Official Johnny Manziel Thread (3 Viewers)

[MAC_32]

now he's been compared to Peyton Manning?

he has a lot to prove, and he needs to put in a lot of work before being compared to the likes of Brady and Manning.

and Gronk? a guy playing TE in the same system for the last four years? yeah, i personally don't expect the same level of preparation from the two of them.

Wow, you always twist peoples words around this much?

He's no different than every other rookie who ever entered the league. They all have a lot to prove.

And Gronk was good as a rookie and at a position that some feel is the hardest in the league to adapt all the while partying and having a good time.

As for MKC's hatchet job not adding up it's not that complicated.

you brought up Manning. a guy that can afford to take a few days off at this point in his career.Gronk is in his 5th year, so i'm not sure why you're comparing him to a rookie.

and yes, please explain to me why the mouthpiece of the Browns is supposedly trashing their first round QB.

plain dealer needs all the clicks they can get. Gotta keep up with crotchety Grossi too.

i thought the narrative was that she was the Browns mouthpiece, no?whose agenda is she pushing? the Browns or the Plain Dealer's?

gotta balance, now is the right time to lean pd since everyone is looking for something negative with Manziel, confirmation bias is a fun animal. she will go back to the puppet act to make them happy soon enough.

fair enough, i suppose.my interpretation is that they are wearing a bit thin and she is acting as a bit of a middleman, as it were.

i could admittedly be wrong on that though. sometimes these situations are very nebulous.

until someone comes out and says it's a problem it isn't a problem. No one has. Players have #####ed about the media constantly asking them. That's it. The rest is from bs anonymous sources. Ones that didn't begin to magically start appearing til he got to town. Things were under lock and key with these guys up to that point. No one could extract any info. Now all of a sudden all of these leaks are opening? I don't buy it.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported on SportsCenter Friday that the Browns have approached Johnny Manziel about "toning it down," with regard to his actions on social media.

Owner Jimmy Haslam was "bothered" by Manziel's recent posting of a "Money Phone" (stack of bills held to the ear) on Instagram. The Browns seem more concerned with Manziel's social media behavior than his well-publicized weekend partying. Approached by the Cleveland Plain Dealer Friday morning, Manziel told the paper "I don't think I'm doing anything wrong," and "I'm not going to change for anybody." Earlier this month, Ben Tate described media coverage of Manziel as "annoying," hinting it may be a distraction in the locker room. ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi stated Friday that he's never seen Manziel-like behavior from a Browns player. Grossi has been covering the Browns for 30 years. Jun 27 - 3:06 PM

First of all, Chris Mortensen isn't some "bs anonymous source" he's one of the more respected journalists in the business.

Second, while this isn't exactly about his partying and Rotoworld obviously put their random spin of "The Browns seem more concerned with Manziel's social media behavior than his well-publized weekend partying" which can't be trusted either it's just Rotoworld making something up. Just because we got a report of the Browns mad about his social media doesn't mean they're not mad about his consistent partying.

Third and the real kicker to me is this... Manziel was told by his coaches, GM and owner to quit it and instead he goes out to the media and says "I don't think I'm doing anything wrong, I'm not going to change for anybody". That is not the attitude he can afford to have. If he just continues to act the way he has and gives the proverbial middle finger to his coaches, teammates and ownership, he can kiss his chances of seeing any on the field time goodbye. Doesn't matter how good he is, he's a snobby brat who has had everything handed to him his entire life. He'll learn real quick that his options are either change or give up.

still looking for direct quotes and not mort click whoring during the nfl dead period, just like they all did with tebow before he no longer got them enough clicks.

 

[menobrown]

Second, while this isn't exactly about his partying and Rotoworld obviously put their random spin of "The Browns seem more concerned with Manziel's social media behavior than his well-publized weekend partying" which can't be trusted either it's just Rotoworld making something up. Just because we got a report of the Browns mad about his social media doesn't mean they're not mad about his consistent partying.

I actually am with Roto for the most part on this one and why I think everyone has been off base with this notion that Manziel taking time to enjoy himself is equatable to not studying the playbook or working on his craft.

I don't think the Browns are in any way concerned that the way he is spending his off-season will lead to decreased on-field performance. I think their concern is Manziel not embracing the face of the franchise role most teams want their QB to be, especially in a blue collar type region. This is why the Mort reported the "money phone" was a big deal to Haslam, that's the type of PR stuff that in general does not play that well to some but can be especially negative to segments of a blue collar fan base.

