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Maurile Tremblay

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If this law stays in effect, I will either quit drinking milk or look for an illegal milk dealer (which would be nearly impossible down here in Southern California since all the good milk comes from NoCal).

Raw milk is already banned in a lot of states, but California had been one of the four states in the U.S. where you could walk into a grocery store and buy it legally.

The ban is purely for political reasons, not for health reasons. Raw milk from grass-fed cows is much healthier than any pasteurized milk. When people get sick from milk, it is always from pasteurized milk. (Raw milk has its own antibodies and beneficial bacteria that prevent harmful bacteria from ever getting a foothold. But if, say, some harmful e. coli gets into pasteurized milk, it will colonize there.)

The major dairies don't want competition since raw milk tastes way better and has been gaining market share here (despite the fact that it costs $18/gallon). So they pay politicians to get it banned.

It's gone down that way before in other states, but until now California had been able to resist any such attempts. (See The Untold Story of Milk by Ron Schmid.)

Dear Friends of Real Food,

I believe in capitalism.

I believe that traditional foods are good for you, that farmers ought to have the right to sell them conveniently and hygienically, and that you ought have the right to buy and eat them.

I believe in regulation. I believe that a competent and decent government regulates all industry - including farming and food production - to protect the public from reasonable and avoidable risks.

I believe that traditional food should be regulated by objective criteria, which reflect nature (such as the nature of a cow gut on an industrial diet or a diet of grass, or the odds that a pathogen will survive human digestion and make you sick), methods of production specific to the food in question, and an accurate assessment of risks to farmers and to eaters.

For example, I believe that chickens should be tested for objective levels of dangerous E. coli. Grass-farmer Joel Salatin will tell you that his chickens, raised on pasture, have been tested and shown ZERO levels of dangerous E coli. It would be highly unlikely - probably impossible - for any industrial poultry farm or slaughter line to say the same. Industrial poultry are so ridden with dangerous E. coli, chicken is treated with chlorine to make it safe for you. (We got rid of the chlorine in our house long ago, and we certainly don't want to put it on our food.) Yet the state of Virginia wants to regulate the size and shape of his spanking-clean chicken processing unit, which I have seen with my own eyes and happens to be in the open air, rather than test for objective outcomes such as pathogen levels.

I believe that if regulators wished to be fair to traditional foods, they would regulate them fairly. That is not the case with a new California law, signed in early October, which purports to make raw milk safer.

The law requires that raw milk contain no more than 10 coliforms per milliliter. It is not a relevant standard because scarcely any milk can meet it. Some 80% of milk contains more than 10 coliforms per milliliter.

It will not make raw milk safer because it does not distinguish between benign, benefical, and pathogenic coliforms. The beneficial ones help your body make essential vitamins and aid digestion. The pathogenic ones can make you sick. Certain strains of coliform will crowd out, or kill, pathogenic strains.

A standard that limits levels of dangerous coliforms would be sensible.

This law does not protect you. It protects industrial milk.

I read about this sorry piece of legislation on Friday. We drank grass-fed, raw milk all weekend and will continue to drink it - and eat raw milk cheese - when ever we can get it from farmers and cheese-makers we trust. Happily, tomorrow we can collect a gallon of fresh raw milk from a trusted dairy, but in a pinch, we keep some raw milk in the freezer.

If you trust the farmer, you can trust the milk. But don't trust this law.

It's time to stand up for your right to buy real food.
New Law Will End Raw Milk Sales in California

On January 1, 2008, California raw milk producers will face new requirements for bacteria counts in the milk they sell to consumers. All raw milk must have 10 coliform bacteria or fewer per milliliter under the new law signed October 8th by California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.

“This new law limits the sale of perfectly healthy, pathogen-free milk,” says Mark McAfee, owner of Organic Pastures Dairy, the largest raw milk dairy in the United States. “Most batches of our milk will not comply with the new legislation. By about January 20th under the new law, our milk will be available to consumers intermittently at best. Thousands of our customers who visit 300 stores in California each week will be without a source of raw milk.”

