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Official Johnny Manziel Thread (4 Viewers)

amnesiac said:
Riversco said:
FairWarning said:
We will know much more after a couple of weeks with Gordon back.
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I'm not even sure you can evaluate Hoyer on his 2014 at all. He tore his ACL a year ago.

Tom Brady tore an ACL, and the next year his numbers were way down across the board. It was actually one of his worst seasons. He didn't return to form until 2 years after the ACL.
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interesting point.but i don't believe he's going to be cut any slack for that.

he is outplaying Manziel in practice and that is why he's starting.

if they thought Manziel have them a better chance to win, he'd be starting. it's possible that could still happen this season.

but the clamoring for Manziel every time Hoyer has a bad game is ridiculous.
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It doesn't look like the Browns are going to re-sign Hoyer. So they might make a huge mistake, let him walk, and he becomes studly in his second year after the ACL....for another team.

 
Riversco said:
amnesiac said:
Riversco said:
FairWarning said:
We will know much more after a couple of weeks with Gordon back.
Click to expand...
I'm not even sure you can evaluate Hoyer on his 2014 at all. He tore his ACL a year ago.

Tom Brady tore an ACL, and the next year his numbers were way down across the board. It was actually one of his worst seasons. He didn't return to form until 2 years after the ACL.
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interesting point.but i don't believe he's going to be cut any slack for that.

he is outplaying Manziel in practice and that is why he's starting.

if they thought Manziel have them a better chance to win, he'd be starting. it's possible that could still happen this season.

but the clamoring for Manziel every time Hoyer has a bad game is ridiculous.
Click to expand...
It doesn't look like the Browns are going to re-sign Hoyer. So they might make a huge mistake, let him walk, and he becomes studly in his second year after the ACL....for another team.
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you are correct that he may be even better another year removed from the injury, but i just doubt that is going to factor into their decision.
 
amnesiac said:
Riversco said:
amnesiac said:
Riversco said:
FairWarning said:
We will know much more after a couple of weeks with Gordon back.
Click to expand...
I'm not even sure you can evaluate Hoyer on his 2014 at all. He tore his ACL a year ago.

Tom Brady tore an ACL, and the next year his numbers were way down across the board. It was actually one of his worst seasons. He didn't return to form until 2 years after the ACL.
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interesting point.but i don't believe he's going to be cut any slack for that.

he is outplaying Manziel in practice and that is why he's starting.

if they thought Manziel have them a better chance to win, he'd be starting. it's possible that could still happen this season.

but the clamoring for Manziel every time Hoyer has a bad game is ridiculous.
Click to expand...
It doesn't look like the Browns are going to re-sign Hoyer. So they might make a huge mistake, let him walk, and he becomes studly in his second year after the ACL....for another team.
Click to expand...
you are correct that he may be even better another year removed from the injury, but i just doubt that is going to factor into their decision.
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I don't think its going to just be their decision. He will be a free agent at year's end, isn't he? He can go anywhere he wants.

 
Riversco said:
amnesiac said:
Riversco said:
amnesiac said:
Riversco said:
FairWarning said:
We will know much more after a couple of weeks with Gordon back.
Click to expand...
I'm not even sure you can evaluate Hoyer on his 2014 at all. He tore his ACL a year ago.

Tom Brady tore an ACL, and the next year his numbers were way down across the board. It was actually one of his worst seasons. He didn't return to form until 2 years after the ACL.
Click to expand...
interesting point.but i don't believe he's going to be cut any slack for that.

he is outplaying Manziel in practice and that is why he's starting.

if they thought Manziel have them a better chance to win, he'd be starting. it's possible that could still happen this season.

but the clamoring for Manziel every time Hoyer has a bad game is ridiculous.
Click to expand...
It doesn't look like the Browns are going to re-sign Hoyer. So they might make a huge mistake, let him walk, and he becomes studly in his second year after the ACL....for another team.
Click to expand...
you are correct that he may be even better another year removed from the injury, but i just doubt that is going to factor into their decision.
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I don't think its going to just be their decision. He will be a free agent at year's end, isn't he? He can go anywhere he wants.
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it seems he would prefer to resign with the Browns, but it does not seem like they are ready to commit to him. which may well mean they still believe Manziel could be the answer long term.

 
MAC_32 said:
If the browns make the playoffs they will re-sign Hoyer.

If they don't then they probably won't.
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This seems like the incorrect way to think. I would focus on the best move for my organization long term.

I would NOT have MAC_32's mentality.....

Who cares if he leads you to the first round of the playoffs #kellyholcumb

 
OrangeJulius said:
MAC_32 said:
If the browns make the playoffs they will re-sign Hoyer.

If they don't then they probably won't.
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This seems like the incorrect way to think. I would focus on the best move for my organization long term.

I would NOT have MAC_32's mentality.....