Here is an excerpt from a chat from Tony Grossi yesterday which again I think alludes to the fact I don't think the Browns issue is with him not preparing himself for the season.

Hey Tony: Johnny Manziel says he's not doing anything wrong and he's not changing for anyone. He also says that he's doing everything he can to be the best he can be in football. Really? Earth to Johnny … to become a great QB you must be a leader! I can't see Joe Thomas following Manziel if he keeps this up. The players will have to make excuses for the drinking, partying and antics of their QB. There is a big difference going to Vegas and being seen drinking and out of control in Vegas. He's just not the same Manziel that was interviewed by Jon Gruden. You're a professional Johnny! Start acting like one!

-- Rick, Shreveport, LA

Hey Rick: One thing I agree with Manziel on is that his weekend partying has not affected his job. Everyone with the Browns attests to the fact that Manziel has been exemplary in the meeting room and on the field. I would say that he has been highly professional in that respect. He also has palpable leadership qualities. The off-the-field stuff will subside, I believe, once training camp starts.

 

[Donnybrook]

It seems everyone wants to give Manzielf advice. Last week, it was Joe Montana and this week it is Akili Smith. lol

Doesn't anyone recall when Carson Palmer as a rookie took a trip with his wife to Vegas? He apparently stayed out all night, slept on the couch and his clothes had to be sent to Cinci because his wife refused to pack them.

The media is going to make a huge deal out of anything happening in the football world since there is absolutely nothing going on. This might be the quietest off-season I have ever experienced. No Farve, no Tebow and no Aaron Hernandez on a killing rampage.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Brian Hoyer - QB - Browns
Sources tell ESPN's Adam Schefter that the Browns are trying to sign QB Brian Hoyer to a contract extension.
Hoyer is entering the final year of a deal that will pay him $1 million. Cleveland's desire to extend him suggests they're very optimistic on the progress of his surgically-repaired ACL, and also view him as a long-term backup to first-round rookie Johnny Manziel. The 28-year-old Hoyer went 2-0 in games he started and finished last season, and will enter this year's camp as the tentative starter. Matt Cassel, also a "bridge" quarterback for Minnesota's Teddy Bridgewater, got a two-year, $10 million deal in March.
Related: Johnny Manziel

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Jun 30 - 10:05 AM

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Brian Hoyer - QB - Browns
Sources tell ESPN's Adam Schefter that the Browns are trying to sign QB Brian Hoyer to a contract extension.
Hoyer is entering the final year of a deal that will pay him $1 million. Cleveland's desire to extend him suggests they're very optimistic on the progress of his surgically-repaired ACL, and also view him as a long-term backup to first-round rookie Johnny Manziel. The 28-year-old Hoyer went 2-0 in games he started and finished last season, and will enter this year's camp as the tentative starter. Matt Cassel, also a "bridge" quarterback for Minnesota's Teddy Bridgewater, got a two-year, $10 million deal in March.
Related: Johnny Manziel

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Jun 30 - 10:05 AM

Wow!

Cassell is getting $5 million per year to act as a 'bridge' for rookie QB Teddy Bridgewater and Hoyer is negotiating to get an extension on his contract that is only paying him $1 million per year so he can expect a minimum bump in salary of 500%.

 

[menobrown]

Brian Hoyer - QB - Browns
Sources tell ESPN's Adam Schefter that the Browns are trying to sign QB Brian Hoyer to a contract extension.
Hoyer is entering the final year of a deal that will pay him $1 million. Cleveland's desire to extend him suggests they're very optimistic on the progress of his surgically-repaired ACL, and also view him as a long-term backup to first-round rookie Johnny Manziel. The 28-year-old Hoyer went 2-0 in games he started and finished last season, and will enter this year's camp as the tentative starter. Matt Cassel, also a "bridge" quarterback for Minnesota's Teddy Bridgewater, got a two-year, $10 million deal in March.
Related: Johnny Manziel

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Jun 30 - 10:05 AM

Wow!

Cassell is getting $5 million per year to act as a 'bridge' for rookie QB Teddy Bridgewater and Hoyer is negotiating to get an extension on his contract that is only paying him $1 million per year so he can expect a minimum bump in salary of 500%.

Key is he signed that deal in March, before the draft. Roto makes the wrong assumption he was signed to that money as a bridge QB when the Vikings could not have known for sure they'd be picking a QB highly in the draft.

 

[JaxBill]

Cassell's deal is really 1 year 5.25 Mil. He makes 4.6 Mil base in 2015 and can be cut with no consequence.

