**** OFFICIAL **** LOST - The TV Series (2 Viewers)

[packersfan]

Seriously, I liked her character and wish the actress wasn't so f'd up that the producers likely felt compelled to be rid of her.

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Wrong.She got a DUI. Like she's the only actress in Hollywood who drinks. I'm pretty sure a lot of them dabble in a little more than alcohol. What a ridiculous statement.

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Packersfan - Read the link above or a page back. If it really is from one of the guys who give out tidbits/spoilers (not sure since it was an ABC forum post, but I have seen his column), then it states that the producers intended for Rodriguez to be a one season character and that she agreed. They mentioned that her death was key to the progression to the season finale.
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I read it and referenced it in my post. I'm not ruling it out but even they admit it's probably tough for folks to swallow given the numerous problems and rumors associated with Michelle Rodriguez since she joined the cast. In any event, I liked Ana-Lucia and even though I had a feeling she was going to bite it, I'm still bummed that it happened. I was hoping her and Jack would get a little something happening but the producers veered off that road (after acknowledging that was one of the reasons why they added her character). Perhaps it's just a coincidence that the Ana-Lucia/Jack stuff pretty much stopped right around the time Rodriguez got her DUI.

Maybe that was part of the plan all along as well. Maybe.

 

[Galileo]

I don't think so because Jack just left to go get the guns. Jack was pretty gung ho about going after Zeke until he brough Kate out. I think he had to kill AL and free/kill Henry (not sure yet) as his mission to maybe get Walt back.

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why whould the others provoke the losties into a confrontation though? michael is describing them as weak, giving them a small population that the losties *could* overpower. would it be an attempt to subjugate or exterminate them? now, given the deaths of AL and Libby, the escape of Henry, the abduction of Walt and the "wound" to Michael, it's prvoking the losties to act.
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My guess is that this camp is not The Others, but maybe another group of survivors also on the island. Whatever happened to Michael is causing him to create a war between the survivors while each is thinking they are fighting The Others. That will introduce more people to kill off in later episodes, much like introducing the tailies to kill them off. Of course, I have nothing to substantiate that. Just thinking.
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Hmmm...there may be something to that. Michael says he didn't see Walt or the other children there. He also did not see a boat... He seemed to scout the camp out for a while (knew guard patterns) so you think he'd have seen some sign of captured folks. I read somewhere there will be new characters introduced in to the story line for next season. My first thought was we'll start learning about some of the Others, but maybe a new camp of survivors are introduced that are also part of the Dharma experimentation. They got their own special little hatch to deal with....allthough this little idea doesn't seem to fit with the whole Michael working for the Others scenario

 

[PeaceBringer]

wow, is what I have to say. THey did kill off both actresses involved in the DUI's, with libby being the other. Sad, would be nice to see more of that story. Hurley looking at himself more like he is cursed will be more of it. Nice twist though.

 

[saintfool]

ANY CHANCE HENRY GAYLE is the LEADER, thats why he never attacked Locke

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interesting... i know they have portrayed Zeke/Sea Captain as the leader thusfar....

 

[Bowbiejuke]

ZEKE could be the general, under GAYLE rarely leaders go out in the field as an acting principal

Just a thought

 

[Crimson Hawk]

Does anyone vaguely remeber those two little kids whos mother died in the crash that were taken by the others...i totally forgot their names...it was like a brother and this blonde girl for his sister i think jack may have saved the boyes life or something....bet thats Jacks sister.

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It was AL that saved the girl's life right after the tail section crashed and yes, I agree that that girl may be Jack's half-sister. When I saw that scene, I thought immediately of which girl on the island would end up being his half-sister.
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Jack will end up finding his half sister, they'll have sex, and BOOM! They'll call the island: Arkansas
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Fixed. BTW I hate Michael.

 

[Dr. van Nostrand]

ZEKE could be the general, under GAYLE rarely leaders go out in the field as an acting principal

Just a thought

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Take it with a grain of salt as "Henry" lied too many times to count, but "Henry"did laugh when Sayid (?) mentioned "Zeke" when "Henry" said "him" the first time.

 

[The Dude]

By the way, whoever is in charge of The Other is a "great man, a brilliant man" according to Henry. We still don't know who that person is but it's safe to say it's someone we've been introduced to in some fashion already.

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I'm guessing Locke's dad is the main man - and maybe Jack's dad also. I don't think we've seen his body. There may be some other fathers in on the deal also.

