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The offense has been like this most of the season. I am not looking forward to the Bowl game. I figure that at 2nd in the Big 10 they will either play in the Citrus or Outback Bowl. BTW, Manningham has played like crap all day. Henne may be bad, but some of the blame needs to go to the wideouts.

 
Congrats to the Buckeye fans. Again they were the better team with the better coaching staff. The only victory we will get today is if Lloyd Carr truly does hang it up.

 
I respect michigan football and I respect the way hart runs, but I am so happy he finishes o'fer. Tressel owns Carr.

 
Here comes the obligatory Hart press conference where he says that if he wasn't hurt that this wouldn't have been close.

 
Gotta say it was definitely a big mistake to bring Henne back in that game. Shade of Champaign nothing. He was throwing a worse ball than our QB, and that is really really saying something.

 
JohnDoe said:
The offense has been like this most of the season. I am not looking forward to the Bowl game. I figure that at 2nd in the Big 10 they will either play in the Citrus or Outback Bowl. BTW, Manningham has played like crap all day. Henne may be bad, but some of the blame needs to go to the wideouts.
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Isn't Illinois 2nd in the Big Ten?
 
Vladislav Tretiak said:
JohnDoe said:
The offense has been like this most of the season. I am not looking forward to the Bowl game. I figure that at 2nd in the Big 10 they will either play in the Citrus or Outback Bowl. BTW, Manningham has played like crap all day. Henne may be bad, but some of the blame needs to go to the wideouts.
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Isn't Illinois 2nd in the Big Ten?
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They both end up 6-2 in conference but Michigan gets the HTH nod.Looks like Capital One for Michigan and Outback for Illinois with SEC match-ups for both.
 
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As a Buckeye fan, I have to say I was happy to see Henne come back in. Don't understand the decision at all. At least Mallet (sp?) had some zip when he threw the ball.

 
Christo said:
Vladislav Tretiak said:
JohnDoe said:
The offense has been like this most of the season. I am not looking forward to the Bowl game. I figure that at 2nd in the Big 10 they will either play in the Citrus or Outback Bowl. BTW, Manningham has played like crap all day. Henne may be bad, but some of the blame needs to go to the wideouts.
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Isn't Illinois 2nd in the Big Ten?
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They both end up 6-2 in conference but Michigan gets the HTH nod.Looks like Capital One for Michigan and Outback for Illinois with SEC match-ups for both.
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Forgot about the HTH I need another drink :confused:
 
While I'm bummed about Michigan losing, they didn't do much to deserve to win. I do wish Carr all the best, but it is time for him to move into the AD department, and let a modern coach take over.

 
Kal El said:
While I'm bummed about Michigan losing, they didn't do much to deserve to win. I do wish Carr all the best, but it is time for him to move into the AD department, and let a modern coach take over.
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Agreed....I was in and out during the game, but was looking at the stats for the game. Wells had 222 of the 279 yards for OSU....I can't believe they only had 14 points with the way he was running. It would be nice if the Michigan WRs could have caught a few of the balls that hit them in the hands....just a sloppy game all around.
 
The Commish said:
Kal El said:
While I'm bummed about Michigan losing, they didn't do much to deserve to win. I do wish Carr all the best, but it is time for him to move into the AD department, and let a modern coach take over.
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Agreed....I was in and out during the game, but was looking at the stats for the game. Wells had 222 of the 279 yards for OSU....I can't believe they only had 14 points with the way he was running. It would be nice if the Michigan WRs could have caught a few of the balls that hit them in the hands....just a sloppy game all around.
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It would have been nice to see Boeckman hit a WR in the hands. :popcorn:
 
:goodposting: Jeez, that was pathetic.

Well, now I know why Michigan rarely passes over the middle - their WRs are afraid of taking a hit.

Hey, Hart, how 'bout you do something really productive in the game before you stand over Buckeye players and taunt them? (Although that early run through the line with a spin move was a beauty.)

I agree that they should have stayed with Mallett.

And Big Jake Long, you again failed to impress me, especially that time when a defender shoved you back and you fell over your own QB. Get ready for the NFL, big guy!

Memo to defensive secondary - learn how to tackle.

But really ...we're a hockey school, anyway. Ranked #1!!!

