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*Official* - Jeremy Langford (2 Viewers)

Whatever anyone think is making him put up poor numbers doesn't mean a lot.  He's still putting up terrible numbers.  After watching him this year and last,  the guy cannot break a tackle and isn't targeted in the pass game.  Loggains is an absolute moron. 
Loggains isn't a moron...he's a genius!!!!!

 He sees the potential greatness in Jordan Howard, and is slowly ramping him up, and gradually acclimating him to the NFL.

 Signed -

 Jordan Howard owner in almost all leagues.     :excited:

 
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Please educate me on why Howard looks so much better than Langford.  I don't want just opinion either, I want stats and actual results.
He didn't.  He "burst" through a truck sized hole for 36 yards which was the extent of his rushing output, then picked up about 40 yards of literal garbage time receiving in the last couple minutes of the game.  Langford is nothing to write home about, but then again neither is Howard. They are two completely different backs with different strengths/weaknesses, both stuck on a ####ty ### team.  This "Howard is great, here he comes I told ya" talk is nonsense.  Mediocre.  End of discussion.

 
He didn't.  He "burst" through a truck sized hole for 36 yards which was the extent of his rushing output, then picked up about 40 yards of literal garbage time receiving in the last couple minutes of the game.  Langford is nothing to write home about, but then again neither is Howard. They are two completely different backs with different strengths/weaknesses, both stuck on a ####ty ### team.  This "Howard is great, here he comes I told ya" talk is nonsense.  Mediocre.  End of discussion.
Thank God someone else sees this.  It's like everyone is blinded by hatred for Langford.  They are both RBs that have some skills but are playing behind a bad OL.  When they have a nice hole to run through they put up great yards otherwise they get zero.  They can both catch passes well too.  I haven't seen Howard add much more than what Langford offered other than Howard hits harder when going into defenders.

 
Are you stuck with Langford on your fantasy roster?

Is there no one on the wire you can pick up?
No.  I don't have him on any teams right now.  I had him on one and just dropped him for Howard.  I just don't know what people are missing.  It's like they are stuck on that article written by Clay this Spring.

Howard is going to have similar results to Langford.  Not due to lack of skill but because of the OL and the coaching staff.  He's not going to give you great numbers when he has multiple zero and negative runs on only 10 attempts.  He's going to have minimal yards rushing and some receptions and that's about it until the line improves and the OC calls a better game.

 
That's not even close to being true.  Howard is having the same exact problems that Langford is being criticized for.
I'm not so sure I'm hearing the same problems from Fox. What Fox seemed to be unhappy about Langford is that he left a lot of yards on the field. Clearly as coaches they see things that we don't - seemingly the reason Howard was given more and more carries (and now most likely the lead gig).

 
I'm not so sure I'm hearing the same problems from Fox. What Fox seemed to be unhappy about Langford is that he left a lot of yards on the field. Clearly as coaches they see things that we don't - seemingly the reason Howard was given more and more carries (and now most likely the lead gig).
The only reason Howard has gotten more and more carries is because Carey got hurt and now Langford is hurt.  I still think he deserved more carries but that's usually not Fox's thing to use rookies a lot.

I keep hearing people say ho Howard looked really good last night he deserves to be the starter but what did he do better last night?

 
other than Howard hits harder when going into defenders.
not to pile on u hawk, but this in ur own words is huge imo. everyone can see the o-line is a big factor in their run game failure, so it's even bigger when u consider they won't have many holes to run through.

We know Langford sucks.  Maybe Howard doesn't.
this is pretty much all there is to the optimism on howard for now. and thanks to the injury howard will have a chance to show whether he's another langford or not. opportunity established = fantasy board funtime.

 
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I think Howard has a great opportunity but I have just been trying to clarify a lot of falsehood on here.  So far what everyone thinks is not true.  Going by the limited time we've seen Howard this year he hasn't done anything to show he is that much better than Langford.  Look at every long run Howard had so far and you will see a huge hole that he ran through yet people see that as him being faster and more explosive.  Langford had a hole just like that last night and rattled off 23 yards before getting hurt.  When Howard didn't have that hole he couldn't gain more than 3 yards and actually had negative yards on two of his 9 attempts.  Other than those two open runs he was terrible running the ball but that had more to do with the OL, the same issues Langford has had.

