***Official*** New York Giants vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (-13) O/U 47 (1 Viewer)

[Biabreakable]

It is possible to both pass interfere and also end up deflecting the football, which is exactly what happened here.

Winfield has a right to the ball, if he's playing the ball.  In this case he clearly wasn't.  He ran right into the receiver while not looking for the ball.  This gets called PI all the time and is called100 out of 100 times if Tom Brady throws that pass.

I disagree.

Saw the play at least 4 times.

 

[Judge Smails]

I guess I'm crazy and blind then.

I agree with you. That was bang bang 

 

[Biabreakable]

I agree with you. That was bang bang 

Thanks for the assurance.

I am not that far from blind and crazy to be entirely sure. 

 

[FreeBaGeL]

He's clearly running into him before the ball arrives. Again, that's the definition of pass interference.

I am going to stick with my crazy and blind assessment

https://twitter.com/WentzForSix/status/1323485254007484417/photo/1

 

[Grahamburn]

You wish the flag wouldn’t have been thrown at all, because then all the conversation would be about the amazing game winning play Winfield makes there. He’s on the other side of the formation. Recognizes Lewis going that way and explodes toward him. Navigates the wash and breaks up the pass with incidental contact. That’s a great football play. The NFL needs more stuff like that without involving the officials. Not less. 

 

[Boone22]

Giants have lost their last 4 games by 3, 1, 1, 2 points.  Crazy that they could somehow be 5-3 if they'd just made a few more plays.

If only Danny Dimes didn’t throw so many interceptions. 

 

[Yenrub]

I disagree.

Saw the play at least 4 times.

Here is a still shot from a different angle. Winfield clearly making contact with Lewis before the ball touches either one of them. Judge was right in his press conference. The initial call was correct, I'm not sure how they decided to pick up the flag.

https://twitter.com/cwehler/status/1323488583756484608?s=20

 

[Biabreakable]

Here is a still shot from a different angle. Winfield clearly making contact with Lewis before the ball touches either one of them. Judge was right in his press conference. The initial call was correct, I'm not sure how they decided to pick up the flag.

https://twitter.com/cwehler/status/1323488583756484608?s=20

This is the 2nd time someone links something from Twitter that does not show video evidence at all.

You can find the play on nfl.com replays and I do not see it the way you describe it at all.

 

[modogg]

Giants have lost their last 4 games by 3, 1, 1, 2 points.  Crazy that they could somehow be 5-3 if they'd just made a few more plays.

that's a good point. they were up 21-10 against the Eagles midway through the 4th Q. 

 

[IHEARTFF]

This is the 2nd time someone links something from Twitter that does not show video evidence at all.

You can find the play on nfl.com replays and I do not see it the way you describe it at all.

making body contact with the receiver, hand on the receiver all before the ball arrive. how is that not pass interference?

 

[Biabreakable]

making body contact with the receiver, hand on the receiver all before the ball arrive. how is that not pass interference?

Is it a penalty to make any contact with the WR?

I don't think it is.

The ball hits Winfields arm simultaneous to the contact. Winfield does have a right to go for the ball too. 

 

[IHEARTFF]

Is it a penalty to make any contact with the WR?

I don't think it is.

The ball hits Winfields arm simultaneous to the contact. Winfield does have a right to go for the ball too. 

Some contact is allowed, sure.

Winfield is not going for the ball. No, it is not simultaneous. He makes contact clearly before the ball touches his back. Also, the defender cannot touch the receiver's hand, hindering the ability to catch the ball, before the ball arrives, which he does as well.

 

[rockaction]

Winfield can both interfere and make a great play, as somebody pointed out upthread.

Numerous slo-mo shots on the telecast last night show him there, head not turned (not that that alone means a flag but is evidence of being out of sorts), arriving early with body contact. Should be a flag every time.

eta* I have no skin in this one, and was pulling for Tompa Bay a bit because of fantasy interests. Though I wanted some overtime to pad stats, for sure. But still, Judge was right. That was a penalty.

 

[Biabreakable]

Some contact is allowed, sure.

Winfield is not going for the ball.

This is where we disagree. Yes Winfields body position is such that he isn't facing the ball when it arrives, but he sees Lewis hands going up and he reaches his arm out to deflect the ball, which he does because the throw is too late.

Yes there is contact at the same time. I have only watched the play live. I watched it twice more just now after your comments. I do not see him grab Lewis arm.

Maybe there is a different shot of it that I have not seen? Maybe that is what people are linking twitter account links to me for? I do not see any video in those links and I am not going to fish through a bunch of drek on twitter to find them. Surely wasn't apparent in a quick scroll of the feed.

Its possible that there is a better view of the play that I cannot see in the NFL.com replay.

No, it is not simultaneous. He makes contact clearly before the ball touches his back. Also, the defender cannot touch the receiver's hand, hindering the ability to catch the ball, before the ball arrives, which he does as well.

Looks simultaneous to me in real time. I still havent seen this touching of Lewis hand that you and someone else are talking about. He is hindering the ability to catch the ball by deflecting it. If Lewis wants the ball he needs to come back to it. The throw was too late.

 

[Yenrub]

Winfield can both interfere and make a great play, as somebody pointed out upthread.

Numerous slo-mo shots on the telecast last night show him there, head not turned (not that that alone means a flag but is evidence of being out of sorts), arriving early with body contact. Should be a flag every time.

eta* I have no skin in this one, and was pulling for Tompa Bay a bit because of fantasy interests. Though I wanted some overtime to pad stats, for sure. But still, Judge was right. That was a penalty.

My issue is that they threw the damn penalty flag, then decided to pick it up. There wasn't anything conclusive to over rule the flag

 

[rockaction]

My issue is that they threw the damn penalty flag, then decided to pick it up. There wasn't anything conclusive to over rule the flag

Yeah. I mean, I'm glad they got together to hopefully ensure the process of getting the call right, but instead of it being the additional safeguarding process against the wrong call, they overturned a good call and got it wrong. 

I'm not sure they're held to a replay standard, though. They were probably just looking for input from the other guys, so conclusive may not factor.

 

[Grahamburn]

Obviously feelings on the play will be based on perspective.  Bucs' fans think that was an amazing play by Winfield and the back judge didn't have the appropriate angle to throw a flag in the first place.  The ref right on top of the play kept his in his pocket and ruled it incomplete. 

 

[Grahamburn]

"The side judge [Eugene Hall] had the flag thrown on the play and came to the down judge [Jerod Phillips] who was on that side of the goal line," referee Brad Rogers said. "The communication between the side judge and the down judge was that the defender contacted the receiver simultaneously as the ball came in. And in order to have defensive pass interference, it has to be clearly early and hinder the receiver's ability to make the catch."

The officials thought it was clear enough to pick up the flag.

"You want to make sure that it meets the qualifications for pass interference," Rogers said. "And in our communication on the field, the down judge and the side judge communicated about the action and believed that it was appropriate to pick that flag up."