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***OFFICIAL*** Patriots 2011 Season Thread (1 Viewer)

captain_amazing

captain_amazing

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Notable.....



Offseason Threads:

Patriots General Offseason Thread

Ochocinco Player Spotlight

Welker Player Spotlight

Brady Player Spotlight

Hernandez and Gronkowski Spotlight

Preseason Threads:

Patriots vs Jaguars (none)

Patriots @ Buccaneers

Patriots @ Lions (none)

Patriots vs Giants

David Yudkin's Pat's Projections

Season Threads:

wk1: Patriots @ Dolphins

wk2: Patriots vs Chargers

wk3: Patriots @ Bills

wk4: Patriots @ Oakland

wk5: Patriots vs Jets

wk6: Patriots vs Cowboys

wk7: BYE

wk8: Patriots @ Steelers

In Season Player Threads:

Hernandez

First Posted...

21 March 2011 - 03:53 PM "[Dynasty] Aaron Hernandez sell high"

29 August 2011 - 04:52 PM "Aaron Hernandez Guess who else had 8 targets?"

13 September 2011 - 01:58 PM "Aaron Hernandez is still the #2 TE in NE Depth chart updated"

19 September 2011 - 07:37 AM "Hernandez AND Gronkowski owners"

19 September 2011 - 11:56 AM "Hernandez sprained MCL OUT 1-2 weeks"

21 September 2011, 12:20 AM "New England's 2 TE Offense Impact of Losing Hernandez"

21 September 2011, 06:54 PM "Aaron Hernandez How is this a TD if Calvins wasn't?"

19 October 2011 - 02:25AM "Do we dare start Hernandez?"

Gronkowski

First Posted…

12 September 2011 - 09:17 PM "What is Gronkowski's Value?"

10 September 2011 - 08:50 PM "Hernandez vs Gronk who is the weekly play?"

08 September 2011 - 11:43 AM "Having both NE Tight Ends Smart decision or waste of bench spot?"

07 September 2011 - 01:22 PM "Gronkowski Week 1 Why is he ranked so low?"

07 September 2011 - 05:09 PM "Gronk vs Hernandez... how about both? Could you figure out the right rotation if you had both?"

06 September 2011 - 02:15 PM "Gronk and Gronk ? Dan joins bother Rob in New England"

18 September 2011 - 07:42 PM "Rob Gronkowski Is he the new Gates?"

25September 2011 - 09:02 AM "Rob Gronkowski - Removing the jynx"

Woodhead

First Posted...

11 September 2011 - 12:18 PM "Danny Woodhead his role on Monday"

19 August 2011 - 09:02 AM "Danny Woodhead...? Why is he being so drastically overlooked? Seems like great value..."

Brady

First Posted...

19 September 2011 - 10:34 AM "Tom Brady: Ex-Patriots "Don't Have A Clue" EXACTLY"

14 September 2011 - 07:09 PM "Brady to Fans 'Start drinking early'"

Branch

First Posted...

21 September 2011, 11:24 AM "No ones' talking about Branch....."

Ochocino

First Posted...

08 September 2011 - 09:13 AM "Ochocinco Startable Week 1 Or take wait and see approach?"

14 September 2011 - 10:17 AM"Tedi Bruschi rips Ochodeuce Brutal"

17 September 2011 - 02:48 PM "Will Ocho have a better Week 2?"

Price

First Posted...

27September 2011 - 07:18 PM "Taylor Price - Worth adding?"

Ridley

First Posted...

29 September 2011 - 09:50 AM "Stevan Ridley - The talented Mr. Ridley?"

Vereen

First Posted...

09 October 2011 - 08:24 AM "Vereen > Ridley"

BJGE

First Posted...

10October 2011 - 08:23 PM "BJGE going forward"

Other

First Posted...

