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Linta's secretly the one who keeps paying for the plane tickets for Manziel.You know who loves that photo? Brian Hoyer's agent.
Linta's secretly the one who keeps paying for the plane tickets for Manziel.You know who loves that photo? Brian Hoyer's agent.
Like he will in the NFL, yes.Did somebody really just say that Johnny Yeyo has never faced adversity?
Didn't his father throw some logs on this dumpster fire a while back? IIRC he made some rather disparaging comments about JFF.Does this kid have a father?...If so he should take a beating for raising such a Dbag clown.....Kid hasn't even thrown a pass and it is already evident the Brown's F-ed up again.
Yep.Didn't his father throw some logs on this dumpster fire a while back? IIRC he made some rather disparaging comments about JFF.Does this kid have a father?...If so he should take a beating for raising such a Dbag clown.....Kid hasn't even thrown a pass and it is already evident the Brown's F-ed up again.
JFCYep.Didn't his father throw some logs on this dumpster fire a while back? IIRC he made some rather disparaging comments about JFF.Does this kid have a father?...If so he should take a beating for raising such a Dbag clown.....Kid hasn't even thrown a pass and it is already evident the Brown's F-ed up again.
hey, at least he sold some season tickets.
Perfect example of why some teams perpetually suck.
Id say a lot had that feeling for a while now. Honestly, if he flops this wouldn't shock many people IMO.Anyone else getting that Ryan Leaf feeling here?
I don't think he'll implode like a Leaf. My worry for Manziel was a Vince Young career trajectory while my hopes for him were a Fran Tarkenton career. Not that he's moved much in my mind since saying that, but if he's moved at all, it's been towards Young.Anyone else getting that Ryan Leaf feeling here?
He has faced more adversity and pressure than 99% of NFL players ever will.Like he will in the NFL, yes.Did somebody really just say that Johnny Yeyo has never faced adversity?
When has he? how did he handle it?
Vince Young may not be a bad comp. side note, i ended up drafting Leinart instead of Young, which in the end didn't matter as there really was no correct answer.I don't think he'll implode like a Leaf. My worry for Manziel was a Vince Young career trajectory while my hopes for him were a Fran Tarkenton career. Not that he's moved much in my mind since saying that, but if he's moved at all, it's been towards Young.Anyone else getting that Ryan Leaf feeling here?
i get the feeling you are this thread's Soulfly.He has faced more adversity and pressure than 99% of NFL players ever will.Like he will in the NFL, yes.When has he? how did he handle it?Did somebody really just say that Johnny Yeyo has never faced adversity?
Who else deals with this kind of obsessed hate and coverage? He arguably topped his Heisman season while dealing with it.
More of a Ben Roethlisberger vibe to me.Anyone else getting that Ryan Leaf feeling here?
looked up Young, as i suspected, he was taller, heavier, and faster. so he had better physical tools.Vince Young may not be a bad comp. side note, i ended up drafting Leinart instead of Young, which in the end didn't matter as there really was no correct answer.I don't think he'll implode like a Leaf. My worry for Manziel was a Vince Young career trajectory while my hopes for him were a Fran Tarkenton career. Not that he's moved much in my mind since saying that, but if he's moved at all, it's been towards Young.Anyone else getting that Ryan Leaf feeling here?
WowHe has faced more adversity and pressure than 99% of NFL players ever will.Like he will in the NFL, yes.When has he? how did he handle it?Did somebody really just say that Johnny Yeyo has never faced adversity?
Who else deals with this kind of obsessed hate and coverage? He arguably topped his Heisman season while dealing with it.
His slide in the draft demonstrated that most NFL GMs realized that successful NFL QBs tend to avoid obsessed hate and coverage.He has faced more adversity and pressure than 99% of NFL players ever will.Like he will in the NFL, yes.When has he? how did he handle it?Did somebody really just say that Johnny Yeyo has never faced adversity?
Who else deals with this kind of obsessed hate and coverage? He arguably topped his Heisman season while dealing with it.
Thats only because you are holding out hope as a Browns fan, kinda bias. The Browns are a mess, the culture is clearly a culture that makes these kids feel they can do whatever they want when they want and have no clue about repercussions.He's not really going around with a 'HEY EVERYONE COME LOOK AT ME' sign.Isn't it Johnny who is feeding the ESPN beast by doing all his partying publicly?
The pic from this weekend is the first time I've raised an eye brow.
I was going to pick this battle no matter who he got drafted by.False Start said:Thats only because you are holding out hope as a Browns fan, kinda bias. The Browns are a mess, the culture is clearly a culture that makes these kids feel they can do whatever they want when they want and have no clue about repercussions.MAC_32 said:He's not really going around with a 'HEY EVERYONE COME LOOK AT ME' sign. The pic from this weekend is the first time I've raised an eye brow.dhockster said:Isn't it Johnny who is feeding the ESPN beast by doing all his partying publicly?
