***Official NFC Divisional Playoff Packers vs Cowboys (1 Viewer)

[rockaction]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

Nothing will top the Tuck Rule.

That didn't even make football sense.

 

[smackdaddies]

Even if it was a catch, and Dallas gets a TD - The Packers still would of had 2 minutes to score.

With how Rodgers was playing at the end of the game, you really think the Pack would not of won anyway?

 

[Deamon]

Last week was 'controversial". The PI was up for debate based on the rules. Picking up the flag was sketchy.

This week the clear consensus in here seems to be that the rule blows, but given the crappy rule, it's not really debatable.

Not even the same. Cowboys should feel lucky they even got to come to this game. They played very well today, almost good enough to win. But that was the right call. Those who disagree, should disagree with the rule... not the call which has been clearly explained by every analyst, etc.

 

[Prince Myshkin]

Can someone explain to me how that rule comes into effect when Dez was already down?

He took steps...landed on his elbow...THEN the ball hits the ground and pops up.

As soon as his elbow hits the ground...he's down, right?

Watch the calvin johnson play to get a better understanding

He's not down until he is through the movement of completing the catch

I don't see how there can be an application of that rule here.

Dez goes up...catches the ball...brings it into his body and then switches it from his dominant hand to his left...while taking steps...lunges...right elbow hits the ground before his left hand comes down with the ball into the ground.

What else must a person do to establish a catch?

He caught it...check.

He has control of it...check.

He switches it from one hand to the other...football move? Nope.

He takes steps while switching it from one hand to another...football move? Check.

He lunges for the endzone...football move? Nope. Didn't lunge as replay clearly shows.

His off hand elbow comes down...he's down...check.

Are ANY of those in question above? If so...are you able to overturn all those "football moves"?

Should have held onto the ball. Rule stats that this is an incomplete.

How so? Everytime we see a RB switch the ball from one hand to the other in order to put his body inbetween the defender and the ball...we applaud him for being smart to protect the ball.

Protecting the ball...and lunging it towards the endzone HAS to be considered a football move. It certainly isn't a damned badminton move.

It's not on accident...it's done for purpose and reason. It's not him reacting to the ball bobbling and doing weird things during the catch...it's a CONSCIOUS effort to protect and lunge the ball.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. HE IS GOING TO THE GROUND DURING THE CATCH. Therefore he must maintain control throughout the ENTIRE process.

He could have so much control of the ball on his way down that he sticks it up his own ###...but if it pops out when he hits the ground, no catch.

 

[Cunk]

I thought Perreira said the rule is he must complete the catch and make a football move. Looked pretty clear to me that he caught the ball and then made a football move stretching the ball towards the goal line.

That's the only case for this being a bad call but i thought it was more of him just stretching while falling forward. He was falling forward there in any circumstance...it wasn't him leaping for the end zone

I don't think him stretching forward was part of the catch. I think the catch was completed and he he was making a football move to the end zone. WAY too close to overturn something like that, particularly on a rule that sucks to begin with. Jerry is gonna be apoplectic.

Wasn't a catch. Not even close. Calvin took three steps, rolled over on the ground in the end zone and in the process of getting up, used the football to push off the ground and lost the ball. Calvin's was way more of a catch than that one according to the adapted logic.

the difference, I think, is that Calvin wasn't making a football move. Dez, in my opinion, was making a football move by lunging toward the end zone. A football move is what distinguishes that a catch is over.

Calvin clearly had possession, he controlled the ball in one hand and then intentional left it on the ground.

Dez never had complete control and lost it when he hit the ground

In my opinion Dez had complete control.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Even though I'm a Pat's fan I feel for you Dallas fans. YOU should be advancing. Not the Packers. This rule needs to change.

If that is called a catch, we don't know if Dallas gets the 2, and given the way the Packers went down the field at the end, they likely tie it or win it anyway. Tough call though either way.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'm a little confused over this holding thing, can we back up and discuss?

 

[GoBirds]

Its shocking how many people here play FFB, probably watch games every Sunday, and don't get or understand this rule. This was a big deal like 4-5 years ago

Don't understand or don't want to understand?

 

[Bucky86]

I wonder if the Cowboys whiners would be saying the same thing if a DB had punched the ball out while Dez was extending the ball and it was first called a fumble?

