Official NFL definition of a rookie (1 Viewer)

[Chase Stuart]

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[Bri]

NFLPA site, CBA defines rookies

IIRC There is an explanation about first year player and rookie differences. IE a PS player that never plays in a game nor is active for any game has zero experience but (in year 2) he is a first year player that can be considerred a rookie for the purposes of CBA...however I think they can only "pull that" for a year.

I looked at a dynasty MB I'm in as we discussed it. Our rules had "rookie or first year player" so it came up. Sorry couldn't find the link

 

[Chase Stuart]

I checked the CBA, and there wasn't a good definition of rookie there. There was talk about covered years and collected seasons but no official definition.

I think the spectrum looks like this:

Records a stat

Active for a game but never records a stat

Third QB/inactive for a game

Never active for a game but on the roster

On IR for the season

Cut in training camp

Never signed during rookie year

I'm just not sure where the line is between "not counting as a season" and "rookie season".

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I checked the CBA, and there wasn't a good definition of rookie there. There was talk about covered years and collected seasons but no official definition.

I think the spectrum looks like this:

Records a stat

Active for a game but never records a stat

Third QB/inactive for a game

Never active for a game but on the roster

On IR for the season

Cut in training camp

Never signed during rookie year

I'm just not sure where the line is between "not counting as a season" and "rookie season".

Next time give me a harder one, GB. Accrued Seasons

 

[Chase Stuart]

I checked the CBA, and there wasn't a good definition of rookie there. There was talk about covered years and collected seasons but no official definition.

I think the spectrum looks like this:

Records a stat

Active for a game but never records a stat

Third QB/inactive for a game

Never active for a game but on the roster

On IR for the season

Cut in training camp

Never signed during rookie year

I'm just not sure where the line is between "not counting as a season" and "rookie season".

Next time give me a harder one, GB. <_< Accrued Seasons

Thanks, GB.Say the Lions sign Joe Bryant next weekend, after starting 0-14. Joe plays two games for the Lions, bumping their record up to 2-14.

If Bryant has a monster year in '09, can he win ROY? I would think no, but he wouldn't have any credited or accrued seasons according to the NFLPA.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I checked the CBA, and there wasn't a good definition of rookie there. There was talk about covered years and collected seasons but no official definition.

I think the spectrum looks like this:

Records a stat

Active for a game but never records a stat

Third QB/inactive for a game

Never active for a game but on the roster

On IR for the season

Cut in training camp

Never signed during rookie year

I'm just not sure where the line is between "not counting as a season" and "rookie season".

Next time give me a harder one, GB. Accrued Seasons

Thanks, GB.Say the Lions sign Joe Bryant next weekend, after starting 0-14. Joe plays two games for the Lions, bumping their record up to 2-14.

If Bryant has a monster year in '09, can he win ROY? I would think no, but he wouldn't have any credited or accrued seasons according to the NFLPA.

Yes, he would be eligible for ROY.A player coming off of the practice squad this time of year doesn't get a year of service for that time, so he would get 2009 as his true rookie season.

The baseball comparison applies well - September call-ups don't count, so a rookie appearing for the Phillies only from 9/1 through October would still be a rookie come April 2009.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Wow. Never heard of that rule.

Be curious if anyone ever made a run at ROY in their second season playing.

I believe McGahee was ineligible in '04 because he was on IR the whole 2003 season? Or was he eligible and Big Ben just stole all the votes?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Wow. Never heard of that rule.Be curious if anyone ever made a run at ROY in their second season playing.I believe McGahee was ineligible in '04 because he was on IR the whole 2003 season? Or was he eligible and Big Ben just stole all the votes?

You might be able to dig something up historically, but think about it - the outstanding rookies are rarely practice squad guys.This discussion may have come up with Ryan Grant but he came off the practice squad and already has booked a year of eligibility I believe.

 

[TommyGilmore]

You might be able to dig something up historically, but think about it - the outstanding rookies are rarely practice squad guys.

How about Kurt Warner? He appeared in 1 game with St. Louis at the end of the 1998 season -- had he been on the practice squad all year??

 

[Bri]

I checked the CBA, and there wasn't a good definition of rookie there. There was talk about covered years and collected seasons but no official definition.

I think the spectrum looks like this:

Records a stat

Active for a game but never records a stat

Third QB/inactive for a game

Never active for a game but on the roster

On IR for the season

Cut in training camp

Never signed during rookie year

I'm just not sure where the line is between "not counting as a season" and "rookie season".

Next time give me a harder one, GB. Accrued Seasons

Thanks, GB.Say the Lions sign Joe Bryant next weekend, after starting 0-14. Joe plays two games for the Lions, bumping their record up to 2-14.

If Bryant has a monster year in '09, can he win ROY? I would think no, but he wouldn't have any credited or accrued seasons according to the NFLPA.

Yes, he would be eligible for ROY.A player coming off of the practice squad this time of year doesn't get a year of service for that time, so he would get 2009 as his true rookie season.

The baseball comparison applies well - September call-ups don't count, so a rookie appearing for the Phillies only from 9/1 through October would still be a rookie come April 2009.

I think this is the 3 week one, creditted season, as the last 2 weeks of the season teams have a small flurry of scrub signings.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I think this is the 3 week one, creditted season, as the last 2 weeks of the season teams have a small flurry of scrub signings.

 

[Bri]

A player coming off of the practice squad this time of year doesn't get a year of service for that time, so he would get 2009 as his true rookie season.

The baseball comparison applies well - September call-ups don't count, so a rookie appearing for the Phillies only from 9/1 through October would still be a rookie come April 2009.

I think this is the 3 week one, creditted season, as the last 2 weeks of the season teams have a small flurry of scrub signings.

this:Credited Seasons: A Credited Season is any season in which a player is on one of the following lists for at least three (3) regular season or post-season games: Active List, Inactive List, Injured Reserve List, or Physically Unable to Perform List (PUP).

A player will also earn a Credited Season if he is released injured and paid the equivalent of at least three (3) game checks. Weeks on the Practice Squad will not count toward a Credited Season.

not this:

Accrued Seasons: An Accrued Season is a season during which a player has been on full pay status (Active, Inactive or Injured Reserve List) for six (6) or more regular season games. However, a player who is on the Exempt Commissioner Permission List, the Reserve Physically Unable to Perform/Non Football Injury List, or the Practice Squad for any of the six (6) qualifying games will not earn an Accrued Season regardless of his pay status.

here

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/st.htm

you'll notice alot of movement BUT no more players on a roster yet

Here's Jets ones from last season:

January 15th 2008 – Signed to future contracts: RB Alvin Banks, S Darnell Bing, WR David Clowney, CB Manny Collins, OL Stanley Daniels, OL Wayne Hunter, DT Thomas Johnson, LB Jerry Mackey, QB Brett Ratliff, WR Shaine Smith and WR Marco Thomas.

Players on a practice squad can sign anywhere anytime. (Jets signed David Ball to active roster on Dec 26 so they'd be sure to have him in camp and try him out)

Players NOT on an active roster can be signed to a futures contract(Jan above) which while done in January, doesn't truly kick-in til the new FA season in March.

I believe this is what you were referring to and it has little to do with accrued seasons. Accrued is for free agency and contract years etc. Creditted seasons determines status.

After shaking your head a few times, I hope this makes some sense.