 

[Sundays Rule]

geronimo jackson

 

[Blackhawk 69]

As soon as Michael shot himself I said to my wife Michael is going to frame Henry and get everybody on his side to go after the others.

Now the previews sort of make it look like Libby didn't die and said Michael shot her. Of course these previews are always suspect.

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No one was opposing Michael, so I dont see why he needed to frame Henry to convince everybody to go after the Others with him.
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He did not know about Henry when he first woke up. Anna told him about Henry and gave him the combo, which he could say he didn't know. So he couldn't have opened it up. Deflecting blame.
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You said that Michael was going to frame Michael to get everyone on his side to go after the Others. This doesnt make sense because everyone was already on his side.

Micheal was either brainwashed or lied to by the Others. He knew "Henry" was being held before he "stumbled"across Jack and Kate.

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I said Michael was framing Henry,not michael. How did Michael know "Henry" was being held before Al told him?
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Is this schtick?Of course I realize you're saying Micheal is framing Henry, not that Michael is framing Michael.

As for how he knew, THE OTHERS TOLD HIM! Why else would he kill Ana Lucia and allow an Other, someone who is part of the group of people who took his son, to escape unharmed.

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Thank for admitting your mistake of Michael framing Henry.Now your other statement that the others told him, how do you know that?

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This conversation ... [look at Tyler] ... is over.

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You know I'm not going to say that this thread was better w/out you last year. you do add to it, but your opinion is not always right. (maybe you rely on spoilers)Michael could have been casing, what he thought was the Others camp and came out when he heard Jack's voice. Then back at the hatch finds out there is an other there from Al that what we saw.

(and maybe snaps or does what he thinks is best to get Walt back, my thought..)

 

[prosopis]

ANY CHANCE HENRY GAYLE is the LEADER, thats why he never attacked Locke

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That is exactly what I think. Henry Gale is the leader and he is now lying. He was not going to the losties camp. He just happened to get caught while out in the jungle. I think he is the head honcho and this is why the others have sent Michael on this elaborate mission to set him free.

 

[Brewdude]

Interesting theory regarding Jack's sister from MSNBC.com:

Jack's father convinced Ana-Lucia to protect him on his trip to Australia, but why? We saw him confront a blonde woman who looked and sounded an awful lot like Claire, all the while screaming to her about how she had to let him see his daughter. Is Claire that daughter, making Jack her half-brother? The family ties on the island continue to thicken.

 

[packersfan]

ANY CHANCE HENRY GAYLE is the LEADER, thats why he never attacked Locke

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That is exactly what I think. Henry Gale is the leader and he is now lying. He was not going to the losties camp. He just happened to get caught while out in the jungle. I think he is the head honcho and this is why the others have sent Michael on this elaborate mission to set him free.
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This wouldn't surprise me at all. Henry's been the sharpest "Other" we've seen so far. He's manipulated everyone he's come into contact with. So it would not be a surprise at all to find out he's actually the one in charge. Like I said, whoever that turns out to be almost certainly will be a character we've been introduced to in some fashion. I'm convinced of that. So Henry is definitely an option.

 

[packersfan]

The preview also showed Kate crying and being consoled by Sawyer. I find it hard to believe she'd be crying over Ana-Lucia or even Libby. So what happens (or happened) to make Kate break down?

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No thoughts about this?

 

[Capella]

The preview also showed Kate crying and being consoled by Sawyer. I find it hard to believe she'd be crying over Ana-Lucia or even Libby. So what happens (or happened) to make Kate break down?

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No thoughts about this?
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I would think seeing two dead bodies after being on an island for 50 days with no hope of recovery would cause one to just break down.

 

[Wingnut]

The preview also showed Kate crying and being consoled by Sawyer. I find it hard to believe she'd be crying over Ana-Lucia or even Libby. So what happens (or happened) to make Kate break down?

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No thoughts about this?
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Shes a woman. Shes overemotional by gender. She probably breaks a nail and loses it.

 

[packersfan]

The preview also showed Kate crying and being consoled by Sawyer. I find it hard to believe she'd be crying over Ana-Lucia or even Libby. So what happens (or happened) to make Kate break down?

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No thoughts about this?
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I would think seeing two dead bodies after being on an island for 50 days with no hope of recovery would cause one to just break down.
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Maybe but Kate's pretty tough. I just can't see her breaking down because two people -- including one she didn't seem to like all that much -- have died. I don't remember her breaking down like that when Boone or Shannon died.

 

[Wingnut]

The preview also showed Kate crying and being consoled by Sawyer. I find it hard to believe she'd be crying over Ana-Lucia or even Libby. So what happens (or happened) to make Kate break down?