Jay Cutler was the correct answer that year.This year the (early) evidence is starting to stack against Johnny Manziel being the best rookie QB pick.amnesiac said:Vince Young may not be a bad comp. side note, i ended up drafting Leinart instead of Young, which in the end didn't matter as there really was no correct answer.Greg Russell said:I don't think he'll implode like a Leaf. My worry for Manziel was a Vince Young career trajectory while my hopes for him were a Fran Tarkenton career. Not that he's moved much in my mind since saying that, but if he's moved at all, it's been towards Young.Bucky86 said:Anyone else getting that Ryan Leaf feeling here?
I assume you are familiar with Little Big HornI was going to pick this battle no matter who he got drafted by.False Start said:Thats only because you are holding out hope as a Browns fan, kinda bias. The Browns are a mess, the culture is clearly a culture that makes these kids feel they can do whatever they want when they want and have no clue about repercussions.MAC_32 said:He's not really going around with a 'HEY EVERYONE COME LOOK AT ME' sign. The pic from this weekend is the first time I've raised an eye brow.dhockster said:Isn't it Johnny who is feeding the ESPN beast by doing all his partying publicly?
Quoted for posterity.matuski said:He has faced more adversity and pressure than 99% of NFL players ever will.
Who else deals with this kind of obsessed hate and coverage? He arguably topped his Heisman season while dealing with it.
I call There's no way you would have gone out of your way to defend Johny Yayo if he was drafted by the Oakland Raiders. You'd be clowning on them and a typical Raiders bungled draft pick with the rest of the haters. Don't lie.I was going to pick this battle no matter who he got drafted by.False Start said:Thats only because you are holding out hope as a Browns fan, kinda bias. The Browns are a mess, the culture is clearly a culture that makes these kids feel they can do whatever they want when they want and have no clue about repercussions.MAC_32 said:He's not really going around with a 'HEY EVERYONE COME LOOK AT ME' sign. The pic from this weekend is the first time I've raised an eye brow.dhockster said:Isn't it Johnny who is feeding the ESPN beast by doing all his partying publicly?
Better prepared to handle what pressure is ahead than any player coming out of college.. ever.Quoted for posterity.matuski said:He has faced more adversity and pressure than 99% of NFL players ever will.
Who else deals with this kind of obsessed hate and coverage? He arguably topped his Heisman season while dealing with it.
Just. Wow.
link? source? are you inside his head? how would you know how he's handling the pressure right now?Better prepared to handle what pressure is ahead than any player coming out of college.. ever.Quoted for posterity.matuski said:He has faced more adversity and pressure than 99% of NFL players ever will.
Who else deals with this kind of obsessed hate and coverage? He arguably topped his Heisman season while dealing with it.
Just. Wow.
I have shared my doubts about his career.. I find it laughable people think he is going to crack. He will make it or not make it, but pressure won't be his undoing... he is eating it up.
Honestly, I am not even sure what all of this post means.Better prepared to handle what pressure is ahead than any player coming out of college.. ever.Quoted for posterity.matuski said:He has faced more adversity and pressure than 99% of NFL players ever will.
Who else deals with this kind of obsessed hate and coverage? He arguably topped his Heisman season while dealing with it.
Just. Wow.
I have shared my doubts about his career.. I find it laughable people think he is going to crack. He will make it or not make it, but pressure won't be his undoing... he is eating it up.
His college career.. find your own linklink? source? are you inside his head? how would you know how he's handling the pressure right now?Better prepared to handle what pressure is ahead than any player coming out of college.. ever.Quoted for posterity.matuski said:He has faced more adversity and pressure than 99% of NFL players ever will.
Who else deals with this kind of obsessed hate and coverage? He arguably topped his Heisman season while dealing with it.
Just. Wow.
I have shared my doubts about his career.. I find it laughable people think he is going to crack. He will make it or not make it, but pressure won't be his undoing... he is eating it up.
Thank you noticing and calling out the BS of such a subjective, ill-defined statement.Honestly, I am not even sure what all of this post means.Better prepared to handle what pressure is ahead than any player coming out of college.. ever.Quoted for posterity.matuski said:He has faced more adversity and pressure than 99% of NFL players ever will.
Who else deals with this kind of obsessed hate and coverage? He arguably topped his Heisman season while dealing with it.
Just. Wow.
I have shared my doubts about his career.. I find it laughable people think he is going to crack. He will make it or not make it, but pressure won't be his undoing... he is eating it up.
