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*** OFFICIAL *** strategy thread for 2 QB required leagues (1 Viewer)

TS Garp

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A few weeks ago, I posted a thread asking why more leagues don't use 2 QB's. It adds a whole other dimension to the league and requires a lot more strategy. For whatever reason, though, it's still relatively uncommon, and so I find that most of the strategy threads in the Shark Pool are predicated on the assumption that we're always dealing with a traditional 1 QB leagues. Therefore, questions about where to draft someone assume that you can wait for a long time and still a grab a very productive QB (one who might be gone as early as the 4th round or so in a 2 QB league). Because the strategy is so different in 2 QB leagues, not just with where to draft QB's, but the way that affects how/where RB's and WR's are drafted, I thought it would be useful to create a thread solely dedicated to 2 QB leagues.

In terms of general strategies for 2 QB leagues, it seems that you can go with one of these:

Grab 2 elite QB's early.

* You take some combo of Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Brady, Romo, Rivers and Schaub in the first 3 rounds.

Grab 1 elite QB in the first 3 rounds and another by round 5.

* You have two QB's in the first 5 rounds. For example, you have one of the guys listed above, plus someone like Cutler, McNabb, Eli, or Ryan.

Take 1 elite QB early and then wait until later in the draft to take another.

* You have one of the guys mentioned in the first option plus a guy like Henne, Leinart, or Orton.

Take 2 QB's very close together in the 4th -- 6th rounds.

* You have Cutler, Eli, McNabb or Ryan plus Flacco, Favre, Palmer, or Kolb.

Take 1 QB in the 4th-6th and wait until later to draft another one.

* You have Cutler, Eli, McNabb, Ryan, Flacco, Favre, etc. plus Henne, Leinart, Orton, etc.

Wait on QB's and take 2 (or 3) QB's late in the draft.

* You have some combo of Henne, Leinart, Sanchez, Cassell, Campbell, Orton, Hasselbeck, Freeman, Moore, etc.

Personally, I find the first and last strategies very risky. The first is a risk because you absolutely need both of those QB's to hit big or for one (or more than one) of your RB's and WR's to really surprise. The one time when I think this can be worth taking at is if you're picking first and second, as you can grab Chris Johnson or ADP and then two QB's at the turn in the 2nd and 3rd. I still think it's risky, but if you're looking at Chris Johnson, Brady, and Romo after 3 rounds, you can likely afford to absorb the hit from your other RB's and WR's. The last strategy is a big risk because you're likely counting on the two QB's you're taking to have big upsides, but they likely also have some downside, and if they miss, you're in trouble. It can also be chancy if there's a particular QB you really like who you're counting on falling to you late (let's say Henne, for example), but if that doesn't happen and he goes earlier than you thought, it can really throw you off.

One of the hardest things about these leagues is that you have to be prepared to ignore the concept of what typically constitutes value. It's very tough to be looking at the Draft Dominator and seeing RB's and WR's still on the board when you're thinking of taking a second QB who seems like a reach. But if you keep taking what usually represents value, you will end up with the last strategy above every time, and it can be problematic.

Which strategy do you generally like, and which one do you like this season? Are there particular QB's you're targeting at certain points of the draft? And what RB's/WR's are you looking at who might fall a bit in a league with this set-up?

All thoughts are welcome.

 
I've got a ten team league that uses 2 starting QBs. I don't know why other leagues don't do it as well and I find standard fantasy leagues to be a lot more boring. We have expanded starting rosters and it definitely adds to the strategy/separates the best from the worst.

It's different now because we're a keeper league so naturally that changes everything. But before when we had full drafts with everyone available, the strategy I liked to use was this:

-- It's all dependent on your draft slot. If you wanted an elite QB, the time to snag them was late first/early second. If that wasn't available, I usually chose to wait to grab my QBs later. Focus on getting two top RBs and a upper level wideout before considering a QB. I always liked going with the Roethlisberger's/Rivers'/other younger QBs at the time who I thought were being underrated at the time.

 
I've never played in a must start 2 QB league, but it is interesting how dramatically it alters the draft board. I've only been in a couple leagues that allow you to flex the 2nd QB and that changes things a lot as well but obviously not as much as mandating that 2 QBs start.

 
My main dynasty is a 12-team 2-qb start league. So basically 24 QB spots EVERY week. When you factor in byes and injuries, a lot of the time owners get 0 at one of those 2 positions.

In my initial draft, I waited until VERY late for a QB, and as a result I have struggled to find 2 decent starters the first 3 years. I made the playoffs all 3 years, but last year I traded for Chad Henne and Vince Young during the season.

Then this off-season, I ended up with the 1.03, 1.04, and 1.11 rookie picks through trades. I flipped the 1.04 and Vince Young for Cutler and 1.03 for Joe Flacco, and was EXTREMELY happy with both of those trades. With my starting 3 set with 3 young, promising QBs, I feel confident at the position for the first time ever.

Trust me, go QB earlier than I did...I regretted it the first 3 years of the league, and possibly cost myself a shot at a title or 2. (Team in sig below)

 
gandalas said:
My main dynasty is a 12-team 2-qb start league. So basically 24 QB spots EVERY week. When you factor in byes and injuries, a lot of the time owners get 0 at one of those 2 positions.In my initial draft, I waited until VERY late for a QB, and as a result I have struggled to find 2 decent starters the first 3 years. I made the playoffs all 3 years, but last year I traded for Chad Henne and Vince Young during the season.Then this off-season, I ended up with the 1.03, 1.04, and 1.11 rookie picks through trades. I flipped the 1.04 and Vince Young for Cutler and 1.03 for Joe Flacco, and was EXTREMELY happy with both of those trades. With my starting 3 set with 3 young, promising QBs, I feel confident at the position for the first time ever.Trust me, go QB earlier than I did...I regretted it the first 3 years of the league, and possibly cost myself a shot at a title or 2. (Team in sig below)
Yeah, it can be so tempting to wait on QB's and load up on RB's/WR's, but it can bite you big time. I've been there, too.
 