30 August 2011 - 07:53 AM "Bill Belichick: A Football Life"

14 September 2011 - 11:30 AM "Pats top ranked D this week? according to FBG early rankings"

16 September 2011 - 09:04 PM "Vereen or Ridley Which Rookie Pat is the one to have"

20 September 2011 - 12:58 PM "Predicting Belichick - Can we beat him to the punch for FF match-ups?"

07 October 2011 - 06:51 PM "NE Pats Defense - With the Jets at home"

10 October 2011 - 08:16 AM "Patriots to take a look at Terrel Owens"

25 October 2011 - 01:55 PM "Patriots will beat Steelers by double digits"

05November 2011 - 08:20 AM "Patriots Running Game in 2012"

Thy Enemies

New York Jets 2011 Thread

I wanted a place with compiled notable threads for the Pats 2011 offseason, preseason, and in-season threads - and I figured others might like it as well. I'll try and keep this as updated as possible, but if there is a thread you'd like to see listed above, just post it below or DM me.

 
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Miami Game: Injury Report (9/10/11)

PATRIOTS



OUT:

Sebastian Vollmer



QST:

Mark Anderson

Kyle Arrington

Dan Connolly

Jermaine Cunningham

Dane Fletcher

Albert Haynesworth

Taylor Price

Stevan Ridley

Jeff Tarpinian

Shane Vereen

Sebastian Vollmer

Ryan Wendell

PRB:

Leigh Bodden

Julian Edelman

MIAMI

OUT:

Charles Clay (RB)

One comical note: Brady hasn't been listed on any of the injury reports, so far.

 
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'captain_amazing said:
Notable.....

Offseason Threads:

Patriots General Offseason Thread

Ochocinco Player Spotlight

Welker Player Spotlight

Brady Player Spotlight

Preseason Threads:

Patriots vs Jaguars

Patriots @ Buccaneers

Patriots @ Lions

Patriots vs Giants

David Yudkin's Pat's Projections



Season Threads:

Patriots @ Miami

I wanted a place with compiled notable threads for the Pats 2011 offseason, preseason, and in-season threads - and I figured others might like it as well. I'll try and keep this as updated as possible, but if there is a thread you'd like to see listed above, just post it below or DM me.
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Look forward to the game, should be interesting at the RB and WR position to see who shines. ANd the D-line of course. Miami seems to be always play the Pats tough...

 
PATRIOTS

OUT:

Sebastian Vollmer (Back)

This is certainly a cause for concern - I'm assuming this means that Solder will play at RT against Wake. Not really a match-up I'm looking forward to.

 
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Patriots Inactives:

Jermaine Cunningham

Ryan Mallett

Taylor Price

Brandon Spikes

Shane Vereen

Sebastian Vollmer

Ryan Wendell

I believe all but Mallett and Spikes are likely related to injuries. Spikes just recently got back to practice, so he may have needed a few more practices to be game day ready.



Dolphins Inactives:

Marlon Moore

Charles Clay

Daniel Thomas

Ikaika Alama-Francis

Ryan Cook

Will Yeatman

Ryan Baker

 
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Some notable Patriot topics after week 1:

Brady 5th all-time pass yards in 1 game (517).

Ocho with 1 reception, 2 looks, and an illegal formation penalty (that negated a rather big gain by Gronk, I believe). Saw very few snaps.

Defense still giving up a lot of passing yards - brought tons of pressure on Henne late.

Koppen out indefinitely with a broken ankle - Connolly performs admirably in his place.

Solder has little to no problem at RT against Wake.

BJGE saw few touches.

 
'@Ochocinco]Just waking up after a late arrival said:
'Teddy Bruschi on WEEI][SIZE=10px]Drop the awe factor said:
You are still in awe to be a member of the New England Patriots offense. Join the system, buddy. They need him to be a part of that jaw-dropping offense. Close your mouth. Put your hand under your chin and close your jaw. Then open your eyes and watch some film. That's what you need to do. If you're still in awe that means you don't get it because you don't understand it.
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I am of the belief that there is a lot of overreaction against Ochocinco and his absence from the offense during the preseason and week 1.