Coliform bacteria are a diverse family of bacteria, the vast majority of which are non-pathogenic and do not cause illness. They are killed by pasteurization.

The pathogenic forms of coliform bacteria can be tested for independently. The new law requires no tests for pathogens.

“My customers’ choices are now being limited by a law that makes no sense. Why test for coliform bacteria when you can test for pathogenic bacteria directly?” McAfee asks. McAfee’s dairy already tests for E. coli 0157:H7 and Listeria monocytogenes, the primary human pathogens in the food supply.

According to raw milk activist Sally Fallon, “Officials cite health risks to raw milk but once milk has been pasteurized, all the anti-microbial and immune-supporting components are reduced or destroyed.” Fallon is the founder of A Campaign for Real Milk, which promotes raw milk on its website http://www.realmilk.com .

Fallon adds that until the recent legislation, California has been a leader in providing consumers with choice at the supermarket. “The legislation is obviously aimed at getting rid of raw milk in California using standards that are unnecessary and impossible to meet.”

AB 1735, introduced to the State Assembly on March 15, 2007 and passed nearly seven months later, targets the raw milk industry specifically. During deliberations over AB 1735, legislative records show that legislators discussed raw milk dairies. However, raw milk producers were not consulted on the new legislation.

“Had they asked, I would have cited a 2004 study in the Journal of Dairy Science that shows 80% of raw milk would not meet this new law,” added McAfee. “That is a whole lot of perfectly good milk wasted that my consumers would want to buy. No one asked them about this legislation either.”

Section 35928f of the California Food and Agriculture Code protects raw milk with the statement “the state does not intend to limit or restrict the availability of certified raw milk.” AB 1735 appears to redefine the standards of milk sanitation so that most raw milk will not be considered “certified raw milk.” It will be illegal to sell healthful milk to consumers on January 1, 2008.

McAfee has begun a voice mail, email, and letter-writing campaign to state officials and has called for raw milk consumers and supporters to attend a press conference at the Fresno Farmer’s Market on Saturday October 27 at 11:00 a.m. (on the corner of Shaw and Blackstone).
I know this isn't going to be something that many people here care about, but I'm making a thread about it anyway because it's a big deal to me.
 
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$18 a gallon? Wow.

It's sold around here for far less than that. In Texas it's called "pets milk" and the govt. looks the other way.

 
First they came for the Smokers, and I did not speak out -

because I was not a Smoker.

Then they came for the Trans Fats, and I did not speak out -

because I did not eat Trans Fat.

Then they came for the raw milk, and I did not speak out -

because I did not drink raw milk.

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.

 
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If this law stays in effect, I will either quit drinking milk or look for an illegal milk dealer (which would be nearly impossible down here in Southern California since all the good milk comes from NoCal).
Say what?
Not bakersfield. Around the San Joaquin Valley and I'm not sure where else. But there are no animal farms in SoCal that raise cows on pasture.
 
First they came for the Smokers, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Smokers. Then they came for the Trans Fats, and I did not speak out - because I did not eat Trans Fat. Then they came for the raw milk, and I did not speak out - because I did not drink raw milk. Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.
You just blew my mind.
 
:yes:I am reminded of this interesting polemic I read a while back. Enough to turn a person into a libertarian.