Has anyone tried a 1 QB league with 6 points for passing TD's and 16 teams? I'm interested if QB's are just as valuable as a 10 team 2QB league.

 
I'm glad more people are starting to join 2QB leagues. Im in 2 this year and I have been in my one league for 5 years now as 2QB (about 9 total). The draft and the season add so much more strategy by making a once easy to predict position and making it scarce.

My strategy I find is to take a stud QB in the first round then go with at least 2 RBs, 2 WRs and 1 QB for the next 5. Overall I like to have 2QB, 2RB and 2WR after 6 rounds. Doesn't always work out that way but I try to adhere to this philosophy. The key is to stay disciplined on draft day. Alot of times you fall into bad habits or the lure of a name RB. I drafted QB, WR then 4 straight RB's last year and that almost burned me. I was left with David Garard as my #2 QB and Jake Delhomme as my #3. It was painful for most of the season but I ended up 1 move away from the championship.

Love to hear others thoughts on the 2QB strategy.

 
Finally. Nice thread.

My main league is a 10 team, 2QB league. I think my opinion on the matter changes yearly. This year, I am picking 7th...and I'm currently considering the QB/QB strategy. I fully expect the top 7 QBs to be off the board by round 2 in this league. This year I like the value of the mid-range RBs/WRs moreso than the value of the mid-range QBs. And honestly, it might not just be a 'this year'-type of thing. When I consider a 50% turnover in top 24 RBs vs. Brees' four straight top-5 finishes and Peyton never not finishing in the top-10...it's just a safer option in my book.

Waldman seems to employ a similar strategy, except his involves loading up on WRs early. "Potato, potahto", but really the same idea.

 
It's all about positional scarcity. If a 10 team league starts 2 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR and a flex, I'll grab QBs early and often. If it's better balanced, I'll wait a little but generally speaking I like to have one stud at each position.

 
I'm entering Year 4 of my 12-team primary workplace 2-QB 6-point TD fantasy league. Being ultra-aggressive with at least my first QB selection has been an absolute must... I've managed to luck my way into drafting the top fantasy QB each of the past seasons (Brady in the 3rd in 2007, Brees in the 2nd in 2008 and Rodgers with a late 1st round pick in 2009). This year we're rolling with a modified keeper setup... no access to the draft results from last season so we're only running with an arbitrary number of keepers per team (which means I've got Rodgers locked up for a 2nd consecutive year).

Previously, I've adopted an approach of trying to draft a stud QB in the earlygoing and then rolling with a committee matchup play with my 2nd QB slot. Last season, I drafted Shaun Hill and Trent Edwards (ick) but was able to snap up Alex Smith and other QB help off the wire. Having a consistent top-tier QB gives you insurance in the weeks if your upside QBs fail to show up.

With the revised keeper format this time around, a more savvy group of players and a late non-snake draft position, I'm hoping to snap up my 2nd QB early depending on the value that's out there. Either Kolb in the 1st or one of Stafford/Smith in the 2nd/3rd rounds. With 12+ QBs off the board before the draft even kicks off, waiting is not an option.

 
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VBD is still the driver in a 2 QB league, however, it is always interesting to look back so here is a pre-season QB list from last year:

RANKINGS UPDATED AS OF AUGUST 30, 2009TIER 11. Drew Brees - New Orleans Saints (Bye: 5) 2. Peyton Manning - Indianapolis Colts (Bye: 6) 3. Tom Brady - New England Patriots (Bye: 8) TIER 24. Philip Rivers - San Diego Chargers (Bye: 5) 5. Aaron Rodgers - Green Bay Packers (Bye: 5) 6. Kurt Warner - Arizona Cardinals (Bye: 4) 7. Donovan McNabb - Philadelphia Eagles (Bye: 4) 8. Tony Romo - Dallas Cowboys (Bye: 6) TIER 39. Jay Cutler - Chicago Bears (Bye: 5) 10. Matt Ryan - Atlanta Falcons (Bye: 4) 11. Carson Palmer - Cincinnati Bengals (Bye: 8) 12. Matt Schaub - Houston Texans (Bye: 10)13. Matt Hasselbeck - Seattle Seahawks (Bye: 7) TIER 414. Ben Roethlisberger - Pittsburgh Steelers (Bye: 8) 15. Matt Cassel - Kansas City Chiefs (Bye: 8)16. Kyle Orton - Denver Broncos (Bye: 7) 17. Eli Manning - New York Giants (Bye: 10) 18. Trent Edwards - Buffalo Bills (Bye: 9) 19. Brett Favre - Minnesota Vikings (Bye: 9)TIER 520. Jake Delhomme - Carolina Panthers (Bye: 4)21. David Garrard - Jacksonville Jaguars (Bye: 7)22. Chad Pennington - Miami Dolphins (Bye: 6)23. Jason Campbell - Washington Redskins (Bye: 8)24. Shaun Hill - San Francisco 49ers (Bye: 6)25. Joe Flacco - Baltimore Ravens (Bye: 7)TIER 626. Brady Quinn - Cleveland Browns (Bye: 9)27. Marc Bulger - St. Louis Rams (Bye: 9)28. Kerry Collins - Tennessee Titans (Bye: 7)29. JaMarcus Russell - Oakland Raiders (Bye: 9)TIER 730. Daunte Culpepper - Detroit Lions (Bye: 7)31. Mark Sanchez - New York Jets (Bye: 9)32. Byron Leftwich - Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Bye: 8)33. Matthew Stafford - Detroit Lions (Bye: 7)34. Luke McCown - Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Bye: 8)35. Derek Anderson - Cleveland Browns (Bye: 9)
FWIW my usual philosophy for my 10 team redraft is to be one of the last guys to draft both my QB1 (10th-12th QB off the board) as well as my QB2 (17th-20th QB range), but be one of the first to take his QB3 (19th-23rd).
 
