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The main problem for Mayweather (besides being smaller than Golovkin) is that GGG knows Mayweather couldn't hurt him. He could score on him, but he's not going to hurt him.

Given that Mayweather is technically retired, has hand problems, wants to preserve his -0, and G is bigger, I don't think it's a fight that is ever going to happen.

 
The main problem for Mayweather (besides being smaller than Golovkin) is that GGG knows Mayweather couldn't hurt him. He could score on him, but he's not going to hurt him.

Given that Mayweather is technically retired, has hand problems, wants to preserve his -0, and G is bigger, I don't think it's a fight that is ever going to happen.
I give it a 1% chance. Mayweather wants no part of that guy. The only reason he'd come out of retirement is to get another big payday and get to 50-0. There are plenty of other guys against whom he could satisfy those criteria without the risk of getting his lights turned out. I would give Golovkin better than a 50/50 chance of beating Floyd right now.

I'm still hopeful that we could see Golovkin/Ward someday. If Ward is even the same guy anymore, who knows?

 
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The main problem for Mayweather (besides being smaller than Golovkin) is that GGG knows Mayweather couldn't hurt him. He could score on him, but he's not going to hurt him.

Given that Mayweather is technically retired, has hand problems, wants to preserve his -0, and G is bigger, I don't think it's a fight that is ever going to happen.
I give it a 1% chance. Mayweather wants no part of that guy. The only reason he'd come out of retirement is to get another big payday and get to 50-0. There are plenty of other guys against whom he could satisfy those criteria without the risk of getting his lights turned out. I would give Golovkin better than a 50/50 chance of beating Floyd right now.

I'm still hopeful that we could see Golovkin/Ward someday. If Ward is even the same guy anymore, who knows?
Looks like Ward/Kovalev is in the works for next year:

http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/10/7/9469833/hbo-lining-up-kovalev-ward-showdown

 
GGG-Lemieux got made pretty quickly, but we have to wait through two warmups apiece to get to Kovalev-Ward? It won't be a bigger fight in a year than it is now. Kovalev has been keeping busy. Let Ward have his warmup on the Cotto-Canelo undercard and have the fight in April. :rant:

 
The main problem for Mayweather (besides being smaller than Golovkin) is that GGG knows Mayweather couldn't hurt him. He could score on him, but he's not going to hurt him.

Given that Mayweather is technically retired, has hand problems, wants to preserve his -0, and G is bigger, I don't think it's a fight that is ever going to happen.
I give it a 1% chance. Mayweather wants no part of that guy. The only reason he'd come out of retirement is to get another big payday and get to 50-0. There are plenty of other guys against whom he could satisfy those criteria without the risk of getting his lights turned out. I would give Golovkin better than a 50/50 chance of beating Floyd right now.

I'm still hopeful that we could see Golovkin/Ward someday. If Ward is even the same guy anymore, who knows?
Looks like Ward/Kovalev is in the works for next year:

http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/10/7/9469833/hbo-lining-up-kovalev-ward-showdown
That's a nice fight. Almost like Golovkin/Ward - the technician against the slugger. I think GGG is a better boxer than Kovalev, but Kovalev is the larger man and probably hits just as hard or harder.

 
GGG-Lemieux got made pretty quickly, but we have to wait through two warmups apiece to get to Kovalev-Ward? It won't be a bigger fight in a year than it is now. Kovalev has been keeping busy. Let Ward have his warmup on the Cotto-Canelo undercard and have the fight in April. :rant:
I'm with you. Maybe Ward wants more work after his long layoff before he takes his big, possibly career-defining fight? Hard to say.

Ward's a local cat and by all accounts a great guy, but I have a hard time falling in love with him.

 
Arum saying Crawford is the #1 choice, but Pac advisor Michael Koncz contradicted that.

It would be a brave pick and a nice thing to do to spring-board Crawford, but Pac would get rolled by him I think.

Khan also apparently a possibility. Zzz.

 
Arum saying Crawford is the #1 choice, but Pac advisor Michael Koncz contradicted that.

It would be a brave pick and a nice thing to do to spring-board Crawford, but Pac would get rolled by him I think.

Khan also apparently a possibility. Zzz.
Not sure about that. at 140? I think pac would be way too much for crawford. Even now in his career.

apparently bradley and marquez are also in the discussion. But not sure i want to see either of those. I do think Crawford would be entertaining. I dont want to see Khan. I like Khan, but i think Pacquiao wants to go down to 140 for his final fight.