If I'm Hoyer, I'm not sure I'd sign that deal unless part of 2015 was guaranteed. Hoyer will be 29 in October. If he performs well in a limited role, this would be his last chance to get paid.

The whole thing makes no sense to me. It's hard to find numbers that would be suitable for a 2015 back-up numbers but still enough that Hoyer would give up his shot at free agency if he does well.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

The point that Cassell signing his contract in March makes a lot of sense and I'm sure the numbers are fuzzy as we've seen with most NFL contracts.

I think the Browns would love to extend Brian Hoyer and I would imagine he'd love to get singed to an extension with the Browns so if both sides can find workable numbers I think it gets done but it sounds like the Vikes were in a tight spot where they have already moved-on from Ponder and signed the only viable veteran FA QB available with the plan to take a rookie prospect.

The Browns had Hoyer coming off his ACL injury which would provide some leverage and now they have increased leverage with Manziel so I'm wondering what sort of numbers might come out of this but I hope it gets done.

 

[JaxBill]

Cassell's deal is really 1 year 5.25 Mil. He makes 4.6 Mil base in 2015 and can be cut with no consequence.

If I'm Hoyer, I'm not sure I'd sign that deal unless part of 2015 was guaranteed. Hoyer will be 29 in October. If he performs well in a limited role, this would be his last chance to get paid.

The whole thing makes no sense to me. It's hard to find numbers that would be suitable for a 2015 back-up numbers but still enough that Hoyer would give up his shot at free agency if he does well.

HA! Not surprised at Hoyer's agent

An ESPN report early Monday stated that the Browns wanted to lock up quarterback Brian Hoyer with an extension.

Hold that thought, his agent Joe Linta told NFL.com. While the two parties have begun preliminary talks, it doesn't appear that anything is set to materialize any time soon.

"t will be a very difficult deal to do," Linta said. "We're always open to talking with the Browns, but we're content to wait and see what happens down the road."

It's definitely a good sign with Hoyer's knee that the Browns want to work something out with him. But a lot of factors are involved, including if Hoyer will even be the starting quarterback in Week 1. If so, Hoyer could then bet on himself for future seasons. If not, and Johnny Manziel wins the job, then why enter into a contract extension when Hoyer is set to be a free agent in 2015?

So yes, as Linta stated, it would be very difficult for Hoyer to sign an extension at this time. It's definitely best for him to hold off until he has a better feel on his future in Cleveland.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Hoyers-agent-Extension-would-be-hard-to-do.html

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Cassell's deal is really 1 year 5.25 Mil. He makes 4.6 Mil base in 2015 and can be cut with no consequence.

If I'm Hoyer, I'm not sure I'd sign that deal unless part of 2015 was guaranteed. Hoyer will be 29 in October. If he performs well in a limited role, this would be his last chance to get paid.

The whole thing makes no sense to me. It's hard to find numbers that would be suitable for a 2015 back-up numbers but still enough that Hoyer would give up his shot at free agency if he does well.

HA! Not surprised at Hoyer's agent

An ESPN report early Monday stated that the Browns wanted to lock up quarterback Brian Hoyer with an extension.

Hold that thought, his agent Joe Linta told NFL.com. While the two parties have begun preliminary talks, it doesn't appear that anything is set to materialize any time soon.

"t will be a very difficult deal to do," Linta said. "We're always open to talking with the Browns, but we're content to wait and see what happens down the road."

It's definitely a good sign with Hoyer's knee that the Browns want to work something out with him. But a lot of factors are involved, including if Hoyer will even be the starting quarterback in Week 1. If so, Hoyer could then bet on himself for future seasons. If not, and Johnny Manziel wins the job, then why enter into a contract extension when Hoyer is set to be a free agent in 2015?

So yes, as Linta stated, it would be very difficult for Hoyer to sign an extension at this time. It's definitely best for him to hold off until he has a better feel on his future in Cleveland.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Hoyers-agent-Extension-would-be-hard-to-do.html

If I'm Hoyer or his agent, I'm not laughing.

They are taking a big risk in leaving money on the table if its anything approaching the deal Cassell got.

The Browns obviously drafted Johnny Manziel to 'eventually' be the starter down the road but Pettine is on record as saying he favored Manziel over the rest of the QBs from this draft because he felt that Johnny 'could' start earlier if 'NEEDED'.

Most likely that was due to uncertainty at the time as to whether or not Hoyer's ACL would be ready for the opener.

