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[jasonbay]

Is Hardy the dude that lit up Penn St?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Is Hardy the dude that lit up Penn St?

Yes. 79/1125/16 is an outstanding year.At 6'7"/220, he's going to cause some big matchup problems. I haven't seen him play, so I'm not sure how he looks, but it's hard to argue the production.It's hard for me to get excited about any reciever that runs around a 4.6.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Is Hardy the dude that lit up Penn St?

Yes. 79/1125/16 is an outstanding year.At 6'7"/220, he's going to cause some big matchup problems. I haven't seen him play, so I'm not sure how he looks, but it's hard to argue the production.

Did you say 6'7" and 220?

 

[FTRWRTR]

Meanwhile, according to John Murphy of Yahoo Sports Florida junior TE Cornelius Ingram has also decided to forego his senior year with the Gators and enter the 2008 draft. The 6-4, 235-pound Ingram finished fourth on the team with 34 receptions for 508 yards and seven touchdowns. Ingram has reportedly been timed in the sub-4.5 range in the 40-yard dash and has the ability to line up in a number of positions on the field including H-Back, slot and even wideout.

He's a tad smallish for a NFL TE at 6'4", 235, no?

Gonzo is only 9 lbs heavier and he can get that big by the time the 2008 season starts but it sounds to me like he'll be a hybrid ala' marques colston

 

[FTRWRTR]

Is Hardy the dude that lit up Penn St?

Yes. 79/1125/16 is an outstanding year.At 6'7"/220, he's going to cause some big matchup problems. I haven't seen him play, so I'm not sure how he looks, but it's hard to argue the production.

Did you say 6'7" and 220?

That's too small for a te and a 4.6/40 is too slow for a wr, he won't do much of anything in the NFL

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Is Hardy the dude that lit up Penn St?

Yes. 79/1125/16 is an outstanding year.At 6'7"/220, he's going to cause some big matchup problems. I haven't seen him play, so I'm not sure how he looks, but it's hard to argue the production.

Did you say 6'7" and 220?

That's too small for a te and too slow for a wr, he won't do anything in the NFL

What would you say Colston's 40 time is/was?

 

[FTRWRTR]

What would you say Colston's 40 time is/was?

I believe colston runs a 4.5 there's a world of difference between that and a 4.6

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What would you say Colston's 40 time is/was?

I believe colston runs a 4.5 there's a world of difference between that and a 4.6

 

[Mr. Peterson]

What would you say Colston's 40 time is/was?

I believe colston runs a 4.5 there's a world of difference between that and a 4.6

I know. You don't have to tell me there's a difference.But what if this fella happens to run a 4.5 (or better) at the combine? Can we then consider him a good prospect? To me a good football player is a good football player. I know things will limit him in the pro's, but as long as he's no lazy slouch like BMW then I see no reason to believe he can't succeed.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What would you say Colston's 40 time is/was?

I believe colston runs a 4.5 there's a world of difference between that and a 4.6

I know. But what if this fella happens to run a 4.5 (or better) at the combine? Can we then consider him a good prospect?

To me a good football player is a good football player. I know things will limit him in the pro's, but as long as he's no lazy slouch like BMW then I see no reason to believe he can't succeed.

Yes.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

What would you say Colston's 40 time is/was?

I believe colston runs a 4.5 there's a world of difference between that and a 4.6

I know. But what if this fella happens to run a 4.5 (or better) at the combine? Can we then consider him a good prospect?

To me a good football player is a good football player. I know things will limit him in the pro's, but as long as he's no lazy slouch like BMW then I see no reason to believe he can't succeed.

Yes.

But if he doesn't, and he runs a 4.6, should we consider him a bust in the NFL?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What would you say Colston's 40 time is/was?

I believe colston runs a 4.5 there's a world of difference between that and a 4.6

I know. But what if this fella happens to run a 4.5 (or better) at the combine? Can we then consider him a good prospect?

