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=== Official PICK 2 redraft thread === (1 Viewer)

joey

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I'm in 12 team non-ppr leagues, but I know ppr is more en vogue, so I'm fine with discussing 2 draft slot thoughts for either non-ppr or ppr.

Here's what I'm seeing after a few mocks...

1.2 - grab your favorite RB (I assume DJ goes 1.1, so I'm taking Bell or Zeke, depending on holdout or suspension news)

2.11 and 3.2 - can't believe I'm saying this, but this is already where it gets hard. I kind of hate all the options at RB and WR at this turn but liking what I'm seeing at the 4/5 turn in terms of value at RB and WR. And I don't expect Rodgers to make it to 2.11, which would give me the safest, studly pick (even though I *hate* taking QBs that early).

Another note about my league setups, they're not TE-mandatory (old school, baby), so I'm not looking at Gronk or Kelce or whoever else in these rounds.

My mocks look best to me if I got WR/WR at the 2/3 turn (2 of Hilton/Dez, if they drop there, or Baldwin/Cooper/Cooks/Hopkins/DT)...jeez, I only like a couple of those WRs even. Yuck, the 2nd and 3rd rounds stink.

Then I grab value/upside at RB at the 4/5 turn. Some combo of Ware/Ty/Cooks/CJ Anderson. Ugh. that stinks too.  The WRs in that range I actually like a bit are Pryor/Adams/Crabtree, so maybe staying flexible by going some combo of RB/WR at 2/3 let's me do the same at 4/5.

I expect to take BestQBAvailable at the 6/7 turn plus BPA at RB or WR.

a bit stream of consciousness there, but hopefully it gets the conversation started. Any thoughts from this quiet and unopinionated group? ;)

 
I'm prob going 2 wr with my second and third round picks unless insane RB value falls.  I think it's too early for a QB.  Gronk if he falls....

 
need2know said:
I'm prob going 2 wr with my second and third round picks unless insane RB value falls.  I think it's too early for a QB.  Gronk if he falls....
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totally agree. the likes of Lynch, Crowell and Gurley don't exactly make me want to grab my 2nd RB at the 2/3 turn.

that said, if I go WR at 2.11. Then one of those 3 RBs make it to my 3.2, I might just take a swing especially considering the nice WR value I feel might be there at the 4/5 turn.

 
joey said:
totally agree. the likes of Lynch, Crowell and Gurley don't exactly make me want to grab my 2nd RB at the 2/3 turn.

that said, if I go WR at 2.11. Then one of those 3 RBs make it to my 3.2, I might just take a swing especially considering the nice WR value I feel might be there at the 4/5 turn.
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im really hoping to get a good wr and cooks.....

 
totally agree. the likes of Lynch, Crowell and Gurley don't exactly make me want to grab my 2nd RB at the 2/3 turn.

this exactly.  A. Brown should be in the discussion here for the second pick although I would probably not pick a RB then until 4/5 turn.  Just not sold on the RB's mentioned above.   Some more clarity should come out in the next few preseason games but it's too hard not to salivate about our upcoming would be fantasy teams.

 
Hard to not go WR/WR here because none of the great RB's will come close to falling that far.

I've been going Cooks/Baldwin when possible.

 
Take Bell/DJ at 2. Hope Rodgers or Gronk make it back to you. It's all about positional advantage. If you get Gronk or Rodgers, you enter every week with an advantage that cannot be made up. Of course, injuries are always the great equalizer, but that is a great 1-2 punch. WR is very deep this year and no RB is worth picking at 2.11 if you already have one of the big 2.

 
Ack88 said:
Take Bell/DJ at 2. Hope Rodgers or Gronk make it back to you. It's all about positional advantage. If you get Gronk or Rodgers, you enter every week with an advantage that cannot be made up. Of course, injuries are always the great equalizer, but that is a great 1-2 punch. WR is very deep this year and no RB is worth picking at 2.11 if you already have one of the big 2.
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I have toyed with going Brady and either gronk/cooks

 
I guess our choice at 1.2 just got simpler: one of DJ or Bell since Elliot out 6 games.

It's still rounds 2/3/4/5 that are killing me.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Bell or DJ in the 1st.

Zeke in the 2nd.