VBD is still the driver in a 2 QB league, however, it is always interesting to look back so here is a pre-season QB list from last year:FWIW my usual philosophy for my 10 team redraft is to be one of the last guys to draft both my QB1 (10th-12th QB off the board) as well as my QB2 (17th-20th QB range), but be one of the first to take his QB3 (19th-23rd).
Interesting. In order to make this your usual philosophy, I assume this approach has been successful for you in the past. Do you usually get decent production out of your QBs? Or do you just nail your RBs/WRs?
 
Been in 2 qb league for a couple years now. We start 2 qb, 2 rb, 3 wr so the values of each are about same with our bonus yardage system. Therefore, it is vital that you grab a qb within first two rounds or you might end up with 20-30 ranked qb's as both of your starters. We also have an expanded roster and a very limited keeper system (3 ea team but nome in first three rounds. I also have pushed for all of my league to go to the 2 qb system.

 
My League set up is:

2 QBs

2 RBs

3 WRs

1 TE

1 Flex (RB/WR/TE)

1 K

1 Def/ST

Quaterbacks consistently score the most points in our league so getting a good one in the first 2 rounds has become a must. When we first switched to a 2qb league from 1qb, we still had the old philosophy of draft RB/RB. The guys that had the stud QB's though usually did well. I thought of pairing 2 studs from the early picks but its hard to leave yourself vulnerable at WR and RB. I like having one of the top 4 WR's since its such an unpredicatble position. The time of the Stud RB seems to be passing. There are very few "the guy" RB's left in the league.

 
I'm in two, a dynasty that mandates 2QB and a 1-man keeper money league with a flex QB spot, but we can also flex a RB/WR/TE so I like to start 2qb, 2wr, 3rd, te,

I like strategy two for this year and I'll have to adjust my strategy according to the draft. I'm drafting last of a 12-team league. I'd imagine Rodgers, Brees, the top five backs, and probably the top three wrs will go before I pick. If I am looking at Manning there I take him and strongly consider adding Schaub there as well as they would give me the highest ADP. If a guy like Sjax, Mendenhall, or Gore falls I'd have to think hard about taking one of them. But I like to get someone elite early and then hope that an Eli, Cutler, Kolb or Stafford falls. I'd be happy with any of them as my QB2.

Last I had CJ as my keeper and went WR (Moss) WR (Calvin) RB (Brown) QB (Schaub) QB (Palmer) RB (R.Rice). Needless to say I won the league, even trading Rice for White before Rice really went off.

This year I am going to adjust since I will be picking so late. All the elite RBs will be gone so I will reap the rewards at QB most likely. My keeper is Finley so I don't need to worry about TE. Possible I keep Ricky instead but project him as my RB3 so it wouldn't change my early round strategy.

 
I love my 2 QB league. I always put more value in guys that seemingly never get hurt. Eli, Peyton, Brees, Rivers, Favre and now a guy like Matt Ryan fits in that category. I've also always waited and tried to grab the more rare elite RB's first. I usually aim to take two mid tier QB's with upside anywhere in rounds 3 to 5 depending on where value presents itself. Then be one of the first guys to take my 3rd or even 4th QB. Of course I'd take Manning or Brees early and not hesitate if it presented the right value.

 
This thread never really got off the ground, but I thought I'd give it another try as we're closer to the season.

 
I play in a 10 team 2qb league and i think that grabbing a top tier qb early (1-2) is a must. The top tier qb's like peyton, brees, rodgers, romo, etc... will be in the top 10 overall scorers. If you can grab 2 of them, then you'll have 2 of the top 10 overall scorers. Someone going rb/wr won't score as much as someone going qb/qb.

 
I payed through the nose in my 2QB league to acquire Romo and Manning. It took me two seasons of upgrading and scratching but I think my studs are finally in place. I miscalculated in our initial draft and it cost me the first year. But what I noticed was that the owners with the QB depth were in the catbird seat for trades. I spent last offseason stockpiling Flacco, Henne, Freeman. This season I traded Flacco and Henne away (along with other players) and netted Romo and Roddy White. I then spent my draft picks acquiring more QBs like Matt Moore and Tarvaris Jackson (I may have jumped the gun on Tjax but maybe not).

I am a firm believer that due to the scarcity principle (32 starting QBs, 30 QBs needed just for all teams to cover byes) that Quarterbacks are the commodity to own in leagues. They allow you to get players later in the season when opponent invariable need to scramble to cover byes and injuries. Quarterbacks rule the roost not because they score more points, but because there are not generally enough to go around.

Obviously this is amplified the bigger the league.

 
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Has anyone tried a 1 QB league with 6 points for passing TD's and 16 teams? I'm interested if QB's are just as valuable as a 10 team 2QB league.
I cannot exactly answer that question as I have never played in a league with less than 12 owners. However, I do play in a 16 team 1QB leauge that has 6 pts for passing TDs. I also play in a 14 team 2QB league with 6 pts for passing TDs. I can tell you that QB are much more valuable in the 14 teamer. Both leagues are auctions, the 14 team league will ofter have a QB as the highest value player.
 