 
The only reason Howard has gotten more and more carries is because Carey got hurt and now Langford is hurt.  I still think he deserved more carries but that's usually not Fox's thing to use rookies a lot.
Howard was getting work last week, so it wasn't just after Langford got hurt. Clearly Fox saw things on the field about Langford that we can't/didn't.

As for Fox not playing rookies, I think that has been shown to be erroneous. Langford himself got a lot of work last year even when Forte returned.

 
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Howard was getting work last week, so it wasn't just after Langford got hurt. Clearly Fox saw things on the field about Langford that we can't/didn't.

As for Fox not playing rookies, I think that has been shown to be erroneous. Langford himself got a lot of work last year even when Forte returned.
I didn't say he wasn't getting any work.  The first week he didn't even play.  Last week he got carries because Carey was out.  This week he got even more because Langford got hurt.  That's the reason for the increase.  He got 3 carries last week and 9 this week.

As for the Fox not playing rookies deal, I'm not sure how much I believe that either.  Maybe it was true in the past but you are right, he played Langford a decent amount this year and Howard will have plenty of chanced this year.

 
Thank God someone else sees this.  It's like everyone is blinded by hatred for Langford.  They are both RBs that have some skills but are playing behind a bad OL.  When they have a nice hole to run through they put up great yards otherwise they get zero.  They can both catch passes well too.  I haven't seen Howard add much more than what Langford offered other than Howard hits harder when going into defenders.
Sees what?  What are you talking about?  No one is saying Howard is the next great rb.  What we do know is Langford has been mostly terrible and it's time to try another guy.  Low and behold,  they did and he already put up better numbers than Langford.  It's not that hard to see.  I'm sorry you got burned by drafting Langford but it's smart to cut your losses and move on.  The Bears can't do that completely,  though.  

 
I think Howard has a great opportunity but I have just been trying to clarify a lot of falsehood on here.  So far what everyone thinks is not true.  Going by the limited time we've seen Howard this year he hasn't done anything to show he is that much better than Langford.  Look at every long run Howard had so far and you will see a huge hole that he ran through yet people see that as him being faster and more explosive.  Langford had a hole just like that last night and rattled off 23 yards before getting hurt.  When Howard didn't have that hole he couldn't gain more than 3 yards and actually had negative yards on two of his 9 attempts.  Other than those two open runs he was terrible running the ball but that had more to do with the OL, the same issues Langford has had.
This is a very strange argument to me.  Langford has looked like total garbage for most of his time with the Bears,  except for a few plays.  We know he's not very good by now.  Howard has looked better than Langford in his limited carries so Howard should get more carries to see how he does.  It's simple as that. 

 
This is a very strange argument to me.  Langford has looked like total garbage for most of his time with the Bears,  except for a few plays.  We know he's not very good by now.  Howard has looked better than Langford in his limited carries so Howard should get more carries to see how he does.  It's simple as that. 
You've had a hard on for Langford ever since last season when he came in for an injured Forte and performed just as well.  I told you all season that the Bears were going to let Forte walk and you argued tooth and nail with me. Turns out you were wrong and that just made your hate for Langford grow worse. You should really calm down and give it a rest. It's two years of you acting like Langford ran out on your sister or something.  Very weird, actually.

 
You've had a hard on for Langford ever since last season when he came in for an injured Forte and performed just as well.  I told you all season that the Bears were going to let Forte walk and you argued tooth and nail with me. Turns out you were wrong and that just made your hate for Langford grow worse. You should really calm down and give it a rest. It's two years of you acting like Langford ran out on your sister or something.  Very weird, actually.
 I was very wrong on the Bears not keeping Forte.  I didn't think there was any way they would let him walk.  But they did.  And what a great decision it appears to have been.   What exactly should I "give it a rest"  on?  You're making yourself look insane with that post.  Langford blows.  Almost everyone sees it.  Deal with it or keep your head in the sand.  Move along 

 
From what I saw of Howard and Langford in the game last night is pretty much what Haweye21 is saying. Neither RB looked very good aside from each having a big run where they actually had good blocking to work with.

Howard 9 rushing attempts 45 yards with a long of 36 yards. That is 8 rushing attempts for 9 yards aside from the big run. 1 yard per carry besides that.

Langford 3 rushing attempts 31 yards with a long of 23 yards. That is 2 rushing attempts for 8 yards aside from the big run. 4 yards per carry besides that.

Howard was more effective as a receiver in the game, but as noted a lot of these receptions came in garbage time with the Cowboys defense laying off somewhat and letting the Bears have that.

