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**** OFFICIAL **** LOST - The TV Series (1 Viewer)
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so only 16 years ago, allows for Danielle, to be in the experiment series...Others xx yearsWalt ties in because he is a kid and kids have less ties to our reality. Therefore it is easier to exploit possible psychic abilities. Sheesh.
The recording was started before Danielle's team changed it 16 years before the plane crashed.
Danille 16 years
815 - Current
this goes back to the "17 year clone cycle nonsense"??
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
See, now when I saw the bunker the tail section folks were using it looked to me as if that hatch had been cleaned out and abandoned. Didn't seem like it was just a concrete bunker.I bet it had previously been like Desmond's bunker but whomever was inside left.
Chatter has died down significantly.
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Irregardless.
Have you not seen the pages of Washer/Dryer debates? After all the kid is clairvoyant.
Dr. van Nostrand
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The bunker the tail survivors are using is also a Dharma facility; its got one of the Dharma symbols on the wall. My guess is that its one of the other 5 test facilities, but was either not finished or was allowed to become run down for some reason.
Dr. van Nostrand
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Add this to the the whole "Don't press the button" thing and it seems like Walt really didnt want them going down there...
And if we believe the orientation film, it was created in 1980 so we can kind of assume that the hatch has had someone pressing the button for 24 years and that Danielle's team crashed in 1988 when they "heard" the number sequence. She changed the recording after the crash, but I wonder if the original recording was the numbers?so only 16 years ago, allows for Danielle, to be in the experiment series...Others xx yearsWalt ties in because he is a kid and kids have less ties to our reality. Therefore it is easier to exploit possible psychic abilities. Sheesh.
The recording was started before Danielle's team changed it 16 years before the plane crashed.
Danille 16 years
815 - Current
this goes back to the "17 year clone cycle nonsense"??
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Pretty sure she said the original recording was those numbers. That's why she had them written down.And if we believe the orientation film, it was created in 1980 so we can kind of assume that the hatch has had someone pressing the button for 24 years and that Danielle's team crashed in 1988 when they "heard" the number sequence. She changed the recording after the crash, but I wonder if the original recording was the numbers?so only 16 years ago, allows for Danielle, to be in the experiment series...Others xx yearsWalt ties in because he is a kid and kids have less ties to our reality. Therefore it is easier to exploit possible psychic abilities. Sheesh.
The recording was started before Danielle's team changed it 16 years before the plane crashed.
Danille 16 years
815 - Current
this goes back to the "17 year clone cycle nonsense"??
original to her???Pretty sure she said the original recording was those numbers. That's why she had them written down.And if we believe the orientation film, it was created in 1980 so we can kind of assume that the hatch has had someone pressing the button for 24 years and that Danielle's team crashed in 1988 when they "heard" the number sequence. She changed the recording after the crash, but I wonder if the original recording was the numbers?so only 16 years ago, allows for Danielle, to be in the experiment series...Others xx yearsWalt ties in because he is a kid and kids have less ties to our reality. Therefore it is easier to exploit possible psychic abilities. Sheesh.
The recording was started before Danielle's team changed it 16 years before the plane crashed.
Danille 16 years
815 - Current
this goes back to the "17 year clone cycle nonsense"??
Yes, it definitely had a Dharma symbol and to be honest, I don't know if we have even seen the whole bunker yet.Also, could we safely assume that the Others, not Tail-Enders, do not know about the Tail-Enders hatch? It was pretty well hidden and one would think that the Others, who have obviously killed some of the Tail-Enders, could have just waited them out if they knew where the hatch was?
They showed the kid carrying the teddy bear so maybe they kill adults and take any children. Why, I have no idea, but even Ethan was after Claire's baby so maybe they weren't going after Walt instead of Claire's baby, maybe they were after both. Also, we still don't know for sure if Ethan was an Other yet.Edit to Add: I don't consider the kid with the teddy bear and the dead tail ender spoilers since they were both shown in the "next week" clip right after the show.
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No.... that is exactly what I'm saying. The Disease is "power" or greed.... much like how Hurley experienced a drastic life change once he won the lottery. Having something that others don't is power... and one part of a group attempting to decide how the whole should use the resources most certainly causes tension. Now you have this compound with many of the niceties back home... and it seems like the delegation of these niceities is causing a concrete heirarchy that is stressing the fabric of the group's relationship. The Others have had thier hatch open far longer (seemingly) and are much worse off... their "authority figures" have corraled the remainder of the group into a subservient segment whille the head crew runs the show.... that camp feels far less happy and free than the main camp did at first.