 
Christo said:
Vladislav Tretiak said:
JohnDoe said:
The offense has been like this most of the season. I am not looking forward to the Bowl game. I figure that at 2nd in the Big 10 they will either play in the Citrus or Outback Bowl. BTW, Manningham has played like crap all day. Henne may be bad, but some of the blame needs to go to the wideouts.
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Isn't Illinois 2nd in the Big Ten?
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They both end up 6-2 in conference but Michigan gets the HTH nod.Looks like Capital One for Michigan and Outback for Illinois with SEC match-ups for both.
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There are no tie breaker rules in the Big 10. It's only the Rose Bowl that has rules for selecting who gets the Rose Bowl bid if there are Big 10 Co-Champions. As for the other Bowls, it's a 2nd pick, 3rd pick, 4th pick situation... meaning the Citrus Bowl and Outback Bowl don't have to take Michigan just because they tied with Illinois in the conference for 2nd place at 6-2 and Michigan beat Illinois head to head. The Citrus Bowl and Outback Bowl can select any Big 10 team they want, and would likley pick a 9-3 Illinois and 9-3 Wisconsin team before an 8-4 Michigan team... but they might take Michigan just because the name draws a bigger crowd... But then you've got to consider Penn State at 8-4 as well because their name draws a bigger crowd too. I wouldn't be expecting Michigan to play on New Years Day.
 
I have 2 very good friends that were in the tOSU band from 1992-1998. They went to the freaking Citrus Bowl so many times that the band members had shirts made to the effect of "We don't want to go back to the damn Citrus Bowl" in those glorious Cooper years when they went so often. :rolleyes:

 
Death Bytes said:
Christo said:
Vladislav Tretiak said:
JohnDoe said:
The offense has been like this most of the season. I am not looking forward to the Bowl game. I figure that at 2nd in the Big 10 they will either play in the Citrus or Outback Bowl. BTW, Manningham has played like crap all day. Henne may be bad, but some of the blame needs to go to the wideouts.
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Isn't Illinois 2nd in the Big Ten?
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They both end up 6-2 in conference but Michigan gets the HTH nod.Looks like Capital One for Michigan and Outback for Illinois with SEC match-ups for both.
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There are no tie breaker rules in the Big 10. It's only the Rose Bowl that has rules for selecting who gets the Rose Bowl bid if there are Big 10 Co-Champions. As for the other Bowls, it's a 2nd pick, 3rd pick, 4th pick situation... meaning the Citrus Bowl and Outback Bowl don't have to take Michigan just because they tied with Illinois in the conference for 2nd place at 6-2 and Michigan beat Illinois head to head. The Citrus Bowl and Outback Bowl can select any Big 10 team they want, and would likley pick a 9-3 Illinois and 9-3 Wisconsin team before an 8-4 Michigan team... but they might take Michigan just because the name draws a bigger crowd... But then you've got to consider Penn State at 8-4 as well because their name draws a bigger crowd too. I wouldn't be expecting Michigan to play on New Years Day.
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Michigan's name does not draw a bigger crowd. I think Wisconsin is the favorite for the Outback right now, but I'm pretty nervous about it.
 
Great rivalry but another boring game. I don't get all of the fuss.

I have been to Auburn Ala games and Oklahoma Texas games and I could feel the hate. My first Ohio St Michigan game today....not so much hate.

 
Congrats Buckeyes.

As for bowls I think it will depend on the match ups. If there is a compelling story for Wisconsin then they will get the nod over Michigan. I think Illinois is a lock to get taken over Michigan.

 
monkeysee said:
Great rivalry but another boring game. I don't get all of the fuss.

I have been to Auburn Ala games and Oklahoma Texas games and I could feel the hate. My first Ohio St Michigan game today....not so much hate.
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Yep, last year's OSU/Mich game was hideously boring too. :moneybag: P.S. Interesting way of classifying rivalries... by hate. Glad OSU/Mich isn't #1 in the hate dept. It is pretty much #1 in the rivalries dept. though.

 
Mad Cow said:
Death Bytes said:
Mad Cow said:
I have 2 very good friends that were in the tOSU band from 1992-1998.
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7 seasons?
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OK, 92-97. 6 seasons. You get 6 for band, since they had 4 undergrad and 2 at optometry.
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You might want to ask them how many years they were in the band. There's a limit, and it ain't six. And OSU only went to the Citrus Bowl 3 times in the 90's. In fact, OSU has only been to the Citrus Bowl 4 times in the school's history. It just happened that 3 of them occurred within a 4 year period.
 
The battle for Terrelle Pryor is on. Now that Rich Rodriguez is on board, me thinks UM may be the choice.

Mallett's exit opens the door for Michigan to grab super recruit Terrelle Pryor

January 9, 2008

Detroit Free Press

Now that new Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez says Ryan Mallett is going to transfer, the door is open for Terrelle Pryor.

Pryor, the nation's No. 1 ranked high school quarterback recruit, could be the piece that propels Michigan from a good program to an elite, national-title winning one.