Now its a gamble Hoyer can not only hold off Manziel but that Brian produces solid enough numbers to be named the long-term starter and either get paid starter money (which I kinda find difficult to believe) or that he is shooting for top-notch backup money which would fall in-line with Cassell money which I also find kinda difficult to believe for a 29 year old journeyman coming off ACL surgery.

I understand going for top-dollar but I'd shoot for the longer guaranteed contract I could get the Browns to agree to because I think he might struggle a bit coming off the ACL so I would not want to gamble on his performance this year. Tough spot for his agent.

 

[KellysHeroes]

So how did he do in practice?

 

[cstu]

If Hoyer is able to secure $5M this year even if he plays well enough to be kept next year for $5M he ought to take it. Right now he's only getting $1M and nothing is assured that he'll be highly valued next year.

 

[cstu]

Extending Hoyer doesn't mean to me that the team doesn't believe in Manziel but with his style they need a capable backup.

 

[JaxBill]

If Hoyer is able to secure $5M this year even if he plays well enough to be kept next year for $5M he ought to take it. Right now he's only getting $1M and nothing is assured that he'll be highly valued next year.

Like I said above though, I wouldn't agree to the Cassell deal because the Cassell contract guarantees nothing in 2015. He'd basically still be taking a risk that his knee holds up and if does well enough that he would be in demand, he is looking at less in 2015 than on the open market.

And more than that, he'd be 29 and still be looking at time on the bench or at least splitting time with Manziel.

Linta is the same agent that had Flacco bet on himself and win.

Obviously different skillsets and skill levels, but Linta is probably whispering in his ear to play for the 1 Mil this year and hit free agency and look for a possible starting job and bigger money next year.

 

[cstu]

If Hoyer is able to secure $5M this year even if he plays well enough to be kept next year for $5M he ought to take it. Right now he's only getting $1M and nothing is assured that he'll be highly valued next year.

Like I said above though, I wouldn't agree to the Cassell deal because the Cassell contract guarantees nothing in 2015. He'd basically still be taking a risk that his knee holds up and if does well enough that he would be in demand, he is looking at less in 2015 than on the open market.

And more than that, he'd be 29 and still be looking at time on the bench or at least splitting time with Manziel.

Linta is the same agent that had Flacco bet on himself and win.

Obviously different skillsets and skill levels, but Linta is probably whispering in his ear to play for the 1 Mil this year and hit free agency and look for a possible starting job and bigger money next year.

I look at it this way:

- $5M guaranteed or $10M including 2015

vs.

- $1M this year and hoping to get at least $9M in 2015

Frankly I see $9M in 2015 as a best case scenario as it's roughly what Alex Smith got.

 

[MAC_32]

If Hoyer takes the deal it can only be a win for the Browns. Hoyer could stand to lose quite a bit though. The only way he doesn't get a decent backup offer in March is if he gets badly injured or horribly regresses.

I hope he takes it, but I'd be stunned if he does. In his eyes it's settling and I get not wanting to take that when you think you're better,

 

[cstu]

If Hoyer takes the deal it can only be a win for the Browns. Hoyer could stand to lose quite a bit though. The only way he doesn't get a decent backup offer in March is if he gets badly injured or horribly regresses.

I hope he takes it, but I'd be stunned if he does. In his eyes it's settling and I get not wanting to take that when you think you're better,

He's welcome to think that but he has only one quality start in his entire career. I really doubt anyone signs him as a starter.

 

[MAC_32]

If Hoyer takes the deal it can only be a win for the Browns. Hoyer could stand to lose quite a bit though. The only way he doesn't get a decent backup offer in March is if he gets badly injured or horribly regresses.

I hope he takes it, but I'd be stunned if he does. In his eyes it's settling and I get not wanting to take that when you think you're better,

He's welcome to think that but he has only one quality start in his entire career. I really doubt anyone signs him as a starter.

certainly possible and there are too many variables to make any sort of reasonable guess (the biggest of which being a volatile qb market), but if Vick can get that contract this offseason I would hope Hoyer would at worst match it. He's better, younger, and actually carries some upside.

 

[JaxBill]

If Hoyer is able to secure $5M this year even if he plays well enough to be kept next year for $5M he ought to take it. Right now he's only getting $1M and nothing is assured that he'll be highly valued next year.

Like I said above though, I wouldn't agree to the Cassell deal because the Cassell contract guarantees nothing in 2015. He'd basically still be taking a risk that his knee holds up and if does well enough that he would be in demand, he is looking at less in 2015 than on the open market.

And more than that, he'd be 29 and still be looking at time on the bench or at least splitting time with Manziel.