1. Presumably, he came from a system in Cincinnati where the offensive playbook was (1) significantly different from the Pats and (2) less complicated, especially in regards to terminology and audibles at the line (I'll try and dig up a link later for this).

2. He was in that system for his entire career before being traded to the Pats - 10 years. He is now 33. I

3. He has not been in the Pats system for that long (however, I think he has been in the system long enough to provide something more than he is providing now).

4. The Pats ran a no-huddle offense for most of the week 1 game - if he is having a hard time adjusting to system, there is no way he is going to be out on the field for the most complicated part of the Pats offense.

I don't think he will get cut at all, and I think he will end up contributing rather significantly next week, especially if they do not run the no-huddle as much as they did in week 1.

 
I don't see Ocho getting cut because they already shelled out at least $5 million to him. At this point, anyone that gets cut gets paid their salary for the entire season anyway.

I think most of the points being made about him are true. He has had trouble adjusting to the Pats system and until NE finds a way to account for that his numbers will be pretty marginal.

I think part of the problem is the coaching. They should have Ocho run say 15-20 routes that they know he can run and not ask him to have to change when they audible. That way, Brady would at least know Ocho would be in a certain spot. As he started to better grasp the offense, then they might be able to utilize him as an integrated piece of the offense.

I don't think the Pats will look at it that way and they probably will hope he can cram for an exam to learn the playbook and the requirements of how to adjust both for audibles at the line of scrimmage and where to go while the play is being run. The Pats offensive scheme is filled with hot reads . . . receivers are asked to do specific things when running a route and then adjust automatically based on the defensive coverage.

For example, the 99 TD to Welker was a read based on who was where on the field and since there was only single coverage, both Welker and Brady knew that Welker was to run a go route as there was no help. Ocho is not yet as aware of what he needs to do in the nonverbal communication department.

I think Ocho will be able to "get it" at some point, but it will take a while. Fantasy wise, I would let him languish for the first month of the season and then try to acquire him for pennies on the dollar. While he may not put up numbers like he did in Cincy, by the end of the year he might be fantasy startable again or at least a decent flex option.

By then, if your fantasy squad has guys that are banged up and possibly out for the year, acquiring someone for little to nothing (his current owners may get sick of his 2-28-0 fantasy weeks and cut him) might be the shark move.

But for now, I don't see 85 making a fantasy splash any time soon . . .

 
I was kind of surprised to not see Ridley at all, let alone Vereen but they'll see more action down the road. Woodhead seems close to breaking one on almost every run and will have some big games. Chads penalty cost Brady a big gain and maybe the single game record for yards, not that it really matters. Solder did great and the talk of him needing to be stronger etc may not be so true when he's matched up with these smaller speed rushers like Wake. Haynesworth looked good and made a one armed tackle, very impressive. Edelman made some good returns and should be effective in the offense. Tough to cover three players like Edelman, Welker and Woodhead. I really liked seeing the long pass to Sanders, that was a nice development seeing as Chad was not really involved and Sanders has the deep speed. No Trevor Price either. Andre Carter had a nice sack and the D line had pretty good pressure toward the later stages. How the old guys hold up is yet to be seen.

I think it may prove to be good that the Pats started on the road in Miami, a tough test. The jury on the secondary is still out and Ras I Dowling saw a lot of work... and a lot more to come against the Chargers. Needless to say, very optimistic about the 2011 version of the Pats, I think the rebuilding is over.

 
'AngryPatriot said:
I was kind of surprised to not see Ridley at all, let alone Vereen but they'll see more action down the road. Woodhead seems close to breaking one on almost every run and will have some big games. Chads penalty cost Brady a big gain and maybe the single game record for yards, not that it really matters. Solder did great and the talk of him needing to be stronger etc may not be so true when he's matched up with these smaller speed rushers like Wake. Haynesworth looked good and made a one armed tackle, very impressive. Edelman made some good returns and should be effective in the offense. Tough to cover three players like Edelman, Welker and Woodhead. I really liked seeing the long pass to Sanders, that was a nice development seeing as Chad was not really involved and Sanders has the deep speed. No Trevor Price either. Andre Carter had a nice sack and the D line had pretty good pressure toward the later stages. How the old guys hold up is yet to be seen.

