***OFFICIAL*** Survivor 31 -Second Chances. (1 Viewer)

[In The Zone]

How the hell do returning players, with 9-3 numbers, NOT split the vote? ??? Idiots

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[snogger]

Ciera hasn't been wrong in what she's said. Too many people just sit back with the attitude "as long as it's not me" while others are still playing the game keeping those players at the bottom of the alliance. I'm hoping Ciera goes far.

Meh. Just because they're not playing Ciera's Game doesn't mean they're not playing at all. Sometimes that's the trick to winning.

In Ciera's world if you are not voting with her your not playing the game

 

[dparker713]

Ciera hasn't been wrong in what she's said. Too many people just sit back with the attitude "as long as it's not me" while others are still playing the game keeping those players at the bottom of the alliance. I'm hoping Ciera goes far.

The only two time winner used that approach both times.

 

[Mario Kart]

Ciera hasn't been wrong in what she's said. Too many people just sit back with the attitude "as long as it's not me" while others are still playing the game keeping those players at the bottom of the alliance. I'm hoping Ciera goes far.

The only two time winner used that approach both times.

Yeah, but you can't have 8... 7 people playing that way.

 

[jhib]

Ciera hasn't been wrong in what she's said. Too many people just sit back with the attitude "as long as it's not me" while others are still playing the game keeping those players at the bottom of the alliance. I'm hoping Ciera goes far.

The only two time winner used that approach both times.

Yeah, but you can't have 8... 7 people playing that way.

When there are more people on the bottom of your alliance than those supposedly at the top, then they're not really at the bottom of the alliance. It's smart to wait for your move until after the outsiders are sent away.

 

[Cjw_55106]

The flaw in her logic IMO is this:



If I’m in a 7 person alliance and I’m sitting at 5-6-7 of this mythical hierarchy, and I flip to the alliance of 3 along with a couple others, I’m still not at the top of the new alliance. Why would the hierarchy exist in one alliance and not the other?

 

[yak651]

The flaw in her logic IMO is this:

If I’m in a 7 person alliance and I’m sitting at 5-6-7 of this mythical hierarchy, and I flip to the alliance of 3 along with a couple others, I’m still not at the top of the new alliance. Why would the hierarchy exist in one alliance and not the other?

Right, but if she can put some doubt into the bottom and then they start talking to the others, make them feel like if they show their loyalty by switching you will be in tight with me and I'm running this other alliance...

 

[Jayrok]

How the hell do returning players, with 9-3 numbers, NOT split the vote? ??? Idiots

Or at least throw all the votes on the person (Ciera) who they know definitely didn't have an idol based on her not playing one last week.

That was the play. Wentworth's name was tossed around after the challenge. If you aren't going to split the vote, at least throw them off with a switcharoo in case Wentworth has an idol. They could have ousted Ciera and burned Wentworth's idol.

 

[Jayrok]

Ciera hasn't been wrong in what she's said. Too many people just sit back with the attitude "as long as it's not me" while others are still playing the game keeping those players at the bottom of the alliance. I'm hoping Ciera goes far.

But what did Ciera say when Joe said they were voting for Fish? "cool, as long as it's not me!"

She's just mad because she isn't in the lead alliance.

 

[Jayrok]

Wentworth might should have toned down her celebration after the vote's were read. She celebrated like the whole tide had turned in her favor. She's still on the bottom with Ciera and her boasting probably didn't win many friends in the other alliance.

She better go find another idol or she may be going home next week. She sure won't be winning an immunity challenge anytime soon.

 

[Jayrok]

Savage swore on his kids' lives that he would never write Joe's name down. Now he's on the jury, does that mean he can't vote for Joe in the finals if Joe's there?

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Wentworth might should have toned down her celebration after the vote's were read. She celebrated like the whole tide had turned in her favor. She's still on the bottom with Ciera and her

boasting probably didn't win many friends in the other alliance.

She better go find another idol or she may be

going home next week. She sure won't be winning an immunity challenge anytime soon.

Everyone voted against her, tough for her celebrating to put more of a target on her back. She was smart to not call Joe out by name when Jeff pushed her in that direction. I would think they could pull Joe and Spencer to their side so they just need to make a play for two additional folks if my math is correct. Long odds but not as long as they faced last night.