Championshiiiiiiiiiiip
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Let's follow this line of thinking with latest ADP info...(non-prr, non-TE-mandatory for my league)

1 DJ/Bell

2 Zeke

3 WR - Baldwin/Cooks/Hopkins/DThomas (I only like the 1st 2 in that list)

4 WR - Adams/Pryor/Crabtree/Hill/Edelman

5 RB - Ware/Mixon/Cook/CJ Anderson

assuming I'll take a QB at the 6/7 turn and BPA between a WR or RB

so you have to ride one of those round 5 RBs for 6 weeks. Man, that's gutsy!

 
joey said:
Let's follow this line of thinking with latest ADP info...(non-prr, non-TE-mandatory for my league)

1 DJ/Bell

2 Zeke

3 WR - Baldwin/Cooks/Hopkins/DThomas (I only like the 1st 2 in that list)

4 WR - Adams/Pryor/Crabtree/Hill/Edelman

5 RB - Ware/Mixon/Cook/CJ Anderson

assuming I'll take a QB at the 6/7 turn and BPA between a WR or RB

so you have to ride one of those round 5 RBs for 6 weeks. Man, that's gutsy!
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If Zeke is there I'm taking him.  It may go to 4 games.  My draft is the 23rd

 
need2know said:
I'm prob going 2 wr with my second and third round picks unless insane RB value falls.  I think it's too early for a QB.  Gronk if he falls....
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this is what i am doing unless zeke is there.  i like baldwin, cooper, cooks, hopkins in there.

for 4/5 i am looking at tate and then if i didnt get zeke someone like ware, powell, to shore up rb.

6/7 looking at rudolf and maybe winston, or maybe another wr.

8/9 like qb if i didnt get winston and rb like west or wr like meredith.

10 has nice value like matthews, m wallace, duke johnson.

 
Opinions on Gurley in the 2nd if he's there?  It's been happening in mocks and I think his bounce back is just as likely as Hopkins who you have more of chance to get with the 3rd pick.......along the likes of Baldwin or Pryor.

 
16 team league..pick 2. Went Bell, Brady, and then McCaffrey. Was debating about Gurley pick he got picked so McCaffrey it was.

 
I guess I should clarify.  I'm in a 12 teamer where we only start 1RB and 1 WR with 2 flex.  I could see Gurley bouncing back better points wise.  Still have a chance at Hopkins, Baldwin, Cooks, and Pryor with your 3rd.

 
shifty said:
16 team league..pick 2. Went Bell, Brady, and then McCaffrey. Was debating about Gurley pick he got picked so McCaffrey it was.
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McCaffrey before a WR1?  No thanks.  His price is way too high considering the committee he's in.  Training camp hype at this point.

 
Picked 2 in a low stakes, 12 teamer on Sunday. Took Bell/M.Thomas/Cooks to start. Could have had Rodgers but wanted the WR's. Took Cousins and Carr at QB later. Like my team in general but not tremendous at RB after Bell if i'm honest. Hated the RB's at the 2/3 turn, all that was left really was Gurley, Crowell and the rookies (not Fournette).

 
LionOfGosforth said:
Picked 2 in a low stakes, 12 teamer on Sunday. Took Bell/M.Thomas/Cooks to start. Could have had Rodgers but wanted the WR's. Took Cousins and Carr at QB later. Like my team in general but not tremendous at RB after Bell if i'm honest. Hated the RB's at the 2/3 turn, all that was left really was Gurley, Crowell and the rookies (not Fournette).
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Thomas and cooks is an awesome wr duo.  Nice work

 
LionOfGosforth said:
Picked 2 in a low stakes, 12 teamer on Sunday. Took Bell/M.Thomas/Cooks to start. Could have had Rodgers but wanted the WR's. Took Cousins and Carr at QB later. Like my team in general but not tremendous at RB after Bell if i'm honest. Hated the RB's at the 2/3 turn, all that was left really was Gurley, Crowell and the rookies (not Fournette).
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which RBs did you end up with and in which rounds did you take them?

 
LionOfGosforth said:
Picked 2 in a low stakes, 12 teamer on Sunday. Took Bell/M.Thomas/Cooks to start. Could have had Rodgers but wanted the WR's. Took Cousins and Carr at QB later. Like my team in general but not tremendous at RB after Bell if i'm honest. Hated the RB's at the 2/3 turn, all that was left really was Gurley, Crowell and the rookies (not Fournette).
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Sounds like alot of people went rb rb in first 2 rounds

 
joey said:
which RBs did you end up with and in which rounds did you take them?
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Think Mixon, Blount, Martin, Henry, J.Hill in that order. Rounds 5,6,8,9 and 11. Took Kelce in round 4, Fitz round 7. First draft of the year, might have done it differently with hindsight.