I think it may prove to be good that the Pats started on the road in Miami, a tough test. The jury on the secondary is still out and Ras I Dowling saw a lot of work... and a lot more to come against the Chargers. Needless to say, very optimistic about the 2011 version of the Pats, I think the rebuilding is over.
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You are either making a joke that is going way over my head (which is probably the case), or you mean Slater for Sanders and Taylor for Trevor. Either way - I agree with your general points.
 
David - what did you think of Slater's involvement? I know he has had limited involvement in the offense, but based on his week 1 performance do you see him emerging as someone that could have or will have a larger and more consistent presence in the offense, either this season or possibly next?

 
Yup, sorry, had Sanders on the mind... Slater. I think Chad's time will come as he fits in more and more. It's pretty sweet to have Chad in the wings when you basically put up 517/4 w/out him, win-win imo.

 
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Yup, sorry, had Sanders on the mind... Slater. I think Chad's time will come as he fits in more and more. It's pretty sweet to have Chad in the wings when you basically put up 517/4 w/out him, win-win imo.
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Definitely. I can understand why Sanders is on the mind. 416 passing yards by Henne? I'm dreaming of some secondary improvement too.
 
Pats sign Daniel Thomas for OL depth... probably play behind Waters..

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Offensive lineman Donald Thomas called the recent stretch of his career a "bumpy ride", but he's hoping his arrival in New England is the start of something less turbulent.

Mike Reiss/ESPN Boston

Donald Thomas at his locker Wednesday at Gillette Stadium.

"It's a great opportunity," he said.

Thomas entered the NFL as a sixth-round draft choice of the Dolphins in 2008. He was quickly elevated into the starting lineup in his first training camp, but sustained a season-ending foot injury in the opener that year, before returning in 2009 and started 12 games. He hooked on with the Lions in 2010, but hasn't played since the '09 season.

In New England, the 6-foot-4, 310-pound Thomas adds depth to the interior offensive line, where center Dan Koppen is out after fracturing his left ankle in Monday's season opener. The Patriots plan to move Dan Connolly from guard to center, and now Thomas gives them another option at guard along with starter Brian Waters and reserve Ryan Wendell.

"Me and Brian Waters were just eating lunch and going over the playbook," Thomas relayed. "The good part about it is that this offense is a lot similar to what I'm used to running in Miami, so I'm able to pick up some of the schemes."

As for being back in New England, the graduate of New Haven (Conn.) High School is excited.

"It's great. I never thought I'd be able to play this close to him, two hours away from where I grew up," the former UConn star said. "My family is really happy that I'm close by. It feels good to get four seasons again."

Coach Bill Belichick detailed what the Patriots see in Thomas.

"We played against him in preseason [vs. Detroit], worked him out here last week. Strong, good physical player who has played inside, but also has a little bit of experience playing tackle," he said. "So we’ll work with him and see how it goes."

 
Great game today - still weary about the D, though. I only caught the second half, but it seemed like didn't have much of a consistent pass rush.

 
'captain_amazing said:
David - what did you think of Slater's involvement? I know he has had limited involvement in the offense, but based on his week 1 performance do you see him emerging as someone that could have or will have a larger and more consistent presence in the offense, either this season or possibly next?
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Did not see this post before. I think they will throw it deep to Slater once in a while, but not enough for him to be all that useful fantasy wise. I don't think he will be a mainstay in the offense and I doubt he will be targeted often. Basically, a change of pace to keep defenses honest now and again.
 