 

[Cjw_55106]

In reality, i think Savage is the only one that would hold a grudge for her celebrating....and he doesnt matter now, until the end.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

I went looking for Jeff's blog about last night's episode but doesn't look like it is out there yet, during my search I came across his website. I didn't realize he was getting into directing movies, here is an ad for what I have to imagine is his directorial debut:

http://www.jeffprobst.com/kissme.php

 

[Mad Cow]

Ciera and Kass just so deserve each other in that alliance they both. Both of them think way too highly of themselves, and what has been said is correct. They were just pissed they were not in charge of the lead alliance. Sour grapes X 1000 for each of them. Ciera probably has no chance of winning, which is problematic because I want to see her gone and now people will want to drag her along.

 

[dhockster]

Joe really showing he has no strategic game, it is a shame as he is probably the best challenge player of all-time.

I am curious what strategic game Joe could have that would make him less of a target. Everyone knows he is great at challenges, and he knows they are targeting him when he does not win immunity. His only hope is that he can somehow get the minority alliance to a point when they are equal with the majority, and then maybe he can play the swing vote in the middle for a few challenges. Even if that were to happen, he is still likely to get voted off when he does not win a challenge.

BTW, he is so good at challenges that he pretty much single handedly won the reward challenge, with a subpar group around him. That guy is amazing.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Agreed. Im not sure what he's expected to do from a strategic standpoint?

 

[Mad Cow]

Well for one, not tell them they changed from voting for Fish to Wentworth. That kind of blew up there.

 

[Da Guru]

I was a little surprised they did not go after Jeremy. Savage is not nearly the physical threat that Jeremy is. To get blindsided with an idol in your pocket would really have hurt. It was enjoyable watching Savage after Wentworth played her idol though..he knew he was toast.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Well for one, not tell them they changed from voting for Fish to Wentworth. That kind of blew up there.

Of course it did, but its also sound strategy to tell people "secrets" to gain trust. Obviously it backfired this time.

 

[Cjw_55106]

I was a little surprised they did not go after Jeremy. Savage is not nearly the physical threat that Jeremy is. To get blindsided with an idol in your pocket would really have hurt. It was enjoyable watching Savage after Wentworth played her idol though..he knew he was toast.

Three women were involved. The decision was more emotional than strategic IMO. They simply didnt like savage.

 

[dhockster]

Joe just needs to sow distrust wherever he goes. The fact that he will be voted out when he loses immunity means he really is in no alliance. His only hope is to get people distrusting other people in their alliance to possibly take the target off his back.

 

[dhockster]

I also think that while Wentworth was smart not to out Joe, she should have mentioned that Fishbach was the target of the potential blindside. His head might have exploded with paranoia.

 

[Cjw_55106]

I also think that while Wentworth was smart not to out Joe, she should have mentioned that Fishbach was the target of the potential blindside. His head might have exploded with paranoia.

In all honesty, Fishbach might be one of the worst players I have seen. Zero physical skills, and pretty limited social game.

 

[Mad Cow]

I also think that while Wentworth was smart not to out Joe, she should have mentioned that Fishbach was the target of the potential blindside. His head might have exploded with paranoia.

The fact that they just went along with it says they are not playing a game, either. They were willing to do the anyone but me as long as it wasn't them. But when it was, all of a sudden no one else is playing huh? If they had game, they capitalized on the Fishback thing.

 

[Mile High]

I was a little surprised they did not go after Jeremy. Savage is not nearly the physical threat that Jeremy is. To get blindsided with an idol in your pocket would really have hurt. It was enjoyable watching Savage after Wentworth played her idol though..he knew he was toast.

Three women were involved. The decision was more emotional than strategic IMO. They simply didnt like savage.

Yeah Jeremy should have been the play.

 

[Da Guru]

I am starting to enjoy Abi.

The editing is a little predictable though. When everybody was saying Fishbait was the play I knew it was not going to be him.

 

[parrot]

I was a little surprised they did not go after Jeremy. Savage is not nearly the physical threat that Jeremy is. To get blindsided with an idol in your pocket would really have hurt. It was enjoyable watching Savage after Wentworth played her idol though..he knew he was toast.

