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***Official National Signing Day thread*** (1 Viewer)

In probably the dooshiest quote of the recruiting season, Les Miles says Gunner Kiel "had no chest for the game and couldn't lead a team."

:lmao:
Les is smarting a little bit. He not only lost out on Gunner. But he let the top 4 recruits in LA leave the state.
Gunner's decision to back out was not only about him. Les also lost a early enrollee 4-star Patrick Miller to Auburn to make room for Gunner. Only allowed so many early enrollees. When asked to come next fall instead of the spring, Miller enrolled at Auburn. The comment needed to be said because it's true. However, it shouldn't have been said by Les Miles.
You're saying this based on what? The fact he stayed closer to home because his mom asked him? Because if that's true most recruits aren't fit to lead.But for that decision, the guy would be at LSU. Are we to believe Les knowingly recruits QBs who can't lead? Or is that his fallback position when he's rebuffed?

The only thing we've learned from this is that Les is a child.
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Les was speaking to an angry mob and it was childish. Les Miles knows more than we do about the situation, but he should have never said it. The statement does absolutely nothing for his program but calm an audience like a state of the union address. However, indecision making, letting others make decisions for you (mom or girlfriends), and not following your heart don't seem to be characteristics of a good leader.
His heart was with Indiana and I'm 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% sure it's not good to lead with your heart either. Let's not pretend Les' comments were more than what they were.
Ok.
Thanks! :thumbup:
 
Interesting that Neal, out of Arizona, reportedly tried to sign with OSU, but was refused. OSU must believe that diggs is theirs.
This has disaster written ALL over it. They better have Diggs locked up if they are going to refuse a guy like Neal. A lot of people will be very upset if this happened and we dont get Diggs.
:hey: Although after pulling off what he did over the last couple months, I won't be that upset.

ETA: http://dc.sbnation.com/maryland-terrapins/2012/2/2/2767443/stefon-diggs-ohio-state-football-recruiting-maryland-national-signing-day-2012
Well, keeping the overall class in perspective. Absolutely, in just about 6-7 weeks, Urban has completely destroyed any expectations tOSU fans had. IMO, the uproar would be pretty localized to the situation as a separate issue.
Genuine question....had the expectations really dropped that far? I can understand it with the violations looming, but once they were announced, those expectations didn't go back to where they should have been?
Yea, I didn't get this either. People are surprised Meyer pulled in a top 5 class at osu? Really? The guy is arguably the best recruiter in the country, and osu is second to none in reputation and facilities and such. Kids don't care about not going to a bowl game their freshman year. And being able to basically have 2 coaching staffs recruit at the same time didn't hurt either. What did people think Meyer won with all of Zook's players at Florida? I would of been surprised by anything lower than a top 5 finish.
 
lol at Bilema calling out anyone for lack of respect.ETA: It's also laughable that people are pointing to Urban as the 1st guy to recruit players who have already given a verbal to another Big 10 school. This has happened before.... more than once.
Why is this a problem? You can't sign until February.
The old school guys generally stopped recruiting players once they verbally committed. I'm not saying that's the way it is suppose to be or anything, but that's the way it was. RR came in and upset Purdue (and maybe even Wisky) and now Urban's there shaking things up as well. Recruiting is definitely going to heat up in the B1G going forward. Should be interesting to watch.
Recruits change their minds all of the time for many reasons. Why shouldn't a coach (a new coach especially) test the waters with a recruit? Weren't several of the guys who flipped to OSU in-state? I read where Meyer said he contacted several recruits and asked if their commitments were firm. Some said yes and he backed off, those who said no he made a pitch. Meyer shouldn't be stuck with a class some other guy recruited just because of some outdated "gentleman's agreement."
Agreed. I know Meyer contacted Greg McMullen, an instate DE long committed to Nebraska, right away when he got the job. McMullen told him he was very solid to Nebraska and that was the end of it. But what's Meyer supposed to do when he contacts committed kids and they say they're interested? Ask the the coach of the school they're committed to for permission to take a trip to Columbus? Ridiculous.
 
Interesting that Neal, out of Arizona, reportedly tried to sign with OSU, but was refused. OSU must believe that diggs is theirs.
This has disaster written ALL over it. They better have Diggs locked up if they are going to refuse a guy like Neal. A lot of people will be very upset if this happened and we dont get Diggs.
:hey: Although after pulling off what he did over the last couple months, I won't be that upset.

ETA: http://dc.sbnation.com/maryland-terrapins/2012/2/2/2767443/stefon-diggs-ohio-state-football-recruiting-maryland-national-signing-day-2012
Well, keeping the overall class in perspective. Absolutely, in just about 6-7 weeks, Urban has completely destroyed any expectations tOSU fans had. IMO, the uproar would be pretty localized to the situation as a separate issue.
Genuine question....had the expectations really dropped that far? I can understand it with the violations looming, but once they were announced, those expectations didn't go back to where they should have been?
Yea, I didn't get this either. People are surprised Meyer pulled in a top 5 class at osu? Really? The guy is arguably the best recruiter in the country, and osu is second to none in reputation and facilities and such. Kids don't care about not going to a bowl game their freshman year. And being able to basically have 2 coaching staffs recruit at the same time didn't hurt either. What did people think Meyer won with all of Zook's players at Florida? I would of been surprised by anything lower than a top 5 finish.
Well, no, they didn't have that. Like UCLA, they basically had two "coaching" staffs. One staff (the old staff) coached the team, but could not recruit. The other (Meyer's staff) recruited, but did not coach.
 
Alabama/Arkansas guys....talk to me about Darius Philon. What happened with/to him?
Most reliable sources seem to indicate:- Alabama offered, he committed last fall;- He was injured during his senior year;- Sometime before NSD (some say week prior, some say a few days before), Alabama had a numbers crunch and asked him to grayshirt...enroll next January;- Arkansas got in touch with him (or already had been in touch with him) a few days before NSD;- Philon showed up on NSD not sure what to do. He said he was undecided, put the Bama cap on but didn't sign his LOI, and then faxed his letter to Arkansas at 2:45 that afternoon.Feel bad for the kid, because he was obviously bewildered about having his scholarship pulled by Bama. That said, many are trying to unnecessarily crucify Saban over this. For all we know, the scholarship could have been conditional based on #s or the injury. We'll probably never know all the facts, but I'm just glad he's a Hog.
Unless a coach is telling the kid he's recruiting that his offer can get pulled (after he commits) if he gets hurt, then doing so after he gets injured is highly unethical for obvious reasons.
 
Interesting that Neal, out of Arizona, reportedly tried to sign with OSU, but was refused. OSU must believe that diggs is theirs.
This has disaster written ALL over it. They better have Diggs locked up if they are going to refuse a guy like Neal. A lot of people will be very upset if this happened and we dont get Diggs.
:hey: Although after pulling off what he did over the last couple months, I won't be that upset.