 
I think that looks like a nice group of RBs to find an RB2 for the season. Sounds like a good draft to me. 

 
 I would have to think going off in the 2 slot, you get LeVeon Bell. You may get DJ, but regardless its the second and 3rd picks are where it gets interesting.

 I am always, ALWAYS going WR-WR here at your 2-3 turn. Its going to depend on exactly what wideouts are sitting there, but how can Demaryius Thomas NOT find his way onto any squad like this...?  He may not be the flashy "top 4-5ish WR" from a few years ago, but he is about as rock solid as an  WR2+ as you can get, and we all know the numbers he is capable of.

Simply pick your poison for the other WR you snag in either 2 or 3. Amari Cooper?.... In fact you may want to try for the upside shot here, Cooks maybe??  I am not terribly high on Cooks due to the mouths to feed there, but I can see pairing him with DT, or someone else with a solid high floor like that.

 (Be aware the leagues I play in are start 3WRs, so I try and nail down 2 elite WRs and proceed from there)

Quick Edit - I went back and read a few of the posts I had skipped. They line up exactly with what I thought about DT etc.....

 TZM

 
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TZMarkie said:
 I would have to think going off in the 2 slot, you get LeVeon Bell. You may get DJ, but regardless its the second and 3rd picks are where it gets interesting.

 I am always, ALWAYS going WR-WR here at your 2-3 turn. Its going to depend on exactly what wideouts are sitting there, but how can Demaryius Thomas NOT find his way onto any squad like this...?  He may not be the flashy "top 4-5ish WR" from a few years ago, but he is about as rock solid as an  WR2+ as you can get, and we all know the numbers he is capable of.

Simply pick your poison for the other WR you snag in either 2 or 3. Amari Cooper?.... In fact you may want to try for the upside shot here, Cooks maybe??  I am not terribly high on Cooks due to the mouths to feed there, but I can see pairing him with DT, or someone else with a solid high floor like that.

 (Be aware the leagues I play in are start 3WRs, so I try and nail down 2 elite WRs and proceed from there)

Quick Edit - I went back and read a few of the posts I had skipped. They line up exactly with what I thought about DT etc.....

 TZM
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Agree on DT. I took M.Thomas before him at 2.11, the guy at 1 took him at the turn, or I likely would have preferred him to Cooks at 3.2.

 
SproutDaddy said:
Amazed Michael Thomas would fall to 2.11.  As a Saints' fan I'd be ecstatic.
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I'm sure not typical, I was a little surprised. Was also thrown by Fournette (before Murray) going early second but maybe his ADP has crept higher than I realized. People seem to draft the rookie RB's earlier and earlier each year.

 
I'm hoping for one of Thomas, Dez, Hilton to drop to me but ADP data says otherwise.

The mocks I've done tend to end up with my going Bell, Baldwin in the first 2 rounds.

Then, in the 3rd, if Miller makes it back past the turn, I'll take him as my RB2. Or I go with one of the WRs like DT or Cooks.

Not a bad start I guess if it goes that way. But I'd feel much better if one of the first 3 WRs I mentioned somehow fell to me at 2.11.

 
joey said:
I'm hoping for one of Thomas, Dez, Hilton to drop to me but ADP data says otherwise.

The mocks I've done tend to end up with my going Bell, Baldwin in the first 2 rounds.

Then, in the 3rd, if Miller makes it back past the turn, I'll take him as my RB2. Or I go with one of the WRs like DT or Cooks.

Not a bad start I guess if it goes that way. But I'd feel much better if one of the first 3 WRs I mentioned somehow fell to me at 2.11.
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Thomas is usually always there when I'm mocking

 
Thomas, Cooks, Baldwin, Cooper and Hilton all gone in my draft there.

Best option was Hopkins, and do not like D Thomas at all. 

 
bagger said:
Thomas, Cooks, Baldwin, Cooper and Hilton all gone in my draft there.

Best option was Hopkins, and do not like D Thomas at all. 
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Can you share your draft results from the 2 slot? Even if just the first 7 or 8 rounds. I'd be interested to see that. Thanks

 
bagger said:
Thomas, Cooks, Baldwin, Cooper and Hilton all gone in my draft there.