Savage seems to be the glue for a number of people, Spencer, Joe, etc. Taking him out might put more free agents in play.

 

[Da Guru]

Joes sisters started a Country Music band. Savage was the lawyer for the Jerry Springer Show. Seems like many of these contestants and their families have been trying to get on the spotlight for years.

 

[jhib]

By the way, Keith is hilarious.

He's so likable and surprisingly good at challenges that if he had half the strategy as some other players, he'd be seriously dangerous. Of course, if he played with more strategy, I guess he might not come off as so likable.

 

[snogger]

By the way, Keith is hilarious.

He's so likable and surprisingly good at challenges that if he had half the strategy as some other players, he'd be seriously dangerous. Of course, if he played with more strategy, I guess he might not come off as so likable.

One of the funniest moments in all seasons was him getting the bike running and then taking them all on a ride around the beach

 

[dhockster]

I was a little surprised they did not go after Jeremy. Savage is not nearly the physical threat that Jeremy is. To get blindsided with an idol in your pocket would really have hurt. It was enjoyable watching Savage after Wentworth played her idol though..he knew he was toast.

Savage seems to be the glue for a number of people, Spencer, Joe, etc. Taking him out might put more free agents in play.

Spencer has to know he is at the bottom of the Jeremy, Fishbait, Tasha alliance. Therefore, Joe needs to try to allie with him as Spencer is not going anywhere if everyone outside of his alliance is picked off. Joe, Spencer, and the 3 girls is 5, the other side would have 6. They need to swing Abi or Wigglesworth. Abi might be very easy, just tell her fishbait is going after her next.

 

[rick6668]

I was a little surprised they did not go after Jeremy. Savage is not nearly the physical threat that Jeremy is. To get blindsided with an idol in your pocket would really have hurt. It was enjoyable watching Savage after Wentworth played her idol though..he knew he was toast.

Savage seems to be the glue for a number of people, Spencer, Joe, etc. Taking him out might put more free agents in play.

Spencer has to know he is at the bottom of the Jeremy, Fishbait, Tasha alliance. Therefore, Joe needs to try to allie with him as Spencer is not going anywhere if everyone outside of his alliance is picked off. Joe, Spencer, and the 3 girls is 5, the other side would have 6. They need to swing Abi or Wigglesworth. Abi might be very easy, just tell her fishbait is going after her next.

I think you mean Kimmi. Abi is part of the 3.

 

[rick6668]

How the hell do returning players, with 9-3 numbers, NOT split the vote? ??? Idiots

Or at least throw all the votes on the person (Ciera) who they know definitely didn't have an idol based on her not playing one last week.

That was the play. Wentworth's name was tossed around after the challenge. If you aren't going to split the vote, at least throw them off with a switcharoo in case Wentworth has an idol. They could have ousted Ciera and burned Wentworth's idol.

Some of these guys are supposed to be survivor experts. Don't they remember survivor Fiji? Mookie had an Idol and gave it to Alex cause he was the target, DreamZ goes back and tells the other group, so they figure to put the vote back on Alex. At the last minute, unbeknownst to Dreamz, they decide, why risk it between Mookie and Alex, just vote Edgardo who had never been brought up until that point.

Putting all their eggs on one basket was just a bad play. Well, bad play for Savage, it worked out fine for those who wanted Savage to go.

 

[dhockster]

I was a little surprised they did not go after Jeremy. Savage is not nearly the physical threat that Jeremy is. To get blindsided with an idol in your pocket would really have hurt. It was enjoyable watching Savage after Wentworth played her idol though..he knew he was toast.

Savage seems to be the glue for a number of people, Spencer, Joe, etc. Taking him out might put more free agents in play.

Spencer has to know he is at the bottom of the Jeremy, Fishbait, Tasha alliance. Therefore, Joe needs to try to allie with him as Spencer is not going anywhere if everyone outside of his alliance is picked off. Joe, Spencer, and the 3 girls is 5, the other side would have 6. They need to swing Abi or Wigglesworth. Abi might be very easy, just tell her fishbait is going after her next.

I think you mean Kimmi. Abi is part of the 3.

Dammit. Damn dementia. Forgot Abi was part of the 3. Yeah I guess Spencer or Joe would have to swing Wigglesworth or Kimmi. Kimmi has to realize that she is on the bottom of her alliance.