ETA: http://dc.sbnation.com/maryland-terrapins/2012/2/2/2767443/stefon-diggs-ohio-state-football-recruiting-maryland-national-signing-day-2012
Well, keeping the overall class in perspective. Absolutely, in just about 6-7 weeks, Urban has completely destroyed any expectations tOSU fans had. IMO, the uproar would be pretty localized to the situation as a separate issue.
Genuine question....had the expectations really dropped that far? I can understand it with the violations looming, but once they were announced, those expectations didn't go back to where they should have been?
Yea, I didn't get this either. People are surprised Meyer pulled in a top 5 class at osu? Really? The guy is arguably the best recruiter in the country, and osu is second to none in reputation and facilities and such. Kids don't care about not going to a bowl game their freshman year. And being able to basically have 2 coaching staffs recruit at the same time didn't hurt either. What did people think Meyer won with all of Zook's players at Florida? I would of been surprised by anything lower than a top 5 finish.
Well, no, they didn't have that. Like UCLA, they basically had two "coaching" staffs. One staff (the old staff) coached the team, but could not recruit. The other (Meyer's staff) recruited, but did not coach.
I poorly phrased that. My point was that Meyer and his guys could recruit. Which was a significant advantage for them since he didn't have to worry about coaching - his staff was able to focus 100% on recruiting only. This obviously worked out well for UCLA too.
 
I'm sure it's already been said, but half the recruits that Meyer "turned" were Penn State recruits. Did anyone seriously expect all the big time prospects to stay at Penn State after the Sandusky scandal broke? Considering the proximity, it's no surprise they jumped on the Meyer bandwagon.

 
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Strong finish by AU to this year. As of about lunch on National Signing Day it looked to be a disaster. Firming up Louis and then pulling Young and Diamond when just a day or two prior they appeared to be heading other places helps a lot. Should put them an aggregate rank of about 10th. The problem is most of the quality of the class is all offense, especially offensive line, and not much addressed on the defensive side of the ball.

Bama finishing at 1 and Auburn in the top 10 as well, looking good for the next few years.

 
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What were the reasons they stopped recruiting diamond?
There's a strong rumor that he approached the coaches about :moneybag: .
Not sure about OSU, but there were a lot of folks at Mich that wanted him, but I hadn't heard this rumor. I had heard that they had drawn the line with contact a few weeks ago. I figured that was because they had said all they could say at that point and it was up to him.
 
What were the reasons they stopped recruiting diamond?
There's a strong rumor that he approached the coaches about :moneybag: .
Not sure about OSU, but there were a lot of folks at Mich that wanted him, but I hadn't heard this rumor. I had heard that they had drawn the line with contact a few weeks ago. I figured that was because they had said all they could say at that point and it was up to him.
I agree...it was about 50/50 want not want and I couldnt figure out why some didnt want him....guess maybe that is why
 
AU was cleared of any wrong doing, and OSU is on probation, right? Am I remembering that correctly?
100% :thumbup: ETA, this wasn't just poking fun. There is a reason why tOSU and Michigan stopped recruiting him after his visits to each school, and his final 2 were Auburn and Arkansas.
Tell your women to stop eating once in a ####in while.
 
Alabama/Arkansas guys....talk to me about Darius Philon. What happened with/to him?
Most reliable sources seem to indicate:- Alabama offered, he committed last fall;- He was injured during his senior year;- Sometime before NSD (some say week prior, some say a few days before), Alabama had a numbers crunch and asked him to grayshirt...enroll next January;- Arkansas got in touch with him (or already had been in touch with him) a few days before NSD;- Philon showed up on NSD not sure what to do. He said he was undecided, put the Bama cap on but didn't sign his LOI, and then faxed his letter to Arkansas at 2:45 that afternoon.Feel bad for the kid, because he was obviously bewildered about having his scholarship pulled by Bama. That said, many are trying to unnecessarily crucify Saban over this. For all we know, the scholarship could have been conditional based on #s or the injury. We'll probably never know all the facts, but I'm just glad he's a Hog.
Unless a coach is telling the kid he's recruiting that his offer can get pulled (after he commits) if he gets hurt, then doing so after he gets injured is highly unethical for obvious reasons.
I'm just catching up on this story....but why is this unethical?The reports are that Philon has still not had surgery or even had the knee scoped to tell what the severity of the injury is, despite the Alabama staff asking him to do so. And the injury was enough to scare Auburn off, who had the chance to pick Philon's commitment back up after losing it a few months earlier...but didn't re-offer."It's not a big secret that the knee is worse than just a minor deal," said one person in the Mobile area involved in the sports scene. "He also hasn't had any success with any rehab."Alabama offered Philon a chance to play football...but conditional on him getting his knee fixed and working thru a 5 month rehab first.
 
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Alabama/Arkansas guys....talk to me about Darius Philon. What happened with/to him?
Most reliable sources seem to indicate:- Alabama offered, he committed last fall;- He was injured during his senior year;- Sometime before NSD (some say week prior, some say a few days before), Alabama had a numbers crunch and asked him to grayshirt...enroll next January;- Arkansas got in touch with him (or already had been in touch with him) a few days before NSD;- Philon showed up on NSD not sure what to do. He said he was undecided, put the Bama cap on but didn't sign his LOI, and then faxed his letter to Arkansas at 2:45 that afternoon.Feel bad for the kid, because he was obviously bewildered about having his scholarship pulled by Bama. That said, many are trying to unnecessarily crucify Saban over this. For all we know, the scholarship could have been conditional based on #s or the injury. We'll probably never know all the facts, but I'm just glad he's a Hog.
Unless a coach is telling the kid he's recruiting that his offer can get pulled (after he commits) if he gets hurt, then doing so after he gets injured is highly unethical for obvious reasons.
I'm just catching up on this story....but why is this unethical?The reports are that Philon has still not had surgery or even had the knee scoped to tell what the severity of the injury is, despite the Alabama staff asking him to do so. And the injury was enough to scare Auburn off, who had the chance to pick Philon's commitment back up after losing it a few months earlier...but didn't re-offer."It's not a big secret that the knee is worse than just a minor deal," said one person in the Mobile area involved in the sports scene. "He also hasn't had any success with any rehab."Alabama offered Philon a chance to play football...but conditional on him getting his knee fixed and working thru a 5 month rehab first.
Here's the problem, right? We don't know what the discussions were. We have to rely on what the coach said he said vs what the kid said the coaches said. Someone above added that Saban told him they were good as long as he didn't take any more visits and the kid supposedly didn't take any more visits after that. If that's true, I have a problem with it. There's a lot of "if that's the case/true" stuff though. So, if what Ray says above is true plus Saban told him not to visit anywhere else (and doesn't) and the kid gets hurt, what's the right thing to do? At the least, the "talk" should have been had as soon as the injury happened IMO.
 