Linta is the same agent that had Flacco bet on himself and win.

Obviously different skillsets and skill levels, but Linta is probably whispering in his ear to play for the 1 Mil this year and hit free agency and look for a possible starting job and bigger money next year.

I look at it this way:

- $5M guaranteed or $10M including 2015

vs.

- $1M this year and hoping to get at least $9M in 2015

Frankly I see $9M in 2015 as a best case scenario as it's roughly what Alex Smith got.

Again, unless the Browns' offer differs radically from the other comparable contracts, that's not an assumption I'd be willing to make.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

If Hoyer takes the deal it can only be a win for the Browns. Hoyer could stand to lose quite a bit though. The only way he doesn't get a decent backup offer in March is if he gets badly injured or horribly regresses.

I hope he takes it, but I'd be stunned if he does. In his eyes it's settling and I get not wanting to take that when you think you're better,

He's welcome to think that but he has only one quality start in his entire career. I really doubt anyone signs him as a starter.

certainly possible and there are too many variables to make any sort of reasonable guess (the biggest of which being a volatile qb market), but if Vick can get that contract this offseason I would hope Hoyer would at worst match it. He's better, younger, and actually carries some upside.

This is all pretty presumptuous. Case Keenum looked really damn good in a few straight games before teams got more tape on him as well.

 

[MAC_32]

If Hoyer takes the deal it can only be a win for the Browns. Hoyer could stand to lose quite a bit though. The only way he doesn't get a decent backup offer in March is if he gets badly injured or horribly regresses.

I hope he takes it, but I'd be stunned if he does. In his eyes it's settling and I get not wanting to take that when you think you're better,

He's welcome to think that but he has only one quality start in his entire career. I really doubt anyone signs him as a starter.

certainly possible and there are too many variables to make any sort of reasonable guess (the biggest of which being a volatile qb market), but if Vick can get that contract this offseason I would hope Hoyer would at worst match it. He's better, younger, and actually carries some upside.

This is all pretty presumptuous. Case Keenum looked really damn good in a few straight games before teams got more tape on him as well.

again, certainly possible, but are you going to raise an eyebrow at a guy for betting on himself? It's a very interesting situation and whether he accepts or not I'm curious to find out what the offer on the table is.

 

[Old Smiley]

All I know is I'm dying for preseason with this guy -- both these guys. Come on, calendar.

 

[menobrown]

If Hoyer takes the deal it can only be a win for the Browns. Hoyer could stand to lose quite a bit though. The only way he doesn't get a decent backup offer in March is if he gets badly injured or horribly regresses.

I hope he takes it, but I'd be stunned if he does. In his eyes it's settling and I get not wanting to take that when you think you're better,

He's welcome to think that but he has only one quality start in his entire career. I really doubt anyone signs him as a starter.

I think the jury is still out for him to get signed as a backup next season. I don't agree with the comment by Mac that he only need not get injured or horribly regress to get a backup job. I don't think he ascended so high he'd need to take a big regression to not land a second string QB job on the open market next season.

I doubt he got offered anything close to Cassell money but if he did and turned it down I'm guessing he bet wrong.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Hard Knocks really dropped the ball with this one

 

[amnesiac]

Hard Knocks really dropped the ball with this one

Pettine turned them down.

 

[dhockster]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/01/manziel-tones-it-down-by-hanging-out-with-justin-bieber/

Can we agree that hanging out with Bieber is not a good sign?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Tom Moore's opinion of QBs carries some heft.

He thinks Manziel will turn out to be a good quarterback.

http://atlantafalcons.blog.ajc.com/2014/07/01/tom-moore-johnny-manziel-will-be-good/

Posted: 10:59 am Tuesday, July 1st, 2014

Tom Moore: Johnny Manziel ‘will be good’GREENSBORO — Longtime NFL assistant coach Tom Moore, 75, knows a few things about developing quarterbacks.

While with the Indianapolis Colts, he helped to develop Peyton Manning. Moore is currently a consultant with the Arizona Cardinals. He coached at Georgia Tech in 1970-71.

He likes how the Falcons have brought along quarterback Matt Ryan after drafting him third overall in the 2008 draft.

“I think he’s an excellent quarterback,” Moore said before playing in Bruce Arians golf outing on Monday. “I think he’s had great success. He’s got in some situations last year with injuries and things like that, but that does not diminish how great of a quarterback he is, can be and will be.”

Moore is one of my favorite coaches. He’d always take my Michael Vick questions back in the day. (If I remember correctly, he though Vick was a mighty fine “running back.”) So, we needed his take on Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel.