'David Yudkin said:
'captain_amazing said:
David - what did you think of Slater's involvement? I know he has had limited involvement in the offense, but based on his week 1 performance do you see him emerging as someone that could have or will have a larger and more consistent presence in the offense, either this season or possibly next?
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Did not see this post before. I think they will throw it deep to Slater once in a while, but not enough for him to be all that useful fantasy wise. I don't think he will be a mainstay in the offense and I doubt he will be targeted often. Basically, a change of pace to keep defenses honest now and again.
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Thanks David - pretty much what I figured.
 
Bills vs Pats Injury Report

Pats

OUT

Hernandez

Vollmer

Wright

Updated:

Haynesworth

Chung

Price

QST

Chung

Dowling

Guyton

Haynesworth

Mayo

Mesko

Price

Wendell

PRB

Arrington

Barrett

Bodden

Fletcher

Dolphins

OUT

McGee

Morrison

Parrish

Urbik

PRB

Spenser Johnson

Stevie Johnson

Troup

 
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'Run It Up said:
'captain_amazing said:
Chung, Haynesworth, and Price will also be OUT for tomorrow.
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Any word on if Chung will be available for week 4?
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That could be up in the air at this point - Chung had surgery on his thumb (the right one, I believe) where he sustained an injury in last week's game against the Chargers (I don't know what kind of surgery, though). Some sounded hopeful that he would play today, as he has a cast over his right arm protecting his thumb - so he could still run around, tackle, and bat balls away. But, the Pats obviously felt inclined to rest him this week.I guess I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't available for week 4 - but I couldn't imagine him being out any longer.

 
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Well, I was just trying to write-up some thoughts about the game, but my browser decided to close after the 3rd paragraph. So, I'll summarize -

1. After holding out hope, I think the idea of Ochocinco being a big factor on this team is done. With Hernandez out today (and Price), he, the Pats, and we as fans knew he needed to step up and make some plays. In fact, he did the opposite, being responsible for a big INT (Brady's 2nd) and dropping a sure catch that would have been a much needed TD late in the game. If Price is healthy at all this season, I would be more than happy to see him start over Ochocinco.

2. Brady's 4 INTs will be made a big deal, but I don't think they are. I think he is responsible for 2 INTs - the 1st being 50/50, as it was a tipped ball on an off target throw and an incredibly athletic INT. The 2nd was all on Ochocinco, fading out on the cross route. The 3rd was all on Brady, forcing a pass in tight coverage to Gronk (mostly off target - a little higher and further and it would have been Gronks). The 4th was also 50/50 - with Brady's pass being tipped up by a jumping DL and turned into a pick 6. I think Brady will be fine, and other than the INT I would personally blame on him, he played really well, given Ocho's ineffectiveness and the overall stagnation and inconsistency of the running game.

3. The atrocious D. While turn overs are fine and dandy, and so many people think the Pats D is actually good because they can get turn overs and put up big FF numbers, they are TERRIBLE. McCourty has been awful in man coverage, getting smoked at the line. Big play after big play of the Bills was killing the Pats. Even the Pat's run stopping defensive, which has been pretty good, was awful. Absolutely no effective pass rush (unless you include the rush attempts when Fitz was attempting to kneel with the ball at the end of the game). Just :X .

4. Second halves. This was eerily reminiscent of 2009 where they couldn't win a game in the 2nd half for the life of them. They would give up giant leads in the 2nd half. This can't happen if they don't want every Pats fan to develop an ulcer.

Overall - this Pats D is awful, Brady's picks will be overblown, Chad should do TV full time, and the coaching staff needs to keep keep this team from blowing giant 1st half leads.

Ugh....

 
I think it would be an overreaction to give up on Chad already (I think he will take the majority of the criticism this week an not brady), but also wouldnt be surprised to see him cut tomorrow.

I think the biggest factor in this game was the Patriots interception of Fitzpatrick overturned by the liberal pass interference call. Was a close call but cant win them all.