Alabama/Arkansas guys....talk to me about Darius Philon. What happened with/to him?
Most reliable sources seem to indicate:- Alabama offered, he committed last fall;- He was injured during his senior year;- Sometime before NSD (some say week prior, some say a few days before), Alabama had a numbers crunch and asked him to grayshirt...enroll next January;- Arkansas got in touch with him (or already had been in touch with him) a few days before NSD;- Philon showed up on NSD not sure what to do. He said he was undecided, put the Bama cap on but didn't sign his LOI, and then faxed his letter to Arkansas at 2:45 that afternoon.Feel bad for the kid, because he was obviously bewildered about having his scholarship pulled by Bama. That said, many are trying to unnecessarily crucify Saban over this. For all we know, the scholarship could have been conditional based on #s or the injury. We'll probably never know all the facts, but I'm just glad he's a Hog.
Unless a coach is telling the kid he's recruiting that his offer can get pulled (after he commits) if he gets hurt, then doing so after he gets injured is highly unethical for obvious reasons.
I'm just catching up on this story....but why is this unethical?The reports are that Philon has still not had surgery or even had the knee scoped to tell what the severity of the injury is, despite the Alabama staff asking him to do so. And the injury was enough to scare Auburn off, who had the chance to pick Philon's commitment back up after losing it a few months earlier...but didn't re-offer."It's not a big secret that the knee is worse than just a minor deal," said one person in the Mobile area involved in the sports scene. "He also hasn't had any success with any rehab."Alabama offered Philon a chance to play football...but conditional on him getting his knee fixed and working thru a 5 month rehab first.
Here's the problem, right? We don't know what the discussions were. We have to rely on what the coach said he said vs what the kid said the coaches said. Someone above added that Saban told him they were good as long as he didn't take any more visits and the kid supposedly didn't take any more visits after that. If that's true, I have a problem with it. There's a lot of "if that's the case/true" stuff though. So, if what Ray says above is true plus Saban told him not to visit anywhere else (and doesn't) and the kid gets hurt, what's the right thing to do? At the least, the "talk" should have been had as soon as the injury happened IMO.
It sounds to me like Philon is not doing what Alabama wants him to do....get fixed. So Saban offers him a scholarship he can pick up after he gets fixed....but he has chosen to take one now from Arky instead.
 
Alabama/Arkansas guys....talk to me about Darius Philon. What happened with/to him?
Most reliable sources seem to indicate:- Alabama offered, he committed last fall;- He was injured during his senior year;- Sometime before NSD (some say week prior, some say a few days before), Alabama had a numbers crunch and asked him to grayshirt...enroll next January;- Arkansas got in touch with him (or already had been in touch with him) a few days before NSD;- Philon showed up on NSD not sure what to do. He said he was undecided, put the Bama cap on but didn't sign his LOI, and then faxed his letter to Arkansas at 2:45 that afternoon.Feel bad for the kid, because he was obviously bewildered about having his scholarship pulled by Bama. That said, many are trying to unnecessarily crucify Saban over this. For all we know, the scholarship could have been conditional based on #s or the injury. We'll probably never know all the facts, but I'm just glad he's a Hog.
Unless a coach is telling the kid he's recruiting that his offer can get pulled (after he commits) if he gets hurt, then doing so after he gets injured is highly unethical for obvious reasons.
I'm just catching up on this story....but why is this unethical?The reports are that Philon has still not had surgery or even had the knee scoped to tell what the severity of the injury is, despite the Alabama staff asking him to do so. And the injury was enough to scare Auburn off, who had the chance to pick Philon's commitment back up after losing it a few months earlier...but didn't re-offer."It's not a big secret that the knee is worse than just a minor deal," said one person in the Mobile area involved in the sports scene. "He also hasn't had any success with any rehab."Alabama offered Philon a chance to play football...but conditional on him getting his knee fixed and working thru a 5 month rehab first.
Here's the problem, right? We don't know what the discussions were. We have to rely on what the coach said he said vs what the kid said the coaches said. Someone above added that Saban told him they were good as long as he didn't take any more visits and the kid supposedly didn't take any more visits after that. If that's true, I have a problem with it. There's a lot of "if that's the case/true" stuff though. So, if what Ray says above is true plus Saban told him not to visit anywhere else (and doesn't) and the kid gets hurt, what's the right thing to do? At the least, the "talk" should have been had as soon as the injury happened IMO.
It sounds to me like Philon is not doing what Alabama wants him to do....get fixed. So Saban offers him a scholarship he can pick up after he gets fixed....but he has chosen to take one now from Arky instead.
That's one story. The other is the kid's. We'll never know the truth. Best any coach can do is avoid this stuff completely.
 
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AU was cleared of any wrong doing, and OSU is on probation, right? Am I remembering that correctly?
100% :thumbup: ETA, this wasn't just poking fun. There is a reason why tOSU and Michigan stopped recruiting him after his visits to each school, and his final 2 were Auburn and Arkansas.
I seriously doubt Urban Meyer would stop recruiting a top 5 player at any position short of him being imprisoned at the time. Unless he's turned over a new leaf from his SEC days, and I don't believe that's happened, he just lost out on this one. For the record, if you're an OSU fan you don't want that to happen either. He's the kind of recruiter and coach OSU needs to get back to the top and I believe he will. I still think OSU is the favorite to land Diggs.
 
That's one story. The other is the kid's.
If the questions about how he's managing his injury were not real, then wouldn't Auburn have re-offered him?“They still had two scholarships left when the word about Philon came out, they are trying to sign every defensive lineman they can find and they don’t make an offer to someone who committed to them first?” said one former Auburn player still close to the program. “Loyalty doesn’t come in at that point, regardless of what you think about Alabama or Auburn. The Tigers need defensive linemen. They knew the knee wasn’t going to be ready to go and there are questions that he can get into school.”You're right....we don't know...but you have to question the way he's being handled. He plays thru the playoffs after the injury, and now the story comes out about him not even having a doctor look at it yet.
 