I was actually somewhat disapointed with Howards yards after contact, as I thought that was something he does better than Langford does.

Howards efficiency as a receiver is something I am impressed with, as I thought Langford was a better receiving option than Howard, but that doesn't seem to be the case. This is where Howards power may come into play a bit more, in one on one situations, he is able to break tackles and gain yards after contact a bit better than Langford when out in space. 

Several of Howards runs aside from the big one he was being gang tackled by more than one defender, so harder to make something happen there compared to a one on one.

I do think Howard is more of a player that John Fox prefers, because of his ability to gain yards after contact, compared to Langford and that is why I think he is the better option between these two RB in the long run. I wouldn't say Howard looked any better as a runner than Langford did in this game however.

I think the Bears let their best RB, Matt Forte leave as a free agent. I didn't expect them to do that and after 3 weeks it seems like a bad move on their part. Saving money is not a good enough reason. If they really wanted to win, I think they should have kept Forte who is a really good player and better than either of the guys they have now. I cannot really explain why they did that unless Forte didn't want to stay with the team.

 
 I was very wrong on the Bears not keeping Forte.  I didn't think there was any way they would let him walk.  But they did.  And what a great decision it appears to have been.   What exactly should I "give it a rest"  on?  You're making yourself look insane with that post.  Langford blows.  Almost everyone sees it.  Deal with it or keep your head in the sand.  Move along 
He 'blew' all last season too.  Yet he kept his job and they let Forte walk. I don't think his limited touches this season are enough to draw the concrete conclusion that he sucks. I thought he looked good last night.  Since you're a Bears fan, perhaps you noticed that the line isn't exactly the 93 Cowboys. No one is, or ever has, said that he's the next Adrian Peterson. You just seem to have this very strange obsession for talking crap about Langford. Two years now. It's weird.

 
He 'blew' all last season too.  Yet he kept his job and they let Forte walk. I don't think his limited touches this season are enough to draw the concrete conclusion that he sucks. I thought he looked good last night.  Since you're a Bears fan, perhaps you noticed that the line isn't exactly the 93 Cowboys. No one is, or ever has, said that he's the next Adrian Peterson. You just seem to have this very strange obsession for talking crap about Langford. Two years now. It's weird.
Flap is pretty straight forward, but yea he's got a hard spot for the Lanford guy.   Really don't know how much of the Chicago RB situation I want.   That O line sucks.  Cutler was getting killed, thus injured.   Cutler is tough though, IMO.

 
Forte injury not serious from what I read, this guy is a 2-3 week play as it stands right now, is this not correct?

Also had a really bad drop, so I don't how confident they are in his receiving abilities.
They're confident is his catching ability. It was a bad drop but just one drop.
My first post in this thread.  Yeah,  I've really been hating on Langford for two years!  What's wrong with me?! 

 
He was an outright cut in my eyes before Sunday night considering what he has shown, the Oline, and the Bears offense generally speaking. Even if he comes back in 4-6, is he worth the roster spot he hijacks during the byes? Fat chance.  :no:

 
I honestly believe that Langford and Howard can both be good RBs but they need a better OL and play calling.  No RB, not even Forte, can look good in this offense right now.  Not when they are getting hit in the backfield as soon that they take the hand off.  When there is no where to run it's not the RBs fault.  The only player getting out of that is Barry Sanders.

I'm not trying to say that Langford is great or that Howard isn't very good but I'm getting tired of seeing all the posts online about how Howard is so much better and he's the answer when he hasn't performed any better.  It's just ridiculous how the general public still has the Clay article about Langford stuck in their heads and has seen Howard get a couple big gains running through a huge hole and think he's the answer.  No RB is the answer with this OL and OC right now.  I expect the OL to get better as they play together more but Loggains sucks bad at calling an offense.

 
I honestly believe that Langford and Howard can both be good RBs but they need a better OL and play calling.  No RB, not even Forte, can look good in this offense right now.  Not when they are getting hit in the backfield as soon that they take the hand off.  When there is no where to run it's not the RBs fault.  The only player getting out of that is Barry Sanders.

I'm not trying to say that Langford is great or that Howard isn't very good but I'm getting tired of seeing all the posts online about how Howard is so much better and he's the answer when he hasn't performed any better.  It's just ridiculous how the general public still has the Clay article about Langford stuck in their heads and has seen Howard get a couple big gains running through a huge hole and think he's the answer.  No RB is the answer with this OL and OC right now.  I expect the OL to get better as they play together more but Loggains sucks bad at calling an offense.
Look, just keep the play calling terrible until after the Vikings have played both games.  We don't need the Bears putting up a fight.

