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[Enforcer]

I know we disagreed about something before, but we sure to tend to be on the same page with regard to the Seahawks. From here on out I'm guessing these will be average numbers for each of the Seattle WRs.Branch = 5Hackett = 4Engram = 3Burleson = 1TEs = 2RBs = 3In a pass happy offense this puts Hasselbeck at about 18 completions per game. Do you think I'm light somewhere? My projections don't seem to be high enough.

18 completions? Are you serious, do yo have any math skills? If they're going to throw over 40 times a game like they have the last 2 games (30 and 27 completions), then 18 completions is horrible. One receiver per week at least will get close to 10 rec and Hass will complete around 63-66%, maybe more with Burleson's slippery hands pushed down the WR4.

There's no need to be insulting. I was acknowledging that I thought I was light there and was asking for input. Perhaps I should slap down my mathematical resume and seek some validation before I continue.So far this season Hasselbeck has played 9 games. He as 200 completions. That's 22 per game. However, we've seen a steep increase over the past three games. If he averages 40 attempts and completes 60% that will turn into 24 completions on average, but that assumes 40 attempts per game. Its something that hasn't happened that much over the course of his career. Would it be wise to distribute one more reception to each in the list I made above?Branch = 6 (96)Hackett = 5 (80)Engram = 4 (64)Burleson = 2 (32)TEs = 3 (48)RBs = 4 (64)This makes 24 now, but it just seems unreasonable when extrapolated out over a whole season. See the numbers in parenthesis. That would be pace for a lot of team records.

 

[Gr00vus]

but 6 is also silly, no offense. Do you really see him on pace for averaging 100 catches? You cannot be serious even if he is in a pass happy offense.

Yeah 6 sounds about right to me, maybe 5. I'm not too worried about what the season total averages look like at this point. They're going to be throwing around 30 times a game and he's been a big part of the passing game so far, and as the possession receiver he's the guy who benefits the most from the shift in emphasis to passing. Run plays are going to be replaced with short passes and that's Engram's forte, so he'll be getting those along with his usual receptions.But you've got your mind made up, so I'm not going to waste any more of my time convincing you. Good luck this season.

Well Engram actually did better than I expected getting 8 grabs. So I don't feel silly .Hackett was

 

[Enforcer]

but 6 is also silly, no offense. Do you really see him on pace for averaging 100 catches? You cannot be serious even if he is in a pass happy offense.

Yeah 6 sounds about right to me, maybe 5. I'm not too worried about what the season total averages look like at this point. They're going to be throwing around 30 times a game and he's been a big part of the passing game so far, and as the possession receiver he's the guy who benefits the most from the shift in emphasis to passing. Run plays are going to be replaced with short passes and that's Engram's forte, so he'll be getting those along with his usual receptions.But you've got your mind made up, so I'm not going to waste any more of my time convincing you. Good luck this season.

Well Engram actually did better than I expected getting 8 grabs. So I don't feel silly .Hackett was

When Branch is back to full speed he's most likely going to lead the team in targets. My guess is Engram is the one who loses more chances. Burleson might become a ghost.

 

[mad sweeney]

but 6 is also silly, no offense. Do you really see him on pace for averaging 100 catches? You cannot be serious even if he is in a pass happy offense.

Yeah 6 sounds about right to me, maybe 5. I'm not too worried about what the season total averages look like at this point. They're going to be throwing around 30 times a game and he's been a big part of the passing game so far, and as the possession receiver he's the guy who benefits the most from the shift in emphasis to passing. Run plays are going to be replaced with short passes and that's Engram's forte, so he'll be getting those along with his usual receptions.But you've got your mind made up, so I'm not going to waste any more of my time convincing you. Good luck this season.

Well Engram actually did better than I expected getting 8 grabs. So I don't feel silly .Hackett was

When Branch is back to full speed he's most likely going to lead the team in targets. My guess is Engram is the one who loses more chances. Burleson might become a ghost.