To me a good football player is a good football player. I know things will limit him in the pro's, but as long as he's no lazy slouch like BMW then I see no reason to believe he can't succeed.

Yes.

But if he doesn't, and he runs a 4.6, should we consider him a bust in the NFL?

No. We consider him a bust in the NFL when/if he doesn't perform in the NFL. For draft purposes, we should get much more interested in him if he runs a 4.5 than a 4.6 - the former getting him closer to the 2-4th round range while the latter pushes him to 4th-7th round range.

 

[FTRWRTR]

What would you say Colston's 40 time is/was?

I believe colston runs a 4.5 there's a world of difference between that and a 4.6

I know. But what if this fella happens to run a 4.5 (or better) at the combine? Can we then consider him a good prospect?

To me a good football player is a good football player. I know things will limit him in the pro's, but as long as he's no lazy slouch like BMW then I see no reason to believe he can't succeed.

Yes.

But if he doesn't, and he runs a 4.6, should we consider him a bust in the NFL?

No. We consider him a bust in the NFL when/if he doesn't perform in the NFL. For draft purposes, we should get much more interested in him if he runs a 4.5 than a 4.6 - the former getting him closer to the 2-4th round range while the latter pushes him to 4th-7th round range.

Another thing is he'll prolly get more chances to produce if he's an early pick rather than a late pick.I would also say that charles rogers had smilary impressive stats on paper as harvey and look what happened there.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

What would you say Colston's 40 time is/was?

I believe colston runs a 4.5 there's a world of difference between that and a 4.6

I know. But what if this fella happens to run a 4.5 (or better) at the combine? Can we then consider him a good prospect?

To me a good football player is a good football player. I know things will limit him in the pro's, but as long as he's no lazy slouch like BMW then I see no reason to believe he can't succeed.

Yes.

But if he doesn't, and he runs a 4.6, should we consider him a bust in the NFL?

No. We consider him a bust in the NFL when/if he doesn't perform in the NFL. For draft purposes, we should get much more interested in him if he runs a 4.5 than a 4.6 - the former getting him closer to the 2-4th round range while the latter pushes him to 4th-7th round range.

Yeah, I know what you're saying. There was a reason Colston fell to where he did and one of those reasons was his speed. But Colston was a football player. I'll I'm trying to say that maybe this guy is just a good football player reguardless of his 40 time.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

What would you say Colston's 40 time is/was?

I believe colston runs a 4.5 there's a world of difference between that and a 4.6

I know. But what if this fella happens to run a 4.5 (or better) at the combine? Can we then consider him a good prospect?

To me a good football player is a good football player. I know things will limit him in the pro's, but as long as he's no lazy slouch like BMW then I see no reason to believe he can't succeed.

Yes.

But if he doesn't, and he runs a 4.6, should we consider him a bust in the NFL?

No. We consider him a bust in the NFL when/if he doesn't perform in the NFL. For draft purposes, we should get much more interested in him if he runs a 4.5 than a 4.6 - the former getting him closer to the 2-4th round range while the latter pushes him to 4th-7th round range.

Another thing is he'll prolly get more chances to produce if he's an early pick rather than a late pick.I would also say that charles rogers had smilary impressive stats on paper as harvey and look what happened there.

CR was a lazy pothead. Had nothing to do with his stats. Lazy potheads are going to have a hard time succeeding in the NFL no matter how good thier stats are.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Is Hardy the dude that lit up Penn St?

Yes. 79/1125/16 is an outstanding year.At 6'7"/220, he's going to cause some big matchup problems. I haven't seen him play, so I'm not sure how he looks, but it's hard to argue the production.

Did you say 6'7" and 220?

That's too small for a te and a 4.6/40 is too slow for a wr, he won't do much of anything in the NFL

And I understand what you two are trying to say. But this is the line for my entire arguement. 40 time does not neccasarily mean failure and success as a football player.

 

[FTRWRTR]

And I understand what you two are trying to say. But this is the line for my entire arguement. 40 time does not neccasarily mean failure and success as a football player.