 
Don't know much about this Alcine guy, but his last fight was a draw with Delvin Rodriguez, so he's not a total pushover. Rodriguez isn't a title contender but goes toe-to-toe with some of the best, so I'll give Alcine some credit for the draw. We'll see.

 
Alcine never really threatened him, took Charlo awhile to open him up but he did. Not entirely convincing but a TKO nonetheless.

I thought Alcine was gonna get back into it after the knockdown but he didn't have it.

 
GGG-Lemieux got made pretty quickly, but we have to wait through two warmups apiece to get to Kovalev-Ward? It won't be a bigger fight in a year than it is now. Kovalev has been keeping busy. Let Ward have his warmup on the Cotto-Canelo undercard and have the fight in April. :rant:
I'm with you. Maybe Ward wants more work after his long layoff before he takes his big, possibly career-defining fight? Hard to say.

Ward's a local cat and by all accounts a great guy, but I have a hard time falling in love with him.
Ward's fighting Brand on the Canelo/Cotto card, a meh fellow/former super middleweight on the Canelo/Cotto card.

He told Fighthype that "politics" would prevent him from fighting other middleweights, which is why he's moving to light-heavyweight. So there's Kovalev, and then...Stevenson? Who's been ducking Kovalev?

 
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Have to go to Vegas for work in a few weeks and was just informed that we have to leave on Saturday and will get there in the afternoon. I went to look up the boxing schedule and there's a co-feature at the Hard Rock with Gary Russell Jr and Bermane Stiverne. Was gonna buy a ticket, got all excited only to find out that I have to go to a magic show with my bosses instead of the fights. :mellow:

 
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BustedKnuckles said:
bump for sweet J
Awesome. Thanks. There is a guy our local gym that's on the verge of breaking into the big time. Won a big fight on Showtime boxing. I'll try and find a decent video and post.

 
Antoine Douglas. Has a great story. When he comes into the gym, he's all business, but at the same time friendly and generous with his time. He'll talk to the little kids about their day, or ask my kid what he's playing on xbox/ps4, or just joke around a little bit before his workout, which is pretty friggen intense. I don't go to the gym much anymore, except to drop off and pick up my son (long story, but I think there is a reason fathers shouldn't coach their sons, particularly in the teenage years).

This link is him talking about where he comes from:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-antoine-douglas-shobox-20151106-story.html

Here are the highlights of his fight:

https://www.facebook.com/ShoBoxing/videos/10150633342814963/

And here is his post fight interview. Such a gracious guy:

https://www.facebook.com/ProAmFightTalk/videos/838938779556541/

I'll give some notice before his next fight. Hopefully it will be a big one.

The last two are facebook posts, but I'm pretty sure they are public.

 
Antoine Douglas. Has a great story. When he comes into the gym, he's all business, but at the same time friendly and generous with his time. He'll talk to the little kids about their day, or ask my kid what he's playing on xbox/ps4, or just joke around a little bit before his workout, which is pretty friggen intense. I don't go to the gym much anymore, except to drop off and pick up my son (long story, but I think there is a reason fathers shouldn't coach their sons, particularly in the teenage years).

This link is him talking about where he comes from:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-antoine-douglas-shobox-20151106-story.html

Here are the highlights of his fight:

https://www.facebook.com/ShoBoxing/videos/10150633342814963/

And here is his post fight interview. Such a gracious guy:

https://www.facebook.com/ProAmFightTalk/videos/838938779556541/

I'll give some notice before his next fight. Hopefully it will be a big one.

The last two are facebook posts, but I'm pretty sure they are public.
i love how he mixes up his attack...head/ body...and so fluidly... doesnt look for the knock just lets it happen....he looks good

 
What did everyone think of Bradley + Atlas? Besides the pure comedy of it, it seemed like a winning combo. I'd love to see Bradley vs Thurman or Bradley vs Khan. As for Rios, I think the HBO crew was right, he retired before the fight even happened. He's done and knows it.

 
What did everyone think of Bradley + Atlas? Besides the pure comedy of it, it seemed like a winning combo. I'd love to see Bradley vs Thurman or Bradley vs Khan. As for Rios, I think the HBO crew was right, he retired before the fight even happened. He's done and knows it.
I thought bradley looked very good. I think he would be a problem for all of the mentioned above and would love to see any of those fights. Atlas in the corner is great TV btw. lol.

And yea Rios just came for the check.

 
What did everyone think of Bradley + Atlas? Besides the pure comedy of it, it seemed like a winning combo. I'd love to see Bradley vs Thurman or Bradley vs Khan. As for Rios, I think the HBO crew was right, he retired before the fight even happened. He's done and knows it.
Bradley retained his piece of the 147-pound title with an impressive performance under new trainer Teddy Atlas. He won every round on all three ringside scorecards but hadn't seemed to seriously hurt Rios before the fight came to a sudden end.