Engram had 7 today, still bringing them in. He got a lot of them before the Hackett injury, which I hope is minor.I don't care how it happens, I love beating the Rams. The whole game I actually stayed calm remembering how many crazy games we've had with them. Though I could do without seeing another quarter llike the first one again. The Eagles are looking good tonight, might be a tougher game than I thought. Like Alexander, I wonder if the Eagles are better off without their "injured" starter. I would've guessed the Eagles, but it's the Seahawks that have the best record in the NFC since the beginning of the 2003 season at 48-27.Anyone catch the look on Nate's face after Wilson ran back the kick? He looked like a guy that just realized he's expendable as a returner too. And that was before he screwed up the punt return and was replaced by Engram. Then he breaks off a route and gets Matt picked for the 3rd time this season. For as many good plays he makes, he makes a bunch of boneheaded ones too. I've said for a while that his inclination to catch and run punts he should fair catch will come back to haunt us and almost did today. He's lucky starters keep getting hurt.

 

[cacksman]

Anyone catch the look on Nate's face after Wilson ran back the kick? He looked like a guy that just realized he's expendable as a returner too. And that was before he screwed up the punt return and was replaced by Engram. Then he breaks off a route and gets Matt picked for the 3rd time this season. For as many good plays he makes, he makes a bunch of boneheaded ones too. I've said for a while that his inclination to catch and run punts he should fair catch will come back to haunt us and almost did today. He's lucky starters keep getting hurt.

I saw the look of a man that was happy to see his team get a much needed TD.. not sure what you saw.Burleson is the most dangerous man the Seahawks have with the ball in his hands, and is one of the best returners in the league.

 

[mad sweeney]

Anyone catch the look on Nate's face after Wilson ran back the kick? He looked like a guy that just realized he's expendable as a returner too. And that was before he screwed up the punt return and was replaced by Engram. Then he breaks off a route and gets Matt picked for the 3rd time this season. For as many good plays he makes, he makes a bunch of boneheaded ones too. I've said for a while that his inclination to catch and run punts he should fair catch will come back to haunt us and almost did today. He's lucky starters keep getting hurt.

I saw the look of a man that was happy to see his team get a much needed TD.. not sure what you saw.Burleson is the most dangerous man the Seahawks have with the ball in his hands, and is one of the best returners in the league.

That's weird, I've seen him look happy before, and that's not what I saw in one of the shots. And yes he is dangerous, maybe not the most. But his mistakes cost the team a lot. Like when he broke off and Hass got picked in the endzone. Or when he caught the punt deep and let penalties back up the team to a safety.

 

[Enforcer]

When Branch is back to full speed he's most likely going to lead the team in targets. My guess is Engram is the one who loses more chances. Burleson might become a ghost.

Engram had 7 today, still bringing them in. He got a lot of them before the Hackett injury, which I hope is minor.

You're right. Engram was still a focal point, but I don't know how healthy Branch really is. Was disappointing to not see him make plays in the first half. I'm worried about the Hackett injury. Was really hoping he would remain hot.

I don't care how it happens, I love beating the Rams. The whole game I actually stayed calm remembering how many crazy games we've had with them. Though I could do without seeing another quarter llike the first one again. The Eagles are looking good tonight, might be a tougher game than I thought. Like Alexander, I wonder if the Eagles are better off without their "injured" starter. I would've guessed the Eagles, but it's the Seahawks that have the best record in the NFC since the beginning of the 2003 season at 48-27.Anyone catch the look on Nate's face after Wilson ran back the kick? He looked like a guy that just realized he's expendable as a returner too. And that was before he screwed up the punt return and was replaced by Engram. Then he breaks off a route and gets Matt picked for the 3rd time this season. For as many good plays he makes, he makes a bunch of boneheaded ones too. I've said for a while that his inclination to catch and run punts he should fair catch will come back to haunt us and almost did today. He's lucky starters keep getting hurt.

I share the same thoughts on Burleson, but I do have to give him credit for making a great grab late on the sidelines. That was a shocker.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

They really had to win that game yesterday. Three of the last five are on the road but the two toughest games against Arizona and Baltimore are at home. All three road games are winnable but this week in Philly is probably going to be the toughest so it's nice to now have a little breathing room with Arizona losing yesterday.