 
'Run It Up said:
I think it would be an overreaction to give up on Chad already (I think he will take the majority of the criticism this week an not brady), but also wouldnt be surprised to see him cut tomorrow.I think the biggest factor in this game was the Patriots interception of Fitzpatrick overturned by the liberal pass interference call. Was a close call but cant win them all.
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You're probably right about Chad - but how long do you give him? 4 weeks? 8 weeks? 12 weeks? I just have not seen anything that gives me the slightest bit of hope, and I think the strongest evidence for the case in giving up on him has been Brady's nonexistent chemistry with him, both on the field and on the sidelines.On your second point - if you are talking about the single biggest play in the game, then I'd be inclined to agree with you, but an argument could be made for the pick 6 as the biggest play in the game. As far as the biggest factor - I'd chalk that up to the terrible overall play of McCourty and Bodden, and couple that with the impotent pass rush.
 
'captain_amazing said:
'Run It Up said:
I think it would be an overreaction to give up on Chad already (I think he will take the majority of the criticism this week an not brady), but also wouldnt be surprised to see him cut tomorrow.I think the biggest factor in this game was the Patriots interception of Fitzpatrick overturned by the liberal pass interference call. Was a close call but cant win them all.
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You're probably right about Chad - but how long do you give him? 4 weeks? 8 weeks? 12 weeks? I just have not seen anything that gives me the slightest bit of hope, and I think the strongest evidence for the case in giving up on him has been Brady's nonexistent chemistry with him, both on the field and on the sidelines.On your second point - if you are talking about the single biggest play in the game, then I'd be inclined to agree with you, but an argument could be made for the pick 6 as the biggest play in the game. As far as the biggest factor - I'd chalk that up to the terrible overall play of McCourty and Bodden, and couple that with the impotent pass rush.
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My opinion of Chad so far is the sample size isnt sufficient, the drop and interception were both entirely his fault but hes been on the field for what - 30 plays? I think he is still an NFL quality receiver, but that isnt the same as a New England Patriot quality.Eh, im in the minority on the performance of the Pats D, their Pass rush forced every one of the Bill interceptions. The secondary is gonna continue to struggle imo until Chung gets back.Side note: Brady AVG 442.3 YPG - 3.66 TD per game (extrapolated over full season: 5749.9 Yds and 47.5 TDs)
 
'Run It Up said:
'captain_amazing said:
'Run It Up said:
I think it would be an overreaction to give up on Chad already (I think he will take the majority of the criticism this week an not brady), but also wouldnt be surprised to see him cut tomorrow.I think the biggest factor in this game was the Patriots interception of Fitzpatrick overturned by the liberal pass interference call. Was a close call but cant win them all.
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You're probably right about Chad - but how long do you give him? 4 weeks? 8 weeks? 12 weeks? I just have not seen anything that gives me the slightest bit of hope, and I think the strongest evidence for the case in giving up on him has been Brady's nonexistent chemistry with him, both on the field and on the sidelines.On your second point - if you are talking about the single biggest play in the game, then I'd be inclined to agree with you, but an argument could be made for the pick 6 as the biggest play in the game. As far as the biggest factor - I'd chalk that up to the terrible overall play of McCourty and Bodden, and couple that with the impotent pass rush.
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My opinion of Chad so far is the sample size isnt sufficient, the drop and interception were both entirely his fault but hes been on the field for what - 30 plays? I think he is still an NFL quality receiver, but that isnt the same as a New England Patriot quality.Eh, im in the minority on the performance of the Pats D, their Pass rush forced every one of the Bill interceptions. The secondary is gonna continue to struggle imo until Chung gets back.Side note: Brady AVG 442.3 YPG - 3.66 TD per game (extrapolated over full season: 5749.9 Yds and 47.5 TDs)
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I wasn't so attentive to what the cause was of the INTs, so I'll assume you are correct. If that is the case, then I could have a little more optimism in regards to the pass rush. With your point on Chung - he was playing during the past 2 games when the Patriots struggled. While Chung is significantly better than Barrett and Brown, I don't think the secondary is going to have any significant changes in regards to its struggles once he is healthy and back on the field. I'm not sure who should get the blame more for the issues in the secondary, though, the corners or the safeties (or the coaching staff)? While I'm still not that impressed with the pass rush, I don't think it is the core of the Patriots problems (as many, including I, believed it was last year). I think it is clear that Bodden and McCourty are struggling at this point, but are they not getting some expected help over the top or the middle from the safeties? I'm wondering if anyone else has some insight...
 