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Alabama/Arkansas guys....talk to me about Darius Philon. What happened with/to him?
Most reliable sources seem to indicate:- Alabama offered, he committed last fall;- He was injured during his senior year;- Sometime before NSD (some say week prior, some say a few days before), Alabama had a numbers crunch and asked him to grayshirt...enroll next January;- Arkansas got in touch with him (or already had been in touch with him) a few days before NSD;- Philon showed up on NSD not sure what to do. He said he was undecided, put the Bama cap on but didn't sign his LOI, and then faxed his letter to Arkansas at 2:45 that afternoon.Feel bad for the kid, because he was obviously bewildered about having his scholarship pulled by Bama. That said, many are trying to unnecessarily crucify Saban over this. For all we know, the scholarship could have been conditional based on #s or the injury. We'll probably never know all the facts, but I'm just glad he's a Hog.
Unless a coach is telling the kid he's recruiting that his offer can get pulled (after he commits) if he gets hurt, then doing so after he gets injured is highly unethical for obvious reasons.
I'm just catching up on this story....but why is this unethical?The reports are that Philon has still not had surgery or even had the knee scoped to tell what the severity of the injury is, despite the Alabama staff asking him to do so. And the injury was enough to scare Auburn off, who had the chance to pick Philon's commitment back up after losing it a few months earlier...but didn't re-offer."It's not a big secret that the knee is worse than just a minor deal," said one person in the Mobile area involved in the sports scene. "He also hasn't had any success with any rehab."Alabama offered Philon a chance to play football...but conditional on him getting his knee fixed and working thru a 5 month rehab first.
Here's the problem, right? We don't know what the discussions were. We have to rely on what the coach said he said vs what the kid said the coaches said. Someone above added that Saban told him they were good as long as he didn't take any more visits and the kid supposedly didn't take any more visits after that. If that's true, I have a problem with it. There's a lot of "if that's the case/true" stuff though. So, if what Ray says above is true plus Saban told him not to visit anywhere else (and doesn't) and the kid gets hurt, what's the right thing to do? At the least, the "talk" should have been had as soon as the injury happened IMO.
It sounds to me like Philon is not doing what Alabama wants him to do....get fixed. So Saban offers him a scholarship he can pick up after he gets fixed....but he has chosen to take one now from Arky instead.
That's one story. The other is the kid's. We'll never know the truth. Best any coach can do is avoid this stuff completely.
I guess it depends on how badly you want to win. Nick Saban is paid to win games, period. He does that, and he does it with ruthless efficiency. He doesn't make all those millions to be a nice guy or someone that makes others feel all warm and fuzzy. Nobody should blame Nick Saban for that, these are the rules that are set forth to play by. College football has become big business and for the most part coaches are evaluated more like NFL coaches than ever before, the bottom line of wins and losses. The facts remain Alabama had better players than Philon and Taylor commit to them and no longer had room in this class for them. They did offer the players grayshirts, and the players declined. There have been other instances just this signing period of players statuses changing based on class numbers. OT Patrick Miller ended up at Auburn rather than LSU when LSU didn't have a slot for him to early enroll as they had agreed to. That literally happened when he went to enroll. Things change and LSU had a player who failed to graduate when he was expected to and rather than pay his own way the first semester Miller moved on to Auburn. In Philon's case this was unfortunate as it appears he wanted all along to go to Alabama and be it the injury or the early morning commitment from Korren Kirven, in the end Kirven essentially filled that spot. T.J. Yeldon essentially filled Taylor's spot, which was the other high profile player that was offered a grayshirt from Alabama. Rumor had it that on signing day Philon reached out to several SEC programs and of those contacted only Auburn and LSU refused to have interest. A teammate of his had committed to Arkansas, who themselves had lost out on several recruiting battles so they had spots open. My guess is he chose Arkansas based on the fact he had a teammate heading there and he had spoken with him about the coaches. Philon hasn't even visited Fayetteville so I hope this works out for him.
 
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'gump said:
'The Commish said:
'gump said:
Alabama/Arkansas guys....talk to me about Darius Philon. What happened with/to him?
Most reliable sources seem to indicate:- Alabama offered, he committed last fall;- He was injured during his senior year;- Sometime before NSD (some say week prior, some say a few days before), Alabama had a numbers crunch and asked him to grayshirt...enroll next January;- Arkansas got in touch with him (or already had been in touch with him) a few days before NSD;- Philon showed up on NSD not sure what to do. He said he was undecided, put the Bama cap on but didn't sign his LOI, and then faxed his letter to Arkansas at 2:45 that afternoon.Feel bad for the kid, because he was obviously bewildered about having his scholarship pulled by Bama. That said, many are trying to unnecessarily crucify Saban over this. For all we know, the scholarship could have been conditional based on #s or the injury. We'll probably never know all the facts, but I'm just glad he's a Hog.
Unless a coach is telling the kid he's recruiting that his offer can get pulled (after he commits) if he gets hurt, then doing so after he gets injured is highly unethical for obvious reasons.
I'm just catching up on this story....but why is this unethical?The reports are that Philon has still not had surgery or even had the knee scoped to tell what the severity of the injury is, despite the Alabama staff asking him to do so. And the injury was enough to scare Auburn off, who had the chance to pick Philon's commitment back up after losing it a few months earlier...but didn't re-offer."It's not a big secret that the knee is worse than just a minor deal," said one person in the Mobile area involved in the sports scene. "He also hasn't had any success with any rehab."Alabama offered Philon a chance to play football...but conditional on him getting his knee fixed and working thru a 5 month rehab first.
Here's the problem, right? We don't know what the discussions were. We have to rely on what the coach said he said vs what the kid said the coaches said. Someone above added that Saban told him they were good as long as he didn't take any more visits and the kid supposedly didn't take any more visits after that. If that's true, I have a problem with it. There's a lot of "if that's the case/true" stuff though. So, if what Ray says above is true plus Saban told him not to visit anywhere else (and doesn't) and the kid gets hurt, what's the right thing to do? At the least, the "talk" should have been had as soon as the injury happened IMO.
It sounds to me like Philon is not doing what Alabama wants him to do....get fixed. So Saban offers him a scholarship he can pick up after he gets fixed....but he has chosen to take one now from Arky instead.
That's one story. The other is the kid's. We'll never know the truth. Best any coach can do is avoid this stuff completely.
I guess it depends on how badly you want to win. Nick Saban is paid to win games, period. He does that, and he does it with ruthless efficiency. He doesn't make all those millions to be a nice guy or someone that makes others feel all warm and fuzzy. Nobody should blame Nick Saban for that, these are the rules that are set forth to play by. College football has become big business and for the most part coaches are evaluated more like NFL coaches than ever before, the bottom line of wins and losses. The facts remain Alabama had better players than Philon and Taylor commit to them and no longer had room in this class for them. They did offer the players grayshirts, and the players declined. There have been other instances just this signing period of players statuses changing based on class numbers. OT Patrick Miller ended up at Auburn rather than LSU when LSU didn't have a slot for him to early enroll as they had agreed to. That literally happened when he went to enroll. Things change and LSU had a player who failed to graduate when he was expected to and rather than pay his own way the first semester Miller moved on to Auburn. In Philon's case this was unfortunate as it appears he wanted all along to go to Alabama and be it the injury or the early morning commitment from Korren Kirven, in the end Kirven essentially filled that spot. T.J. Yeldon essentially filled Taylor's spot, which was the other high profile player that was offered a grayshirt from Alabama. Rumor had it that on signing day Philon reached out to several SEC programs and of those contacted only Auburn and LSU refused to have interest. A teammate of his had committed to Arkansas, who themselves had lost out on several recruiting battles so they had spots open. My guess is he chose Arkansas based on the fact he had a teammate heading there and he had spoken with him about the coaches. Philon hasn't even visited Fayetteville so I hope this works out for him.
I don't disagree that this is how things are. It doesn't make it right though.
 