Everything I Want to Do Is IllegalJOEL SALATIN / Acres v.33, n.9, Sept 2003 1sep03Everything I want to do is illegal. As if a highly bureaucratic regulatory system was not already in place, 9/11 fueled renewed acceleration to eliminate freedom from the countryside. Every time a letter arrives in the mail from a federal or state agriculture department my heart jumps like I just got sent to the principal’s office.And it doesn’t stop with agriculture bureaucrats. It includes all sorts of government agencies, from zoning, to taxing, to food inspectors. These agencies are the ultimate extension of a disconnected, Greco-Roman, Western, egocentric, compartmentalized, reductionist, fragmented, linear thought process. ON-FARM PROCESSINGI want to dress my beef and pork on the farm where I’ve coddled and raised it. But zoning laws prohibit slaughterhouses on agricultural land. For crying out loud, what makes more holistic sense than to put abattoirs where the animals are? But no, in the wisdom of Western disconnected thinking, abattoirs are massive centralized facilities visited daily by a steady stream of tractor trailers and illegal alien workers.But what about dressing a couple of animals a year in the backyard? How can that be compared to a ConAgra or Tyson facility? In the eyes of the government, the two are one and the same. Every T-bone steak has to be wrapped in a half-million dollar facility so that it can be sold to your neighbor. The fact that I can do it on my own farm more cleanly, more responsibly, more humanely, more efficiently, and in a more environmentally friendly manner doesn’t matter to the government agents who walk around with big badges on their jackets and wheelbarrow-sized regulations tucked under their arms.OK, so I take my animals and load them onto a trailer for the first time in their life to send them up the already clogged interstate to the abattoir to await their appointed hour with a shed full of animals of dubious extraction. They are dressed by people wearing long coats with deep pockets with whom I cannot even communicate. The carcasses hang in a cooler alongside others that were not similarly cared for in life. After the animals are processed, I return to the facility hoping to retrieve my meat.When I return home to sell these delectable packages, the county zoning ordinance says that this is a manufactured product because it exited the farm and was reimported as a value-added product, thereby throwing our farm into the Wal-Mart category, another prohibition in agricultural areas. Just so you understand this, remember that an on-farm abattoir was illegal, so I took the animals to a legal abattoir, but now the selling of said products in an on-farm store is illegal.Our whole culture suffers from an industrial food system that has made every part disconnected from the rest. Smelly and dirty farms are supposed to be in one place, away from people, who snuggle smugly in their cul-de-sacs and have not a clue about the out-of-sight-out-of-mind atrocities being committed to their dinner before it arrives in microwaveable, four-color-labeled, plastic packaging. Industrial abattoirs need to be located in a not-in-my-backyard place to sequester noxious odors and sights. Finally, the retail store must be located in a commercial district surrounded by lots of pavement, handicapped access, public toilets and whatever else must be required to get food to people.The notion that animals can be raised, processed, packaged, and sold in a model that offends neither our eyes nor noses cannot even register on the average bureaucrat’s radar screen — or, more importantly, on the radar of the average consumer advocacy organization. Besides, all these single-use megalithic structures are good for the gross domestic product. Anything else is illegal. ON-FARM SEMINARS & ‘AGRITAINMENT’In the disconnected mind of modem America, a farm is a production unit for commodities — nothing more and nothing less. Because our land is zoned as agricultural, we cannot charge school kids for a tour of the farm because that puts us in the category of "Theme Park." Anyone paying for infotainment creates "Farmadisney," a strict no-no in agricultural zones.Farms are not supposed to be places of enjoyment or learning. They are commodity production units dotting the landscape, just as factories are manufacturing units and office complexes are service units. In the government’s mind, integrating farm production with recreation and meaningful education creates a warped sense of agriculture.The very notion of encouraging people to visit farms is blasphemous to an official credo that views even sparrows, starlings and flies as disease threats to immunocompromised plants and animals. Visitors entering USDA-blessed production unit farms must run through a gauntlet of toxic sanitation dips and don moonsuits in order to keep their germs to themselves. Indeed, people are viewed as hazardous foreign bodies at Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs).Farmers who actually encourage folks to come to their farms threaten the health and welfare of their fecal concentration camp production unit neighbors, and therefore must be prohibited from bringing these invasive germ-dispensing humans onto their landscape. In the industrial agribusiness paradigm, farms must be protected from people, not to mention free-range poultry.The notion that animals and plants can be raised in such a way that their enhanced immune system protects them from kindergarteners’ germs, and that the animals actually thrive when marinated in human attention, never enters the