'captain_amazing said:
2. Brady's 4 INTs will be made a big deal,
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Why would this be a big story? Sure, Brady had a bad day today, but it's not like he isn't an MVP candidate, and it isn't like he's getting benched for Mallet any time soon. Any NE fans who complain about this need to be beaten with a tire iron or something.
 
'IvanKaramazov said:
'captain_amazing said:
2. Brady's 4 INTs will be made a big deal,
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Why would this be a big story? Sure, Brady had a bad day today, but it's not like he isn't an MVP candidate, and it isn't like he's getting benched for Mallet any time soon. Any NE fans who complain about this need to be beaten with a tire iron or something.
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Im not complaining but I wouldnt go that far. Without just 1 of these picks the Pats would have won this game more than likely, 2 or 3 and it could have been a blowout.
 
'Run It Up said:
'IvanKaramazov said:
'captain_amazing said:
2. Brady's 4 INTs will be made a big deal,
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Why would this be a big story? Sure, Brady had a bad day today, but it's not like he isn't an MVP candidate, and it isn't like he's getting benched for Mallet any time soon. Any NE fans who complain about this need to be beaten with a tire iron or something.
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Im not complaining but I wouldnt go that far. Without just 1 of these picks the Pats would have won this game more than likely, 2 or 3 and it could have been a blowout.
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Agreed - Bills scored something around 24 points off of turnovers. I'm assuming that general sports media will try and make a big deal out of this, not NE fans, but maybe not. I don't even think he had a bad day as much as he had an unlucky one.
 
'Run It Up said:
Eh, im in the minority on the performance of the Pats D, their Pass rush forced every one of the Bill interceptions. The secondary is gonna continue to struggle imo until Chung gets back.
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Fitzpatrick left the game with a clean uni. No sacks, no knockdowns (that I recall). Facing an immobile QB in week 2, they should have done better than the 2 sacks with pressure up the middle. I just haven't seen any QB pressure except in that preseason game against the Bucs where Andre Carter went nuts.Hoping for improvement... expecting that TB12 is going to have to put up 35 every week to win. :angry:
 
'Shamwow said:
Yep without the picks and I had a chance today. When is Hernandez coming back?
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Well, last week it was reported that Hernandez should be out 1-2 weeks. So, I think once the injury report comes out Wednesday, we should have a better idea if Hernandez will be back this week, or if he will be out another week.
 
'captain_amazing said:
'Shamwow said:
Yep without the picks and I had a chance today. When is Hernandez coming back?
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Well, last week it was reported that Hernandez should be out 1-2 weeks. So, I think once the injury report comes out Wednesday, we should have a better idea if Hernandez will be back this week, or if he will be out another week.
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Hernandez said his goal is to play Week 5 against the Jets.
 
I think we see just a little bit of Price today - nothing major, maybe just 3-4 snaps. I'm interested to see if he gets any looks and, if so, if he can make something big out of his opportunities.

 
Yikes!

One positive out of today's game: NE fans won't have to suffer the "Patriots at home have a 3_ game winning streak" stat line before a freakin' home game again.

 
Pats biggest problem so far has been turnovers. Here is the breakdown in games with turnovers in the BB/Brady era going back to 2001:

4 or more turnovers: 3-14 (.176)

3 or more turnovers: 14-24 (.368)

137-32 (.811) when they don't have 4 or more turnovers

126-22 (.851) when they don't have 3 turnovers

 
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