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No thoughts about this?
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I would think seeing two dead bodies after being on an island for 50 days with no hope of recovery would cause one to just break down.
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Actually I was thinking along the same lines...Shes seen alot of death on the island, and with the recent multiple shootings, whats happened in the past, etc, everything just finally catches up to her.

 

[dickey moe]

By the way, whoever is in charge of The Other is a "great man, a brilliant man" according to Henry. We still don't know who that person is but it's safe to say it's someone we've been introduced to in some fashion already.

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Not that this has any relevance, but didn't Dennis Hopper's character in Apocalypse Now say basically the same thing about Col. Kurtz (Brando) when Hopper meets Martin Sheen's character toward the end? That scene from the movie immediately popped into my mind for some reason during this part of the Lost episode tonight.And also, with the Hanso commercial and phone number -- how brilliant is that? Now rabid Lost fans will HAVE to sit through the commercials in order to pick up these little tidbits. Pure marketing genius.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Not Ana Lucia!!!! 

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Not Libby!!!!

 

[Loan Sharks]

But why starts the whole Hurley Libby thing and then kill Libby off. Is she even dead? cuz we still have to find out wut she really wants with hurley.

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When they said "she's dead" they only showed Ana-Lucia. Kate didn't say "they're dead" so perhaps Libby didn't buy the farm.
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If thats the case then she will be able to tell the survivors who shot her. And, does anyone remember Libby in the hatch before this incident? I dont. Her dumb drunk butt just cost her a job.
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Yeah doing laundry with Hurley and changing her clothes.

 

[Loan Sharks]

But why starts the whole Hurley Libby thing and then kill Libby off. Is she even dead? cuz we still have to find out wut she really wants with hurley.

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When they said "she's dead" they only showed Ana-Lucia. Kate didn't say "they're dead" so perhaps Libby didn't buy the farm.
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Didnt it also seem like Michael was in the armory with the sling on his arm? Meaning Libby didnt die and told Locke/Jack/Kate who shot her (?) ...
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My guess he lets out Henry and lets him go and tells him the deal to go back to the others. Then he locks himself in the armory. And when Jack et al get there he says Ana let him out and he started shooting people.

 

[cocoagirl]

As soon as Michael shot himself I said to my wife Michael is going to frame Henry and get everybody on his side to go after the others.

Now the previews sort of make it look like Libby didn't die and said Michael shot her. Of course these previews are always suspect.

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That's what I think as well.

 

[cocoagirl]

The preview also showed Kate crying and being consoled by Sawyer. I find it hard to believe she'd be crying over Ana-Lucia or even Libby. So what happens (or happened) to make Kate break down?

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No thoughts about this?
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Shes a woman. Shes overemotional by gender. She probably breaks a nail and loses it.
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Ida know. Considering the stress of being on an island with no way to get home, two deaths and an escaped killer might break a person.

 

[Alias]

that's not the michael

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[curta269]

My thoughts on tonights episode.

Micheal killed AL to get the Losties fired up and out of the hatch. He made a deal with the Others to get Walt back. It would be a lot easier for them to get the Losties when they are out of the hatch and in the jungle. He shoots her and makes it look like Henry did it. They already know Henry is an other. Libby was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The daughter Jack's dad wanted to see was Claire. That is just a wild guess, but everyone else on the island has met before/been related.

Desmond is the leader of the Others. We haven't seen him since episode 1 of season 2, when he took off out of the hatch. The Others keep referencing him/ who we have to have met before. I think it is Desmond. You know he did not get off the island and is still there somehow.

I think Jack's dad is going to turn up alive on the island. They found his coffin, empty, and the island has healing powers. I believe he will turn up alive soon. Maybe in the season finale. J.J. Abrams always has a big cliffhanger. Maybe Jack's dad will be in it.

Great show tonight. A lot going on, finally.

 

[Alias]

I think Jack's Dad is the ring leader of the others

When AL was making a phone call at the airport I thought she might have been calling Jack's Dad, not using that as evidence of course, but it would make a nice twist.

 

[3MTA3]

Umm

So I'm signing up for the newsletter and I entered my screenname. The screen just went a little crazy (Silent Hill-ish) and, in scribble, somebody wrote on the screen if "I could read this"

So naturally I typed in Yes then hit Enter.

Now it scribbled "It's Me Persephone, What's the Password?"

Thoughts?

 

[3MTA3]

Guessed a wrong password and then...