minds of government officials dedicated to protecting precarious production units. COLLABORATIVE MARKETINGI have several neighbors who produce high-quality food or crafts that complement our own meat and poultry. Dried flower arrangements from one artisan, pickles from another, wine from another, and first-class vegetables from another. These are just for starters.Our community is blessed with all sorts of creative artisans who offer products that we would love to stock in our on-farm retail venue. Doesn’t it make sense to encourage these customers driving out from the city to be able to go to one farm to do their rural browsing/ purchasing rather than drive all over the countryside? Furthermore, many of these artisans have neither the desire nor time to deal with patrons one-on-one. A collaborative venue is the most win-win, reasonable idea imaginable — except to government agents.As soon as our farm offers a single item — just one — that is not produced here, we have become a Wal-Mart. Period. That means a business license, which isbasically another layer of taxes on our gross sales. The business license requires a commercial entrance, which on our country road is almost impossible to acquire due to sight-distance requirements and width regulations. Of course, zoning prohibits businesses in our agricultural zones. Remember, people are supposed to be kept away from agricultural areas — people bring diseases.Even if we could comply with all of the above requirements, a retail outlet carries with it a host of additional regulations. We must provide designated handicapped parking, government-approved toilet facilities (our four household bathrooms in the two homes located 50 feet away from the retail building do not count) — and it can’t be a composting toilet. We must offer x-number of parking spaces. Folks, it just goes on and on, ad nauseum, and all for simply trying to help a neighbor sell her potatoes or extra pumpkins at Thanksgiving. I thought this was the home of the free. In most countries of the world, anyone can sell any of this stuff anywhere, and the hungering hordes are glad to get it, but in the great U.S. of A we’re too sophisticated to allow such bioregional commerce. EMPLOYING LOCAL YOUNGSTERS & INTERNSAny power tool — including a cordless screwdriver — cannot be operated by people under the age of 18. We have lots of requests from folks wanting to come as interns, but what do we call them? The government has no category for interns or neighbor young people who just want to learn and help out.We’d love to employ all the neighboring young people. To our child-awning and worshiping culture, the only appropriate child activity is recreation, sitting in a desk, or watching TV. That’s it. That’s the extent of what children are good for. Anything else is abusive and risky.Then we wonder why these kids grow up unmotivated and bored with life. Our local newspaper is full of articles and letters to the editor lamenting the lack of things for young people to do. Let me suggest a few things: digging postholes and building a fence, weeding the garden, planting some tomatoes, splitting some wood, feeding the chickens, washing eggs, pruning grapevines, milking the cow, building a compost pile, growing some earthworms.These are all things that would be wonderfully meaningful work experience for the youth of our community, but you can’t simply employ people anymore. A host of government regulatory paperwork surrounds every "could you come over and help us . . . ?" By the time an employer complies with every Occupational Safety & Health Administration requirement, posts every government bulletin requirement, with-holds taxes, and shoulders Unemployment Compensation burdens and medical and child safety regulations — he or she can’t hire anybody legally or profitably.The government has no pigeonhole for this: "I’m a 17-year-old home-schooler, and I want to learn how to farm. Could I come and have you mentor me for a year?"What is this relationship? A student? An employee? If I pay a stipend, the government says he’s an employee. If I don’t pay, the Fair Labor Standards board says it’s slavery, which is illegal. Doesn’t matter that the young person is here of his own volition and is happy to live in a tee-pee. Housing must be permitted and up to code. Enough already. What happened to the home of the free? BUILD A HOUSE THE WAY I WANTYou would think that if I cut the trees, mill the logs into lumber, and build the house on my own farm, I could make it however I wanted to. Think again. It’s illegal to build a house less than 900 square feet. Period. Doesn’t matter if I’m a hermit or the father of 20. The government agents have decreed, in their egocentric wisdom, that no human can live in anything less than 900 square feet.Our son got married last year and wanted to build a small cottage on the farm, which he now oversees for the most part. Our new saying is, "He runs the farm, and I just run around." The plan was to do what Mom and Dad did for Teresa and I — trade houses when children come. That way our empty nest downsizes, and the young people can upsize in the main family farmhouse. Sounds reasonable and environmentally sensitive to me. But no, his little honeymoon cottage — or our retirement shack — had to be a 900-square-foot Taj Mahal. A state-of-the-art accredited composting toilet to avoid the need for a septic system and sewer leach field was denied.When the hillside leach field would not meet agronomic standards and we had to install it in the floodplain, I asked the health department bureaucrat why. He said that