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***Official NY METS 2014 Thread*** (1 Viewer)

RUSF18 said:
RBM said:
Scott Boras....STAY THE #### OUT OF OUR TEAMS AFFAIRS
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You knew that Harvey could squash this if he wanted to. And he just didn't.

There's no point in disputing whether or not the innings limit makes sense but back when the team was first discussing six man rotations and skipping starts to keep his innings down, Harvey talked a lot of #### about how against it he was. To flip that now is a real ##### move.

Joel Sherman was calling him the "hold me back" guy in a fight and it looks like it fits pretty well.
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This is what concerns me most about all this. You sorta get this vibe from the other young mets guns that don't seem to have this holding back or something that Harvey gives off. He seems to be the one most interested in the limelight - dating models, being THE guy in the BIG city, the dark knight persona.

Meanwhile, all year he bristles at any talk that they may skip a start and now this?

First, ####### win tonight - we need it big time. Really don't want a circus creeping in here.

But then hopefully Uribe or Wright can have a little chat and if only we could shut Boras up.

Ok, let's just ####### win tonight and take it from there. :shrug:

 
RUSF18 said:
RBM said:
Scott Boras....STAY THE #### OUT OF OUR TEAMS AFFAIRS
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You knew that Harvey could squash this if he wanted to. And he just didn't. There's no point in disputing whether or not the innings limit makes sense but back when the team was first discussing six man rotations and skipping starts to keep his innings down, Harvey talked a lot of #### about how against it he was. To flip that now is a real ##### move.

Joel Sherman was calling him the "hold me back" guy in a fight and it looks like it fits pretty well.
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He absolutely could've stepped up yesterday and immediately ended this. His silence is deafening and if he dares let this city and fan base down after all the #### we've been thru he can go #### himself and pitch somewhere else.Strasburg will never live down the monumental #### out of not pitching in the playoffs and I'm sure most of his teammates have zero respect for him from that.

 
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We needed that.

Man, I take back all my harsh words for Colon. The guy is just ridiculous. Comes up as a huge stabilizing presence with a smile to boot. Exactly what the team could use, in terms of the needed win itself, and keeping the clubhouse loose.

First complete game for the Mets all year, correct?

 
Awesome bounce back tonight and needed it big time because the Nats are heating up.

And how much fun is Colon when he's on and havin a good time out there. That behind the back toss was a thing of beauty.

 
RBM said:
Awesome bounce back tonight and needed it big time because the Nats are heating up.

And how much fun is Colon when he's on and havin a good time out there. That behind the back toss was a thing of beauty.
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He played that behind the back flip just so damn cool, also. As if he pre-planned it. What a great play, but guy made it not only look easy, but just f'n around in the park, easy.

 
RBM said:
RUSF18 said:
RBM said:
Scott Boras....STAY THE #### OUT OF OUR TEAMS AFFAIRS
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You knew that Harvey could squash this if he wanted to. And he just didn't. There's no point in disputing whether or not the innings limit makes sense but back when the team was first discussing six man rotations and skipping starts to keep his innings down, Harvey talked a lot of #### about how against it he was. To flip that now is a real ##### move.

Joel Sherman was calling him the "hold me back" guy in a fight and it looks like it fits pretty well.
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He absolutely could've stepped up yesterday and immediately ended this. His silence is deafening and if he dares let this city and fan base down after all the #### we've been thru he can go #### himself and pitch somewhere else.Strasburg will never live down the monumental #### out of not pitching in the playoffs and I'm sure most of his teammates have zero respect for him from that.
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Strasburg was shut down by his team. That is a big difference.

 
Koya said:
We needed that.

Man, I take back all my harsh words for Colon. The guy is just ridiculous. Comes up as a huge stabilizing presence with a smile to boot. Exactly what the team could use, in terms of the needed win itself, and keeping the clubhouse loose.

First complete game for the Mets all year, correct?
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Yea.

Was funny on Friday nights game they pulled the stat that mets and marlins were 2 of the 4 teams in majors to not have a complete game.

 
The Harvey stuff is a bit concerning to me.

I'm not saying I want to trade him but the guy got drafted by the angels at 19 and turned down 1M cause he wanted 2M and decided to go to college for 3 years instead.

Again....not saying I want to trade him but I really really hope the mets don't let him walk for nothing if he and Boras decide he should be a 300 pitcher.

The sensible thing would be for him to sign a 100M+ contract during his arbitration years... a win win for both parties...I just have a feeling Boras will want none of that.

again....not saying I want to trade him but I do not want to let him walk out of NY in a couple years for nothing.

Will be interesting to follow this side show in the coming years

 
comfortably numb said:
The Harvey stuff is a bit concerning to me.

I'm not saying I want to trade him but the guy got drafted by the angels at 19 and turned down 1M cause he wanted 2M and decided to go to college for 3 years instead.

Again....not saying I want to trade him but I really really hope the mets don't let him walk for nothing if he and Boras decide he should be a 300 pitcher.

The sensible thing would be for him to sign a 100M+ contract during his arbitration years... a win win for both parties...I just have a feeling Boras will want none of that.

again....not saying I want to trade him but I do not want to let him walk out of NY in a couple years for nothing.

Will be interesting to follow this side show in the coming years
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FWIW, I'd have no problem taking a hard "we are not dealing with Boras" stance. You want to have him as representation, that is your right. But as an organization, I'd prefer not to engage in his bull#### games designed for only one thing and one thing alone, maximizing price and Boras' cut.

In fact, would be nice to see a few teams take that stance. It's not what Boras is even saying, nor what his client is saying... it's HOW they are saying it (and when). As if using this, a rare rare moment of excitement and hope for the mets, for nothing more than leverage.