It feels almost like a pyschological study that was done in california where a group of ordinary people where brought into a faux jail. Some were designated "guards" and some were "prisoners". The situation rapidly deteriorated as it took mere DAYS for the guards to start severely mistreating prisoners.. and for prisoners to begin rising up against the guards. They had to end the experiment early as things got way out of hand.
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
original to her???Pretty sure she said the original recording was those numbers. That's why she had them written down.And if we believe the orientation film, it was created in 1980 so we can kind of assume that the hatch has had someone pressing the button for 24 years and that Danielle's team crashed in 1988 when they "heard" the number sequence. She changed the recording after the crash, but I wonder if the original recording was the numbers?so only 16 years ago, allows for Danielle, to be in the experiment series...Others xx yearsWalt ties in because he is a kid and kids have less ties to our reality. Therefore it is easier to exploit possible psychic abilities. Sheesh.
The recording was started before Danielle's team changed it 16 years before the plane crashed.
Danille 16 years
815 - Current
this goes back to the "17 year clone cycle nonsense"??
Who knows - we're speculating on what the recording was before (if at all) it was changed to the numbers when she crashed. I'm guessing it was always the numbers - hence the Navy guys hearing it all the time.I think Red Raiders is right, I remember the recording discussion and Danielle mentioning that they crashed on the island, but were brought to the island when the heard the numbers. She then recorded her message over the numbers message.To be honest, we really don't know anything about the recording and where it comes from other than what Danielle said. We don't really know if it is linked somehow to Dharma or the hatch where they enter the numbers on the computer. I don't think it is linked to the computer in the hatch because they have to keep entering the numbers, but I think it is safe to assume that what Danielle recording over was an audio tape loop, not something computer driven.original to her???Pretty sure she said the original recording was those numbers. That's why she had them written down.And if we believe the orientation film, it was created in 1980 so we can kind of assume that the hatch has had someone pressing the button for 24 years and that Danielle's team crashed in 1988 when they "heard" the number sequence. She changed the recording after the crash, but I wonder if the original recording was the numbers?so only 16 years ago, allows for Danielle, to be in the experiment series...Others xx yearsWalt ties in because he is a kid and kids have less ties to our reality. Therefore it is easier to exploit possible psychic abilities. Sheesh.
The recording was started before Danielle's team changed it 16 years before the plane crashed.
Danille 16 years
815 - Current
this goes back to the "17 year clone cycle nonsense"??
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
I think this is the main premise of the show. The video told all that we need to know. They designed an illegal unethical experiment that they knew they could not carry out in any country thus they made it up themselves. By keeping fresh meat available for whatever reason DHARMA sees a whole new experiment commence. The hatch and the "execute" is just one simple step and experiment. They did an experiment where people would shock someone if they gave a wrong answer. It was set up where the person would always give a wrong answer and they would have to be shocked. The person doing the shocking did it even when the person getting shocked expressed pain and discomfort. The conclusion was that people will be obedient when a higher authority (in this case the doctor) tells them to follow up. (This is a reason why soldiers say they are innocent when following bad orders... i.e. Nazy Germany and such.)
Now, where is DHARMA and the experimenters... that is the question. Exactly what does DHARMA stand for? I would bet some psychological term or meaning is behind it.
Paper Lions
Footballguy
They wouldn't do that. People would stop watching.
And the key is that they said
Remember the producers have misled us before. An example was that they said Artz was coming back in season 2 and while he may still be in a flashback, it was trying to throw us off of a spoiler that E! chick wrote about somebody dying in season 1. It just means that any type of spoiler that the producers say in any Q & A might be true but it may be misleading us to think something else.
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Dude, he's a hobbit!
Brewdude
Footballguy
I just watched the episode last night. Nothing new to cover here that's not been said.Regarding the two different lottery tickets--it's not a mistake. One is his ticket and the other is a print out of the winning numbers that you can pick up at a store after the drawing.We've now been introduced to three Dharma symbols and we didn't even know about them last year. Wonder if we'll see another one with the others next week.