Perhaps more importantly, Bradley served notice that he's a name to be reckoned with in the 147-pound division. He might have even been impressive enough to get a third fight against Manny Pacquiao sometime next spring in what would be Pacquiao's last fight.

"That's the best Bradley I've ever seen," said Bob Arum, who promotes both fighters.

Bradley brought in Atlas, more known recently as a ringside announcer for ESPN, to sharpen his skills and stop him from getting hit too much.

 
What did everyone think of Bradley + Atlas? Besides the pure comedy of it, it seemed like a winning combo. I'd love to see Bradley vs Thurman or Bradley vs Khan. As for Rios, I think the HBO crew was right, he retired before the fight even happened. He's done and knows it.
Bradley retained his piece of the 147-pound title with an impressive performance under new trainer Teddy Atlas. He won every round on all three ringside scorecards but hadn't seemed to seriously hurt Rios before the fight came to a sudden end.

Perhaps more importantly, Bradley served notice that he's a name to be reckoned with in the 147-pound division. He might have even been impressive enough to get a third fight against Manny Pacquiao sometime next spring in what would be Pacquiao's last fight.

"That's the best Bradley I've ever seen," said Bob Arum, who promotes both fighters.

Bradley brought in Atlas, more known recently as a ringside announcer for ESPN, to sharpen his skills and stop him from getting hit too much.
Best Bradley coincided with the worst Rios.

 
Ilov80s said:
BustedKnuckles said:
Ilov80s said:
What did everyone think of Bradley + Atlas? Besides the pure comedy of it, it seemed like a winning combo. I'd love to see Bradley vs Thurman or Bradley vs Khan. As for Rios, I think the HBO crew was right, he retired before the fight even happened. He's done and knows it.
Bradley retained his piece of the 147-pound title with an impressive performance under new trainer Teddy Atlas. He won every round on all three ringside scorecards but hadn't seemed to seriously hurt Rios before the fight came to a sudden end.

Perhaps more importantly, Bradley served notice that he's a name to be reckoned with in the 147-pound division. He might have even been impressive enough to get a third fight against Manny Pacquiao sometime next spring in what would be Pacquiao's last fight.

"That's the best Bradley I've ever seen," said Bob Arum, who promotes both fighters.

Bradley brought in Atlas, more known recently as a ringside announcer for ESPN, to sharpen his skills and stop him from getting hit too much.
Best Bradley coincided with the worst Rios.
im not sure a third fight with Pacman would interest me

 
Ilov80s said:
BustedKnuckles said:
Ilov80s said:
What did everyone think of Bradley + Atlas? Besides the pure comedy of it, it seemed like a winning combo. I'd love to see Bradley vs Thurman or Bradley vs Khan. As for Rios, I think the HBO crew was right, he retired before the fight even happened. He's done and knows it.
Bradley retained his piece of the 147-pound title with an impressive performance under new trainer Teddy Atlas. He won every round on all three ringside scorecards but hadn't seemed to seriously hurt Rios before the fight came to a sudden end.

Perhaps more importantly, Bradley served notice that he's a name to be reckoned with in the 147-pound division. He might have even been impressive enough to get a third fight against Manny Pacquiao sometime next spring in what would be Pacquiao's last fight.

"That's the best Bradley I've ever seen," said Bob Arum, who promotes both fighters.

Bradley brought in Atlas, more known recently as a ringside announcer for ESPN, to sharpen his skills and stop him from getting hit too much.
Best Bradley coincided with the worst Rios.
im not sure a third fight with Pacman would interest me
Me neither. I'd rather see him fight about a half dozen guys before Pac.

 
What did everyone think of Bradley + Atlas? Besides the pure comedy of it, it seemed like a winning combo. I'd love to see Bradley vs Thurman or Bradley vs Khan. As for Rios, I think the HBO crew was right, he retired before the fight even happened. He's done and knows it.
Bradley retained his piece of the 147-pound title with an impressive performance under new trainer Teddy Atlas. He won every round on all three ringside scorecards but hadn't seemed to seriously hurt Rios before the fight came to a sudden end.

Perhaps more importantly, Bradley served notice that he's a name to be reckoned with in the 147-pound division. He might have even been impressive enough to get a third fight against Manny Pacquiao sometime next spring in what would be Pacquiao's last fight.

"That's the best Bradley I've ever seen," said Bob Arum, who promotes both fighters.