Rodriguez runs a spread-option offense, and the 6-foot-7, 252-pound Mallet isn’t known for his mobility. The spread option demands a mobile quarterback with a quick release -- at least in Rodriguez’s version.

Pryor could be a perfect fit, and he could compete to start as a freshman -- a tantalizing factor that could lead him to choose the Wolverines.

Pryor has visited Ohio State and plans to visit Michigan this month. He might also visit Florida. But recruiting analyst Tom Lemming said Saturday it should come down to Ohio State or Michigan.

Pryor showed incredible athletic ability on Saturday as MVP of the Army All-American game, a high-school All-Star game. He ran for 76 yards and a score and threw for 79 and a score.

The 6-foot-6 star from Jeannette, Pa. proved why many compare him to another tall, dual-threat quarterback, Vince Young (6-5).

Ohio State's crushing loss to LSU in the national championship game on Monday night didn't hurt the Buckeyes' chances of landing Pryor, however.

“You can’t go by losses,” wrote Pryor, the nation’s top high school recruit, in a text message to the New York Times.

As of Tuesday afternoon, Pryor said he had not received a call from Ohio State Coach Jim Tressel or any Buckeyes assistants.

Asked if he was worried about the Buckeyes not having enough athletes, Pryor wrote, “Nope, not at all.”

Pryor is expected to announce his decision on signing day Feb. 6.
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Top high school quarterback will make one coach very happy

The Philadelphia Daily News

January 9, 2008

By Bill Conlin

He wants to start as a freshman. He wants the offense he runs to be a spread. Picture Pat White, West Virginia's elfin quarterback. White was the most exciting player in college this season. White is listed at 6-2, 185.

The one-loss Mountaineers were No. 2 in the polls and BCS standings when White went to the sideline with a dislocated thumb in a rivalry game against a so-so Pitt team. The junior's injury ended West Virginia's dream.

With a healthy White imitating quicksilver rolling downhill on glare ice, a Mountaineer team I believe is easily the equal of LSU or Ohio State annihilated heavily favored Oklahoma in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl. Some folks thought the Sooners were the best team in the land by the time the BCS roulette wheel stopped spinning. But White and the dynamic spread attack devised by departed coach Rich Rodriguez turned Oklahoma into a big bowl of jalapeno dip.

Now, picture a kid who towers 6-6, weighs a sculpted 230 pounds, runs with the power of an 18-wheeler and who posseses a rocket-launcher arm. Not only that, but, unlike Titans quarterback Vince Young, his physical analog, this amazing athlete throws a football with classic form. His judgment on when to run, when to pass and when to make decisions as a play unfolds underline the 3.5 grade-point average he carries at Jeannette High, out west in the football mother lode that produced Tony Dorsett, Joe Namath, Dan Marino, Joe Montana and enough Hall of Famers to fill a whole wing at Canton.

I am talking about Terrelle Pryor, of course . . .

Frankly, I had no prior knowledge of Pryor until Joe Santoliquito wrote about his exploits for the Daily News last month after he helped dismantle Dunmore in the PIAA Class AA championship game. I am always partial to athletes who leap over a defensive back into the end zone, which Pryor did as a sophomore on the way to becoming the first quarterback in state history to run and throw for more than 4,000 yards in each category.

Putting up incredible numbers at the high school level is one thing. I wondered how the nation's No. 1-rated prep player would showcase those skills on national TV last Saturday afternoon in the prestigious U.S.

Army All-American Game in San Antonio's Alamodome. The game is a coming-out party for the college-bound elite, BCS stars of the future on parade. During breaks in the action, some of the young stars snap on the hats of the colleges they will favor with their presence in 2008. Eight committed Saturday.

There was this plethora ofParade All-Americans, all-staters and all-everythings. There was enough muscle power on display to lift the Alamo itself. And jaw-dropping speed.

And then there was Terrelle Pryor, a man trifling with kids.

If Pryor had played every snap for the victorious East All-Stars, his 155 yards of total offense would have been impressive.

But he rotated with two other quarterbacks and the 79 yards he ran and 76 he passed, the TD he scored and the sensational 25-yard scoring pass he threw off his back leg from the right side of the field as he was getting hit into the left end zone amounted to a cameo. Before the game, he was named the Army National Player of the Year. After the game, he was handed the MVP trophy.

On Feb. 6, national signing day, Pryor could decide the next three BCS championships. I won't go past the 2010 season. Terrelle probably will be playing on Sundays by 2011.