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'gump said:
Alabama/Arkansas guys....talk to me about Darius Philon. What happened with/to him?
Most reliable sources seem to indicate:- Alabama offered, he committed last fall;- He was injured during his senior year;- Sometime before NSD (some say week prior, some say a few days before), Alabama had a numbers crunch and asked him to grayshirt...enroll next January;- Arkansas got in touch with him (or already had been in touch with him) a few days before NSD;- Philon showed up on NSD not sure what to do. He said he was undecided, put the Bama cap on but didn't sign his LOI, and then faxed his letter to Arkansas at 2:45 that afternoon.Feel bad for the kid, because he was obviously bewildered about having his scholarship pulled by Bama. That said, many are trying to unnecessarily crucify Saban over this. For all we know, the scholarship could have been conditional based on #s or the injury. We'll probably never know all the facts, but I'm just glad he's a Hog.
Unless a coach is telling the kid he's recruiting that his offer can get pulled (after he commits) if he gets hurt, then doing so after he gets injured is highly unethical for obvious reasons.
I'm just catching up on this story....but why is this unethical?The reports are that Philon has still not had surgery or even had the knee scoped to tell what the severity of the injury is, despite the Alabama staff asking him to do so. And the injury was enough to scare Auburn off, who had the chance to pick Philon's commitment back up after losing it a few months earlier...but didn't re-offer."It's not a big secret that the knee is worse than just a minor deal," said one person in the Mobile area involved in the sports scene. "He also hasn't had any success with any rehab."Alabama offered Philon a chance to play football...but conditional on him getting his knee fixed and working thru a 5 month rehab first.
Here's the problem, right? We don't know what the discussions were. We have to rely on what the coach said he said vs what the kid said the coaches said. Someone above added that Saban told him they were good as long as he didn't take any more visits and the kid supposedly didn't take any more visits after that. If that's true, I have a problem with it. There's a lot of "if that's the case/true" stuff though. So, if what Ray says above is true plus Saban told him not to visit anywhere else (and doesn't) and the kid gets hurt, what's the right thing to do? At the least, the "talk" should have been had as soon as the injury happened IMO.
It sounds to me like Philon is not doing what Alabama wants him to do....get fixed. So Saban offers him a scholarship he can pick up after he gets fixed....but he has chosen to take one now from Arky instead.
That's one story. The other is the kid's. We'll never know the truth. Best any coach can do is avoid this stuff completely.
I guess it depends on how badly you want to win. Nick Saban is paid to win games, period. He does that, and he does it with ruthless efficiency. He doesn't make all those millions to be a nice guy or someone that makes others feel all warm and fuzzy. Nobody should blame Nick Saban for that, these are the rules that are set forth to play by. College football has become big business and for the most part coaches are evaluated more like NFL coaches than ever before, the bottom line of wins and losses. The facts remain Alabama had better players than Philon and Taylor commit to them and no longer had room in this class for them. They did offer the players grayshirts, and the players declined. There have been other instances just this signing period of players statuses changing based on class numbers. OT Patrick Miller ended up at Auburn rather than LSU when LSU didn't have a slot for him to early enroll as they had agreed to. That literally happened when he went to enroll. Things change and LSU had a player who failed to graduate when he was expected to and rather than pay his own way the first semester Miller moved on to Auburn. In Philon's case this was unfortunate as it appears he wanted all along to go to Alabama and be it the injury or the early morning commitment from Korren Kirven, in the end Kirven essentially filled that spot. T.J. Yeldon essentially filled Taylor's spot, which was the other high profile player that was offered a grayshirt from Alabama. Rumor had it that on signing day Philon reached out to several SEC programs and of those contacted only Auburn and LSU refused to have interest. A teammate of his had committed to Arkansas, who themselves had lost out on several recruiting battles so they had spots open. My guess is he chose Arkansas based on the fact he had a teammate heading there and he had spoken with him about the coaches. Philon hasn't even visited Fayetteville so I hope this works out for him.
I don't disagree that this is how things are. It doesn't make it right though.
It will be this way unless colleges change their priorities though. Given what a revenue driver having a winning football team is I don't see what would cause anything to change. I'm not saying it should or shouldn't change but that is reality. The public in general just wants to win, to feel that they are a part of a winner. To feel a part of it, they will spend a huge amount of money on tickets, shirts, hats, etc. Nick Saban is the perfect example. When he was hired, there was a huge budget crisis in the state and there were complaints about a football coach being paid that kind of money. Nick Saban has given Alabama more return on their investment though than anything else could have. They went up enough on ticket prices in year one (2007) due to the excitement to cover his salary. On top of that, consider the extra merchandise Alabama has sold over that time. It's hard to put an exact total on it but while it is a given today that Alabama will sell 101,000 tickets to each and every home game, prior to his arrival it wasn't even guaranteed they would sell the stadium out. Keep in mind that Alabama has added two additional end zone upper decks over that time. I don't recall exactly but I think it's in the range of 20,000 extra seats. Even if you just say he's filling those seats, and assume all the other seats would have been sold with another coach, at an average of $65/game for 7 games that comes to $9.1MM/year. Granted, you have the construction cost of the stadium expansion but filling those seats ensures you can pay for it and have the long term benefit of a top notch facility and capacity to continue to sell more seats.From a financial impact I don't see any way that having Saban and the program be where it has been over the past 5 years hasn't benefitted Alabama to the tune of $10MM/year. Again, not saying the scholarship situations are right or wrong but while everyone may feel bad for Darius Philon, etc. I don't think anyone at the University feels bad enough to fork over that revenue. Keep in mind as well, aside from the money aspect this is in a state where people would rather you spit on their child than talk bad about the team they affiliate with, so winning is pretty much the priority.
 