 

[Enforcer]

They really had to win that game yesterday. Three of the last five are on the road but the two toughest games against Arizona and Baltimore are at home. All three road games are winnable but this week in Philly is probably going to be the toughest so it's nice to now have a little breathing room with Arizona losing yesterday.

Agreed, but the Arizona game is everything in my eyes. Unless Seattle wins out (which I strongly doubt), then I see the game at home against Arizona determining the division. Perhaps I'm just being pessimistic.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

They really had to win that game yesterday. Three of the last five are on the road but the two toughest games against Arizona and Baltimore are at home. All three road games are winnable but this week in Philly is probably going to be the toughest so it's nice to now have a little breathing room with Arizona losing yesterday.

Agreed, but the Arizona game is everything in my eyes. Unless Seattle wins out (which I strongly doubt), then I see the game at home against Arizona determining the division. Perhaps I'm just being pessimistic.

If they beat Arizona they will win the division for sure. That's the way I look at it.

 

[cacksman]

Seattle is 2 games up in the division. Arizona plays a tough Cleveland team this week and Seattle now has a legit shot of being up 3 games in the division for the Arizona game. If that happens, I dont see how Seattle can give the lead away.

 

[Gr00vus]

but 6 is also silly, no offense. Do you really see him on pace for averaging 100 catches? You cannot be serious even if he is in a pass happy offense.

Yeah 6 sounds about right to me, maybe 5. I'm not too worried about what the season total averages look like at this point. They're going to be throwing around 30 times a game and he's been a big part of the passing game so far, and as the possession receiver he's the guy who benefits the most from the shift in emphasis to passing. Run plays are going to be replaced with short passes and that's Engram's forte, so he'll be getting those along with his usual receptions.But you've got your mind made up, so I'm not going to waste any more of my time convincing you. Good luck this season.

Well Engram actually did better than I expected getting 8 grabs. So I don't feel silly .Hackett was

When Branch is back to full speed he's most likely going to lead the team in targets. My guess is Engram is the one who loses more chances. Burleson might become a ghost.

Engram had 7 today, still bringing them in. He got a lot of them before the Hackett injury

Engram == solid.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Seattle ran for 135 yards today which is a very good sign. I think they need to mix in Morris a little more and make it more of a 50/50 proposition. Alexander hit a few holes today and looked pretty decent all in all. Hasselbeck was a bit off but he had some nice 3rd down hook-ups with our man Engram who is when the team most needs him to be.

Defense played decent today overall and very well at times. Rocky Bernard is really plugging the hole up front and allowing the LB to use their speed to make plays. Gotta love the big game for Lofa today and Kerney has been critical the past few weeks as he is getting a lot of pressure on the QB. Looks like a pretty good off-season signing.

Ryan Plackemeier was not good today and he hasn't been all that great this year. He does have about a third of his punts inside the 20 but that might be more a reflection of the Seahawks getting stoped at the 37 a lot.

Arizona is up early on Cleveland but the worst position Seattle can be in is up two games with the Cards coming in next week. Because of division record I believe they clinch the division with a win next week.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

 

[Sea Bass]

This years team has a better overall balance than any Seahawk squad that I can remember watching. We seem to be peaking at exactly the right time.

 

[mad sweeney]

Maybe the FG situation will stabilize with the release of Boone Stultz. Sehahwks signed Jeff Robinson, a 37 year old journeyman long snapper to replace him. Boone's first snap went through Plack's legs for a TD and his last went high over Plack's head on a PAT attempt. Hopefully this will make Josh Brown $$ again, as most of his misses this season were on questionable snaps.

As for Plack shanking the punts so much, that's another story...

 

[Kleck]

GB our Seahawks.

Heard a guy on the radio saying today that he thought Seattle was going to be a dangerous team in the playoffs because they bring a fierce pass rush and had a top notch QB.

Ummmm. Maybe. They've been beating up on bad teams all year with the pass rush. I can't say Hasselbeck isn't a top notch quarterback.

If they get Hackett and Branch back to full speed before the second round of the playoffs they might be able to surprise. Certainly not going to happen with the run game.