Its like you took some random statement and applied it to Johnny football with nothing to back it up.
Lets define it then.. you are saying, with what you saw (or perhaps you didn't see it) the last two years, that pressure and competition are going to get to him?Thank you noticing and calling out the BS of such a subjective, ill-defined statement.Honestly, I am not even sure what all of this post means.Better prepared to handle what pressure is ahead than any player coming out of college.. ever.Quoted for posterity.matuski said:He has faced more adversity and pressure than 99% of NFL players ever will.
Who else deals with this kind of obsessed hate and coverage? He arguably topped his Heisman season while dealing with it.
Just. Wow.
I have shared my doubts about his career.. I find it laughable people think he is going to crack. He will make it or not make it, but pressure won't be his undoing... he is eating it up.
Its like you took some random statement and applied it to Johnny football with nothing to back it up.
Let's not parse words. Here is what you said:Lets define it then.. you are saying, with what you saw (or perhaps you didn't see it) the last two years, that pressure and competition are going to get to him?Thank you noticing and calling out the BS of such a subjective, ill-defined statement.Honestly, I am not even sure what all of this post means.Better prepared to handle what pressure is ahead than any player coming out of college.. ever.Quoted for posterity.matuski said:He has faced more adversity and pressure than 99% of NFL players ever will.
Who else deals with this kind of obsessed hate and coverage? He arguably topped his Heisman season while dealing with it.
Just. Wow.
I have shared my doubts about his career.. I find it laughable people think he is going to crack. He will make it or not make it, but pressure won't be his undoing... he is eating it up.
Its like you took some random statement and applied it to Johnny football with nothing to back it up.
His play style and size don't mix well... these are valid arguments. His reaction on the field to pressure and competition can't possibly be your angle here... is it?
cstu said:Yep.jurb26 said:Didn't his father throw some logs on this dumpster fire a while back? IIRC he made some rather disparaging comments about JFF.Ditka Butkus said:Does this kid have a father?...If so he should take a beating for raising such a Dbag clown.....Kid hasn't even thrown a pass and it is already evident the Brown's F-ed up again.
Leaf wasn't just a bad player and a bust, he freaked out when faced with the media.Bucky86 said:Anyone else getting that Ryan Leaf feeling here?
I'm not defending Johnny. I'm mocking those that are picking on what he's done this offseason, until this dollar bill thing anyway.I call There's no way you would have gone out of your way to defend Johny Yayo if he was drafted by the Oakland Raiders. You'd be clowning on them and a typical Raiders bungled draft pick with the rest of the haters. Don't lie.I was going to pick this battle no matter who he got drafted by.False Start said:Thats only because you are holding out hope as a Browns fan, kinda bias. The Browns are a mess, the culture is clearly a culture that makes these kids feel they can do whatever they want when they want and have no clue about repercussions.MAC_32 said:He's not really going around with a 'HEY EVERYONE COME LOOK AT ME' sign. The pic from this weekend is the first time I've raised an eye brow.dhockster said:Isn't it Johnny who is feeding the ESPN beast by doing all his partying publicly?
Is he back in Cleveland yet? My guess is the first time he sees a reporter he's on the clock.Has Johnny commented on this dollar bill in the bathroom photo yet? It must have come up by now, right? Sorry if I missed the link. I wonder if he is going to tell reporters, "that's in the past, I don't want to talk about what's in the past...next question".
supposedly, we have no other information on Manziel because those stories don't get clicks.More to the point about Manziel and football:
Have there been any news reports out of Cleveland of:
I could see how partying may not reflect how he will play or who he is as a leader, but what information do we have coming out about how he is performing and preparing?
- Manziel's efforts to learn the playbook?
- Manziel impressing with the variety in his game or new things he has shown the coaching staff?
- His work ethic or on-field intelligence?
And I think we heard all of these things with Josh Gordon even though he was effing offMore to the point about Manziel and football:
Have there been any news reports out of Cleveland of:
I could see how partying may not reflect how he will play or who he is as a leader, but what information do we have coming out about how he is performing and preparing?
- Manziel's efforts to learn the playbook?
- Manziel impressing with the variety in his game or new things he has shown the coaching staff?
- His work ethic or on-field intelligence?
I just love how you compare the NFL with college footballLets define it then.. you are saying, with what you saw (or perhaps you didn't see it) the last two years, that pressure and competition are going to get to him?Thank you noticing and calling out the BS of such a subjective, ill-defined statement.Honestly, I am not even sure what all of this post means.Better prepared to handle what pressure is ahead than any player coming out of college.. ever.Quoted for posterity.matuski said:He has faced more adversity and pressure than 99% of NFL players ever will.
Who else deals with this kind of obsessed hate and coverage? He arguably topped his Heisman season while dealing with it.
