Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
bump for the evening crowd
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**** OFFICIAL **** LOST - The TV Series (2 Viewers)
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Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Next new episode? Is there a recap?
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Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
link?
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
Why the need for hostility? My original post was a clarification of the maps I linked in earlier posts. I didnt come up with the drains idea.Regardless, I dont ever remember seeing a waterfall at a shoreline. That, of course, means nothing, but given the context of the show, it really isnt that farfetched to believe those could be drains. We know there are Dharma facilities on the island. We know there is power on the island. We know there is running water. Why do you think someone has to be a moron to entertain the possibility of those formations being drains?
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
... again with the hostility. I was trying to generate some discussion in the 12 weeks between new episodes. I ws hoping to start a rational discussion and Im really tiring of your "subtle"insults of my intelligence.99%? Please.- They're fairly symmetrical, both in terms of height and the stream of water falling down.
- They're close to the shore.
- The face of the mountain looks to be very steep, meaning its pretty unlikely that there are two rivers running down to the shore.
- There isnt a third formation in the area between the two formations.
And of course the drains wouldnt be from the showers in the hatch. Why do even bother posting something like that? The speculation would be that there is some other facility on the island that uses A LOT of water.
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
fixedFine, they are could be drains.
- They're fairly symmetrical, both in terms of height and the stream of water falling down.
- They're close to the shore.
- The face of the mountain looks to be very steep, meaning its pretty unlikely that there are two rivers running down to the shore.
- There isnt a third formation in the area between the two formations.
And of course the drains wouldnt be from the showers in the hatch. Why do even bother posting something like that? The speculation would be that there is some other facility on the island that uses A LOT of water.
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
I was never saying they were absolutley, undoubtedly water drains. Rather Im saying that the chances of them being drains is much greater than 1 in 100.FWIW, the screen cap of the formations has 1 fewer view than this 
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Footballguy
http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/...9441|1|,00.html
The Journey of 'Lost'
"Basically, 'Lost' is one of those things," says executive producer Carlton Cuse, "where you have to appreciate the journey and try not to worry about the endpoint. We're not in control of the endpoint."
The Wednesday-night ABC megahit about the survivors of the crash of a Sydney-to-Los Angeles airliner on a deserted island -- which turned out to be not so deserted after all -- returns on Wednesday, Jan. 11, with the first new season-two episode in a while.
According to ABC, in "The 23rd Psalm," tail-section strongman Mr. Eko (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje) quizzes recovering addict Charlie (Dominic Monaghan) about his heroin-stuffed Virgin Mary statue; upon discovering Charlie's secret, Claire (Emilie de Ravin) loses faith in him; and Jack (Matthew Fox) looks on as Kate (Evangeline Lilly) gives Sawyer (Josh Holloway) a haircut.
As hinted at by the guest-star list, the episode, written by Cuse and series co-creator Damon Lindelof, appears to include a flashback relating to Eko's Nigerian past.
But viewers probably shouldn't get their hopes up that it will provide a complete explanation for any one of the show's myriad mysteries.
As Lindelof points out, "When have we given you a definitive answer to anything?"
Serialized television is a curious thing. The writers control where a story begins, but networks usually say when it ends. That's especially true with a show that's a hit, whether it's "The X-Files" or "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" or "Lost." Networks want hit shows to stay on as long as possible, even when the original story arcs should have long since come to natural conclusions.
"The reality is," Lindelof says, "that Carlton, myself, J.J. [co-creator J.J. Abrams], the creative brains behind the 'Lost' universe, we could all band together and say, 'We're ending the show after three seasons because that's the arc. They get off the island, and we reveal all the things we want to reveal.'
"And the network would say, 'No, you won't.' They will hire somebody and do 'Lost,' with or without you."
Beyond the network, real-life events can affect storytelling. On Dec. 1, two cast members who play recently introduced tail-section characters were arrested 15 minutes apart on charges of drunken driving in Hawaii, where the show is filmed.
According to published reports, the attorney for Cynthia Watros, who plays psychologist Libby, requested and was granted a continuance of the arraignment to Jan. 12, when she is expected to plead guilty.
Michelle Rodriguez, who plays tough LAPD officer Ana-Lucia, has had several brushes with the law, and is on probation for previous traffic offenses in Los Angeles. She pled not guilty to the Hawaii charges, and trial is set for March 30. Later this month, Los Angeles prosecutors are also expected to ask the court to schedule a probation-violation hearing.
Asked if producers have a contingency plan should Rodriguez fail to prevail in court, Cuse says, "We're just going to see how things play out, and we'll deal with it accordingly. She's a really good part of the show. We really value her and her character and hope things work out in her favor."
Apparently, Libby will come to the fore in future episodes.
"She's a little bit of a stealth surprise that we have cooking on the island," Lindelof says. "That is going to be very cool, when the longer game reveals itself."
No doubt Libby's revelations will answer a few questions but also add to the ever-growing list of inexplicable things on the island, which includes unseen monsters, a polar bear, underground bunkers, a slave ship and a horse.