 

[dparker713]

I was a little surprised they did not go after Jeremy. Savage is not nearly the physical threat that Jeremy is. To get blindsided with an idol in your pocket would really have hurt. It was enjoyable watching Savage after Wentworth played her idol though..he knew he was toast.

Savage seems to be the glue for a number of people, Spencer, Joe, etc. Taking him out might put more free agents in play.

Spencer has to know he is at the bottom of the Jeremy, Fishbait, Tasha alliance. Therefore, Joe needs to try to allie with him as Spencer is not going anywhere if everyone outside of his alliance is picked off. Joe, Spencer, and the 3 girls is 5, the other side would have 6. They need to swing Abi or Wigglesworth. Abi might be very easy, just tell her fishbait is going after her next.

I think you mean Kimmi. Abi is part of the 3.

Dammit. Damn dementia. Forgot Abi was part of the 3. Yeah I guess Spencer or Joe would have to swing Wigglesworth or Kimmi. Kimmi has to realize that she is on the bottom of her alliance.

At this point we have absolutely no idea who controls Wigglesworth, Kimmi and Keith. Potentially, you've got one person directing 4 votes.

 

[Cjw_55106]

I was a little surprised they did not go after Jeremy. Savage is not nearly the physical threat that Jeremy is. To get blindsided with an idol in your pocket would really have hurt. It was enjoyable watching Savage after Wentworth played her idol though..he knew he was toast.

Savage seems to be the glue for a number of people, Spencer, Joe, etc. Taking him out might put more free agents in play.

Spencer has to know he is at the bottom of the Jeremy, Fishbait, Tasha alliance. Therefore, Joe needs to try to allie with him as Spencer is not going anywhere if everyone outside of his alliance is picked off. Joe, Spencer, and the 3 girls is 5, the other side would have 6. They need to swing Abi or Wigglesworth. Abi might be very easy, just tell her fishbait is going after her next.

I think you mean Kimmi. Abi is part of the 3.

Dammit. Damn dementia. Forgot Abi was part of the 3. Yeah I guess Spencer or Joe would have to swing Wigglesworth or Kimmi. Kimmi has to realize that she is on the bottom of her alliance.

At this point we have absolutely no idea who controls Wigglesworth, Kimmi and Keith. Potentially, you've got one person directing 4 votes.

I think Keith is the ultimate "as long as it isnt me" player. He'll agree to any plan at any time.

 

[stbugs]

How the hell do returning players, with 9-3 numbers, NOT split the vote? ??? Idiots

LOL, especially when they talked about nobody looking for idols, i.e. that means somebody has them. Such a huge advantage in numbers and knowing idols had to be out there somewhere.

 

[stbugs]

Ciera hasn't been wrong in what she's said. Too many people just sit back with the attitude "as long as it's not me" while others are still playing the game keeping those players at the bottom of the alliance. I'm hoping Ciera goes far.

And savage was right about her ... she's only talking like that cause she is on the outside.

I still don't get why they didn't vote for her. She's the person you don't want because you can't trust her if you want to use her later. Not sure why they voted for Kelly since she doesn't seem to be disliked and certainly hasn't been stellar in challenges.

 

[Statorama]

I was a little surprised they did not go after Jeremy. Savage is not nearly the physical threat that Jeremy is. To get blindsided with an idol in your pocket would really have hurt. It was enjoyable watching Savage after Wentworth played her idol though..he knew he was toast.

Savage seems to be the glue for a number of people, Spencer, Joe, etc. Taking him out might put more free agents in play.

Spencer has to know he is at the bottom of the Jeremy, Fishbait, Tasha alliance. Therefore, Joe needs to try to allie with him as Spencer is not going anywhere if everyone outside of his alliance is picked off. Joe, Spencer, and the 3 girls is 5, the other side would have 6. They need to swing Abi or Wigglesworth. Abi might be very easy, just tell her fishbait is going after her next.

I think you mean Kimmi. Abi is part of the 3.

Dammit. Damn dementia. Forgot Abi was part of the 3. Yeah I guess Spencer or Joe would have to swing Wigglesworth or Kimmi. Kimmi has to realize that she is on the bottom of her alliance.