Just. Wow.
I have shared my doubts about his career.. I find it laughable people think he is going to crack. He will make it or not make it, but pressure won't be his undoing... he is eating it up.
Its like you took some random statement and applied it to Johnny football with nothing to back it up.
His play style and size don't mix well... these are valid arguments. His reaction on the field to pressure and competition can't possibly be your angle here... is it?
Christ dude where you draw lines in the sand is embarrassingI'm not defending Johnny. I'm mocking those that are picking on what he's done this offseason, until this dollar bill thing anyway.I call There's no way you would have gone out of your way to defend Johny Yayo if he was drafted by the Oakland Raiders. You'd be clowning on them and a typical Raiders bungled draft pick with the rest of the haters. Don't lie.I was going to pick this battle no matter who he got drafted by.False Start said:Thats only because you are holding out hope as a Browns fan, kinda bias. The Browns are a mess, the culture is clearly a culture that makes these kids feel they can do whatever they want when they want and have no clue about repercussions.MAC_32 said:He's not really going around with a 'HEY EVERYONE COME LOOK AT ME' sign. The pic from this weekend is the first time I've raised an eye brow.dhockster said:Isn't it Johnny who is feeding the ESPN beast by doing all his partying publicly?
yet you see them all over the place with other rookies. There is an article just today about Kelvin Benjimen learning the panther plays and their route tree.supposedly, we have no other information on Manziel because those stories don't get clicks.More to the point about Manziel and football:
Have there been any news reports out of Cleveland of:
I could see how partying may not reflect how he will play or who he is as a leader, but what information do we have coming out about how he is performing and preparing?
- Manziel's efforts to learn the playbook?
- Manziel impressing with the variety in his game or new things he has shown the coaching staff?
- His work ethic or on-field intelligence?
i agree. it seems especially odd to me considering Mary Kay Cabot is generally considered a puppet of the Browns, yet we haven't seen any fluff pieces on Manziel from her.yet you see them all over the place with other rookies. There is an article just today about Kelvin Benjimen learning the panther plays and their route tree.supposedly, we have no other information on Manziel because those stories don't get clicks.More to the point about Manziel and football:
Have there been any news reports out of Cleveland of:
I could see how partying may not reflect how he will play or who he is as a leader, but what information do we have coming out about how he is performing and preparing?
- Manziel's efforts to learn the playbook?
- Manziel impressing with the variety in his game or new things he has shown the coaching staff?
- His work ethic or on-field intelligence?
I think the browns have been trying to just keep attention off of him, good bad or otherwise.i agree.it seems especially odd to me considering Mary Kay Cabot is generally considered a puppet of the Browns, yet we haven't seen any fluff pieces on Manziel from her.yet you see them all over the place with other rookies. There is an article just today about Kelvin Benjimen learning the panther plays and their route tree.supposedly, we have no other information on Manziel because those stories don't get clicks.More to the point about Manziel and football:
Have there been any news reports out of Cleveland of:
I could see how partying may not reflect how he will play or who he is as a leader, but what information do we have coming out about how he is performing and preparing?
- Manziel's efforts to learn the playbook?
- Manziel impressing with the variety in his game or new things he has shown the coaching staff?
- His work ethic or on-field intelligence?
Not according to his dad. In fact the opposite.Better prepared to handle what pressure is ahead than any player coming out of college.. ever.Quoted for posterity.matuski said:He has faced more adversity and pressure than 99% of NFL players ever will.
Who else deals with this kind of obsessed hate and coverage? He arguably topped his Heisman season while dealing with it.
Just. Wow.
I have shared my doubts about his career.. I find it laughable people think he is going to crack. He will make it or not make it, but pressure won't be his undoing... he is eating it up.
A google image search of drunk (pick a nfl player) would be a fun game for people like you.Christ dude where you draw lines in the sand is embarrassingI'm not defending Johnny. I'm mocking those that are picking on what he's done this offseason, until this dollar bill thing anyway.I call There's no way you would have gone out of your way to defend Johny Yayo if he was drafted by the Oakland Raiders. You'd be clowning on them and a typical Raiders bungled draft pick with the rest of the haters. Don't lie.I was going to pick this battle no matter who he got drafted by.False Start said:Thats only because you are holding out hope as a Browns fan, kinda bias. The Browns are a mess, the culture is clearly a culture that makes these kids feel they can do whatever they want when they want and have no clue about repercussions.MAC_32 said:He's not really going around with a 'HEY EVERYONE COME LOOK AT ME' sign. The pic from this weekend is the first time I've raised an eye brow.dhockster said:Isn't it Johnny who is feeding the ESPN beast by doing all his partying publicly?