'The Commish said:
'gump said:
'The Commish said:
'gump said:
Alabama/Arkansas guys....talk to me about Darius Philon. What happened with/to him?
Most reliable sources seem to indicate:- Alabama offered, he committed last fall;- He was injured during his senior year;- Sometime before NSD (some say week prior, some say a few days before), Alabama had a numbers crunch and asked him to grayshirt...enroll next January;- Arkansas got in touch with him (or already had been in touch with him) a few days before NSD;- Philon showed up on NSD not sure what to do. He said he was undecided, put the Bama cap on but didn't sign his LOI, and then faxed his letter to Arkansas at 2:45 that afternoon.Feel bad for the kid, because he was obviously bewildered about having his scholarship pulled by Bama. That said, many are trying to unnecessarily crucify Saban over this. For all we know, the scholarship could have been conditional based on #s or the injury. We'll probably never know all the facts, but I'm just glad he's a Hog.
Unless a coach is telling the kid he's recruiting that his offer can get pulled (after he commits) if he gets hurt, then doing so after he gets injured is highly unethical for obvious reasons.
I'm just catching up on this story....but why is this unethical?The reports are that Philon has still not had surgery or even had the knee scoped to tell what the severity of the injury is, despite the Alabama staff asking him to do so. And the injury was enough to scare Auburn off, who had the chance to pick Philon's commitment back up after losing it a few months earlier...but didn't re-offer."It's not a big secret that the knee is worse than just a minor deal," said one person in the Mobile area involved in the sports scene. "He also hasn't had any success with any rehab."Alabama offered Philon a chance to play football...but conditional on him getting his knee fixed and working thru a 5 month rehab first.
Here's the problem, right? We don't know what the discussions were. We have to rely on what the coach said he said vs what the kid said the coaches said. Someone above added that Saban told him they were good as long as he didn't take any more visits and the kid supposedly didn't take any more visits after that. If that's true, I have a problem with it. There's a lot of "if that's the case/true" stuff though. So, if what Ray says above is true plus Saban told him not to visit anywhere else (and doesn't) and the kid gets hurt, what's the right thing to do? At the least, the "talk" should have been had as soon as the injury happened IMO.
It sounds to me like Philon is not doing what Alabama wants him to do....get fixed. So Saban offers him a scholarship he can pick up after he gets fixed....but he has chosen to take one now from Arky instead.
That's one story. The other is the kid's. We'll never know the truth. Best any coach can do is avoid this stuff completely.
I guess it depends on how badly you want to win. Nick Saban is paid to win games, period. He does that, and he does it with ruthless efficiency. He doesn't make all those millions to be a nice guy or someone that makes others feel all warm and fuzzy. Nobody should blame Nick Saban for that, these are the rules that are set forth to play by. College football has become big business and for the most part coaches are evaluated more like NFL coaches than ever before, the bottom line of wins and losses. The facts remain Alabama had better players than Philon and Taylor commit to them and no longer had room in this class for them. They did offer the players grayshirts, and the players declined. There have been other instances just this signing period of players statuses changing based on class numbers. OT Patrick Miller ended up at Auburn rather than LSU when LSU didn't have a slot for him to early enroll as they had agreed to. That literally happened when he went to enroll. Things change and LSU had a player who failed to graduate when he was expected to and rather than pay his own way the first semester Miller moved on to Auburn. In Philon's case this was unfortunate as it appears he wanted all along to go to Alabama and be it the injury or the early morning commitment from Korren Kirven, in the end Kirven essentially filled that spot. T.J. Yeldon essentially filled Taylor's spot, which was the other high profile player that was offered a grayshirt from Alabama. Rumor had it that on signing day Philon reached out to several SEC programs and of those contacted only Auburn and LSU refused to have interest. A teammate of his had committed to Arkansas, who themselves had lost out on several recruiting battles so they had spots open. My guess is he chose Arkansas based on the fact he had a teammate heading there and he had spoken with him about the coaches. Philon hasn't even visited Fayetteville so I hope this works out for him.
I don't disagree that this is how things are. It doesn't make it right though.
It will be this way unless colleges change their priorities though. Given what a revenue driver having a winning football team is I don't see what would cause anything to change. I'm not saying it should or shouldn't change but that is reality. The public in general just wants to win, to feel that they are a part of a winner. To feel a part of it, they will spend a huge amount of money on tickets, shirts, hats, etc. Nick Saban is the perfect example. When he was hired, there was a huge budget crisis in the state and there were complaints about a football coach being paid that kind of money. Nick Saban has given Alabama more return on their investment though than anything else could have. They went up enough on ticket prices in year one (2007) due to the excitement to cover his salary. On top of that, consider the extra merchandise Alabama has sold over that time. It's hard to put an exact total on it but while it is a given today that Alabama will sell 101,000 tickets to each and every home game, prior to his arrival it wasn't even guaranteed they would sell the stadium out. Keep in mind that Alabama has added two additional end zone upper decks over that time. I don't recall exactly but I think it's in the range of 20,000 extra seats. Even if you just say he's filling those seats, and assume all the other seats would have been sold with another coach, at an average of $65/game for 7 games that comes to $9.1MM/year. Granted, you have the construction cost of the stadium expansion but filling those seats ensures you can pay for it and have the long term benefit of a top notch facility and capacity to continue to sell more seats.From a financial impact I don't see any way that having Saban and the program be where it has been over the past 5 years hasn't benefitted Alabama to the tune of $10MM/year. Again, not saying the scholarship situations are right or wrong but while everyone may feel bad for Darius Philon, etc. I don't think anyone at the University feels bad enough to fork over that revenue. Keep in mind as well, aside from the money aspect this is in a state where people would rather you spit on their child than talk bad about the team they affiliate with, so winning is pretty much the priority.
Of course they don't feel bad. If they did something would have been done about it the first time it supposedly happened. The problems run deep and don't stop with the coaches. It's a systemic problem and a VERY large one.
 
Interesting that Neal, out of Arizona, reportedly tried to sign with OSU, but was refused. OSU must believe that diggs is theirs.
Rumblings that OU has moved up in the Davonte Neal race.
Not accurate according to daddy Neal.
Specificity please. Not accurate that he tried to sign with OSU or that OU is now in the hunt? Because what I've seen says it's now down to OU or Arizona.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/02/davonte-neal-commitment-ohio-state-oklahoma/1
 
What's the general consensus on the four year scholarship that seems to be picking up steam? I think it's a pretty cool thing to be doing and I say bravo to the schools doing it.

 
What's the general consensus on the four year scholarship that seems to be picking up steam? I think it's a pretty cool thing to be doing and I say bravo to the schools doing it.
Haven't followed much lately but is the NCAA thinking of mandating all scholarships be 4 years so the "factories" can't cut players after a year or two? That would be awesome and help balance things out some.
 
What's the general consensus on the four year scholarship that seems to be picking up steam? I think it's a pretty cool thing to be doing and I say bravo to the schools doing it.
Haven't followed much lately but is the NCAA thinking of mandating all scholarships be 4 years so the "factories" can't cut players after a year or two? That would be awesome and help balance things out some.
I'm not sure the NCAA has the spine to do something like this. Personally, I think it should be the rule, and have thought so for a long time. Where I heard about it was on some B1G message boards, then I saw this on espn.
 
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I had no idea that ESPN launched some school-specific sites.
 
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'gump said:
'The Commish said:
That's one story. The other is the kid's.
If the questions about how he's managing his injury were not real, then wouldn't Auburn have re-offered him?“They still had two scholarships left when the word about Philon came out, they are trying to sign every defensive lineman they can find and they don’t make an offer to someone who committed to them first?” said one former Auburn player still close to the program. “Loyalty doesn’t come in at that point, regardless of what you think about Alabama or Auburn. The Tigers need defensive linemen. They knew the knee wasn’t going to be ready to go and there are questions that he can get into school.”

You're right....we don't know...but you have to question the way he's being handled. He plays thru the playoffs after the injury, and now the story comes out about him not even having a doctor look at it yet.
And folks at the school, including the coach saying he had surgery in Dec.Link

Two days after Philon donned an Alabama cap during an emotional and confusing signing day ceremony, only to sign with Arkansas later in the day, a 247Hogs.com report on Friday claimed that the Vigor defensive lineman's knee injury is worse than initially feared and that he hasn't yet had surgery.

Multiple sources at Vigor, including head coach Kerry Stevenson, have said Philon had surgery for a torn meniscus in December.

One of those sources told me this weekend that Philon should be ready to go for fall drills.
 
http://www.awfulanno...recruiting.html

For The Worldwide Leader, the fact that the overwhelming majority of this web activity takes place externally, and in most cases under the banner of their closest competitors, can most likely be classified as ESPN's biggest business shortfall. In fact, in more than a decade of this industry, ESPN has failed every step of the way to capitalize on this massive industry.
I had no idea that ESPN launched some school-specific sites.
I am kinda surprised that Alabama/LSU are on this list:
Half a year later, the initiative seems to be stuck at 7 sites:

Florida, Michigan, Georgia, LSU, Alabama, USC, Texas, and Oklahoma.

If you're a fan of any of these schools and have no idea what I'm talking about, you're not alone. The majority of these sites are essentially digital ghost towns with no article comments and message boards that haven't been posted on in weeks, and in some cases months as seen below...
I think the main driver here is information. ESPN is good at their spin and whatever. Everyone knows they love the SEC and apparently it's to a fault. I don't know many, if any folks that put credence in the ESPN rankings. Seems to me most think rivals and scouts are a lot better with a lot less bias. Since you got me following recruiting a bit more, I'll go to espn to see the lists of commitments, offers etc, but I put little stock in what they say about the kids. There are a ton of places out there that give more useful information that you don't have to pay for. IMO, if espn wants to be the leader, they should probably open their doors up a bit and lay off the "OMG it's the SEC!!!" shtick a little bit.
 