 

[Manster]

Congrats to the Packers.That said, Im done watching this season. Reminds me of the Megatron TD that got disallowed. Its a joke.

One play shouldn't decide a game. Could have made a lot of other plays.

Huh? That was a great play. It was disallowed. Maybe the rule will be changed. Should have been 1st and goal on the half yard line.

 

[monk]

Bad call. Glad the Cowboys lost, but not like that.

Well ... they really shouldn't have been there anyway

 

[MaxThreshold]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

Are you really that clueless? Did you NOT see the post game explanation by Pierra? CLEARLY that was the right call because that's the rule.

Whether you like it or not, it's still the same rule they've been calling for 4 years now. a rule, mind you, that was voted on by all 32 teams.

 

[Deamon]

Even though I'm a Pat's fan I feel for you Dallas fans. YOU should be advancing. Not the Packers. This rule needs to change.

Yes, it's a shame when silly rules help you advance in the playoffs.

#tuck

Yes, the tuck was a silly rule. Can we move on now?

Have moved on. Was just pointing out the irony in a Pats fan saying the silly rule caused the wrong team to advance.

 

[kylechoffman]

Dallas gets homefield calls that lead to a Win > GB gets homefield calls that lead to a win. Seattle to get some homefield love next week.

 

[Deamon]

Congrats to the Packers.That said, Im done watching this season. Reminds me of the Megatron TD that got disallowed. Its a joke.

One play shouldn't decide a game. Could have made a lot of other plays.

Huh? That was a great play. It was disallowed. Maybe the rule will be changed. Should have been 1st and goal on the half yard line.

Should have been if we went back in time and changed the rule a few years ago, yes you are correct.

Given the rules that the NFL plays under, it should have been incomplete.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Once again the NFL reminds me that I have no idea what a catch is any more.

Agreed...even as a Packers fan. Though, im supposed to be embarrassed by that.

Yet not embarrassed about being oblivious

Keep laughing, because we are too

 

[Ghost Rider]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

Are you really that clueless?

He is, yes.

 

[Deamon]

Dallas gets homefield calls that lead to a Win > GB gets homefield calls that lead to a win. Seattle to get some homefield love next week.

I think they got plenty on the last play of the game the last time GB came to town....

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I wonder if the Cowboys whiners would be saying the same thing if a DB had punched the ball out while Dez was extending the ball and it was first called a fumble?

MOST of the Cowboys fans on this board agree it was the right call.

Don't be such a dooshpickle.

 

[renesauz]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

Yes it is, and it's barely controversial now. This rule has been talked about AD Nauseum for 4 or 5 years now, and most football fans know the rule. It's the RULE that is controversial, not this specific ruling.

 

[Bucky86]

I wonder if the Cowboys whiners would be saying the same thing if a DB had punched the ball out while Dez was extending the ball and it was first called a fumble?

MOST of the Cowboys fans on this board agree it was the right call.

Don't be such a dooshpickle.

Excuse me for not being aware of everyones team allegiance. Is it wrong to assume the most vocal complainers are those that root for the team that lost?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Congrats to the Packers.That said, Im done watching this season. Reminds me of the Megatron TD that got disallowed. Its a joke.

One play shouldn't decide a game. Could have made a lot of other plays.

Huh? That was a great play. It was disallowed. Maybe the rule will be changed. Should have been 1st and goal on the half yard line.

Should have been if we went back in time and changed the rule a few years ago, yes you are correct.Given the rules that the NFL plays under, it should have been incomplete.

Exactly. Go back and watch the replay and JUST look at the field judge. He never stays with Dez. He goes to spot the ball. Had he continued to watch him he calls it incomplete.

This call may suck for some but it was not even close.

 

[Deamon]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

There's a homer post if I've ever heard one.

not controversial at all given the rules. Yes, the consensus in this forum, by all analysts, etc, is that by virtue of CURRENT RULES, that was incomplete. No question.

I think once people digest it and Cowboy fans' emotion settles, it will become even more consensus that the correct call was made.

 

[NREC34]

If they call this incomplete I will turn off this game and never watch another NFL game ever.

Enjoy watching bowling.

 

[renesauz]

Can someone explain to me how that rule comes into effect when Dez was already down?

He took steps...landed on his elbow...THEN the ball hits the ground and pops up.