Best option was Hopkins, and do not like D Thomas at all. 
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Yeah what wr were there?  Dez?  Gronk? Prob have to take another RB there....

Thomas is a tough one.  Not much upside.  Might be better to go RB/QB and just be stacked at those positions

 
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joey said:
Can you share your draft results from the 2 slot? Even if just the first 7 or 8 rounds. I'd be interested to see that. Thanks
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I went:

1.2 Bell (RB)

2.11 Elliott (RB)

3.02 Landry (WR)

4.11 Crabtree (WR)

5.02 Hill (WR)

6.11 Powell (RB)

7.02 Walker (TE)

8.11 Prescott (QB)

9.02 Thielen (WR)

10.11 Wallace (WR)

11.02 J Rodgers (RB)

Really wanted a West, White, Duke Johnson around my 8/9 picks but there was a run so went with WR depth which I was ok with. Wanted Rodgers as additional early season depth with him starting.

 
bagger said:
I went:

1.2 Bell (RB)

2.11 Elliott (RB)

3.02 Landry (WR)

4.11 Crabtree (WR)

5.02 Hill (WR)

6.11 Powell (RB)

7.02 Walker (TE)

8.11 Prescott (QB)

9.02 Thielen (WR)

10.11 Wallace (WR)

11.02 J Rodgers (RB)

Really wanted a West, White, Duke Johnson around my 8/9 picks but there was a run so went with WR depth which I was ok with. Wanted Rodgers as additional early season depth with him starting.
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Ah, the Zeke strategy a 2.11. Very nice. I actually love the results of your draft not knowing all the details and it's really great to see those results. Thanks for sharing that.

If Zeke falls to me at 2.11, I think I would employ a similar strategy (ie. RB/RB/WR/WR/WR in the first 5 rounds) and I love the call out of Rodgers as a nice cheap way to cover for part of Zeke's suspension early in the season. My 1.2 draft slot is in a league that's not TE-mandatory, so I could see me using that 7th slot on another RB or go QB at 7.2 and RB on the way back in the 8th. thanks for sharing!

Anyone else using the Draft Dominator app to mock? I haven't gone in and tweak per-owner draft preferences (maybe trying to move a subset of owners away from FBG rankings and more towards ADP) but I haven't seen Zeke get past the early 2nd round in every single mock I'm blasting through.That result lines up with FBG ADP info last updated Aug 12, I guess, so it'll depend on REAL league owners proclivity to take on that risk, of course. Would both love and hate being faced with that Zeke choice at 2.11.

 
joey said:
Ah, the Zeke strategy a 2.11. Very nice. I actually love the results of your draft not knowing all the details and it's really great to see those results. Thanks for sharing that.

If Zeke falls to me at 2.11, I think I would employ a similar strategy (ie. RB/RB/WR/WR/WR in the first 5 rounds) and I love the call out of Rodgers as a nice cheap way to cover for part of Zeke's suspension early in the season. My 1.2 draft slot is in a league that's not TE-mandatory, so I could see me using that 7th slot on another RB or go QB at 7.2 and RB on the way back in the 8th. thanks for sharing!

Anyone else using the Draft Dominator app to mock? I haven't gone in and tweak per-owner draft preferences (maybe trying to move a subset of owners away from FBG rankings and more towards ADP) but I haven't seen Zeke get past the early 2nd round in every single mock I'm blasting through.That result lines up with FBG ADP info last updated Aug 12, I guess, so it'll depend on REAL league owners proclivity to take on that risk, of course. Would both love and hate being faced with that Zeke choice at 2.11.
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The mocking with DD isn't the best.  

It's really hard to factor in reaches and bad picks

 
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joey said:
Ah, the Zeke strategy a 2.11. Very nice. I actually love the results of your draft not knowing all the details and it's really great to see those results. Thanks for sharing that.

If Zeke falls to me at 2.11, I think I would employ a similar strategy (ie. RB/RB/WR/WR/WR in the first 5 rounds) and I love the call out of Rodgers as a nice cheap way to cover for part of Zeke's suspension early in the season. My 1.2 draft slot is in a league that's not TE-mandatory, so I could see me using that 7th slot on another RB or go QB at 7.2 and RB on the way back in the 8th. thanks for sharing!