 
PS - Too early to think trade in terms of we have to move him. If anything, use him like we know we have him for another year or so, then look to deal. If he is the one that will be worried about his future only from a financial perspective, let's use the asset to the highest value and then trade when we have leverage still.

PPS - The irony is how the one member of the staff that most seems to crave and need the public attention and limelight is also the one who is about to have his ardent and supportive fan base turn on him for selfishness. Boras will get his money, but Harvey will be the Knight without chivalry and just another mercenary pitcher rather than have this greater than baseball itself persona.

Watch what you ask for Harvey. NY Fans don't easily forget.

ETA: From Newsday today, reporting that Harvey was "sulking around the clubhouse" -

"Harvey is said to be shocked and stung by the backlash he has faced from Mets fans on social media."

Like I said, watch what you ask for or you can be the hero every 5th day in Kansas City or Milwaukee (not that either place is bad, great ribs and lots of beer respectively, but something tells me the aura of the dark knight won't case nearly so long a shadow outside of Gotham proper)

 
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What an awful loss today. I'm so annoyed at TC turning into Matt Williams and refusing to use Familia unless it's a save situation. This upcoming series will be huge.

 
njherdfan said:
What an awful loss today. I'm so annoyed at TC turning into Matt Williams and refusing to use Familia unless it's a save situation. This upcoming series will be huge.
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Really brutal loss. We've completely lost the mojo. Which, granted, is worth only so much as your next starter and start, but even so. We've stopped finding ways to win.

 
I really hate to say it, hate to believe it, but I think David Wright just brings this team down.

 
This team does not have collapse written all over it.

Note to self: most Mets fans are Debbie Downers. Do not enter this thread after a loss unless I am interesting in reading about how the sky is falling.

 
Fariq said:
This team does not have collapse written all over it.

Note to self: most Mets fans are Debbie Downers. Do not enter this thread after a loss unless I am interesting in reading about how the sky is falling.
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Nats making noise, TC is going to #### bed, Harvey won't play, sphincter tightening.

 
njherdfan said:
RBM said:
I really hate to say it, hate to believe it, but I think David Wright just brings this team down.
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What? He didn't play today, and he's been quite good since he came back. His numbers blow Uribe's out of the water.
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I'm talking in general. He's a singles hitter that is afraid of the ball and never comes thru in a big spot. Guy needs to be in the 7 hole.

I think he might carry the curse with him.

 
Done watching backboneless Niese just fold when #### gets tough.

Put him in as long relief, so he's not there long enough to have full inning meltdowns.

 
PS - We have expanded rosters. NO way Niese should be in there, not after giving up the hit just after the grand slam. This is not exactly an exception for him, it's the rule. These games are too ####### big already.

Yes, there's a long way to go. But when something becomes obvious (Niese can't handle the pressure, and once he cracks, he breaks) ####### react.

 
Wow, huge win. Offense just wouldn't let this game go, and the pen got us those last few innings really nicely.

Obviously, it's still game by game, but I'd think that's more demoralizing a loss for the Nats than even a great win for the Mets. They've gotten their vibe back, we've given up games in general, and in the standings, but with Scherzer going in game one, a great early comeback with a GS and all, still couldn't get the Mets.

Again, if Nats win tomorrow, so much for that, but this is a huge swing for both teams at this point.

 
comfortably numb said:
It's funny not coming here for 2 days following a horrible loss and great win and seeing how fast we jump off the ledge
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I think we are trying to avoid the ledge... going in with 4 games is a whole lot better than our adversaries position, but it's not like we have not seen slippage before.

That said, I think they ended up taking the appropriate steps... think Niese is out of the rotation though? It was pretty clear from what Terry said after his last start that he best forget it because he's about to prep for the biggest game of his career. What is it, three one inning meltdowns in a row now?

 
(Tuesday night, 9/8) Oh no! Matt Harvey's first pitch is a ball! The Mets are doomed to lose this game! Hit me over the head with an anvil, please for the love of God!

 
I know a lot of Mets fans tend to be a bit over-dramatic, but let's consider this:

Once Duda's back, the Mets will be able to start 7 above average hitters and 1 either average (Flores) or slightly above average but better defensively (Tejada), all while being able to have Kelly Johnson, Juan Uribe, Michael Cuddyer and Wilmer Flores available as pinch-hitters. That is a damn good lineup.

 
RUSF18 said:
I feel like I can say this freely now:

A curtain call in the 4th inning? Go #### yourself.
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It's different with a Nats game. Since all the fans will be gone by the 7th inning, you need to do these things earlier.

 
Eddie Coleman was just on WFAN saying Niese's dugout outburst was because he was pissed at d'Arnaud's pitch selection.

#### off, Schnoz.

 
Cespedes is not that different overall than Piazza when you think of it. The difference is Piazza had to warm to NY and playing here, while Cespedes seems completely at home in the Big Apple.

That means it will come down "only" to money.

Oh. ####.

 
Missed the first inning and a half but this had all the makings of a letdown. A lot of local talk about how Harvey was going to pitch angry after all this and throw a gem. It usually doesn't work out like that.

Plenty of time to get to Zimmermann though. Let's go.

 
Ugh, needed to avoid that DP.

If we had a couple guys on base, would they have taken out Harvey for a PH?

It's only the fifth, bullpen blah blah blah (but we have more arms), but why not save two innings when we need the hit, and if we don't get it, it's not as high leverage a situation being down by 2 already.

 
Worst thing is not this ####### innings bull#### is going to hang on. Was he distracted? Is the team distracted?

How's the confidence skipping a start now and brewing on the situation?

Way to serve the needs of your client, Boras.

Now, would this have happened anyway? WTF knows, we only have this reality where Boras decided to throw a grenade into one of his best young client's and team's season.

 
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