Bradley brought in Atlas, more known recently as a ringside announcer for ESPN, to sharpen his skills and stop him from getting hit too much.
Best Bradley coincided with the worst Rios.
im not sure a third fight with Pacman would interest me
Me neither. I'd rather see him fight about a half dozen guys before Pac.
I'm on the fence. Atlas figures to mix up Bradley's game just enough to make the outcome of a third fight vs a declining Pac in question. Plus, it would crown a welterweight successor to Mayweather, however briefly. That division needs a legit "linear" champion (See tbrb.org).

Still, it's a been-there done-that fight without a great aesthetic. In terms of watching the actual fight, I'd prefer a passing of the torch matchup between Pac and Crawford, but no idea what to do with Bradley. Most top welters are PBC fighters, and those matchups won't be made. Canelo-Bradley does nothing for me.

 
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Yeah I have no interest in Bradley/Pac. If Mayweather/Berto taught us anything, it's that one's presumed final fight isn't going to sell itself no matter the opponent, so hopefully he takes Crawford and gives the promoters something more to sink their teeth into than Bradley...again.

 
What did everyone think of Bradley + Atlas? Besides the pure comedy of it, it seemed like a winning combo. I'd love to see Bradley vs Thurman or Bradley vs Khan. As for Rios, I think the HBO crew was right, he retired before the fight even happened. He's done and knows it.
Bradley retained his piece of the 147-pound title with an impressive performance under new trainer Teddy Atlas. He won every round on all three ringside scorecards but hadn't seemed to seriously hurt Rios before the fight came to a sudden end.

Perhaps more importantly, Bradley served notice that he's a name to be reckoned with in the 147-pound division. He might have even been impressive enough to get a third fight against Manny Pacquiao sometime next spring in what would be Pacquiao's last fight.

"That's the best Bradley I've ever seen," said Bob Arum, who promotes both fighters.

Bradley brought in Atlas, more known recently as a ringside announcer for ESPN, to sharpen his skills and stop him from getting hit too much.
Best Bradley coincided with the worst Rios.
im not sure a third fight with Pacman would interest me
Me neither. I'd rather see him fight about a half dozen guys before Pac.
I'm on the fence. Atlas figures to mix up Bradley's game just enough to make the outcome of a third fight vs a declining Pac in question. Plus, it would crown a welterweight successor to Mayweather, however briefly. That division needs a legit "linear" champion (See tbrb.org).

Still, it's a been-there done-that fight without a great aesthetic. In terms of watching the actual fight, I'd prefer a passing of the torch matchup between Pac and Crawford, but no idea what to do with Bradley. Most top welters are PBC fighters, and those matchups won't be made. Canelo-Bradley does nothing for me.
Teddy is campaigning for Mayweather.

 
I couldn't link to work above, so I found it and posted it for others.

Oscar De La Hoya, the Hall of Fame fighter whose Golden Boy Promotions has become one of boxing's leading promoters, shredded Floyd Mayweather in an open letter, saying that he was "boring" and that "the fight game will be a better one without you in it" in the wake of his recent retirement.

In the letter, which appears in the December edition of Playboy magazine, De La Hoya took all kinds of shots at Mayweather, the former pound-for-pound king who retired following his expected rout of Andre Berto on Sept. 12.

"You did it. You made it to the 49-0 mark, a milestone that you like to say only the great Rocky Marciano reached but that was actually achieved by others, including my idol Julio Cesar Chavez -- but who's counting," De La Hoya wrote. "And now you're retiring. Again. (The first time was after our fight in 2007.) This time you say it's for real. You're serious about hanging up the gloves. On to bigger and better things. So I'm writing to you today to wish you a fond farewell. Truth be told, I'm not unhappy to see you retire. Neither are a lot of boxing fans. Scratch that. MOST boxing fans. Why? Because the fight game will be a better one without you in it."

That was only the beginning of De La Hoya's 1,148-word arrow at Mayweather.

Oscar De La Hoya ripped Floyd Mayweather for avoiding other fighters in the prime of their careers. "I got into this business to take chances. I took on all comers in their prime," he wrote. "The evidence? I lost. Six times." Ethan Miller/Getty Images"Let's face it: You were boring," De La Hoya wrote. "Just take a look at your most recent performance, your last hurrah in the ring, a 12-round decision against Andre Berto. How to describe it? A bust? A disaster? A snooze fest? An affair so one-sided that on one judge's card Berto didn't win a single round? Everyone in boxing knew Berto didn't have a chance. I think more people watched 'Family Guy' reruns that night than tuned in to that pay-per-view bout. But I didn't mind shelling out $75 for the HD broadcast. In fact it's been a great investment. When my kids have trouble falling asleep, I don't have to read to them anymore. I just play them your Berto fight. They don't make it past round three."