He could put a national championship ring on the finger of Rodriguez next season. It is not a stretch to conclude that Pryor's short list of preferred

colleges, which includes Michigan, could have been an underlying factor in Rich's stunning decision to walk on his Mountaineer contract, which had 6 more years to run and an unresolved $4 million buyout clause.

Three Big Ten teams are on Pryor's list of five finalists - Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State. The other two are Florida and Oregon.

He showed up at the game Saturday wearing a Michigan jersey, apparently to get a rise out of some players with Ohio State commitments. Officials made him take it off. During the game, he had a Buckeye decal on his helmet. I looked hard but didn't see one of those blue Nittany Lion paw prints on his cheek. Not a Gator or Duck hint in sight.

With a full deck of talented receivers returning next season and a young offensive line that mauled Texas A & M, Terrelle Pryor could make one old man very happy in his final curtain drive to add a third national championship to his 42-year legacy.

But Joe Paterno has a long and consistent history of not serving quarterbacks before their time. He has, however, veered from Penn State's traditional smash-mouth tradition to accommodate a quarterback with exceptional running skills. But he didn't

install multitalented Michael Robinson as the Lions' clear starter until his senior season. That gifted team came within one blown end-zone coverage at Michigan from a possible national championship.

Anthony Morelli was widely recruited, chose Penn State and didn't win the job until 2006, his junior season. It is widely held that an offense loaded with skill-position talent underachieved under his quarterbacking.

Meanwhile, Rich Rodriguez has been busy turning the Wolverines' offense from a Humvee into a Formula One rocket.

If Terrelle Pryor winds up behind the wheel, prepare to be lavishly entertained.
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Will be interested to see how this plays out. Though it seems odd to me that he was interested in OSU (no offense meant). I get why he'd be interested in Florida, WVU or Oregon...all FEATURE the spread. What was his interest in OSU that didn't feature that offense? Honestly, I don't get why he wants to go to Michigan either...it will be a while before they have the personel to be effective imo. But what do I know??

 
wadegarrett said:
The battle for Terrelle Pryor is on. Now that Rich Rodriguez is on board, me thinks UM may be the choice.
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It's going to be one interesting month. Crazy to think it will seemingly come down to two rivals like Michigan-OSU. The decision could really impact the rivalry in the next few years.My gut is that he is going to come to Michigan, basically because the stars are pretty much aligned. Hopefully that isn't just homer optimism.
 
The Commish said:
Will be interested to see how this plays out. Though it seems odd to me that he was interested in OSU (no offense meant). I get why he'd be interested in Florida, WVU or Oregon...all FEATURE the spread. What was his interest in OSU that didn't feature that offense? Honestly, I don't get why he wants to go to Michigan either...it will be a while before they have the personel to be effective imo. But what do I know??
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I'm not sure about the OSU question. My first thought is winning. Maybe he sees is dominating the Big10 and how Tress has now been to the championship with three different styles of QBs/offenses. This past year did resemble Krenzel offense more than the Smith offense, just more open imo. I'm sure during conversations with OSU they pushed the right buttons about tailoring everything to Pryor, or else they wouldn't be in position to get him. Boeckmann can easily be moved aside for Pryor too.You mention personel...do you think Ohio State is any closer to the blueprint than Michigan?
 
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Bobcat10 said:
The Commish said:
Will be interested to see how this plays out. Though it seems odd to me that he was interested in OSU (no offense meant). I get why he'd be interested in Florida, WVU or Oregon...all FEATURE the spread. What was his interest in OSU that didn't feature that offense? Honestly, I don't get why he wants to go to Michigan either...it will be a while before they have the personel to be effective imo. But what do I know??
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I'm not sure about the OSU question. My first thought is winning. Maybe he sees is dominating the Big10 and how Tress has now been to the championship with three different styles of QBs/offenses. This past year did resemble Krenzel offense more than the Smith offense, just more open imo. I'm sure during conversations with OSU they pushed the right buttons about tailoring everything to Pryor, or else they wouldn't be in position to get him. Boeckmann can easily be moved aside for Pryor too.
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Do we even have to bring him back. :drive:
 
Peak said:
Bobcat10 said:
The Commish said:
Will be interested to see how this plays out. Though it seems odd to me that he was interested in OSU (no offense meant). I get why he'd be interested in Florida, WVU or Oregon...all FEATURE the spread. What was his interest in OSU that didn't feature that offense? Honestly, I don't get why he wants to go to Michigan either...it will be a while before they have the personel to be effective imo. But what do I know??
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I'm not sure about the OSU question. My first thought is winning. Maybe he sees is dominating the Big10 and how Tress has now been to the championship with three different styles of QBs/offenses. This past year did resemble Krenzel offense more than the Smith offense, just more open imo. I'm sure during conversations with OSU they pushed the right buttons about tailoring everything to Pryor, or else they wouldn't be in position to get him. Boeckmann can easily be moved aside for Pryor too.
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Do we even have to bring him back. :drive:
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My gut tells me Pryor v Henton next year if we miss out on the recruit.
 