 
Look, just keep the play calling terrible until after the Vikings have played both games.  We don't need the Bears putting up a fight.
Hahahahaha!!!  You can't seriously be worried about the Bears as a Vikings fan?  The Bears can make some major improvements and still not have much of a chance.  That Vikings defense is great this year.  I would be happy to see the them just make it a close game.

 
Hahahahaha!!!  You can't seriously be worried about the Bears as a Vikings fan?  The Bears can make some major improvements and still not have much of a chance.  That Vikings defense is great this year.  I would be happy to see the them just make it a close game.
Leave nothing to chance.  Give it to the Bears' brain trust to ensure Viking wins. :)

 
Bears should've asked my advice and they wouldn't be in this mess at rb. 
You should listen to Hawkeye...  I don't think any of the Bears backs look great but the offense is a mess.  Lost center in the pres-season.  Guys hit still in the backfield.   Kevin White (more like Kevin Green) learning on the fly.  3 and out for the offense.  Defense can't get off the field.  They must be close to the worst time of possession in the league.

Make Langford your scapegoat (maybe Fox already has).    He really hasn't had a chance to get untracked this season.

 
Thank God someone else sees this.  It's like everyone is blinded by hatred for Langford.  They are both RBs that have some skills but are playing behind a bad OL.  When they have a nice hole to run through they put up great yards otherwise they get zero.  They can both catch passes well too.  I haven't seen Howard add much more than what Langford offered other than Howard hits harder when going into defenders.
Not true. Howard gets more yards after contact.any graded h as the best pure runner in this class or at least top tier as a pure runner. His biggest question mark was catching passes.

 
The only reason Howard has gotten more and more carries is because Carey got hurt and now Langford is hurt.  I still think he deserved more carries but that's usually not Fox's thing to use rookies a lot.

I keep hearing people say ho Howard looked really good last night he deserves to be the starter but what did he do better last night?
YAC

 
I think Howard has a great opportunity but I have just been trying to clarify a lot of falsehood on here.  So far what everyone thinks is not true.  Going by the limited time we've seen Howard this year he hasn't done anything to show he is that much better than Langford.  Look at every long run Howard had so far and you will see a huge hole that he ran through yet people see that as him being faster and more explosive.  Langford had a hole just like that last night and rattled off 23 yards before getting hurt.  When Howard didn't have that hole he couldn't gain more than 3 yards and actually had negative yards on two of his 9 attempts.  Other than those two open runs he was terrible running the ball but that had more to do with the OL, the same issues Langford has had.
Don't think anyone said howard is faster than lanford. That is the one category Langford is better than howard. But in most all other rb categories howard is better. Size, power especially.

 
Howard was more effective as a receiver in the game, but as noted a lot of these receptions came in garbage time with the Cowboys defense laying off somewhat and letting the Bears have that.
What about the Bears team makes you think this won't be the case for most weeks going fwd? I made a small fortune riding Gordon in CLE during garbage time. Brees is a monster because he has no defense. Perfect opp for a pass catching rb in chi.

 
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What about the Bears team makes you think this won't be the case for most weeks going fwd? I made a small fortune riding Gordon in CLE during garbage time. Brees is a monster because he has no defense. Perfect opp for a pass catching rb in chi.
Nothing makes me think this wont continue to be the case for the Bears. The only reason I mention this is because if we are comparing the two players efficiency, the yards per reception or yards per target are being inflated somewhat due to the situation of the opposing defense laying off.

Prior to the season starting I kind of thought their pass rush and front 7 had been improved, but key players such as Houston and McPhee are injured, so they don't have enough pass rush.without them. I didn't expect the secondary to be improved from last season, but I thought they might be better due to improved pass rush, and also be better against the run.

Nope.

As far as Howard as a receiving option, he wasn't used as much as a receiver as Tevin Coleman was the year before, and not as much as Langford was used as a receiver with Michigan. So I assumed Langford was a better receiving option than Howard. However after 3 games that does not seem to be the case.

 
Am picking up the rookie Howard (don't own Langford but figured this was as good as any spot to discuss). Think Howard will start to get some run here soon, Langford has looked terrible and Carrey isn't doing anything.
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