter.  When I'm back "in town" from my exciting life, the woman is question is usually quite keen.  I hate playing these games but if you're too eager, you're going to scare them off.

As for the iDating game, keep the chit chat to a minimum, get their number and meet IRL asap.  Say you're pretty busy and prefer real life interaction.   If you don't, you'll be quickly replaced by someone with more game.    I do this because there are so many fakes or girls just on there to tease guys.  Not to mention all the fatties posting dated pics when they were in the best shape of their life from spring break 2004.  
Well said and good advice on trying to trick yourself into thinking they're unattractive.  Don't want to be like Jo-Jo the Indian Circus Boy

 
sbonomo said:
So just got back from date with girl #3 https://www.flickr.com/gp/24841795@N05/2to9rS (for the sake of this thread I am going to start posting pics). Amazing.  #1 (https://www.flickr.com/gp/24841795@N05/5AZBGQ) is still in the lead but fading fast.  Going on a continuation date tomorrow with #3 but, i have #1 coming over Saturday afternoon for the rest of the weekend.  

Girl #2 https://www.flickr.com/gp/24841795@N05/62LFg3 is scheduled for Monday.  No idea how to keep up with this.  To make things worse #4 keeps texting and there is now a #5.   A smart person told me no man can handle more than two women at any given time.  I will probably crash and burn but who cares.  Going to take offdee's advice and keep it to three.  Tough decisions next week friends. 
PICS!!!!!!!!   :tebow: :pickle:

#3 is a winner.  Good luck GB

 
Finally had *something* happen.  Started chatting with a 35-year old on OKC yesterday.  She's traveled a bunch so we had some things to talk about.  I asked her for coffee and she told me she and some friends would be playing music in the park downtown and invited me to come down.  So I went, she talked to me briefly about 3 times while playing bongos with her friends and otherwise ignoring me.  When they finally finished I asked her if she wanted to go get a coffee or take a walk.  She said she and her friends hadn't decided what they were doing yet.  I politely excused myself, saying that I didn't want to interfere in their plans, and she didn't object.

Baby steps.

 
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Finally had *something* happen.  Started chatting with a 35-year old on OKC yesterday.  She's traveled a bunch so we had some things to talk about.  I asked her for coffee and she told me she and some friends would be playing music in the park downtown and invited me to come down.  So I went, she talked to me briefly about 3 times while playing bongos with her friends and otherwise ignoring me.  When they finally finished I asked her if she wanted to go get a coffee or take a walk.  She said she and her friends hadn't decided what they were doing yet.  I politely excused myself, saying that I didn't want to interfere in their plans, and she didn't object.

Baby steps.
Sorry but she's not into you. If she had any interest, she would've invited you to join her and friends at minimum. Women make up their minds the first 3 mins of meeting you whether they will be sleeping with you, strictly friend zone or full future ignore. Just let that one go.

Good job of putting yourself out there though!  Good practice regardless.  It's all a numbers game GB.  

 
Sorry but she's not into you. If she had any interest, she would've invited you to join her and friends at minimum. Women make up their minds the first 3 mins of meeting you whether they will be sleeping with you, strictly friend zone or full future ignore. Just let that one go.

Good job of putting yourself out there though!  Good practice regardless.  It's all a numbers game GB.  
Oh yeah, no doubt about it.  No illusions about that one.  Although she did message me today and give me her phone number and facebook (for future friend purposes, no doubt).

Yeah, that's why I went and what I meant by baby steps.  Gotta get back into practice.

 
Oh yeah, no doubt about it.  No illusions about that one.  Although she did message me today and give me her phone number and facebook (for future friend purposes, no doubt).

Yeah, that's why I went and what I meant by baby steps.  Gotta get back into practice.
Is she someone that you were attracted to or no? If so, turn the tables on her with her contacting you with the info.  "Nice meeting you, but wasn't feeling the chemistry I'm looking for from my end. Another day, another friend right?!?"

Now the value of you in her mind just increased by ten fold. Worst case scenario she agrees and oh well that's where this was heading anyways. Best case scenario she thinks "this guy is turning ME down?!? No way..I must sleep with him now to show him he should want me!"

Sounds absolutely ridiculous, but this is how some women think.  The hotter they are, the better this works. They are used to guys fawning over them and having whatever they want. Turning the tables on them is something they are not used to = interest and mystery is now peaked. 

 
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Is she someone that you were attracted to or no? If so, turn the tables on her with her contacting you with the info.  "Nice meeting you, but wasn't feeling the chemistry I'm looking for from my end. Another day, another friend right?!?"

Now the value of you in her mind just increased by ten fold. Worst case scenario she agrees and oh well that's where this was heading anyways. Best case scenario she thinks "this guy is turning ME down?!? No way..I must sleep with him now to show him he should want me!"

Sounds absolutely ridiculous, but this is how some women think.  The hotter they are, the better this works. They are used to guys fawning over them and having whatever they want. Turning the tables on them is something they are not used to = interest and mystery is now peaked. 
She was alright, but nothing I'd be too excited about past a slump buster.  She seems like kind of a down-to-earth, not-quite-hippie chick so I'm not sure that would work anyway.

 
Is she someone that you were attracted to or no? If so, turn the tables on her with her contacting you with the info.  "Nice meeting you, but wasn't feeling the chemistry I'm looking for from my end. Another day, another friend right?!?"

Now the value of you in her mind just increased by ten fold. Worst case scenario she agrees and oh well that's where this was heading anyways. Best case scenario she thinks "this guy is turning ME down?!? No way..I must sleep with him now to show him he should want me!"