(HULK)
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I'm posting a link to a spoiler. Read it at your own risk. Its a big one.
Don't read this unless you are immune to spoilers?
Don't read this unless you are immune to spoilers?
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I understand, but the last few weeks there was some sensitivity to spoilers and I just wanted to point out that the link itself might be a spoiler to some. Simple as that.He sure looked like a fresh kill and the fact that the blonde girl answered Sawyer or Michael's "I thought you said there were 23 of you?" question with "There were" kind of implies that they now have less than 23 people and that some had been killed. I think she would have mentioned them being captured if they weren't killed.Also, the Others shot Sawyer and blew up the boat with Michael and Jin still on it, so they are more than willing to kill the folks from the plane.
That said, since we haven't seen it I am assuming, but I am 99.9% sure of my assumption.
Some random thoughts (... er shots ... look at me I am Joe Bryant ... here is what happens when you give a guy a remote and a fresh set of batteries and a busy weekend so he can't catch up on Lost until Tuesday night ...)The teddy bear on a string kind of reminded me of Peter Pan when the Indians capture the lost boys and the teddy bear is tied up just like that. Maybe I need to leave the room when my kids watch their movies.I was not only surprised that the gas station worker recognized Hurley but that his friend would be so resentful. Hurley didn't ask him to quit, I guess the fact that Hurley didn't tell him what was going on may have been the cause of the problems but that sure was an odd reaction. And Hurley's reaction was even weirder. I guess he knew that the money would change everything.I wonder if the tailies' dharma facility is really abandoned or if it is set up for a different type of experiment and, therefore, has a different shape and look to it.I am not sure of the reason hurley brought Rose into the hatch unless she plays a much larger role further on in the show. Obviously she said something to make Hurley not blow the food up. She may be the calming influence that Jack needs during tough times leading the tribe?Why were there only 3 months of food left? Is it odd that the group shows up to relieve Desmond when there is only 3 months of food left? That pantry seemed pretty full for having only 3 months of food left. Is it possible that it has been restocked many times since the experiment began? Or am I just overanalyzing (hi shuke)?Would you go crawling around under that huge magnet things encased in concrete when you are on an island with no hospital and without telling anyone you were down there?Anyone in chicago not see the dream sequence with Hurley in a chicken suit and Jin speaking english? Because I don't remember that scene and I even commented on Jin not speaking english to my wife and she said it was odd. Was this edited out in chicago? 
f'n white sox.The introduction of the tailies makes things a lot more exciting. Is it a coincidence that Sawyer and Michelle Rodriguez seem to have a thing for each other right when Jack and Kate seem to be heating up a bit? Was it a coincidence that Kate dropped her bra in front of Jack (hi shuke). Why is she even wearing a bra? I am not complaining but that was one short towel she had.That is a big island if there are 4 more of those dharma facilities.Jack got on my nerves two episodes ago and Charlie is getting on my nerves this most recent episode. I like Locke more and more. He made Charlie look like a little girlie wuss. DON'T FOLLOW LOCKE, HE IS ON TO YOU ALL!Do we really know anything about the size of the groups other than the tailies are 23 and the front of the plane people are 42? Was the French Woman's group 15? 42 + 23 = 65. That doesn't seem like a lot of people for a big ### transpacific flight like that. But, unless we find 4 people who were sucked out a window, I don't think we are going to get much more than that.There is no way they have milk in that dharma facility. Even if it is shipped in fresh every 4 months. So, Walt's face was a clever little joke by the producers of the show. Hurley doesn't know Walt is missing and it should have little to do with the outside world. I refuse to analyze that any further (hi shuke).Finally, I just want to say hi to my GB shuke.thank you and good night.