As soon as his elbow hits the ground...he's down, right?

Watch the calvin johnson play to get a better understanding

He's not down until he is through the movement of completing the catch

I don't see how there can be an application of that rule here.

Dez goes up...catches the ball...brings it into his body and then switches it from his dominant hand to his left...while taking steps...lunges...right elbow hits the ground before his left hand comes down with the ball into the ground.

What else must a person do to establish a catch?

He caught it...check.

He has control of it...check.

He switches it from one hand to the other...football move? Nope.

He takes steps while switching it from one hand to another...football move? Check.

He lunges for the endzone...football move? Nope. Didn't lunge as replay clearly shows.

His off hand elbow comes down...he's down...check.

Are ANY of those in question above? If so...are you able to overturn all those "football moves"?

Should have held onto the ball. Rule stats that this is an incomplete.

How so? Everytime we see a RB switch the ball from one hand to the other in order to put his body inbetween the defender and the ball...we applaud him for being smart to protect the ball.

Protecting the ball...and lunging it towards the endzone HAS to be considered a football move. It certainly isn't a damned badminton move.

It's not on accident...it's done for purpose and reason. It's not him reacting to the ball bobbling and doing weird things during the catch...it's a CONSCIOUS effort to protect and lunge the ball.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. HE IS GOING TO THE GROUND DURING THE CATCH. Therefore he must maintain control throughout the ENTIRE process.

He could have so much control of the ball on his way down that he sticks it up his own ###...but if it pops out when he hits the ground, no catch.

To be clear, it's not the player hitting the ground, it's the ground CAUSING the ball to pop up and out of his hands. The ball can pop out all it wants to but if it never touches the ground it wouldn't matter.

 

[Mr.Pack]

All these years and the NFL still hasnt fixed this dumb rule. What a league.

Terrible rule. Especially since he got three steps in and it was clear he was then trying to reach for the end zone. I guess it is the right call based on the review call, but I disagree with it completely. I hate these stupid calls that take away a clear play with a stupid rule/interpretation of the rule. I understand the going to the ground, but when the receiver is able to complete 3 steps, seems like that is beyond someone catching the ball in the air and losing it as they go to the ground and they never take a step.

Spot on here. Agree 100%

 

[Dark Matter]

I feel bad for Rodgers, he's going to get killed next Sunday.

That will be fun to watch.

Excuse me but this deserves a :finger: see you next week!

 

[GoBirds]

Congrats to the Packers.That said, Im done watching this season. Reminds me of the Megatron TD that got disallowed. Its a joke.

One play shouldn't decide a game. Could have made a lot of other plays.

Huh? That was a great play. It was disallowed. Maybe the rule will be changed. Should have been 1st and goal on the half yard line.

By current rule it would be Incomplete.

 

[Mario Kart]

Dez catches ball in air.

Dez falls to ground with ball in left hand.

Ball hits ground.

Incomplete.

How difficult is this, really?

 

[Ghost Rider]

All these years and the NFL still hasnt fixed this dumb rule. What a league.

Terrible rule. Especially since he got three steps in and it was clear he was then trying to reach for the end zone. I guess it is the right call based on the review call, but I disagree with it completely. I hate these stupid calls that take away a clear play with a stupid rule/interpretation of the rule. I understand the going to the ground, but when the receiver is able to complete 3 steps, seems like that is beyond someone catching the ball in the air and losing it as they go to the ground and they never take a step.

Spot on here. Agree 100%

I agree, too. I don't like the rule, but it has been called this way for years now, so it's plain as day to anyone paying attention.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10414593_10203615738296235_1669565778811963176_n.jpg?oh=15b26a96a693cb54982bbacb28e70322&oe=556ED8BA&__gda__=1433313759_43dac72db7e15766b16ab154c7936cb3

 

[ROCKET]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

Most controversial for Cowboys fans. No one else will care as it was clear he didn't maintain control of the ball AFTER it hit the ground. What happened prior to that is irrelevant. I honestly don't even see where there is an argument to be made here.

The rule is fine. It's simple, don't let the ball hit the ground and you won't lose the catch.

 

[Prince Myshkin]

Can someone explain to me how that rule comes into effect when Dez was already down?