 

[mad sweeney]

GB our Seahawks. Heard a guy on the radio saying today that he thought Seattle was going to be a dangerous team in the playoffs because they bring a fierce pass rush and had a top notch QB.Ummmm. Maybe. They've been beating up on bad teams all year with the pass rush. I can't say Hasselbeck isn't a top notch quarterback.If they get Hackett and Branch back to full speed before the second round of the playoffs they might be able to surprise. Certainly not going to happen with the run game.

What's this "run game" you speak of? Is that the one where you take the ball and unless there is a gaping hole, you spin around a few times until you're tackled for a 3 yard loss? I know a guy that's perfect for that system. I think his number is close to his ypg average, but smaller than his contract (in millions).But seriously, Carolina sleepwalk aside, the Seahwks D has played very well, stiffened up when needed, got some bounces but created more on their own. I think they can hold their own at home against anyone and have a decent chance to upset the Pack or the Cowgirlz. They need to stick with Morris so they can use the RB in the pass game and keep the D from keying on when SA is in. Morris isn't a great back or anything, but he's more versatile and more useful for the offense the way they were running it during their late season surge..

 

[The High Priest]

You're right Mr Mad man. The Hawks , to me look like a much better team with Morris this running than Alexander.

When they play 60/40 pass/run Morris hits the holes on the draws running.

I guess the Walrus has a thing for Shawnmon.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Well looks like the Hawks are the third seed. I think that is what you want even if you might have to play a tougher opponent in Minnesota in the first round. Thing is what if Tampa beats Dallas? Not likely but you never know. Seahawks can beat Green Bay and if they do and Tampa/Giants pulled an upset then you get a home game in the NFC Championship. Just sayin'. I don't think you really ever want to play one team over the other in sports because it sometimes doesn't work out the way you planned.

Anyway the defense is good and the offense when it gets in a rhythm causes a lot of problems and they don't commit a lot of penalties which is critical in the playoffs. Get Hackett back and this team has a good shot to win a few games in the playoffs. Not sure they could win two road games but I wouldn't mind seeing them try.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Also next week treat it like a preseason game. Put Hassy out there for the 1st qtr and the rest of the starters for a half. The game means nothing.

 

[BigTuna]

Also next week treat it like a preseason game. Put Hassy out there for the 1st qtr and the rest of the starters for a half. The game means nothing.

I agree you always have to rest players, but it always scares the crap out of me having the seahawks take a week off. They're not exactly the best team coming off a bye week. They'll be at home the first game though. It should be ok.

 

[BigTuna]

Also next week treat it like a preseason game. Put Hassy out there for the 1st qtr and the rest of the starters for a half. The game means nothing.

I agree you always have to rest players, but it always scares the crap out of me having the seahawks take a week off. They're not exactly the best team coming off a bye week. They'll be at home the first game though. It should be ok.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Does anyone else have the feeling that no matter what happens, Holmgren is done? Or is it just me?

 

[mad sweeney]

Does anyone else have the feeling that no matter what happens, Holmgren is done? Or is it just me?

What makes you think that? I haven't read or heard anything other than he intends to finsih his contract through next year. I don't doubt for a second that if they win the SB he'll retire. But the team will be ready to compete again next season, most of the key players are locked in place and he'll get a last $8 mil to soar into retirement with.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Does anyone else have the feeling that no matter what happens, Holmgren is done? Or is it just me?

What makes you think that? I haven't read or heard anything other than he intends to finsih his contract through next year. I don't doubt for a second that if they win the SB he'll retire. But the team will be ready to compete again next season, most of the key players are locked in place and he'll get a last $8 mil to soar into retirement with.

Just a feeling. I think I would have said "for sure" at midseason but I think the playcalling without Alexander and the potential of getting a real RB next year might convince him to come back. He just seemed so tired after last season and he seems to have a very healthy family life. For all his 3rd down and 11 FB draw calls I really do love Mike. He's a top notch coach and guy.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Boxscore

Well looks like it'll be a rematch of the 2006 playoff game which the Seahawks won 20-10. I Seattle is better than they were defensively two years ago but they will not be able to run very well. Washington has looked better with Portis playing well and Todd Collins has done a nice job of just running the offense and not turning it over. Their defense is usually pretty damn good and they offer a few match-up problems. I like this match-up for the Hawks but they are going to be playing a hot team that is still emotional after losing one of their own. They certainly have stepped up these past few weeks when it was sudden death for them which is a worry. Looking forward to next week.