Someone tried to pull kimmi into something earlier in the season and she outed them to the alliance. I can't picture anyone to trust kimmi with any blindside talk.

 

[dhockster]

I was a little surprised they did not go after Jeremy. Savage is not nearly the physical threat that Jeremy is. To get blindsided with an idol in your pocket would really have hurt. It was enjoyable watching Savage after Wentworth played her idol though..he knew he was toast.

Savage seems to be the glue for a number of people, Spencer, Joe, etc. Taking him out might put more free agents in play.

Spencer has to know he is at the bottom of the Jeremy, Fishbait, Tasha alliance. Therefore, Joe needs to try to allie with him as Spencer is not going anywhere if everyone outside of his alliance is picked off. Joe, Spencer, and the 3 girls is 5, the other side would have 6. They need to swing Abi or Wigglesworth. Abi might be very easy, just tell her fishbait is going after her next.

I think you mean Kimmi. Abi is part of the 3.

Dammit. Damn dementia. Forgot Abi was part of the 3. Yeah I guess Spencer or Joe would have to swing Wigglesworth or Kimmi. Kimmi has to realize that she is on the bottom of her alliance.

Someone tried to pull kimmi into something earlier in the season and she outed them to the alliance. I can't picture anyone to trust kimmi with any blindside talk.

True. She is arrogant enough to think she is control of things and therefore doesn't need to turn on her alliance.

 

[EYLive]

How the hell do returning players, with 9-3 numbers, NOT split the vote? ??? Idiots

LOL, especially when they talked about nobody looking for idols, i.e. that means somebody has them. Such a huge advantage in numbers and knowing idols had to be out there somewhere.

Well, we don't know that nobody talked about looking for idols after they moved at the merge. Production could have been planting clues to challenge idols every week so far, and people could have been hunting for them regularly. Maybe it just wasn't part of the final cut of the show as it aired.

They've had several food rewards and we never see anyone looking for a HII clue. Although it's probably just editing if there was nothing to find.

 

[blend]

https://youtu.be/cm1FsbZD5-4

nice deleted scene. At least they discussed splitting the votes. Funny that they dismiss it b/c if someone had it, one of the three would have played it last tribal

 

[T J]

glad the toolbag lawyer is gone

How is he a toolbag? Seems like a good dude to me.

 

[T J]

Best season in several years. Ultimate blindside. Love it.

That was neither a blindside or a big move made by anyone - unless you call playing an idol a big move. She had no choice. Definitely not a blindside which I feel is via votes vs. circumstance (idol being played). That was just bad luck for Savage.

 

[dparker713]

How the hell do returning players, with 9-3 numbers, NOT split the vote? ??? Idiots

LOL, especially when they talked about nobody looking for idols, i.e. that means somebody has them. Such a huge advantage in numbers and knowing idols had to be out there somewhere.

I don't always agree with a split, it allows for fewer people to change the outcome for a risk that hardly ever materializes. Sure Savage got screwed this time around, but if you're sitting in that alliance, its actually fairly good for you. Sure you lost a number but you're still up 8-3 and now they've burned an idol. Plus, everyone toed the line and voted according to plan.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Best season in several years. Ultimate blindside. Love it.

That was neither a blindside or a big move made by anyone - unless you call playing an idol a big move. She had no choice. Definitely not a blindside which I feel is via votes vs. circumstance (idol being played). That was just bad luck for Savage.

What do you call it when you walk in to tribal confident that you are "running the show" and walk out to your exit interview with your torch snuffed?.

 

[shader]

It seems like it's been a long, long time since that has happened on survivor. Can anyone remember the last time it happened?

It takes such an incredible set of circumstances. First you have to hit on the right person who happens to have an idol and the entire other tribe doesn't split votes. I can't recall it happening in a long time and perhaps they just got (obviously) over confident.

Btw I can't stand Kass. i don't think I've ever disliked anyone less in this game. And I don't want her to get a reputation as a "villain" because that would just annoy me even more.

 

[McGarnicle]

That girl Jerri was slightly more punchable than Kass, but it's pretty close.

 

[Statorama]

That girl Jerri was slightly more punchable than Kass, but it's pretty close.

I think Probst had relations with her