essentially the only approvable leach fields now are alongside creeks and streams, because they are the only sites that offer dark-enough colored soils. Sounds like real environmental steward-ship, doesn’t it?Look, if I want to build a yurt of rabbit skins and go to the bathroom in a compost pile, why is it any of the government’s business? Bureaucrats bend over back-wards to accredit, tax credit, and offer money to people wanting to build pig city-factories or bigger airports. But let a guy go to his woods, cut down some trees, and build himself a home, and a plethora of regulatory tyrants descend on the project to complicate, obfuscate, irritate, frustrate, and virtually terminate. I think it’s time to eradicate some of these laws and the piranhas who administer them. OPTING OUT OF THE SYSTEMI don’t ask for a dime of government money. I don’t ask for government accreditation. I don’t want to register my animals with a global positioning tattoo. I don’t want to tell officials the names of my constituents. And I sure as the dickens don’t intend to hand over my firearms. I can’t even use the "U" word.On every side, our paternalistic culture is tightening the noose around those of us who just want to opt out of the system — and it is the freedom to opt out that differentiates tyrannical and free societies.How a culture deals with its misfits reveals its strength. The stronger a culture, the less it fears the radical fringe. The more paranoid and precarious a culture, the less tolerance it offers.When faith in our freedom gives way to fear of our freedom, then silencing the minority view becomes the operative protocol. The Native Americans silenced after Little Big Horn simply wanted toworship in their beloved Black Hills, use traditional medicinal herbs to cure diseases, educate their children in the ways of their ancestors, and live in portable homes rather than log cabins. By that time these people represented absolutely no threat to the continued Westernization and domination of the North American continent by people who educated, vocated, medicated, worshiped, and habitated differently.But coexistence was out of the question. Just like the forces that succeeded in making it illegal for me to use the "O" word, the Western success at Wounded Knee quashed the little guy. What does the Organic Trade Association have to fear from me using the "O" word? If society really wants government certification, my little market share will continue to deteriorate into oblivion. If, however, the certification effort represents a same-old, same-old power grab by the elitists to exterminate the fringe play-ers, it is merely another example of fear replacing faith.Faith in what? Faith in diversity. Faith in each other. Faith in people’s ability to self-educate, thereby making informed decisions. Faith in seekers to find answers. Faith in marketplace dynamics to reward integrity and not cheating. Faith in Creation to heal. Faith in healthy plants and animals to withstand epizootics. Faith in earthworms to increase fertility. Faith in communities to function efficiently and honorably without centralized beltway interference. Faith in Acres U.S.A. to arrive every month with a cornucopia of insight and information.Our culture’s current fear of bioterrorism shows the glaring weakness of a centralized, immunodeficient food system. This weakness leads to fear. Demanding from on high that we irradiate all food, register every cow with government agencies, and hire more inspectors does not show strength. It shows fear.Indeed, official policy views all these minority production and marketing systems that have been shown faithful over the centuries to be instead things that threaten everyone and everything. As a teepee dwelling, herb healing, home educating, people loving, compost building retail farmer, I represent the real answers, but real answers must be eradicated by those who seek to build their power and fortunes on a lie — the lie being that genetic integrity can be maintained when corporate scientists begin splicing DNA. The lie that, as Charles Walters says, toxic rescue chemistry is better than a balanced biological bath. The lie that farms are disease-prone, unfriendly, inhumane places and should be zoned away from people.Those of us who would aspire to opt out — both consumers and producers — must pray for enough cleverness to circumvent the system until the system cannot sustain itself. Cycles happen. Because things are this way today does not mean they will be this way next year. Hurrah for that.Often, the greatest escapes occur at the moment the noose becomes tightest. I’m feeling the rope, and it’s not very loose. Society seems bound and determined to hang me for everything I want to do. But there’s power in truth. And for sure, surprises are in store that may makesociety shake its collective head and begin to question some seemingly unalterable doctrines. Doctrines like the righteousness of the bureaucrat. The sanctity of government research. The protection of the Food Safety and Inspection Service. The helpfulness of the USDA.When that day comes, you and I can graciously offer our society honest food, honest ecology, honest stewardship. May the day come quickly. Joel Salatin raises grass-fed beef, pastured poultry, rabbits and more on a model diversified farmstead, Polyface Farm, in Virginia’s Shenandoah Valley. He is the author of Salad Bar Beef, Pastured Poultry Profits, You Can Farm, and Family Friendly Farming, available from Acres U.S.A. for $30 each, plus shipping and handling. To order, call 1-800-355-5313 or visit our website.
 