Moore doesn’t understand what all of the fuss is about.

“Of course, I’m not involved with him or their team,” Moore said. “We all know that he’s an outstanding football player and I’m sure the Cleveland Browns will do the right thing. Everything will be good. He’s a good person. The Browns are a great organization and everything will work out OK.”

Arians and his wife, Christine, through the Arians Family Foundation, hosted the second annual event to help children who’ve suffered from child abuse. Christine Arians worked as a family law attorney for years and served as a Court Appointed Special Advocate to help ensure that children who are involved in the court system, as a result of neglect and abuse by their families, receive help.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Brian Hoyer's agent thinks that Hoyer's value can't be determined until November 1st. So don't expect anything to move on an extension at least till then.

Not sure why Joe Linta, Hoyer's agent, put Nov 1st as the the deadline before his client's value could be determined but there it it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/30/linta-hoyers-value-wont-be-known-until-november-1-at-earliest/

Linta: Hoyer’s value won’t be known until November 1 at earliestPosted by Mike Florio on June 30, 2014, 4:28 PM EDT

The Browns want to sign quarterback Brian Hoyer to an extension. Hoyer’s agent, Joe Linta, believes it’s too early to figure out Hoyer’s value.

So when will the time be right to work something out? Linta tells PFT via email that two future dates loom for assessing his value: November 1 and the end of the season.

Implied in that position is that Hoyer, who enters the final year of his current deal, won’t be inclined to agree to a new contract before November 1. Of course, that doesn’t stop the Browns from making a bird-in-the-hand offer that Hoyer will have a hard time rejecting, especially as he continues to recover from a torn ACL. Despite any reluctance to do a deal prematurely, there’s surely a number that would get Hoyer’s attention.

Ultimately, the question is whether the Browns view Hoyer as a potential starter or as the Kirk Cousins-style understudy to a young, mobile quarterback who may get injured sooner than later. The decision to trade from No. 26 to No. 22 to get Johnny Manziel strongly suggests that Manziel will be the starter at some point. So what will they pay for a guy who possibly will be the stop-gap starter to begin the season and the break-glass option in the event that Manziel breaks something once he gets the job?

Whatever the Browns envision, if they choose to put their best deal on the table now, Hoyer possibly will take it after weighing the pros and cons and realizing that the two in the bush may not be all that easy to catch.

If Hoyer ends up starting for the entire season and playing well enough to keep Manziel on the bench, it could be very difficult to keep Hoyer beyond 2014, since someone else in a quarterback-starved league will take notice of Hoyer’s performance and dangle the kind of money that suggests he’ll compete to be the starter in a new city.

 

[False Start]

Cops called to party with Justin Bieber, Johnny Manziel and Floyd Mayweather. Cant wait to watch this guy fail and fall flat on his face.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/cops-called-to-party-with-justin-bieber--johnny-manziel-and-floyd-mayweather-152700540.html

 

[False Start]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/01/manziel-tones-it-down-by-hanging-out-with-justin-bieber/

Can we agree that hanging out with Bieber is not a good sign?

As if it couldnt get any worse.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Cops called to party with Justin Bieber, Johnny Manziel and Floyd Mayweather. Cant wait to watch this guy fail and fall flat on his face.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/cops-called-to-party-with-justin-bieber--johnny-manziel-and-floyd-mayweather-152700540.html

These jealous old grumpy guy takes are getting nutty.

Selfies shouldn't bother anyone but getting worked up to the point that jealous grumpy guys are hoping Johnhy fails is kooky

I recall Geno Smith trying to do his own mini-camp with Jet players as a rookie.

I find it much more interesting that while Manziel is having fun in Hollywood that Brian Hoyer was working out with WR Baby Hawk, WR Charles Johnson, and a few other players as reported by CJ who referred to Hoyer as the #1 quarterback.

 

[Faust]

Johnny Manziel 'tired of the hype' surrounding his every move

 

[amnesiac]

Johnny Manziel 'tired of the hype' surrounding his every move

hanging with the biebs is an odd choice if you're trying to avoid the paparazzi.

 

[cstu]

Johnny Manziel 'tired of the hype' surrounding his every move

hanging with the biebs is an odd choice if you're trying to avoid the paparazzi.

An attention whore is gonna do what an attention whore does.

 

[JaxBill]

Brian Hoyer's agent thinks that Hoyer's value can't be determined until November 1st. So don't expect anything to move on an extension at least till then.