"Call the callcenter in the TV ad section"

 

[Darth Cheney]

I think Jack's Dad is the ring leader of the others

When AL was making a phone call at the airport I thought she might have been calling Jack's Dad, not using that as evidence of course, but it would make a nice twist.

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He is directly responsible for three people being or staying in Australia so far. If he is Claire's father.... then that's a fourth.

 

[guru_007]

Weren't Ana Lucia and Libby the two girls charged with DUI's? My thoughts are the producers killed them off because of this.

 

[Sack-Religious.]

I wonder if "The Evil Twin" thing he was reading has anything to do with anything....

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This was mentioned quite some time ago. The producers of LOST said that someone would be reading a manuscript on the island and to pay close attention to it.As another poster pointed out, the manuscript from the island is an actual book that's now for sale.

The LOST cash-cow grows.

 

[Sack-Religious.]

Thoughts on last night.

I didn't notice it, my wife did, but in one of the first scenes when AL is getting out of the cop car, the shot pans out and the numbers on the tops of the cop cars are 4 8 and 15. Could be a coincidence.

I don't think Jack's dad's illegitimate child is Claire. Granted, I don't think we've seen where she'd been living after her boyfriend left her, but it appeared she had little family support, which pushed her towards adoption. If she was living with an aunt or her mother that's some sort of a support network.

It would also appear that Claire would have seen the psychic right around the time that Jack's dad went to that house.

I'm not getting worked up over the preview of Eko falling. It's either a dream sequence or he lands in water or something. The previews have always been misleading in this regard.

 

[yahtzee]

that's not the michael

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I was saying the same thing. We know the others have makeup and wigs, so why not dress someone up to look like him. It's definitely a possibility.

 

[Killerclown]

I still think Henry Gale is the leader of The Others

 

[LAUNCH]

Did anyone call the phone number?

LAUNCH

 

[Dash]

Thoughts on last night.

I didn't notice it, my wife did, but in one of the first scenes when AL is getting out of the cop car, the shot pans out and the numbers on the tops of the cop cars are 4 8 and 15.  Could be a coincidence.

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Those were the cars in the row on the left. I believe the cars on the right completed the sequence.

 

[beer 30]

Anybody notice Sawyer in the flashback scene when Jack's Dad was getting out of the car?

No significance, just wanted to post something.

 

[stbugs]

Cover his tracks, nah, don't buy it. He could have put AL in the armory if he was just there to get Henry. Once he delivers Henry and gets Walt back (your theory above), then he has 2 choices. Stay with the Others, in which case he has no need to cover his tracks. Go back to the survivors, in which case he also has no need to cover his tracks as everyone would not have an issue since he got Walt back.

When he said he was sorry, he showed us that he had to kill AL. If he really didn't want to kill her, then he just locks her up.

Oh well, hopefully we will know who is correct before the end of the season.

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But given what "Henry" said to Ana Lucia about Goodwin and "him", isnt it possible that Michael was told he had to kill Ana Luciain addition to free "Henry"?
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Yes it is possible. The only thing we really don't know yet is if he was there to kill Henry, free Henry or do nothing to Henry (i.e. only kill Anna).Remember, at the point Michael got found by Jack, the Others may have no idea that Jack had Henry. The only way Michael would have known about Henry was if the Others heard Jack yelling and then changed Michael's mission. I think that is more of a stretch at this point than Michael being told to kill Anna and being on the way back when he heard Jack and went towards him.

I was mainly replying to someone saying that theories thrown around were silly. I agree on some of the outlandish stuff (purgatory, celery not being celery, etc.), but I don't mind folks like us watching the show and throwing out ideas on why things happened.

 

[3MTA3]

Did anyone call the phone number?

LAUNCH

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Yep, for the password, but just kept ringing, nobody picked up.

 

[stbugs]

I still maintain that it's an ambush.  The Others are no where near as weak as Michael protrayed them, and he's trying to bait the Losties into a trap.

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The way the situation developed Michael probably saw this as his best earliest and best opportunity. He is lying about the weakness of the others, i think.however, the question is then: why are the others itching for a fight now? could they have found sawyer's cache of guns?

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I agree with this. Did you notice Kate's face when he said that? Since she knew about the beard and saw/heard the story about Claire's abduction, I think Kate seemed to hesitate. The problem is that Michael is all about Walt, so I think they are all giving him the benefit of the doubt, right now at least.

I actually don't know whether or not the Others are itching for a fight.