I've played several years in a 2-QB, 6-pt TD, 10 team league. When I waited late for one of my starting QBs, it burned me. Any other position - RBs, WRs, TEs - there would always be ways to make up roster deficiencies through the free agent pool as the season went along (assuming you're on top of things). But QB? If you needed one after the draft, you were out of luck. Just do the math - 10 teams x 3 QBs = no QBs left! Either you had to get lucky and find a productive FA QB ... or more likely you had to trade for one. And the owners with 3 productive QBs knew they had you, and they'd always get maximum value for even a mediocre QB.

After struggling, I now make sure to take at least 1 elite QB - it ends up being round 1 or round 2 at the latest. I might even have to reach a little to ensure not losing out on a QB run depending on my draft position. Then I'll wait a few rounds and pick a mid-level guy I feel really good about. My 3rd QB will be an upside guy later in the draft. Depending on what other positions are available, I'll often take a 4th late QB. Then I have a little insurance that at least one of them will pan out. And if both are decent, I now have a valuable trading chip.

Certainly others in 2-QB leagues have had success doing things differently. Depending on luck, any approach could work (or fail). But this has been my experience, and how I now try to address things. I do enjoy the 2-QB league. It changes up things at makes it fresh. And since QBs seem to be the focus of NFL offenses in real life, it's kind of nice to have a fantasy scoring system that reflects that.

 
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VBD is still the driver in a 2 QB league, however, it is always interesting to look back so here is a pre-season QB list from last year:FWIW my usual philosophy for my 10 team redraft is to be one of the last guys to draft both my QB1 (10th-12th QB off the board) as well as my QB2 (17th-20th QB range), but be one of the first to take his QB3 (19th-23rd).
Interesting. In order to make this your usual philosophy, I assume this approach has been successful for you in the past. Do you usually get decent production out of your QBs? Or do you just nail your RBs/WRs?
It's the same as every other position, there is value if you get the right player. Favre and Schaub were both top five last year and those are the picks that fit the criteria I outlined above. Those are the types of guys that will win your league in a 2 QB format when you wait to draft that position. There seems to be to be some pretty good depth at QB this year, and a deep list of candidates to outperform their draft spots. Here are the ADP's at QB right now:QB 1 Aaron RodgersQB 2 Drew BreesQB 3 Peyton ManningQB 4 Tony RomoQB 5 Tom BradyQB 6 Matt SchaubQB 7 Philip RiversQB 8 Jay CutlerQB 9 Kevin KolbQB 10 Brett FavreQB 11 Eli ManningQB 12 Matt RyanQB 13 Joe FlaccoQB 14 Donovan McNabbQB 15 Carson Palmer - TO, rook TE, and Bryant if healthy - nice weaponsQB 16 Ben Roethlisberger - avg. PPG last year: 4th among all QB'sQB 17 Matthew Stafford - over 37 attempts a game last yearQB 18 Chad Henne - experience + MarshallQB 19 Alex Smith - Crabtree & DavisQB 20 Vince Young - um....he can run?QB 21 Matt Cassel - Weiss, Bowe, Chambers,,,,,QB 22 Matt Leinart - Kurt put up big numbers in AZQB 23 David Garrard - avg. PPG last year: 17th among all QB'sQB 24 Mark Sanchez - Holmes, Edwards, Cotchery, KellerQB 25 Jason Campbell - avg PPG last year: 15th among all QB'sQB 26 Matt Hasselbeck - Two seasons removed from nearly 4K passing and 28 TD'sQB 27 Kyle Orton - ranked 16th in QB FF points last yearQB 28 Josh Freeman - maybeQB 29 Matt Moore - maybeQB 30 Sam Bradford - lottery ticketQB 31 Tim Tebow - noQB 32 Trent Edwards - noPeople will emerge out of that group....pick the right ones and you are golden.
 
I'm in a 12 team 2 QB league with 7th pick. I am thinking top 6 will be (based on years of playing in this league) Brees, Rodgers, Manning, C. Johnson, Peterson, Rice. So that will leave me with MJD, Brady or Romo. I am strongly leaning toward MJD and am looking to target Calvin Johnson in the 2nd round since he's an absolute beast with a nice schedule this year. Now my thoughts are to grab the best available of Kolb, Flacco or Ryan in round 3 because I'm sure guys like Rivers and Cutler will be gone. Then I could target Henne as my #2 and try and snag a Leinart as #3.

Thoughts?

 
Personally, I like the superflex better, where you have 1 flex and you can use it at QB, RB, WR, or TE.

In pure start 2QB leagues, you have to do what it takes to secure 3 starting QBs. If you can get 4, even better. I would sacrifice some RB and WR depth for QB depth....it's much more important, especially if the QBs have generous scoring. Which means you absolutely have to take one in the 1st 2-3 rounds. QB value becomes similar to RBs. If you don't have a QB by round 4, you're looking at a QB20 as your QB1.

Also, if you have the roster space, handcuff your starting QBs with their backup. You can't afford to take a zero if your QB gets hurt. It's more important than handcuffing RBs, since there are 50 RBs that can help you in a given week due to many RBBCs.

 
Personally, I like the superflex better, where you have 1 flex and you can use it at QB, RB, WR, or TE.In pure start 2QB leagues, you have to do what it takes to secure 3 starting QBs. If you can get 4, even better. I would sacrifice some RB and WR depth for QB depth....it's much more important, especially if the QBs have generous scoring. Which means you absolutely have to take one in the 1st 2-3 rounds. QB value becomes similar to RBs. If you don't have a QB by round 4, you're looking at a QB20 as your QB1.Also, if you have the roster space, handcuff your starting QBs with their backup. You can't afford to take a zero if your QB gets hurt. It's more important than handcuffing RBs, since there are 50 RBs that can help you in a given week due to many RBBCs.
I agree. You need Curtis Painter, Matt Flynn, or *gulp* even Jon Kitna hogging a roster spot. You just can't replace guys otherwise.
 