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http://www.awfulanno...recruiting.html

For The Worldwide Leader, the fact that the overwhelming majority of this web activity takes place externally, and in most cases under the banner of their closest competitors, can most likely be classified as ESPN's biggest business shortfall. In fact, in more than a decade of this industry, ESPN has failed every step of the way to capitalize on this massive industry.
I had no idea that ESPN launched some school-specific sites.
I am kinda surprised that Alabama/LSU are on this list:
Half a year later, the initiative seems to be stuck at 7 sites:

Florida, Michigan, Georgia, LSU, Alabama, USC, Texas, and Oklahoma.

If you're a fan of any of these schools and have no idea what I'm talking about, you're not alone. The majority of these sites are essentially digital ghost towns with no article comments and message boards that haven't been posted on in weeks, and in some cases months as seen below...
I think the main driver here is information. ESPN is good at their spin and whatever. Everyone knows they love the SEC and apparently it's to a fault. I don't know many, if any folks that put credence in the ESPN rankings. Seems to me most think rivals and scouts are a lot better with a lot less bias. Since you got me following recruiting a bit more, I'll go to espn to see the lists of commitments, offers etc, but I put little stock in what they say about the kids. There are a ton of places out there that give more useful information that you don't have to pay for. IMO, if espn wants to be the leader, they should probably open their doors up a bit and lay off the "OMG it's the SEC!!!" shtick a little bit.
When you ask Rivals and 24/7 founder Shannon Terry about ESPN, he points to their rankings being slanted to who plays in their All Star game. They are apparently talking about expanding their team-specific offering to 25 schools....but I wonder if just buying 24/7 is an option.
 
http://www.awfulanno...recruiting.html

For The Worldwide Leader, the fact that the overwhelming majority of this web activity takes place externally, and in most cases under the banner of their closest competitors, can most likely be classified as ESPN's biggest business shortfall. In fact, in more than a decade of this industry, ESPN has failed every step of the way to capitalize on this massive industry.
I had no idea that ESPN launched some school-specific sites.
I am kinda surprised that Alabama/LSU are on this list:
Half a year later, the initiative seems to be stuck at 7 sites:

Florida, Michigan, Georgia, LSU, Alabama, USC, Texas, and Oklahoma.

If you're a fan of any of these schools and have no idea what I'm talking about, you're not alone. The majority of these sites are essentially digital ghost towns with no article comments and message boards that haven't been posted on in weeks, and in some cases months as seen below...
I think the main driver here is information. ESPN is good at their spin and whatever. Everyone knows they love the SEC and apparently it's to a fault. I don't know many, if any folks that put credence in the ESPN rankings. Seems to me most think rivals and scouts are a lot better with a lot less bias. Since you got me following recruiting a bit more, I'll go to espn to see the lists of commitments, offers etc, but I put little stock in what they say about the kids. There are a ton of places out there that give more useful information that you don't have to pay for. IMO, if espn wants to be the leader, they should probably open their doors up a bit and lay off the "OMG it's the SEC!!!" shtick a little bit.
When you ask Rivals and 24/7 founder Shannon Terry about ESPN, he points to their rankings being slanted to who plays in their All Star game. They are apparently talking about expanding their team-specific offering to 25 schools....but I wonder if just buying 24/7 is an option.
247 is worse than espn imo. They can expand their team specific sites I guess, but they need to make them free for a period of time. Why go to espn and pay for something you can get elsewhere for free. The reasons rivals and scouts can charge now is because they established credibility early on. Do folks think ESPN is much more than an SEC sounding board at the moment? They need to get rid of that before they will be successful at this recruiting thing.
 
http://www.awfulanno...recruiting.html

For The Worldwide Leader, the fact that the overwhelming majority of this web activity takes place externally, and in most cases under the banner of their closest competitors, can most likely be classified as ESPN's biggest business shortfall. In fact, in more than a decade of this industry, ESPN has failed every step of the way to capitalize on this massive industry.
I had no idea that ESPN launched some school-specific sites.
I am kinda surprised that Alabama/LSU are on this list:
Half a year later, the initiative seems to be stuck at 7 sites:

Florida, Michigan, Georgia, LSU, Alabama, USC, Texas, and Oklahoma.

If you're a fan of any of these schools and have no idea what I'm talking about, you're not alone. The majority of these sites are essentially digital ghost towns with no article comments and message boards that haven't been posted on in weeks, and in some cases months as seen below...
I think the main driver here is information. ESPN is good at their spin and whatever. Everyone knows they love the SEC and apparently it's to a fault. I don't know many, if any folks that put credence in the ESPN rankings. Seems to me most think rivals and scouts are a lot better with a lot less bias. Since you got me following recruiting a bit more, I'll go to espn to see the lists of commitments, offers etc, but I put little stock in what they say about the kids. There are a ton of places out there that give more useful information that you don't have to pay for. IMO, if espn wants to be the leader, they should probably open their doors up a bit and lay off the "OMG it's the SEC!!!" shtick a little bit.
When you ask Rivals and 24/7 founder Shannon Terry about ESPN, he points to their rankings being slanted to who plays in their All Star game. They are apparently talking about expanding their team-specific offering to 25 schools....but I wonder if just buying 24/7 is an option.
247 is worse than espn imo. They can expand their team specific sites I guess, but they need to make them free for a period of time. Why go to espn and pay for something you can get elsewhere for free. The reasons rivals and scouts can charge now is because they established credibility early on. Do folks think ESPN is much more than an SEC sounding board at the moment? They need to get rid of that before they will be successful at this recruiting thing.
What do you mean on the bolded...as far as being biased? I disagree if so....they use the same rankings systems that built Rivals...and brought a lot of the same talent over from Rivals. Having moved over myself, it seems the same to me....just a smaller version.
 
http://www.awfulanno...recruiting.html

For The Worldwide Leader, the fact that the overwhelming majority of this web activity takes place externally, and in most cases under the banner of their closest competitors, can most likely be classified as ESPN's biggest business shortfall. In fact, in more than a decade of this industry, ESPN has failed every step of the way to capitalize on this massive industry.
I had no idea that ESPN launched some school-specific sites.
I am kinda surprised that Alabama/LSU are on this list:
Half a year later, the initiative seems to be stuck at 7 sites:

Florida, Michigan, Georgia, LSU, Alabama, USC, Texas, and Oklahoma.