Who cares if he leads you to the first round of the playoffs #kellyholcumb
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sustainability all starts with building a winning culture, that's happening with Hoyer, that wouldnt be happening with Manziel. It'd be on the job training. Just look around the league, a bunch of young qb's being rushed onto the field then performing predictably inconsistently and their team playing predictably poorly.Maybe he'll play next year, not something sane people around here are worrying about until after the season though.

 
MAC_32 said:
OrangeJulius said:
MAC_32 said:
If the browns make the playoffs they will re-sign Hoyer.

If they don't then they probably won't.
Click to expand...
This seems like the incorrect way to think. I would focus on the best move for my organization long term.

I would NOT have MAC_32's mentality.....

Who cares if he leads you to the first round of the playoffs #kellyholcumb
Click to expand...
sustainability all starts with building a winning culture, that's happening with Hoyer, that wouldnt be happening with Manziel. It'd be on the job training. Just look around the league, a bunch of young qb's being rushed onto the field then performing predictably inconsistently and their team playing predictably poorly.Maybe he'll play next year, not something sane people around here are worrying about until after the season though.
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After today's game - I would think the sane thing to do would be to worry about next season!

 
OrangeJulius said:
MAC_32 said:
OrangeJulius said:
MAC_32 said:
If the browns make the playoffs they will re-sign Hoyer.

If they don't then they probably won't.
Click to expand...
This seems like the incorrect way to think. I would focus on the best move for my organization long term.

I would NOT have MAC_32's mentality.....

Who cares if he leads you to the first round of the playoffs #kellyholcumb
Click to expand...
sustainability all starts with building a winning culture, that's happening with Hoyer, that wouldnt be happening with Manziel. It'd be on the job training. Just look around the league, a bunch of young qb's being rushed onto the field then performing predictably inconsistently and their team playing predictably poorly.Maybe he'll play next year, not something sane people around here are worrying about until after the season though.
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After today's game - I would think the sane thing to do would be to worry about next season!
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:lmao: 6-4

Go to bed.

 
matuski said:
Jerry Curl said:
http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2014/11/24/police-report-johnny-manziel-involved-in-massive-fight-late-friday-night-at-the-9-in-downtown-cleveland
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He just wanted to give Johnny a hug so they punched him in the face.

Yea that is believable.
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UPDATE: Comments from the alleged victim, Chris Gonos, about the fight.

"Yeah, it actually all started through me. We had a room – it was my brother’s birthday — so we were staying at the Metropolitan at the 9. We partied there, and at the end of the night I was going back up to my room, and I noticed the guy. I was like, 'Man, that’s Johnny Manziel.' They were trying to keep it quiet, keep it low, and I was like 'Johnny Football!' I was just excited. But anyways, I went to give him like a handshake, or dap or whatever you want to call it, one of his buddies like tackled me. It was going down, a whole bunch of people started fighting. It ended pretty quick."

"I got a bruised hip and a bruised elbow, and somebody hit me in the back of the head, too. My brother saw what was going on and he ran he tackled Johhny Manziel – I guess he got the sack and the fumble. He tackled him, yeah, I’m talking about he speared him all the way to the back wall. I was cornered; I was by myself and Johnny Manziel and like three or four of his buddies were all coming at me. (My brother) just came to help me out, and I guess Johnny sucker punched him while the security guard was holding him. It should be all on video."

"No [one was arrested], like 20 officers came and I was sitting in the lobby because I did not do anything wrong but be a fan. All these cops run into the lobby, and they’re like, “Who was fighting, who was fighting?” and I just raised my hand, and was like, listen, watch the camera, and stuff like that. I may be guilty of being a fan, but that’s about it. I even showed them the guy that sucker punched me and the cops walked right up to him, talking to him for a while, and they let us all go. They just told me I had to leave the hotel, and me and my ride, we left. Manziel never punched me, but he got a sucker punch on my brother."

"I know somebody else in the group smashed Johnny right in the face. Smashed him, smashed him. I watched the whole game to see if we could spot him on the sidelines."
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I dont like Manziel, and think he's a bit of a D-Bag...

but this guys story sounds pretty well scripted... and sounds like a bigger D Bag than JFF

 
Buffaloes said:
pretty good at the whole make 1 read and then tuck and run thing
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http://www.aggiesports.com/blogs/aubreybloom/can-johnny-manziel-read-a-defense/article_8ef9c30e-a967-11e3-996b-0019bb2963f4.html

he asked Manziel what he would do in certain scenarios -- based on what the defense was showing. He said that Manziel answered each time, that he didn't know, couldn't answer the question ... and that he wasn't taught the nuances of the QB position at A&M. "They just snapped me the ball and wanted me to make a play," was his general response when asked."
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I doubt he'll be able to do anything else.

 
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