How would you input superflex roster requirements into the draft dominator and VBD app?

It doesnt allow for QB flex. I'm thinking of just setting QB at 2 since the best player you can put in a flex position like that is a consistent QB.

 
How would you input superflex roster requirements into the draft dominator and VBD app?It doesnt allow for QB flex. I'm thinking of just setting QB at 2 since the best player you can put in a flex position like that is a consistent QB.
Yes, I would do that. If QB13-24 outscores RB25-36 and WR37-48, then you should draft like it's a 2QB league.
 
Great thread and very timely our 12 team league made the switch this year to start 2 QB's. So we start: 2QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, 1K, 1DF and then we have 6 bench spots.

I will be picking 11th, so I have to be prepared for just about anything. Either an early run on the top QB's or not. Some guys have picked up on the value of the QB now so it will be interesting to see how the first round plays out. If one of Brees/Romo/Rodgers/P.Manning are there at 11 that will be my pick with WR on the way back. If not it will either be WRx2 or WR/RB. In the 3rd and 4th if I already have a QB my plan is to get a 2nd, or two if I don't have one yet.

 
The teams that end up with 2 studs at QB are the ones that usually do well. It's just a matter of when they were able to grab them. Last year for example no one doubled up and grab 2 of the top 5 QB's on the same team (Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Romo, Brady) - I think only a team at the turn (12 team league) would have had this chance with a Romo/Rodgers combo and they went another direction.

The highest scoring pair of QB's in our league on the same team, turned out to be Romo #4 (209pts) Eli #10 (191pts). The highest realistic combination possibility in a draft would have been Rodgers #1 (253pts) and Romo#4 (209pts). So you are talking about a difference of 62 combined points over the course of a season or about 4pts/week. Is that enough to go QB/QB to start a draft? I'm not sure, it may be. However, I do think getting 2 of the top 10 QB's is vital and the only way to do that in a 12 team Start 2QB or Superflex league is to draft 2QB's by the end of round 3.

3 QB's usually go in the 1st. Another 4 in the 2nd and 6 go in the 3rd.

Another thing to consider for this season is that the QB turnover from year to year in the top 10 is pretty static, not too much turnover (usually injury comes into play but so does it at other positions.) I think the projections and rankings for the QB's are usually pretty good. Last Year, IIRC only Warner was projected as a top 10 and he ended up as #13 in my league. Favre and Schaub finished higher than projected but both were ranked around 10-12. I think only Eli and Big Ben were probably ranked outside the top 12 and ended up in the top 10. If you can identify one of these guys for sure this season, then by all means wait until 5th round to grab them. But that's hard to do.

There seems to be some depth at RB this season (after the 5-7 workhorses) you are left with a bunch of split time back fields with similar questions about health, # of carries, systems, etc. So its kind of a crap shoot. Also - Once the top 6 or so WR's are gone, there are just as many quetion marks with the WR's.

I think it may depend on where you actually pick in the first round that is going to make up your team more than who to target. If you get a top 4 pick it may be RB/QB/QB in the first 3 rounds. If you pick at the turn, QB/QB/RB or QB/QB/WR may be the best way to go here. For those in the middle picks, I don't know what the best strategy would be. You have more options there, so I guess you can pick the direction to go here but I would still think getting 2QB's in the 1st 3 rounds is the best way to go for any team in 2QB leagues.

If you do start QB/QB you should be able to still grab a very good RB or WR in round 3 while half of the league is plucking QB's in that round. In fact in my league last year only 7 rb's were drafted in 1st 2 round (but 3-4 had a keeper rb worthy of RD1/RD2 status) meaning you could get a 12-14 ranked rb in the 3rd round. So you may be able to get a Chris Wells, Ryan Matthews, Ryan Grant, Deangelo Williams, Shon Greene type in the 3rd.

 
The teams that end up with 2 studs at QB are the ones that usually do well. It's just a matter of when they were able to grab them. Last year for example no one doubled up and grab 2 of the top 5 QB's on the same team (Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Romo, Brady) - I think only a team at the turn (12 team league) would have had this chance with a Romo/Rodgers combo and they went another direction.The highest scoring pair of QB's in our league on the same team, turned out to be Romo #4 (209pts) Eli #10 (191pts). The highest realistic combination possibility in a draft would have been Rodgers #1 (253pts) and Romo#4 (209pts). So you are talking about a difference of 62 combined points over the course of a season or about 4pts/week. Is that enough to go QB/QB to start a draft? I'm not sure, it may be. However, I do think getting 2 of the top 10 QB's is vital and the only way to do that in a 12 team Start 2QB or Superflex league is to draft 2QB's by the end of round 3. 3 QB's usually go in the 1st. Another 4 in the 2nd and 6 go in the 3rd.Another thing to consider for this season is that the QB turnover from year to year in the top 10 is pretty static, not too much turnover (usually injury comes into play but so does it at other positions.) I think the projections and rankings for the QB's are usually pretty good. Last Year, IIRC only Warner was projected as a top 10 and he ended up as #13 in my league. Favre and Schaub finished higher than projected but both were ranked around 10-12. I think only Eli and Big Ben were probably ranked outside the top 12 and ended up in the top 10. If you can identify one of these guys for sure this season, then by all means wait until 5th round to grab them. But that's hard to do.There seems to be some depth at RB this season (after the 5-7 workhorses) you are left with a bunch of split time back fields with similar questions about health, # of carries, systems, etc. So its kind of a crap shoot. Also - Once the top 6 or so WR's are gone, there are just as many quetion marks with the WR's.I think it may depend on where you actually pick in the first round that is going to make up your team more than who to target. If you get a top 4 pick it may be RB/QB/QB in the first 3 rounds. If you pick at the turn, QB/QB/RB or QB/QB/WR may be the best way to go here. For those in the middle picks, I don't know what the best strategy would be. You have more options there, so I guess you can pick the direction to go here but I would still think getting 2QB's in the 1st 3 rounds is the best way to go for any team in 2QB leagues.If you do start QB/QB you should be able to still grab a very good RB or WR in round 3 while half of the league is plucking QB's in that round. In fact in my league last year only 7 rb's were drafted in 1st 2 round (but 3-4 had a keeper rb worthy of RD1/RD2 status) meaning you could get a 12-14 ranked rb in the 3rd round. So you may be able to get a Chris Wells, Ryan Matthews, Ryan Grant, Deangelo Williams, Shon Greene type in the 3rd.
Personally, I don't like the QB-QB start to a draft. I would much rather secure one top QB (say top 7), and then get two or three other QBs later and form a QBBC for your QB2 slot. That QBBC should net you production almost similar to your stud QB2.And when I mean later, I mean rounds 4-6. So you take your QB1 in round 1 or 2, then you take your second QB in round 4 and your third in round 5 or 6. By Round 7, the cupboard is usually pretty bare in 2QB leagues.
 