Sounds absolutely ridiculous, but this is how some women think.  The hotter they are, the better this works. They are used to guys fawning over them and having whatever they want. Turning the tables on them is something they are not used to = interest and mystery is now peaked. 
Nothing like playing games... Just forget said chic.

 
Nothing like playing games... Just forget said chic.
Like it or not, online dating is all games at the beginning. That's just the structure of how that system is set up. ESPECIALLY when trying to date the good looking women. Guys have to somehow stand out amongst the very crowded field to get (and hold) their attention. That means some games are necessary (and some timing luck, to be honest). Just the harsh reality. 

 
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Like it or not, online dating is all games at the beginning. That's just the structure of how that system is set up. ESPECIALLY when trying to date the good looking women. Guys have to somehow stand out amongst the very crowded field to get (and hold) their attention. That means some games are necessary (and some timing luck, to be honest). Just the harsh reality. 
Offdee is correct here. I've noticed this exact thing with a few women over my lifetime where I'm out kicking the coverage a little, so to speak at least looks wise. I've had instances where they ended up being bad news, interesting as staring at the wall, etc. You stop calling them or you say it's not working, they explode. Offdee's right on, girls like this are used to getting what they want and it drives them nuts when they don't. I had a girl once (she was in fact crazy, long story) call/text repeatedly when I said I couldn't get together on a weeknight because I was working late, and actually was. Exact words from her, "sorry, but I'm not used to not getting what I want." Makes no sense until you see this side of it. 

 
I just perused POF's offerings in my area.  Oooof.  I guess if you're a chubby chaser or into the trailer scene, that site is for you.  

Speaking of which, do you guys get bombarded by the ugly chicks?  I assume most guys gravitate to the best looking 20% women, leaving the fat and uglies to do some of the leg work of their own.  

 
Finally had *something* happen.  Started chatting with a 35-year old on OKC yesterday.  She's traveled a bunch so we had some things to talk about.  I asked her for coffee and she told me she and some friends would be playing music in the park downtown and invited me to come down.  So I went, she talked to me briefly about 3 times while playing bongos with her friends and otherwise ignoring me.  When they finally finished I asked her if she wanted to go get a coffee or take a walk.  She said she and her friends hadn't decided what they were doing yet.  I politely excused myself, saying that I didn't want to interfere in their plans, and she didn't object.

Baby steps.
Just to be clear, how many times have you asked her for coffee at this point?

 
Quit texting so much. You're a grown ### man. leave the texting til midnight for the high school kids. 

Txt enough to gain interest, then have a phone call. Be funny on the phone and interesting and figure out a time to have a drink over phone. Go on date. 

Based on your posts you are doing something wrong
Correct.

 
I REALLY disagree about the moving to phone calls quickly.  Women (especially 20's and 30's women) just don't communicate like this anymore and suggesting phone calls comes off as creepy old guy.  Just that suggestion alone too early will make them disappear.  Plus, a phone call really exposes any flaws in your game....it can quickly become awkward, and if the woman senses any type of non-confidence or whatever they feel is "lack of chemistry, by random silent moments while chatting on the call"....you're done.

With texting you have time to think about the proper responses and also incorporate all the things that I just mentioned above about not being so responsive, making her think you live this robust life, to keep them interested and intrigued.  
No amount of texting is going to convince them youre not a creepy old guy.  In fact, the opposite.  Old guy who likes to text should be a red flag to women.

 
I second not moving on to phone calls.

Texting might just bore her. #### or get off the pot. Text for a little bit, a few back and forths, then just get around to meeting in person. Text "Hey, this is fun and all, but I find I get to know a person better face-to-face rather than by text. I'm free after work Tuesday for a drink, 8pm at McSorley's."
Guess it depends how good you are on the phone.  Frankly I'd rather make a good phone impression than try to make a good first impression based on looks. If your looks are your main selling point then go straight to meeting, but if that's the case then why do you need advice in this thread?

 
Maybe, but there are way more pitfalls that could happen with phone calls compared to texts in general
Totally disagree, but everyone is different.  For me trying to sound interesting in a text is lame.  When I listen to someone I can hear the tone of their and carry on the conversation appropriately. I tend to make a lot of jokes and they don't work by text.

 
I just perused POF's offerings in my area.  Oooof.  I guess if you're a chubby chaser or into the trailer scene, that site is for you.  

Speaking of which, do you guys get bombarded by the ugly chicks?  I assume most guys gravitate to the best looking 20% women, leaving the fat and uglies to do some of the leg work of their own.  




 
When I was on the dating sites, especially in the early going, I got a lot of "likes" or whatever from women who were not what I was interested in. It's a bit like real life in that regard, I think. Again, it is common knowledge now that pics can be misleading but I was always wary of the profile that didn't give something like a full body shot.

 
Like it or not, online dating is all games at the beginning. That's just the structure of how that system is set up. ESPECIALLY when trying to date the good looking women. Guys have to somehow stand out amongst the very crowded field to get (and hold) their attention. That means some games are necessary (and some timing luck, to be honest). Just the harsh reality. 




 
i think that may be true when you're strictly playing the field. It's different when you are seeking a relationship of some sort. And it's definitely different when you are older (say, 35+).

 
She was alright, but nothing I'd be too excited about past a slump buster.  She seems like kind of a down-to-earth, not-quite-hippie chick so I'm not sure that would work anyway.
She sounds like a hippie-chick to me.  Is playing the bongos a normal thing?  Back in my day anyone that played the bongos definitely had dreads, smelled like patchouli, and hung out with the Rainbow Group.

 
I feel like my humor misses Major most of the time.

I agree.  The girl who thinks coffee is a good date is not the girl you want to pursue

 

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