De La Hoya's company promoted 10 of Mayweather's final 12 fights, but the two always had an uneasy relationship.

The first fight of Mayweather's that Golden Boy promoted was when Mayweather won a split decision against De La Hoya to win the junior middleweight world title in 2007. At the time, it was the richest fight in boxing history. It set records -- which have since been broken -- for most pay-per-views sold and generated the biggest live gate and most overall revenue in boxing history.

De La Hoya also attacked Mayweather for his aversion to fighting the best fighters when they were at their best.

"Another reason boxing is better off without you: You were afraid. Afraid of taking chances. Afraid of risk. A perfect example is your greatest 'triumph,' the long-awaited record-breaking fight between you and Manny Pacquiao," De La Hoya wrote, referring to the May 2 fight that set every revenue record in boxing. "Nearly 4.5 million buys! More than $400 million in revenue! Headlines worldwide! How can that be bad for boxing? Because you lied. You promised action and entertainment and a battle for the ages, and you delivered none of the above. The problem is, that's precisely how you want it.

"You should have fought Pacquiao five years ago, not five months ago. That, however, would have been too dangerous. Too risky. You've made a career out of being cautious. You won't get in the ring unless you have an edge. Sure, you fought some big names. But they were past their prime. Hell, even when we fought in 2007 -- and I barely lost a split decision -- I was at the tail end of my career. Then later you took on Mexican megastar Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez, but he was too young and had to drop too much weight."

When De La Hoya fought, he consistently took on the best fighters in their primes.

"I got into this business to take chances. I took on all comers in their prime," he wrote. "The evidence? I lost. Six times."

"You should have fought [Manny] Pacquiao five years ago, not five months ago. That, however, would have been too dangerous. Too risky. You've made a career out of being cautious. You won't get in the ring unless you have an edge. Sure, you fought some big names. But they were past their prime."

Oscar De La Hoya, in letter appearing in Playboy magazine

De La Hoya went on to detail his losses to the best in the business, including to prime Felix Trinidad, Shane Mosley, Bernard Hopkins, Mayweather himself and Pacquiao.

"The mantra of my firm Golden Boy Promotions is simple: the best taking on the best. It's too bad you didn't do the same," De La Hoya wrote. "You took the easy way out. When you weren't dancing around fading stars, you were beating up on outclassed opponents. A lot of your opponents were above-average fighters, but they weren't your caliber. You're a very talented fighter, the best defensive fighter of our generation. But what good is talent if you don't test it?

"Muhammad Ali did. Sugar Ray Leonard did. You? Not a chance. You spent 2000 to 2010 facing forgettable opening acts like Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N'dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Bruseles and Sharmba Mitchell. There were guys out there -- tough scary opponents like Antonio Margarito and Paul Williams -- but you ran from them. Were you ever on the track team in high school? You would have been a star.

"Boxing will also be a better place without the Mouth. Your mouth, to be precise, the one that created 'Money' Mayweather. I know you needed that Money Mayweather persona. Before he and Golden Boy Promotions came along, nobody watched your fights. You couldn't even sell out your hometown of Grand Rapids, Michigan. The Mouth made you money. More money than you could spend in a lifetime. (Wait, I've seen those episodes of 24/7. You probably will spend it all.) But the Mouth doesn't have a place in boxing; save it for the WWE. Unless you're someone like Ali, whose fights were as scintillating as his banter, the all-talk, no-entertainment model cheapens our sport. Boxers should speak with their fists and with their hearts. They don't have to say anything to prove themselves. You're going to have a legacy. You'll be remembered as the guy who made the most money. As for your fights? We've already forgotten them."

De La Hoya went on to extol the virtues of many of today's top fighters, who fight in a crowd-pleasing style and are willing to fight opponents in their prime. He named fighters such as Alvarez, Gennady Golovkin, pound-for-pound king Roman Gonzalez and Sergey Kovalev as well as rising stars Terence Crawford, Vasyl Lomachenko and Keith Thurman.

"You're moving on to a new phase of life now, a second act," De La Hoya wrote. "I'm sure it will be nice not to have to train year-round. ... But I'm wondering what you're going to do. You have a lot of time and, at the moment, a lot of money. Maybe you'll put your true skills to work and open a used-car dealership or run a circus. Or maybe you'll wind up back on 'Dancing With the Stars.' It's a job that's safe, pays well and lets you run around on stage. Something you've been doing for most of your career."

Mayweather could not be reached for comment.

 

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