I've played in a 2 QB league for 5 years. It is my primary league and also the most fun.

I will echo some of the same about QB's being important but I honestly dont think it is as important as some think. The year i won the league I had Hass (around QB11) and Big Ben (the year he blew up) and i got him very late. The next year the champ had Garrard and McNabb. McNabb got hurt that year and I think the manager plugged in Kitna. Last year, the champ had Warner and Orton and some other scrub.

Manger with Brees/Eli - finsished 7 out of 10

Manning/Matt Ryan - 9th out of 10

Brady/Palmer- lost first game of playoffs. but to be fair, he won the regular season. however he had Chris Johnson and Miles Austin.

schaub/rivers- finished 6th, beat me in the first round of the playoffs and then lost

Point is, the rest of your team matters, the position requirements, and of course injuires play a part.

I think there is a good crop of QB's this year after the big 7 (manning, brees, brady, schaub, romo, rivers, rodgers). I would be very happy to have any combo of the following: kolb, favre, henne, flacco, cutler, mcnabb, palmer, big ben, eli.

 
VBD is still the driver in a 2 QB league, however, it is always interesting to look back so here is a pre-season QB list from last year:

FWIW my usual philosophy for my 10 team redraft is to be one of the last guys to draft both my QB1 (10th-12th QB off the board) as well as my QB2 (17th-20th QB range), but be one of the first to take his QB3 (19th-23rd).
Interesting. In order to make this your usual philosophy, I assume this approach has been successful for you in the past. Do you usually get decent production out of your QBs? Or do you just nail your RBs/WRs?
It's the same as every other position, there is value if you get the right player. Favre and Schaub were both top five last year and those are the picks that fit the criteria I outlined above. Those are the types of guys that will win your league in a 2 QB format when you wait to draft that position.

There seems to be to be some pretty good depth at QB this year, and a deep list of candidates to outperform their draft spots. Here are the ADP's at QB right now:

QB 1 Aaron Rodgers

QB 2 Drew Brees

QB 3 Peyton Manning

QB 4 Tony Romo

QB 5 Tom Brady

QB 6 Matt Schaub

QB 7 Philip Rivers

QB 8 Jay Cutler

QB 9 Kevin Kolb

QB 10 Brett Favre

QB 11 Eli Manning

I wouldn't anyone below this line. Well, I would take a flier on Stafford and Roeth, but other than that I don't see any of these guys representing real upside. I know people will say Ryan but I found his rookie year a lot more shocking than his sophomore.

QB 12 Matt Ryan

QB 13 Joe Flacco

QB 14 Donovan McNabb

QB 15 Carson Palmer - TO, rook TE, and Bryant if healthy - nice weapons

QB 16 Ben Roethlisberger - avg. PPG last year: 4th among all QB's

QB 17 Matthew Stafford - over 37 attempts a game last year

QB 18 Chad Henne - experience + Marshall

QB 19 Alex Smith - Crabtree & Davis

QB 20 Vince Young - um....he can run?

QB 21 Matt Cassel - Weiss, Bowe, Chambers,,,,,

QB 22 Matt Leinart - Kurt put up big numbers in AZ

QB 23 David Garrard - avg. PPG last year: 17th among all QB's

QB 24 Mark Sanchez - Holmes, Edwards, Cotchery, Keller

QB 25 Jason Campbell - avg PPG last year: 15th among all QB's

QB 26 Matt Hasselbeck - Two seasons removed from nearly 4K passing and 28 TD's

QB 27 Kyle Orton - ranked 16th in QB FF points last year

QB 28 Josh Freeman - maybe

QB 29 Matt Moore - maybe

QB 30 Sam Bradford - lottery ticket

QB 31 Tim Tebow - no

QB 32 Trent Edwards - no

People will emerge out of that group....pick the right ones and you are golden.
 