If you're a fan of any of these schools and have no idea what I'm talking about, you're not alone. The majority of these sites are essentially digital ghost towns with no article comments and message boards that haven't been posted on in weeks, and in some cases months as seen below...
I think the main driver here is information. ESPN is good at their spin and whatever. Everyone knows they love the SEC and apparently it's to a fault. I don't know many, if any folks that put credence in the ESPN rankings. Seems to me most think rivals and scouts are a lot better with a lot less bias. Since you got me following recruiting a bit more, I'll go to espn to see the lists of commitments, offers etc, but I put little stock in what they say about the kids. There are a ton of places out there that give more useful information that you don't have to pay for. IMO, if espn wants to be the leader, they should probably open their doors up a bit and lay off the "OMG it's the SEC!!!" shtick a little bit.
When you ask Rivals and 24/7 founder Shannon Terry about ESPN, he points to their rankings being slanted to who plays in their All Star game. They are apparently talking about expanding their team-specific offering to 25 schools....but I wonder if just buying 24/7 is an option.
247 is worse than espn imo. They can expand their team specific sites I guess, but they need to make them free for a period of time. Why go to espn and pay for something you can get elsewhere for free. The reasons rivals and scouts can charge now is because they established credibility early on. Do folks think ESPN is much more than an SEC sounding board at the moment? They need to get rid of that before they will be successful at this recruiting thing.
What do you mean on the bolded...as far as being biased? I disagree if so....they use the same rankings systems that built Rivals...and brought a lot of the same talent over from Rivals. Having moved over myself, it seems the same to me....just a smaller version.
They seem to be in their infancy stage. I didn't know this about them though...good to know. They seem behind on news and events as well. Though, I will say my assessment probably isn't very fair as I spend little time on their page because I can get the info faster elsewhere so I could be completely wrong.
 
'gump said:
'The Commish said:
That's one story. The other is the kid's.
If the questions about how he's managing his injury were not real, then wouldn't Auburn have re-offered him?"They still had two scholarships left when the word about Philon came out, they are trying to sign every defensive lineman they can find and they don't make an offer to someone who committed to them first?" said one former Auburn player still close to the program. "Loyalty doesn't come in at that point, regardless of what you think about Alabama or Auburn. The Tigers need defensive linemen. They knew the knee wasn't going to be ready to go and there are questions that he can get into school."

You're right....we don't know...but you have to question the way he's being handled. He plays thru the playoffs after the injury, and now the story comes out about him not even having a doctor look at it yet.
And folks at the school, including the coach saying he had surgery in Dec.Link

Two days after Philon donned an Alabama cap during an emotional and confusing signing day ceremony, only to sign with Arkansas later in the day, a 247Hogs.com report on Friday claimed that the Vigor defensive lineman's knee injury is worse than initially feared and that he hasn't yet had surgery.

Multiple sources at Vigor, including head coach Kerry Stevenson, have said Philon had surgery for a torn meniscus in December.

One of those sources told me this weekend that Philon should be ready to go for fall drills.
Yea....saw that. Why is it so hard to confim or not confirm a surgery? Strange story. But Auburn backing off still raises a big red flag imo.
 
http://www.awfulanno...recruiting.html

For The Worldwide Leader, the fact that the overwhelming majority of this web activity takes place externally, and in most cases under the banner of their closest competitors, can most likely be classified as ESPN's biggest business shortfall. In fact, in more than a decade of this industry, ESPN has failed every step of the way to capitalize on this massive industry.
I had no idea that ESPN launched some school-specific sites.
I am kinda surprised that Alabama/LSU are on this list:
Half a year later, the initiative seems to be stuck at 7 sites:

Florida, Michigan, Georgia, LSU, Alabama, USC, Texas, and Oklahoma.

If you're a fan of any of these schools and have no idea what I'm talking about, you're not alone. The majority of these sites are essentially digital ghost towns with no article comments and message boards that haven't been posted on in weeks, and in some cases months as seen below...
I think the main driver here is information. ESPN is good at their spin and whatever. Everyone knows they love the SEC and apparently it's to a fault. I don't know many, if any folks that put credence in the ESPN rankings. Seems to me most think rivals and scouts are a lot better with a lot less bias. Since you got me following recruiting a bit more, I'll go to espn to see the lists of commitments, offers etc, but I put little stock in what they say about the kids. There are a ton of places out there that give more useful information that you don't have to pay for. IMO, if espn wants to be the leader, they should probably open their doors up a bit and lay off the "OMG it's the SEC!!!" shtick a little bit.
When you ask Rivals and 24/7 founder Shannon Terry about ESPN, he points to their rankings being slanted to who plays in their All Star game. They are apparently talking about expanding their team-specific offering to 25 schools....but I wonder if just buying 24/7 is an option.
247 is worse than espn imo. They can expand their team specific sites I guess, but they need to make them free for a period of time. Why go to espn and pay for something you can get elsewhere for free. The reasons rivals and scouts can charge now is because they established credibility early on. Do folks think ESPN is much more than an SEC sounding board at the moment? They need to get rid of that before they will be successful at this recruiting thing.
What do you mean on the bolded...as far as being biased? I disagree if so....they use the same rankings systems that built Rivals...and brought a lot of the same talent over from Rivals. Having moved over myself, it seems the same to me....just a smaller version.
They seem to be in their infancy stage. I didn't know this about them though...good to know. They seem behind on news and events as well. Though, I will say my assessment probably isn't very fair as I spend little time on their page because I can get the info faster elsewhere so I could be completely wrong.
Yea....probably a lot different by school at this stage....the Alabama version is BOL...which is a known brand...and the timing of the 24/7 launch was when a lot of Alabama fans were unhappy at Rivals. I'm sure they had a lot of resources put into BOL from Day 1 to get it fully functional and active to hit the ground running.
 
What's the general consensus on the four year scholarship that seems to be picking up steam? I think it's a pretty cool thing to be doing and I say bravo to the schools doing it.
Why do you think it's a pretty cool thing to be doing? If the student-athlete isn't upholding his end of the bargain, why should he continue to receive a free ride?I had an academic scholarship in college. That scholarship was automatically renewable on a yearly basis, provided I maintained a high enough GPA. If I didn't, then the scholarship was revoked, but could be earned back after my GPA went back up. I'm not sure I see why athletes should have four year scholarships as a matter of right.
 
What's the general consensus on the four year scholarship that seems to be picking up steam? I think it's a pretty cool thing to be doing and I say bravo to the schools doing it.
Why do you think it's a pretty cool thing to be doing? If the student-athlete isn't upholding his end of the bargain, why should he continue to receive a free ride?I had an academic scholarship in college. That scholarship was automatically renewable on a yearly basis, provided I maintained a high enough GPA. If I didn't, then the scholarship was revoked, but could be earned back after my GPA went back up. I'm not sure I see why athletes should have four year scholarships as a matter of right.
Auburn's 4 year athletic scholarships require players to stay academically eligible and stay out of trouble off the field. It's not a guaranteed 4 year ride, it's saying they can't lose a scholarship based on athletic performance.
 
What's the general consensus on the four year scholarship that seems to be picking up steam? I think it's a pretty cool thing to be doing and I say bravo to the schools doing it.
Why do you think it's a pretty cool thing to be doing? If the student-athlete isn't upholding his end of the bargain, why should he continue to receive a free ride?I had an academic scholarship in college. That scholarship was automatically renewable on a yearly basis, provided I maintained a high enough GPA. If I didn't, then the scholarship was revoked, but could be earned back after my GPA went back up.

I'm not sure I see why athletes should have four year scholarships as a matter of right.
Auburn's 4 year athletic scholarships require players to stay academically eligible and stay out of trouble off the field. It's not a guaranteed 4 year ride, it's saying they can't lose a scholarship based on athletic performance.
Why can't they? That's how they got their scholarship and their athletic performance is, most likely, the only reason the school is allowing them to attend classes there.
 

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