f'n white sox.The introduction of the tailies makes things a lot more exciting. Is it a coincidence that Sawyer and Michelle Rodriguez seem to have a thing for each other right when Jack and Kate seem to be heating up a bit? Was it a coincidence that Kate dropped her bra in front of Jack (hi shuke). Why is she even wearing a bra? I am not complaining but that was one short towel she had.That is a big island if there are 4 more of those dharma facilities.Jack got on my nerves two episodes ago and Charlie is getting on my nerves this most recent episode. I like Locke more and more. He made Charlie look like a little girlie wuss. DON'T FOLLOW LOCKE, HE IS ON TO YOU ALL!Do we really know anything about the size of the groups other than the tailies are 23 and the front of the plane people are 42? Was the French Woman's group 15? 42 + 23 = 65. That doesn't seem like a lot of people for a big ### transpacific flight like that. But, unless we find 4 people who were sucked out a window, I don't think we are going to get much more than that.There is no way they have milk in that dharma facility. Even if it is shipped in fresh every 4 months. So, Walt's face was a clever little joke by the producers of the show. Hurley doesn't know Walt is missing and it should have little to do with the outside world. I refuse to analyze that any further (hi shuke).Finally, I just want to say hi to my GB shuke.thank you and good night.
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
If my best friend won 165 million dollars I definitely wouldn't be pissed because I just quit my $6 an hour job. I didn't get his friend's reaction at all.
(HULK)
(Smash)
I'm not in Chicago, but that scene was pretty much right at the begining. The whole milk carton thing was part of the same scene, so, I'm confused how you saw that but didn't see/hear Jin speaking English.Anyone in chicago not see the dream sequence with Hurley in a chicken suit and Jin speaking english? Because I don't remember that scene and I even commented on Jin not speaking english to my wife and she said it was odd. Was this edited out in chicago?
I agree with you guys, but I don't know if he was as much pissed as in shock and I think both of them knew that the money would change things. I would be extremely happy and more than willing to be a posse member (i.e. John Candy in Brewster's Millions) for my wealthy buddy, but the tag line was about things changing, so I think they both realized that the friendship that they had would not be the same.
Was it before or after the part where they lower the rope into the hole and Michelle Rodriguez (what is here character's name?) throws the rock at Sawyer's head?edit to add: I didn't see the milk carton. I saw the screen shots in this thread.I'm not in Chicago, but that scene was pretty much right at the begining. The whole milk carton thing was part of the same scene, so, I'm confused how you saw that but didn't see/hear Jin speaking English.Anyone in chicago not see the dream sequence with Hurley in a chicken suit and Jin speaking english? Because I don't remember that scene and I even commented on Jin not speaking english to my wife and she said it was odd. Was this edited out in chicago?
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(HULK)
(Smash)
Before. I'm not positive but it may have been the opening sequence.Was it before or after the part where they lower the rope into the hole and Michelle Rodriguez (what is here character's name?) throws the rock at Sawyer's head?edit to add: I didn't see the milk carton. I saw the screen shots in this thread.I'm not in Chicago, but that scene was pretty much right at the begining. The whole milk carton thing was part of the same scene, so, I'm confused how you saw that but didn't see/hear Jin speaking English.Anyone in chicago not see the dream sequence with Hurley in a chicken suit and Jin speaking english? Because I don't remember that scene and I even commented on Jin not speaking english to my wife and she said it was odd. Was this edited out in chicago?
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Any Bets on the Murderer?
I'll give the market a shot
I'll give the market a shot
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That was it then. I forgot to set to record and must have missed the first few minutes.Before. I'm not positive but it may have been the opening sequence.Was it before or after the part where they lower the rope into the hole and Michelle Rodriguez (what is here character's name?) throws the rock at Sawyer's head?edit to add: I didn't see the milk carton. I saw the screen shots in this thread.I'm not in Chicago, but that scene was pretty much right at the begining. The whole milk carton thing was part of the same scene, so, I'm confused how you saw that but didn't see/hear Jin speaking English.Anyone in chicago not see the dream sequence with Hurley in a chicken suit and Jin speaking english? Because I don't remember that scene and I even commented on Jin not speaking english to my wife and she said it was odd. Was this edited out in chicago?
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Might reveal who was murdered
Buckychudd
Footballguy
You're overanlayzing.There are 40+ survivors. Three months worth of food for them would be (40x3=120) 10 years of food for a single person.
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
I know. I put them in the market in case anyone hasn't clicked the previous link
I want to take a quick tangent from Odds sheet. Whatever did happened to that whiny rash guy? It seemed like he appeared when there was the discussion of people getting sick (Danielle's crew) and they were almost throwing him out there to kind of make us think that some of the survivors were just starting to get sick.Does anyone think that it has any significance or do you think it is similar to Sawyer when we all thought he was coming down with the sickness but it ended up that he just needed reading glasses?