I've played in a 2 QB league for 5 years. It is my primary league and also the most fun. I will echo some of the same about QB's being important but I honestly dont think it is as important as some think. The year i won the league I had Hass (around QB11) and Big Ben (the year he blew up) and i got him very late. The next year the champ had Garrard and McNabb. McNabb got hurt that year and I think the manager plugged in Kitna. Last year, the champ had Warner and Orton and some other scrub. Manger with Brees/Eli - finsished 7 out of 10Manning/Matt Ryan - 9th out of 10Brady/Palmer- lost first game of playoffs. but to be fair, he won the regular season. however he had Chris Johnson and Miles Austin. schaub/rivers- finished 6th, beat me in the first round of the playoffs and then lostPoint is, the rest of your team matters, the position requirements, and of course injuires play a part. I think there is a good crop of QB's this year after the big 7 (manning, brees, brady, schaub, romo, rivers, rodgers). I would be very happy to have any combo of the following: kolb, favre, henne, flacco, cutler, mcnabb, palmer, big ben, eli.
I think it's all about where you can get them. I won my 2-QB flex league last year but CJ was my keeper. He was the difference maker, so we shouldn't just look at the QBs either. Chances are those teams that won your league had some pretty great players at other positions.Than being said I did not take a QB until round 4-5 having CJ, drafting Moss, Calvin, R. Brown, Schaub, PalmerSo I see myself trying to get one of the big 7 in the first four rounds, and pairing them with one of Stafford, Kolb, Roeth, Cutler, or Palmer as my QB2.Just like any league, its probably best to try and maximize value at every pick in the top 50, and then start worrying about scarcity.ETA: I'd be very interested to see where Rivers is going in 2QB redrafts. Anyone have any examples?
 
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I've played in a 2 QB league for 5 years. It is my primary league and also the most fun. I will echo some of the same about QB's being important but I honestly dont think it is as important as some think. The year i won the league I had Hass (around QB11) and Big Ben (the year he blew up) and i got him very late. The next year the champ had Garrard and McNabb. McNabb got hurt that year and I think the manager plugged in Kitna. Last year, the champ had Warner and Orton and some other scrub. Manger with Brees/Eli - finsished 7 out of 10Manning/Matt Ryan - 9th out of 10Brady/Palmer- lost first game of playoffs. but to be fair, he won the regular season. however he had Chris Johnson and Miles Austin. schaub/rivers- finished 6th, beat me in the first round of the playoffs and then lostPoint is, the rest of your team matters, the position requirements, and of course injuires play a part. I think there is a good crop of QB's this year after the big 7 (manning, brees, brady, schaub, romo, rivers, rodgers). I would be very happy to have any combo of the following: kolb, favre, henne, flacco, cutler, mcnabb, palmer, big ben, eli.
A couple of things. You have to maximize your own leagues scoring system. So if the top QB's are consistently scoring better than the 2nd, 3rd and 4th tiers, then securing a top one is very important. If they score relatively similar, then yes you can get away with a couple of mid level QB's. Ive done it both ways. Ive taken McNabb/Bulger in the 4th and 5th round about 3 years ago and it worked well. Ive took Brady in the 1st and then Garrard in the 7th last year and that worked too. The key is to get consistent production from at least 1 of the QB spots. Making sure you have 2 good upside options is key. Being stuck relying on Jason Campbell or Mark Sanchez as your 2 is not a good way to go.
 
I've played in a 2 QB league for 5 years. It is my primary league and also the most fun. I will echo some of the same about QB's being important but I honestly dont think it is as important as some think. The year i won the league I had Hass (around QB11) and Big Ben (the year he blew up) and i got him very late. The next year the champ had Garrard and McNabb. McNabb got hurt that year and I think the manager plugged in Kitna. Last year, the champ had Warner and Orton and some other scrub. Manger with Brees/Eli - finsished 7 out of 10Manning/Matt Ryan - 9th out of 10Brady/Palmer- lost first game of playoffs. but to be fair, he won the regular season. however he had Chris Johnson and Miles Austin. schaub/rivers- finished 6th, beat me in the first round of the playoffs and then lostPoint is, the rest of your team matters, the position requirements, and of course injuires play a part. I think there is a good crop of QB's this year after the big 7 (manning, brees, brady, schaub, romo, rivers, rodgers). I would be very happy to have any combo of the following: kolb, favre, henne, flacco, cutler, mcnabb, palmer, big ben, eli.
I think it's all about where you can get them. I won my 2-QB flex league last year but CJ was my keeper. He was the difference maker, so we shouldn't just look at the QBs either. Chances are those teams that won your league had some pretty great players at other positions.Than being said I did not take a QB until round 4-5 having CJ, drafting Moss, Calvin, R. Brown, Schaub, PalmerSo I see myself trying to get one of the big 7 in the first four rounds, and pairing them with one of Stafford, Kolb, Roeth, Cutler, or Palmer as my QB2.Just like any league, its probably best to try and maximize value at every pick in the top 50, and then start worrying about scarcity.ETA: I'd be very interested to see where Rivers is going in 2QB redrafts. Anyone have any examples?
I don't have any mock drafts to show you but I do 2 different 2QB leagues and speaking with the guys, I'd say he's going mid to late 2nd, early 3rd. Even with all the downside things happening.
 
In my 2QB 10-Team league I've done various things from taking a QB in the 1st to waiting until around the 5th. Like with everything else, it depends on how the draft is shaking out.

This year I'm targeting Romo for the 3rd. If I miss him, I might hold off on a QB until the 5th.