I have to wonder what the spread offense will do to Michigan. On the one hand, you do well in college. On the other, spread offense players are downgraded when getting drafted and going to the pros, so their pro prospects are diminished. Players that are serious about going pro might be more hesitant to go to a school with that type of offense. OSU plays a pro offense and has a strong history of making pros. That could weigh on the decision. I am going to be very interested to see how the offense takes its toll on Michigan recruiting in the coming years. Manningham and Arrington leaving might make him hesitant, also. It sure would be easier walking into an offense with good WR's.

 
Bobcat10 said:
The Commish said:
Will be interested to see how this plays out. Though it seems odd to me that he was interested in OSU (no offense meant). I get why he'd be interested in Florida, WVU or Oregon...all FEATURE the spread. What was his interest in OSU that didn't feature that offense? Honestly, I don't get why he wants to go to Michigan either...it will be a while before they have the personel to be effective imo. But what do I know??
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I'm not sure about the OSU question. My first thought is winning. Maybe he sees is dominating the Big10 and how Tress has now been to the championship with three different styles of QBs/offenses. This past year did resemble Krenzel offense more than the Smith offense, just more open imo. I'm sure during conversations with OSU they pushed the right buttons about tailoring everything to Pryor, or else they wouldn't be in position to get him. Boeckmann can easily be moved aside for Pryor too.You mention personel...do you think Ohio State is any closer to the blueprint than Michigan?
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Other than showing more formations more frequently, no, I don't. OSU would serve themselves well to go to an "All Beanie all the time" offense for 2008. He's a beast and I don't know how you make both guys happy. Like I said, I am curious what his attraction is to either of these schools when Fl, Oregon and WVU are in the picture.
 
Mad Cow said:
I have to wonder what the spread offense will do to Michigan. On the one hand, you do well in college. On the other, spread offense players are downgraded when getting drafted and going to the pros, so their pro prospects are diminished. Players that are serious about going pro might be more hesitant to go to a school with that type of offense. OSU plays a pro offense and has a strong history of making pros. That could weigh on the decision. I am going to be very interested to see how the offense takes its toll on Michigan recruiting in the coming years. Manningham and Arrington leaving might make him hesitant, also. It sure would be easier walking into an offense with good WR's.
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Michigan still has Mathews who will be a pro and a couple young guys waiting for AA and MM to leave. The WR should be fine at UM. I would guess it would have the same effect on Michigan that it's had on all the teams that have moved to it...I don't really expect it to be an issue. You won't see guys like Brady coming from Michigan anymore. Time will tell on whether or not they continue to produce offensive/defensive linemen and other defensive players. Not sure why they wouldn't, but it's possible.
 
The Commish said:
Bobcat10 said:
The Commish said:
Will be interested to see how this plays out. Though it seems odd to me that he was interested in OSU (no offense meant). I get why he'd be interested in Florida, WVU or Oregon...all FEATURE the spread. What was his interest in OSU that didn't feature that offense? Honestly, I don't get why he wants to go to Michigan either...it will be a while before they have the personel to be effective imo. But what do I know??
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I'm not sure about the OSU question. My first thought is winning. Maybe he sees is dominating the Big10 and how Tress has now been to the championship with three different styles of QBs/offenses. This past year did resemble Krenzel offense more than the Smith offense, just more open imo. I'm sure during conversations with OSU they pushed the right buttons about tailoring everything to Pryor, or else they wouldn't be in position to get him. Boeckmann can easily be moved aside for Pryor too.You mention personel...do you think Ohio State is any closer to the blueprint than Michigan?
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Other than showing more formations more frequently, no, I don't. OSU would serve themselves well to go to an "All Beanie all the time" offense for 2008. He's a beast and I don't know how you make both guys happy. Like I said, I am curious what his attraction is to either of these schools when Fl, Oregon and WVU are in the picture.
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Troy Smith is the key. It's obvious that Tressell can run an offense with a mobile QB, and have great success.Seems to me that location may be his bbiggest factor. Coming from PA, FL and ORE may be too far from familly. :confused:
 
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with Rich Rod shunning Mallett he is setting up for disaster if he can't land Pryor........

or if Pryor is a bust..!!

 
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