Seahawks are 2-0 vs the NFC East all-time in playoff games.

Jan. 14, 2007 NFC Divisional Chicago 27, Seattle 24 (OT)

Jan. 6, 2007 NFC Wild Card Seattle 21, Dallas 20

Feb. 5, 2006 Super Bowl XL Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10

Jan. 22, 2006 NFC Championship Seattle 34, Carolina 14

Jan. 14, 2006 NFC Divisional Seattle 20, Washington 10

Jan. 8, 2005 NFC Wild Card St. Louis 27, Seattle 20

Jan. 4, 2004 NFC Wild Card Green Bay 33, Seattle 27 OT

Jan. 9, 2000 AFC Wild Card Miami 20, Seattle 17

Dec. 31, 1988 AFC Divisional Cincinnati 21, Seattle 13

Jan. 3, 1988 AFC Wild Card Houston 23, Seattle 20

Dec. 29, 1984 AFC Divisional Miami 31, Seattle 10

Dec. 22, 1984 AFC Divisional Seattle 14, L.A. Raiders 7

Jan. 8, 1984 AFC Championship L.A. Raiders 30, Seattle 14

Dec. 31, 1983 AFC Divisional Seattle 27, Miami 20

Dec. 24, 1983 AFC Wild Card Seattle 31, Denver 7

 

[mad sweeney]

Boxscore

Well looks like it'll be a rematch of the 2006 playoff game which the Seahawks won 20-10. I Seattle is better than they were defensively two years ago but they will not be able to run very well. Washington has looked better with Portis playing well and Todd Collins has done a nice job of just running the offense and not turning it over. Their defense is usually pretty damn good and they offer a few match-up problems. I like this match-up for the Hawks but they are going to be playing a hot team that is still emotional after losing one of their own. They certainly have stepped up these past few weeks when it was sudden death for them which is a worry. Looking forward to next week.

Seahawks are 2-0 vs the NFC East all-time in playoff games.

Jan. 14, 2007 NFC Divisional Chicago 27, Seattle 24 (OT)

Jan. 6, 2007 NFC Wild Card Seattle 21, Dallas 20

Feb. 5, 2006 Super Bowl XL Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10

Jan. 22, 2006 NFC Championship Seattle 34, Carolina 14

Jan. 14, 2006 NFC Divisional Seattle 20, Washington 10

Jan. 8, 2005 NFC Wild Card St. Louis 27, Seattle 20

Jan. 4, 2004 NFC Wild Card Green Bay 33, Seattle 27 OT

Jan. 9, 2000 AFC Wild Card Miami 20, Seattle 17

Dec. 31, 1988 AFC Divisional Cincinnati 21, Seattle 13

Jan. 3, 1988 AFC Wild Card Houston 23, Seattle 20

Dec. 29, 1984 AFC Divisional Miami 31, Seattle 10

Dec. 22, 1984 AFC Divisional Seattle 14, L.A. Raiders 7

Jan. 8, 1984 AFC Championship L.A. Raiders 30, Seattle 14

Dec. 31, 1983 AFC Divisional Seattle 27, Miami 20

Dec. 24, 1983 AFC Wild Card Seattle 31, Denver 7

IIRC, Alexander was high on cough syrup (not a joke) and got knocked loopy early in the game. Morris and Strong were the RBs and the running game wasn't a key in that win. The big thing I'm worried about is that Washington has been playing with emotion and purpose the last month and Seattle has not. However a home playoff game should shed that apathetic stance they seem to have taken since clinching the NFCW. I too am looking forward to it, I love sending that Springs character home a loser.

 

[Enforcer]

Ugh. Watched scrimmage/practice today. Bummed to see so many guys on the sidelines with injuries. I'm most concerned about O-line and receivers. Thoughts from the homers?