 
I've played in a 2 QB league for 5 years. It is my primary league and also the most fun. I will echo some of the same about QB's being important but I honestly dont think it is as important as some think. The year i won the league I had Hass (around QB11) and Big Ben (the year he blew up) and i got him very late. The next year the champ had Garrard and McNabb. McNabb got hurt that year and I think the manager plugged in Kitna. Last year, the champ had Warner and Orton and some other scrub. Manger with Brees/Eli - finsished 7 out of 10Manning/Matt Ryan - 9th out of 10Brady/Palmer- lost first game of playoffs. but to be fair, he won the regular season. however he had Chris Johnson and Miles Austin. schaub/rivers- finished 6th, beat me in the first round of the playoffs and then lostPoint is, the rest of your team matters, the position requirements, and of course injuires play a part. I think there is a good crop of QB's this year after the big 7 (manning, brees, brady, schaub, romo, rivers, rodgers). I would be very happy to have any combo of the following: kolb, favre, henne, flacco, cutler, mcnabb, palmer, big ben, eli.
I think it's all about where you can get them. I won my 2-QB flex league last year but CJ was my keeper. He was the difference maker, so we shouldn't just look at the QBs either. Chances are those teams that won your league had some pretty great players at other positions.Than being said I did not take a QB until round 4-5 having CJ, drafting Moss, Calvin, R. Brown, Schaub, PalmerSo I see myself trying to get one of the big 7 in the first four rounds, and pairing them with one of Stafford, Kolb, Roeth, Cutler, or Palmer as my QB2.Just like any league, its probably best to try and maximize value at every pick in the top 50, and then start worrying about scarcity.ETA: I'd be very interested to see where Rivers is going in 2QB redrafts. Anyone have any examples?
I don't have any mock drafts to show you but I do 2 different 2QB leagues and speaking with the guys, I'd say he's going mid to late 2nd, early 3rd. Even with all the downside things happening.
Funny you metion Rivers because I am in the position to take him with one of my first picks and i am debating him over another option of roddy or jennings.also, to the point about point differential between top QB's and tier 2,3,4 QB's. Last year, guys like kolb, Henne and Vince Young were only scoring a point per week (perhaps 2) lower than the "top crop" of qb's at the end of the season, iirc.
 
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I've played in a 2 QB league for 5 years. It is my primary league and also the most fun. I will echo some of the same about QB's being important but I honestly dont think it is as important as some think. The year i won the league I had Hass (around QB11) and Big Ben (the year he blew up) and i got him very late. The next year the champ had Garrard and McNabb. McNabb got hurt that year and I think the manager plugged in Kitna. Last year, the champ had Warner and Orton and some other scrub. Manger with Brees/Eli - finsished 7 out of 10Manning/Matt Ryan - 9th out of 10Brady/Palmer- lost first game of playoffs. but to be fair, he won the regular season. however he had Chris Johnson and Miles Austin. schaub/rivers- finished 6th, beat me in the first round of the playoffs and then lostPoint is, the rest of your team matters, the position requirements, and of course injuires play a part. I think there is a good crop of QB's this year after the big 7 (manning, brees, brady, schaub, romo, rivers, rodgers). I would be very happy to have any combo of the following: kolb, favre, henne, flacco, cutler, mcnabb, palmer, big ben, eli.
I think it's all about where you can get them. I won my 2-QB flex league last year but CJ was my keeper. He was the difference maker, so we shouldn't just look at the QBs either. Chances are those teams that won your league had some pretty great players at other positions.Than being said I did not take a QB until round 4-5 having CJ, drafting Moss, Calvin, R. Brown, Schaub, PalmerSo I see myself trying to get one of the big 7 in the first four rounds, and pairing them with one of Stafford, Kolb, Roeth, Cutler, or Palmer as my QB2.Just like any league, its probably best to try and maximize value at every pick in the top 50, and then start worrying about scarcity.ETA: I'd be very interested to see where Rivers is going in 2QB redrafts. Anyone have any examples?
I don't have any mock drafts to show you but I do 2 different 2QB leagues and speaking with the guys, I'd say he's going mid to late 2nd, early 3rd. Even with all the downside things happening.
Funny you metion Rivers because I am in the position to take him with one of my first picks and i am debating him over another option of roddy or jennings.also, to the point about point differential between top QB's and tier 2,3,4 QB's. Last year, guys like kolb, Henne and Vince Young were only scoring a point per week (perhaps 2) lower than the "top crop" of qb's at the end of the season, iirc.
See In mine the top 10 QBS all performed well but the drop off from the #10 to #20 was significant. It worked out to about 5 points a game in my league. On average, that could cost you a game or two.
 
Yea, 5 points a week doesn't sound like a lot but when you are comparing Tiers in ANY position...5 points is one of the bigger margins that exists. I know in my scoring systems I have the following breakdowns...

Avg Points Scored per week:

mid QB1 = 12.9 / mid QB2 = 8.65 / mid QB3 = 6.7

mid RB1 = 13.15 (includes CJ's monster 16.9avg) / mid RB2 = 8.4 / mid RB3 = 6.6

mid WR1 = 10.95 / mid WR2 = 8.4 / mid WR3 = 6.8

So at least in my league its showing the biggest differences between RB1 & RB2 at *4.75 pts/week and at QB1/QB2 at 4.25pts/week.

*If you were to reduce CJ's avg pts per week in line with ADP and MJD - He was 3 points better on average then everyone else last season. The mid RB1/RB2 difference would be 3.3 pts per week if CJ was reduced to 14pts per week.

 
This year in a redraft 2QB league with 6pts for every TD (with the number 1 pick I plan on doing the following).

RB

WR

WR

WR

WR

QB

QB

QB

QB

We start 2RB, 3WR, 1WR/RB and 1 TE.

Last year at the end of the 6th round about 12-13QB's were off the board.

A strategy like this will leave me vulnerable at the RB#2 spot however it is a 0.5ppr league and we also award 1pt per 20 return yards (1pt per 10 yards rush/receive).

I am thinking with this strategy I can land a lineup as follows

Chris Johnson

Rody White or Megatron

Miles Austin

Sidney Rice or Percy Harvin (since we have return yards)

Wes Welker

McNabb

Palmer

Big Ben

Stafford/Henne/etc

After that I will have to harvest at RB or perhaps make a move a little earlier on a guy like Donald Brown or Ahmad Bradshaw in Rounds 8/9

 

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