On the other hand, if you're a dedicated fan of J.J. Abrams' other ABC show, the spy drama "Alias" -- which has a plot so convoluted that explaining it could cause a cerebral hemorrhage -- you've long since learned not to sweat the small stuff.
"We suggest you do the same on 'Lost,'" Lindelof says. "That's between the lines here. If you're watching the show because you're waiting for the big answers to come, you have to understand that by the nature of what it is -- it's not a movie, it's not a series of movies, it's not a trilogy, it's not a miniseries -- it's going to be on the air for as long as ABC wants to keep it on the air.
"How can you ever possibly think that 'Lost' will end in a satisfying way? Carlton and I can almost guarantee you that it will not."
In the meantime, the producers strive for a weekly thrill ride that won't disappoint. So far, they've succeeded, since "Lost" is the first "genre" series (a catch-all showbiz term for science fiction, fantasy and horror) to capture a mass audience since "The X-Files."
"Lost" also has perhaps the most diverse cast on television in terms of race, ethnicity and cultural background.
But, says Lindelof, there's more to it than that.
"It's essentially a cult show in its design and its genre, but what makes it accessible to a wider audience is that there is a character on the show who is like you, even if that character is Jin.
"It doesn't mean that you're Korean, but you're in a marriage where your wife doesn't understand you. You are working your ### off for her father, and she doesn't appreciate your contribution.
"Or you were in the army, and you identify with Sayid, he has a very soldier-like mentality. Or you are a father who doesn't have the kind of relationship with your kid that you would want to have, then you're Michael.
"You are searching for some sense of spirituality in your life, and you're Locke, or you're pregnant and scared to be pregnant ... there is a very wide range of entryways into the show in terms of characters you can identify with."
"That's why we found a mass audience," Cuse says, "because if it was just a genre show, if there wasn't the genius of Damon and J.J.'s flashback invention, it would be a much more limited-audience show. That is the secret of 'Lost.'"
Says Lindelof, "Don't tell."
The Journey of 'Lost'
"Basically, 'Lost' is one of those things," says executive producer Carlton Cuse, "where you have to appreciate the journey and try not to worry about the endpoint. We're not in control of the endpoint."
The Wednesday-night ABC megahit about the survivors of the crash of a Sydney-to-Los Angeles airliner on a deserted island -- which turned out to be not so deserted after all -- returns on Wednesday, Jan. 11, with the first new season-two episode in a while.
According to ABC, in "The 23rd Psalm," tail-section strongman Mr. Eko (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje) quizzes recovering addict Charlie (Dominic Monaghan) about his heroin-stuffed Virgin Mary statue; upon discovering Charlie's secret, Claire (Emilie de Ravin) loses faith in him; and Jack (Matthew Fox) looks on as Kate (Evangeline Lilly) gives Sawyer (Josh Holloway) a haircut.
As hinted at by the guest-star list, the episode, written by Cuse and series co-creator Damon Lindelof, appears to include a flashback relating to Eko's Nigerian past.
But viewers probably shouldn't get their hopes up that it will provide a complete explanation for any one of the show's myriad mysteries.
As Lindelof points out, "When have we given you a definitive answer to anything?"
Serialized television is a curious thing. The writers control where a story begins, but networks usually say when it ends. That's especially true with a show that's a hit, whether it's "The X-Files" or "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" or "Lost." Networks want hit shows to stay on as long as possible, even when the original story arcs should have long since come to natural conclusions.
"The reality is," Lindelof says, "that Carlton, myself, J.J. [co-creator J.J. Abrams], the creative brains behind the 'Lost' universe, we could all band together and say, 'We're ending the show after three seasons because that's the arc. They get off the island, and we reveal all the things we want to reveal.'
"And the network would say, 'No, you won't.' They will hire somebody and do 'Lost,' with or without you."
Beyond the network, real-life events can affect storytelling. On Dec. 1, two cast members who play recently introduced tail-section characters were arrested 15 minutes apart on charges of drunken driving in Hawaii, where the show is filmed.
According to published reports, the attorney for Cynthia Watros, who plays psychologist Libby, requested and was granted a continuance of the arraignment to Jan. 12, when she is expected to plead guilty.
Michelle Rodriguez, who plays tough LAPD officer Ana-Lucia, has had several brushes with the law, and is on probation for previous traffic offenses in Los Angeles. She pled not guilty to the Hawaii charges, and trial is set for March 30. Later this month, Los Angeles prosecutors are also expected to ask the court to schedule a probation-violation hearing.
Asked if producers have a contingency plan should Rodriguez fail to prevail in court, Cuse says, "We're just going to see how things play out, and we'll deal with it accordingly. She's a really good part of the show. We really value her and her character and hope things work out in her favor."
Apparently, Libby will come to the fore in future episodes.
"She's a little bit of a stealth surprise that we have cooking on the island," Lindelof says. "That is going to be very cool, when the longer game reveals itself."