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You pay $18 a gallon for milk currently?
Worth every penny.
At what price point would you begin to think you were spending too much for a gallon of this magic milk?
If it were $25/gallon I'd still drink some occasionally, but not regularly.Colostrum (the milk from the very first part of the milking cycle that is particularly high in vitamins and probiotic bacteria) is $20/gallon.Cream is $13/pint.The cream is too expensive for me to buy it regularly.
 
If this law stays in effect, I will either quit drinking milk or look for an illegal milk dealer (which would be nearly impossible down here in Southern California since all the good milk comes from NoCal).
Say what?
Not bakersfield. Around the San Joaquin Valley and I'm not sure where else. But there are no animal farms in SoCal that raise cows on pasture.
Yeah, and that SoCal milk tastes ashy now...mud

 
If this law stays in effect, I will either quit drinking milk or look for an illegal milk dealer (which would be nearly impossible down here in Southern California since all the good milk comes from NoCal).
Say what?
Not bakersfield. Around the San Joaquin Valley and I'm not sure where else. But there are no animal farms in SoCal that raise cows on pasture.
Yeah, and that SoCal milk tastes ashy now...mud

 
If this law stays in effect, I will either quit drinking milk or look for an illegal milk dealer (which would be nearly impossible down here in Southern California since all the good milk comes from NoCal).
Say what?
Not bakersfield. Around the San Joaquin Valley and I'm not sure where else. But there are no animal farms in SoCal that raise cows on pasture.
Yeah, and that SoCal milk tastes ashy now...mud
Don't leave us hanging, bro. Are you in or out?
 
CA is one of the few states that still allows it up to this point.
There are some states where it's completely banned.There are some states where you can buy it only directly from the farmer.There are some states where it cannot be bought and sold at all, but you can drink milk from your own cow if you own one. In these states, people team up and by "cow shares." So a group of people will pay a monthly fee to a farmer (for maintaining their cow) and in return they are entitled to so many gallons of milk per month from that cow.
 
CA is one of the few states that still allows it up to this point.
There are some states where it's completely banned.There are some states where you can buy it only directly from the farmer.There are some states where it cannot be bought and sold at all, but you can drink milk from your own cow if you own one. In these states, people team up and by "cow shares." So a group of people will pay a monthly fee to a farmer (for maintaining their cow) and in return they are entitled to so many gallons of milk per month from that cow.
What's it taste like?
 
Everything I Want to Do Is Illegal
In society you have illegal and legalWe need both to make things equal

So legal is tobacco

Illegal is speed

Legal is aspirin

Illegal is weed

Crack is illegal, cause they cannot stop ya

But cocaine is legal if its owned by a doctor

Everything you do in private is illegal

Everything's legal if they government can see you

Don't get me wrong

America is great place to live

But listen to the knowledge I give

 
My Grandfather was a Dairy farmer in Wisconsin. I still have connections. I can get the good stuff whenever I'm back there. I take mine chilled through a really sweet milk bong.

 
CA is one of the few states that still allows it up to this point.
There are some states where it's completely banned.There are some states where you can buy it only directly from the farmer.There are some states where it cannot be bought and sold at all, but you can drink milk from your own cow if you own one. In these states, people team up and by "cow shares." So a group of people will pay a monthly fee to a farmer (for maintaining their cow) and in return they are entitled to so many gallons of milk per month from that cow.
What's it taste like?
It's hard to describe. Pasteurized milk tastes very watered down by comparison. Raw milk tastes fuller, more flavorful. The flavor is milk-flavor, but there's a lot more of it. It has more body. It tastes creamier, but distinct from cream.
 