Not sure why Joe Linta, Hoyer's agent, put Nov 1st as the the deadline before his client's value could be determined but there it it.

Not sure if it's just a ballpark date (regular season roughly halfway over) or the fact that 10/28 is the trade deadline. Week 9 begins 10/30 and the Week 9 Sunday is 11/02

 

[pantherclub]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/01/manziel-tones-it-down-by-hanging-out-with-justin-bieber/

Can we agree that hanging out with Bieber is not a good sign?

there are simply no words for this level of stupidity.

I cautiously wait for MAC and the others to defend this

 

[matuski]

OH MY GOD ANOTHER SELFIE WHAT A HORRIBLE PERSON.

Amiright?

 

[pantherclub]

OH MY GOD ANOTHER SELFIE WHAT A HORRIBLE PERSON.

Amiright?

i am loving this schtick.

 

[Sabertooth]

I can't wait to watch this kid get tackled. No way he's as good as he needs to be to justify the hype. Out of the league in 5 years tops.

 

[MAC_32]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/01/manziel-tones-it-down-by-hanging-out-with-justin-bieber/

Can we agree that hanging out with Bieber is not a good sign?

there are simply no words for this level of stupidity.

I cautiously wait for MAC and the others to defend this

Who's defending anything? All I'm doing is mocking anyone that thinks this is anything.

 

[matuski]

OH MY GOD ANOTHER SELFIE WHAT A HORRIBLE PERSON.

Amiright?

i am loving this schtick.

Infinitely better than actually, truly hating on a guy for a selfie.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

OH MY GOD ANOTHER SELFIE WHAT A HORRIBLE PERSON.

Amiright?

i am loving this schtick.

Infinitely better than actually, truly hating on a guy for a selfie.

Exactly.

Selfie's, Bieber, even if he does a sex tape with Miley doesn't matter. That is for the jealous old grumpy guys to get worked up over.

What does matter is Hoyer is working out with some of his team mates whiile Johnny is on the ca$h phone in Hollywood.

How will this thing play out?

Preseason, Johnny Manziel will look goooooooooooooooooooood. I mean reallllllllllll good.

Why?

Preseason with soft vanilla-D to feast on is tailor made for a guy like Manziel to free lance and take advantage of easy reads. Fans will go nuts. Hoyer will look good but Johnny is gonna make a few splash plays.

Hoyer starts the season and if his ACL is good he'll keep the job when the early BYE week hits week 4.

How long Brian holds on after that is anyone's guess but the kid is going to get a shot at some point this year.

Hope he's ready when his number gets called but right now I see no chance in heck he beats out Hoyer in camp or preseason.

Oh and the selfies don't mean deek even if he's hanging with the Bee-brrrrrrr.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

OH MY GOD ANOTHER SELFIE WHAT A HORRIBLE PERSON.

Amiright?

i am loving this schtick.

Infinitely better than actually, truly hating on a guy for a selfie.

Exactly.

Selfie's, Bieber, even if he does a sex tape with Miley doesn't matter. That is for the jealous old grumpy guys to get worked up over.

What does matter is Hoyer is working out with some of his team mates whiile Johnny is on the ca$h phone in Hollywood.

I could be wrong, but I think these are related. It doesnt appear that anyone is angry that he is taking pics with stars but he's choosing to do that over working with his teamates. IMO it wouldnt matter if he's taking a selfie with me, its that he's doing it and not working and doesnt seem to see anything wrong with what he's doing. Going out and parting is fine but they seem to find him doing something like this almost weekly for a while now. At least that's how it seems anyway.

 

[MAC_32]

It doesnt appear that anyone is angry that he is taking pics with stars but he's choosing to do that over working with his teamates. IMO it wouldnt matter if he's taking a selfie with me, its that he's doing it and not working and doesnt seem to see anything wrong with what he's doing. Going out and parting is fine but they seem to find him doing something like this almost weekly for a while now. At least that's how it seems anyway.

It's the narrative the media is pushing and they have you hooked, perception = reality. Is it? We'll find out in a month.

They're taking a few pictures and videos and twisting it into their own story because they don't have anything else that will get ratings to talk about right now.

Is he working? how much? how hard? is he partying every day? once per week? is he sloshed every time a picture gets taken of him?

You, I, and 99.9% of the people talking about it have no idea. The bashing is predictable and hilarious though. Unlike the senseless Bridgewater bashing that led up to the draft, that was just maddening. Funny how that has all stopped though. Media stopped getting clicks saying the same thing over and over again, so - no longer a story.