No doubt Libby's revelations will answer a few questions but also add to the ever-growing list of inexplicable things on the island, which includes unseen monsters, a polar bear, underground bunkers, a slave ship and a horse.
On the other hand, if you're a dedicated fan of J.J. Abrams' other ABC show, the spy drama "Alias" -- which has a plot so convoluted that explaining it could cause a cerebral hemorrhage -- you've long since learned not to sweat the small stuff.
"We suggest you do the same on 'Lost,'" Lindelof says. "That's between the lines here. If you're watching the show because you're waiting for the big answers to come, you have to understand that by the nature of what it is -- it's not a movie, it's not a series of movies, it's not a trilogy, it's not a miniseries -- it's going to be on the air for as long as ABC wants to keep it on the air.
"How can you ever possibly think that 'Lost' will end in a satisfying way? Carlton and I can almost guarantee you that it will not."
In the meantime, the producers strive for a weekly thrill ride that won't disappoint. So far, they've succeeded, since "Lost" is the first "genre" series (a catch-all showbiz term for science fiction, fantasy and horror) to capture a mass audience since "The X-Files."
"Lost" also has perhaps the most diverse cast on television in terms of race, ethnicity and cultural background.
But, says Lindelof, there's more to it than that.
"It's essentially a cult show in its design and its genre, but what makes it accessible to a wider audience is that there is a character on the show who is like you, even if that character is Jin.
"It doesn't mean that you're Korean, but you're in a marriage where your wife doesn't understand you. You are working your ### off for her father, and she doesn't appreciate your contribution.
"Or you were in the army, and you identify with Sayid, he has a very soldier-like mentality. Or you are a father who doesn't have the kind of relationship with your kid that you would want to have, then you're Michael.
"You are searching for some sense of spirituality in your life, and you're Locke, or you're pregnant and scared to be pregnant ... there is a very wide range of entryways into the show in terms of characters you can identify with."
"That's why we found a mass audience," Cuse says, "because if it was just a genre show, if there wasn't the genius of Damon and J.J.'s flashback invention, it would be a much more limited-audience show. That is the secret of 'Lost.'"
Says Lindelof, "Don't tell."
Crimson Hawk
Axis of Evel
I didn't see the bump yesterday.Double episode tomorrow tonight?
Buckychudd
Footballguy
:(
I saw the article and I was a bit disappointed as well. I hope they are being really honest, i.e. that the fans will build it up so much that there is no way that they can wrap it all up in a nice package.I was always hoping that they had the full story line mapped out, but that depending upon the success of the show, they would fill in the story line along the way, add new characters and their back stories, etc. I am not as sure now, but I still love the show and would be happy if they keep it well written and suspenseful. In my eyes they still haven't done anything that I couldn't accept.
NFL Sunday Ticket
Footballguy
kate is on regis and kelly. kate and kelly ripa on the same screen. i need a moment alone....
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I understand the holiday tv schedule was to blame, but bottom line is they need to go on a run of new shows now and rekindle the interest. None of this air 2 shows and then show 3 reruns. I think with the nature of this show, they need to keep the questions/answers coming.I am a huge fan, but have found myself losing some interest due lack of new shows.
Well that is at least nice. Probably a break soon after those and then another run to close the season. We have seen 9 so far, so probably 13 +/- 2 episodes left. I could see them chunk them together in two parts, one now and one starting in March (?) sweeps. I think TV shows usually end their season right before the summer.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Another bump for tonight....
PC Load Letter
Irregardless.
From my local paper.
Interesting stuff that I haven't bothered to Google.
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Buckychudd
Footballguy
PC put the URL in, but the satellite supposedly orbits the earth once every 108 minutes, which is roughly 14 times a day. I didn't read any further so I have no idea what satellite they are even talking about.Anyway, if we take the producers interviews as fact, this is just a case of people finding things that happen to be the same as the numbers in the show. I won't go into detail as it is earlier in the thread but that interview was in a spoiler, I think.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
From my local paper.
Members of Earth II -- similar to Earth I (our Earth), but occurring within another dimension. The red-costumed Flash was able to "vibrate" between both worlds.
cant wait for tonights episode
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
So we got Mr. Echo helping out a brother/friend in the beginning mixing him with the wrong kind of people. Now we got him knowing about the drugs/Mary statures.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Eko is badass.
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
I dont think its that black and white.How about the shot of the black smoke [the monster]?
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
So Eko was supposed to be in the plane. The plane somehow crashed on the island years ago. Did the crash of Flight 815 make up for the drug plane near miss? 
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
Did those flashes in the black smoke look like photographs of people?
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Well that was odd.
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
Right, but he's clearly done some good things; he isnt just bad.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
That can't be sanitary hugging the carcass.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Eko as a character kicks ###. He has one of the most interesting backgrounds out of them all. Charlie is a good one but does not compare to Eko.I think Mike might be seeing things or is getting a little loony.