He took steps...landed on his elbow...THEN the ball hits the ground and pops up.

As soon as his elbow hits the ground...he's down, right?

Watch the calvin johnson play to get a better understanding

He's not down until he is through the movement of completing the catch

I don't see how there can be an application of that rule here.

Dez goes up...catches the ball...brings it into his body and then switches it from his dominant hand to his left...while taking steps...lunges...right elbow hits the ground before his left hand comes down with the ball into the ground.

What else must a person do to establish a catch?

He caught it...check.

He has control of it...check.

He switches it from one hand to the other...football move? Nope.

He takes steps while switching it from one hand to another...football move? Check.

He lunges for the endzone...football move? Nope. Didn't lunge as replay clearly shows.

His off hand elbow comes down...he's down...check.

Are ANY of those in question above? If so...are you able to overturn all those "football moves"?

Should have held onto the ball. Rule stats that this is an incomplete.

How so? Everytime we see a RB switch the ball from one hand to the other in order to put his body inbetween the defender and the ball...we applaud him for being smart to protect the ball.

Protecting the ball...and lunging it towards the endzone HAS to be considered a football move. It certainly isn't a damned badminton move.

It's not on accident...it's done for purpose and reason. It's not him reacting to the ball bobbling and doing weird things during the catch...it's a CONSCIOUS effort to protect and lunge the ball.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. HE IS GOING TO THE GROUND DURING THE CATCH. Therefore he must maintain control throughout the ENTIRE process.

He could have so much control of the ball on his way down that he sticks it up his own ###...but if it pops out when he hits the ground, no catch.

To be clear, it's not the player hitting the ground, it's the ground CAUSING the ball to pop up and out of his hands. The ball can pop out all it wants to but if it never touches the ground it wouldn't matter.

agreed..i may have went a little far with the example there

 

[Cunk]

Total BS. Dez made an amazing catch. He had complete control until he reached towards the end zone. F'ing ridiculous.

It's insane....an the ball never left his body......never. He had it all the way even after rolling into the end zone.

How do you take away a play like that?

***k replay. I have ben pounding the table about this for years here. Ruined the game people.

The ball hit the ground and popped away from him. How did you not see that on replay?

We did see that on replay thus Todem's "***k replay" comment. The rule should change. But if I were in your spot Pack I would probably be thanking the NFL gods as well for such a stupid rule as I did when the Pats advance because of the stupid "tuck" rule.

 

[Manster]

Congrats to the Packers.

That said, Im done watching this season. Reminds me of the Megatron TD that got disallowed. Its a joke.

May be the same result but very different plays. Dez juggled it after it hit the ground. Calvin caught it and placed it on the ground.

looked like he was stretching for the GL to me......look, the fact that the play was overturned is a joke. This should be enough to change the rule.

 

[tdmills]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

There's a homer post if I've ever heard one.

not controversial at all given the rules. Yes, the consensus in this forum, by all analysts, etc, is that by virtue of CURRENT RULES, that was incomplete. No question.

I think once people digest it and Cowboy fans' emotion settles, it will become even more consensus that the correct call was made.

The rule says the ball hitting the ground without possession. It looks like Dez has possession to the ground as the ball is pinned with his hand/forearm/bicep. Then the ball bounces up and Dez catches it as he rolls over. At what point did it hit the ground without possession?

Meanwhile this is a catch. https://twitter.com/CockyTomBrady/status/554384517491068928/photo/1

All I want is consistency from the NFL

 

[twistd]

Even if it was a catch, and Dallas gets a TD - The Packers still would of had 2 minutes to score.

With how Rodgers was playing at the end of the game, you really think the Pack would not of won anyway?

No, I don't.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Once again the NFL reminds me that I have no idea what a catch is any more.

Agreed...even as a Packers fan. Though, im supposed to be embarrassed by that.

Yet not embarrassed about being oblivious

Keep laughing, because we are too

Sho is on a roll today. A thing of beauty to watch his meltdowns.

 

[The General]

Only beef people should have IMO (besides the rule being dumb but it's been like that for years) is what constitutes a football move.

Pretty obvious to me and I didn't care who won was that Dez had the ball and reached out to try and break the plane. That's a football move.

Think the Hawks will be able to punish an immobile Rodgers next week.

 

[renesauz]

Dez catches ball in air.