CA is one of the few states that still allows it up to this point.
There are some states where it's completely banned.There are some states where you can buy it only directly from the farmer.There are some states where it cannot be bought and sold at all, but you can drink milk from your own cow if you own one. In these states, people team up and by "cow shares." So a group of people will pay a monthly fee to a farmer (for maintaining their cow) and in return they are entitled to so many gallons of milk per month from that cow.
Maurile, you're smarter than hell but you're a bit of an odd duck. :popcorn:
 
CA is one of the few states that still allows it up to this point.
There are some states where it's completely banned.There are some states where you can buy it only directly from the farmer.There are some states where it cannot be bought and sold at all, but you can drink milk from your own cow if you own one. In these states, people team up and by "cow shares." So a group of people will pay a monthly fee to a farmer (for maintaining their cow) and in return they are entitled to so many gallons of milk per month from that cow.
What's it taste like?
It's hard to describe. Pasteurized milk tastes very watered down by comparison. Raw milk tastes fuller, more flavorful. The flavor is milk-flavor, but there's a lot more of it. It has more body. It tastes creamier, but distinct from cream.
Still legal in PA, when I go up for the holiday's I'll give it a shot. :popcorn: Nutrional wise. More or less sugar?
 
CA is one of the few states that still allows it up to this point.
There are some states where it's completely banned.There are some states where you can buy it only directly from the farmer.There are some states where it cannot be bought and sold at all, but you can drink milk from your own cow if you own one. In these states, people team up and by "cow shares." So a group of people will pay a monthly fee to a farmer (for maintaining their cow) and in return they are entitled to so many gallons of milk per month from that cow.
What's it taste like?
It's hard to describe. Pasteurized milk tastes very watered down by comparison. Raw milk tastes fuller, more flavorful. The flavor is milk-flavor, but there's a lot more of it. It has more body. It tastes creamier, but distinct from cream.
There is nothing "whole" about whole milk.
 
First they came for the Smokers, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Smoker. Then they came for the Trans Fats, and I did not speak out - because I did not eat Trans Fat. Then they came for the raw milk, and I did not speak out - because I did not drink raw milk. Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.
I see someone wasn't very good at the "One of these is not like the other" game as a child. Hint - Have you ever heard of second hand raw milk? Or second hand trans fats?
 
First they came for the Smokers, and I did not speak out -

because I was not a Smoker.

Then they came for the Trans Fats, and I did not speak out -

because I did not eat Trans Fat.

Then they came for the raw milk, and I did not speak out -

because I did not drink raw milk.

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.
I see someone wasn't very good at the "One of these is not like the other" game as a child. Hint - Have you ever heard of second hand raw milk? Or second hand trans fats?
Oh but see, this is the downside to using the "escalated health care costs are hurting everybody" argument regarding smoking. You can use that argument for anything. So yeah, those damn milk drinkers are hurting as all! :yes:
 
First they came for the Smokers, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Smoker. Then they came for the Trans Fats, and I did not speak out - because I did not eat Trans Fat. Then they came for the raw milk, and I did not speak out - because I did not drink raw milk. Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.
I see someone wasn't very good at the "One of these is not like the other" game as a child. Hint - Have you ever heard of second hand raw milk? Or second hand trans fats?
:yes: I think, you're missing the whole point of the post.
 
First they came for the Smokers, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Smoker. Then they came for the Trans Fats, and I did not speak out - because I did not eat Trans Fat. Then they came for the raw milk, and I did not speak out - because I did not drink raw milk. Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.
I see someone wasn't very good at the "One of these is not like the other" game as a child. Hint - Have you ever heard of second hand raw milk? Or second hand trans fats?
:yes: I think, you're missing the whole point of the post.
Yeah! Take that, Gendoc!
 
Will they stop selling raw milk cheeses? Do they prohibit this already?

Raw milk cheeses are ####### awesome.

Why don't they slap a freaking warning label on the raw milk warning the customers if it's that dangerous.

BTW, I drink ultra-pasteurized non-fat milk that comes in a cardboard box that lasts for months on my pantry shelf.

 

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