I think there is a lot of lying going on now. I am starting to think that Michael is not being controlled by the Others and he just saw an opportunity to grab Henry and use him as bait. I almost think that after he accidentally killed Libby that he switched his plan to implicate Henry in the deaths. Kind of like his plan went to far and he screwed the pooch too much.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

As soon as Michael shot himself I said to my wife Michael is going to frame Henry and get everybody on his side to go after the others.

Now the previews sort of make it look like Libby didn't die and said Michael shot her. Of course these previews are always suspect.

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That's what I think as well.
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Here's a possibility:Libby and Michael tell conflicting stories about what happened in the hatch. Hurley realizes that Libby was in the asylum with him. As a result, people think Libby is not telling the truth.

 

[Capella]

Anybody notice Sawyer in the flashback scene when Jack's Dad was getting out of the car?

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You mean the scene where he was hit by the car door and then yelled at the guy?Nah, didn't catch it.

 

[stbugs]

Interesting theory regarding Jack's sister from MSNBC.com:

Jack's father convinced Ana-Lucia to protect him on his trip to Australia, but why? We saw him confront a blonde woman who looked and sounded an awful lot like Claire, all the while screaming to her about how she had to let him see his daughter. Is Claire that daughter, making Jack her half-brother? The family ties on the island continue to thicken.

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Sounded like her? That lady and Claire are from Australia, so yes they would sound alike. I actually think that the little girl that Anna saved looks more like that lady than Claire.Anyway, it could be Claire, although that mom would have to have had her pretty young. It does make sense though that Claire was not exactly living it up and got pregnant young as well, since her mom would have had her pretty young and wasn't living in a mansion.

The whole sound alike thing made me laugh. Kind of like saying two blondes from Alabama must be related because they sound alike.

 

[stbugs]

Anybody notice Sawyer in the flashback scene when Jack's Dad was getting out of the car?

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You mean the scene where he was hit by the car door and then yelled at the guy?Nah, didn't catch it.

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[stbugs]

As soon as Michael shot himself I said to my wife Michael is going to frame Henry and get everybody on his side to go after the others.

Now the previews sort of make it look like Libby didn't die and said Michael shot her. Of course these previews are always suspect.

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That's what I think as well.
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Here's a possibility:Libby and Michael tell conflicting stories about what happened in the hatch. Hurley realizes that Libby was in the asylum with him. As a result, people think Libby is not telling the truth.

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I like that thought. The previews definitely had a line in it where they just said "she's dead" and they were looking over Anna. Someone said Hurley was talking to Michael and looked OK as well, but I don't remember that.Also, for everybody saying that Michael freed Henry, we still don't know if that happened. For all we know he could have put a bullet in his head. Or is there some Canadian preview that I missed? Hulk, link?

 

[badmojo1006]

I think Jack's Dad is the ring leader of the others

When AL was making a phone call at the airport I thought she might have been calling Jack's Dad, not using that as evidence of course, but it would make a nice twist.

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Also, i think Locke's dad is somehow involved with the Others

 

[Verbal Kint]

If Libby dies, the storyline between her & Hurley will never get resolved, just as it was getting interesting.

Michael was clearly lying to Kate & Jack when he said they were dressed shabbily and lived in tents. You could tell on Kate's face that she didn't trust him because she saw in the medical hatch that those were just costumes, and by Claire's experience with Ethan we know that they don't normally dress that way.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Also, for everybody saying that Michael freed Henry, we still don't know if that happened. For all we know he could have put a bullet in his head.

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I think it's a pretty reasonable inference. Why would Michael shoot himself in the arm and then kill Henry?

 

[caabeel]

The problem is that Michael is all about Walt, so I think they are all giving him the benefit of the doubt, right now at least.I think there is a lot of lying going on now. I am starting to think that Michael is not being controlled by the Others and he just saw an opportunity to grab Henry and use him as bait. I almost think that after he accidentally killed Libby that he switched his plan to implicate Henry in the deaths.

I believe this is the correct answer. I'll add my I don't think it was until that moment that he decided to kill her.Michael asked for the gun AFTER Ana told him about Henry. Now, you'll say DUH but I'm focusing more on the way he asked for it. He seemed hesitant. Like he wasn't sure whether or not to ask or how to get it from her. You could almost see his mind working. "They have an other locked up? I need him. Get the gun. Then what? Ana won't let me take him as bait. But I have to have him. I could shoot her. But I'd have to kill her. I really don't like her anyhow. Then what? How will I explain that? I'll shoot myself and blame the other. It's my only shot (no pun intended) at getting Walt back."