Dez falls to ground with ball in left hand.

Ball hits ground.

Incomplete.

How difficult is this, really?

It's this simple.

 

[theplayer11]

Its shocking how many people here play FFB, probably watch games every Sunday, and don't get or understand this rule. This was a big deal like 4-5 years ago

people get it, it's just a dumb way to distinguish what a catch is.

 

[Deamon]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

There's a homer post if I've ever heard one.

not controversial at all given the rules. Yes, the consensus in this forum, by all analysts, etc, is that by virtue of CURRENT RULES, that was incomplete. No question.

I think once people digest it and Cowboy fans' emotion settles, it will become even more consensus that the correct call was made.

The rule says the ball hitting the ground without possession. It looks like Dez has possession to the ground as the ball is pinned with his hand/forearm/bicep. Then the ball bounces up and Dez catches it as he rolls over. At what point did it hit the ground without possession?

Meanwhile this is a catch. https://twitter.com/CockyTomBrady/status/554384517491068928/photo/1

All I want is consistency from the NFL

Ya I think the refs messed up on this one. I'll give you that.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Its shocking how many people here play FFB, probably watch games every Sunday, and don't get or understand this rule. This was a big deal like 4-5 years ago

people get it, it's just a dumb way to distinguish what a catch is.

jerry will make sure this rule gets changed

 

[tdmills]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

Most controversial for Cowboys fans. No one else will care as it was clear he didn't maintain control of the ball AFTER it hit the ground. What happened prior to that is irrelevant. I honestly don't even see where there is an argument to be made here.

The rule is fine. It's simple, don't let the ball hit the ground and you won't lose the catch.

https://twitter.com/CockyTomBrady/status/554384517491068928/photo/1

The Ball hit the ground here and he didn't lose the catch.

 

[Bucky86]

Its shocking how many people here play FFB, probably watch games every Sunday, and don't get or understand this rule. This was a big deal like 4-5 years ago

people get it, it's just a dumb way to distinguish what a catch is.

jerry will make sure this rule gets changed

Yup. He has as much pull as Manning when the poor little baby never had a chance in OT against the Chargers.

 

[massraider]

Terrible rule that needs to be changed...multiple steps and a hand down and not a catch? Makes no sense at all.

He didn't have control during that whole time. If he controlled the ball from the moment it hit his hands to when it hits the ground it's a catch.

Not true. The ground can cause an incompletion.

 

[Tool]

ON such a controversial call there is surprising consensus that they got it right

whoa there. Way too early to say that. Most people are trying to digest what the actual rule is. When people understand the rule, they will start making their opinions known. Mark my words, this will be one of the most controversial calls of all-time. And that's not hyperbole.

Most controversial for Cowboys fans. No one else will care as it was clear he didn't maintain control of the ball AFTER it hit the ground. What happened prior to that is irrelevant. I honestly don't even see where there is an argument to be made here.

The rule is fine. It's simple, don't let the ball hit the ground and you won't lose the catch.

https://twitter.com/CockyTomBrady/status/554384517491068928/photo/1

The Ball hit the ground here and he didn't lose the catch.

He has control of the ball and i'm assuming it didn't move

 

[MaxThreshold]

Even if it was a catch, and Dallas gets a TD - The Packers still would of had 2 minutes to score.

With how Rodgers was playing at the end of the game, you really think the Pack would not of won anyway?

No, I don't.

And, of course, you'd be wrong again.

 

[Manster]

Only beef people should have IMO (besides the rule being dumb but it's been like that for years) is what constitutes a football move.

Pretty obvious to me and I didn't care who won was that Dez had the ball and reached out to try and break the plane. That's a football move.

Think the Hawks will be able to punish an immobile Rodgers next week.

Right. It was called complete on the field. He switched hands as he made the catch, stretched for the GL......At what point is it a catch, and a football move? It was too quick?......Shoulda just held onto it with his right hand I guess.

Cowboys had their chances. Came up short.

 

[theplayer11]

Dez catches ball in air.

Dez falls to ground with ball in left hand.

Ball hits ground.

Incomplete.

How difficult is this, really?

It's this simple.

ball can hit ground, thought people would know that by now. Not saying it was a legal catch by the NFL's ridiculous rule of what a catch is..but the ball can hit the ground