 

[Sabertooth]

Manziel has a very punchable face. That's all I got.

 

[pantherclub]

It doesnt appear that anyone is angry that he is taking pics with stars but he's choosing to do that over working with his teamates. IMO it wouldnt matter if he's taking a selfie with me, its that he's doing it and not working and doesnt seem to see anything wrong with what he's doing. Going out and parting is fine but they seem to find him doing something like this almost weekly for a while now. At least that's how it seems anyway.

It's the narrative the media is pushing and they have you hooked, perception = reality. Is it? We'll find out in a month.

They're taking a few pictures and videos and twisting it into their own story because they don't have anything else that will get ratings to talk about right now.

Is he working? how much? how hard? is he partying every day? once per week? is he sloshed every time a picture gets taken of him?

You, I, and 99.9% of the people talking about it have no idea. The bashing is predictable and hilarious though. Unlike the senseless Bridgewater bashing that led up to the draft, that was just maddening. Funny how that has all stopped though. Media stopped getting clicks saying the same thing over and over again, so - no longer a story.

dont ever quit guy

 

[MAC_32]

It doesnt appear that anyone is angry that he is taking pics with stars but he's choosing to do that over working with his teamates. IMO it wouldnt matter if he's taking a selfie with me, its that he's doing it and not working and doesnt seem to see anything wrong with what he's doing. Going out and parting is fine but they seem to find him doing something like this almost weekly for a while now. At least that's how it seems anyway.

It's the narrative the media is pushing and they have you hooked, perception = reality. Is it? We'll find out in a month.

They're taking a few pictures and videos and twisting it into their own story because they don't have anything else that will get ratings to talk about right now.

Is he working? how much? how hard? is he partying every day? once per week? is he sloshed every time a picture gets taken of him?

You, I, and 99.9% of the people talking about it have no idea. The bashing is predictable and hilarious though. Unlike the senseless Bridgewater bashing that led up to the draft, that was just maddening. Funny how that has all stopped though. Media stopped getting clicks saying the same thing over and over again, so - no longer a story.

dont ever quit guy

If he shows up to camp and starts puking everywhere because he was up all night chugging champagne you have a leg to stand on.

Until then you're just feeding the ESPN beast.

 

[MAC_32]

Manziel has a very punchable face. That's all I got.

That he does. A part of me is happy the Browns chose him over Bridgewater because if he is successful then everyone else in the country will hate him. It'll be nice to play role of villain rather than the whoa is me punching bag we've been for 15 years.

Going to be very bitter if he flops and Bridgewater flourishes though.

 

[cstu]

Manziel has a very punchable face. That's all I got.

That he does. A part of me is happy the Browns chose him over Bridgewater because if he is successful then everyone else in the country will hate him. It'll be nice to play role of villain rather than the whoa is me punching bag we've been for 15 years.

Going to be very bitter if he flops and Bridgewater flourishes though.

I really hope he's very successful since I find his DGAF attitude entertaining. It would be a shame if he's a bust.

Wouldn't mind seeing the Browns put the rest of that division in their place either, especially by a dbag like Manziel.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Manziel has a very punchable face. That's all I got.

I could be wrong, but I think these are related. It doesnt appear that anyone is angry that he is taking pics with stars but he's choosing to do that over working with his teamates. IMO it wouldnt matter if he's taking a selfie with me, its that he's doing it and not working and doesnt seem to see anything wrong with what he's doing. Going out and parting is fine but they seem to find him doing something like this almost weekly for a while now. At least that's how it seems anyway.

Not all but some reactions are closer to angry than happy.

Their is an over-reaction to Manziel's lifestyle. Its only my opinion but I don't think anyone's lifestyle should ellicit that sort of inflamed reaction. People don't have to approve of what he's doing but he's done nothing to justify some of the over-reactions.

We don't know how this all plays out but if he fails some will make the connection to his lifestyle but if he succeeds its certainly not because he is off gallovanting instead of working out with team mates as Brian Hoyer is doing.

His play on the field was different than any QB prospect because he is different.

Maybe his lifestyle is connected to his unorthodox play.

We know tt worked in college and that he's a 21 year old kid who is an NFL rookie.

I'm more than willing to allow he can figure things out over time because the best NFL QBs do not act like this and I believe their is some connection and that Johnny can figure it out over time.

Right now Hoyer is putting on a clinic and I'm sure Manziel's detractors can and will say the same thing about what he's doing and I'm positive that this thread will continue to grow.

I'm just not too concerned right now.