Anyone else using the Draft Dominator app to mock? I haven't gone in and tweak per-owner draft preferences (maybe trying to move a subset of owners away from FBG rankings and more towards ADP) but I haven't seen Zeke get past the early 2nd round in every single mock I'm blasting through.That result lines up with FBG ADP info last updated Aug 12, I guess, so it'll depend on REAL league owners proclivity to take on that risk, of course. Would both love and hate being faced with that Zeke choice at 2.11.
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I use the classic DD to mock exclusively. It's helpful to track the draft as well but it's a great tool to see where pockets of value are. It can really help form in the skeleton for how your draft will look by position although obviously things will fluctuate as your draft plays out.

i was hoping someone else would have grabbed zeke so I didn't have to choose...Hilton actually fell and was there the pick before mine and would have grabbed Hilton but once he was grabbed I just felt I could replicate Hopkins production with my WRs taken in the next three rounds.

it will just depend on your draft and who you like.

 
need2know said:
The mocking with DD isn't the best.  

It's really hard to factor in reaches and bad picks
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Totally disagree. It gives a very good general indication of when you can get tiers of players, yes specific players will vary but it is an average not a specific indication of when a player will go.

 
bagger said:
Totally disagree. It gives a very good general indication of when you can get tiers of players, yes specific players will vary but it is an average not a specific indication of when a player will go.
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For that its great.  But it's almost too good.  Not everyone drafts like that.  Real mocks are better practice.  Don't get me wrong.  I like dd and use it alot esp for real draft.  I just have found the mocking to be lacking a bit.  

 
need2know said:
For that its great.  But it's almost too good.  Not everyone drafts like that.  Real mocks are better practice.  Don't get me wrong.  I like dd and use it alot esp for real draft.  I just have found the mocking to be lacking a bit.  
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I think there are ways to mess with the other owner settings in a draft to randomize their picks a bit to create some odd, outlier picks that might happen in real drafts. I need to mess with that a bit. But what it also does that really stinks and throws off the results is when it has one team draft 2 QBs in the first 5 rounds. Not realistic at all, especially if it does that with the team in the 1 slot and you're at the 2 slot and which 2 players "slip through" that turn is really part of the strategy of how I pick. Stinks that DD doesn't have some way to clamp down on those kind of weird automated picks that just don't happen in real life.

 
joey said:
I think there are ways to mess with the other owner settings in a draft to randomize their picks a bit to create some odd, outlier picks that might happen in real drafts. I need to mess with that a bit. But what it also does that really stinks and throws off the results is when it has one team draft 2 QBs in the first 5 rounds. Not realistic at all, especially if it does that with the team in the 1 slot and you're at the 2 slot and which 2 players "slip through" that turn is really part of the strategy of how I pick. Stinks that DD doesn't have some way to clamp down on those kind of weird automated picks that just don't happen in real life.
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Tweaking the settings doesn't help much

It also has everyone taking a QB within 7 rounds.  Very unrealistic.  Everyone builds a team evenly.  Thats what I'm getting at.  Not everyone does that

 
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Just mocked...

1.02 Bell  RB  PIT

2.11 Hilton  WR  IND

3.02 Crowell  RB  CLE

4.11 Fitzgerald  WR  ARI

5.02 Bryant  WR  PIT

6.11 Riddick  RB  DET

7.02 Garcon  WR  SFO

8.11 McFadden  RB  DAL

9.02 Rawls  RB  SEA

10.11 Prescott  QB  DAL

11.02 White  RB  NWE

12.11 Ebron  TE  DET

13.02 Tucker  PK  BAL

14.11 Lewis  RB  NWE

15.02 Baltimore DST

 
What about 10 teamer? We do RB-WR-WR-TE-2 Flex. If Zeke falls, I don't think I can resist it. If I go 3-3 in the first 6, I will still dominate later. Draft is this weekend, so we won't know if its lowered to 4. Bet he falls to 2.9 but will he fall to 3.2...... 

On the FBG draft app, its showing Zeke, Michael Thomas, and Gronk all being gone. So I will prob WR-WR it too with Jordy and Hilton....

 
joey said:
Can you share your draft results from the 2 slot? Even if just the first 7 or 8 rounds. I'd be interested to see that. Thanks
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Live draft today - standard scoring, 12 teams, no flex, TE req'd:

1.02- Bell

2.11 - Hilton

3.02 - Cooks

4.11 - Kelce

5.02 - Pryor

6.11 - D. Johnson

7.02 - T. West

8.11 - Rivers

9.02 - Carr

 
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