I agree the 40 time is not the only factor that determines whether or not a guy will do well but you can't dismiss it as a factor either. Put it like this, name a wr who runs a 4.6 who is good

 

[Mr. Peterson]

And I understand what you two are trying to say. But this is the line for my entire arguement. 40 time does not neccasarily mean failure and success as a football player.

I agree the 40 time is not the only factor that determines whether or not a guy will do well but you can't dismiss it as a factor either. Put it like this, name a wr who runs a 4.6 who is good

No, I see your point. And I don't know of any WR's that run a 4.6 40. But then again I don't know of any that are 6'7" either.

 

[redman]

Another thing is he'll prolly get more chances to produce if he's an early pick rather than a late pick.I would also say that charles rogers had smilary impressive stats on paper as harvey and look what happened there.

Are you suggesting that there's a correllation between 40 times and drug usage?

 

[Football Jones]

Obviously, faster is better. That said, the 4.6 doesn't bother me if he has other qualities. I believe Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 at his combine.

Being 6'7" is a huge advantage if he has the tools to exploit it. At the very least, Hardy is an interesting prospect.

 

[jeter23]

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/...7431920865.html

University of Hawai'i slotback Davone Bess has applied for the NFL draft, according to Kenny Zuckerman, who will represent Bess as his agent.

By signing with Zuckerman's firm today, Bess' decision becomes irreversible.

"He's not going back to school," Zuckerman said.

The 5-foot-10, 190-pound Bess based his decision on his strong season (108 catches, 1,266 yards, 12 touchdowns), his good health and a strong rating from an NFL advisory committee, Zuckerman said.

Zuckerman said Bess earned second-round ratings from three evaluators.

Bess also returned punts the past two seasons. He led the Warriors this season with 16 returns for 169 yards and a 10.6 average.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

What's the scouting report or skill level compared to rest of LB pool with Maryland LB Erin Henderson? Who does he compare to?

 

[Cookiemonster]

Obviously, faster is better. That said, the 4.6 doesn't bother me if he has other qualities. I believe Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 at his combine. Being 6'7" is a huge advantage if he has the tools to exploit it. At the very least, Hardy is an interesting prospect.

Wasn't Anquan in that ballpark too?

 

[Burning Sensation]

And I understand what you two are trying to say. But this is the line for my entire arguement. 40 time does not neccasarily mean failure and success as a football player.

I agree the 40 time is not the only factor that determines whether or not a guy will do well but you can't dismiss it as a factor either. Put it like this, name a wr who runs a 4.6 who is good

Anquan Boldin ran a 4.7

 

[FTRWRTR]

And I understand what you two are trying to say. But this is the line for my entire arguement. 40 time does not neccasarily mean failure and success as a football player.

I agree the 40 time is not the only factor that determines whether or not a guy will do well but you can't dismiss it as a factor either. Put it like this, name a wr who runs a 4.6 who is good

Anquan Boldin ran a 4.7

Every year ppl mention boldin's slow 40 time at the combine and don't know the whole story that puts his slow time into proper context. He was a month removed from surgery and a few weeks later at FSU's pro day ran a 4.45

 

[Burning Sensation]

And I understand what you two are trying to say. But this is the line for my entire arguement. 40 time does not neccasarily mean failure and success as a football player.

I agree the 40 time is not the only factor that determines whether or not a guy will do well but you can't dismiss it as a factor either. Put it like this, name a wr who runs a 4.6 who is good

Anquan Boldin ran a 4.7

Every year ppl mention boldin's slow 40 time at the combine and don't know the whole story that puts his slow time into proper context. He was a month removed from surgery and a few weeks later at FSU's pro day ran a 4.45

OK, Terell Owens and Jerry Rice

 

[Burning Sensation]

And I understand what you two are trying to say. But this is the line for my entire arguement. 40 time does not neccasarily mean failure and success as a football player.

I agree the 40 time is not the only factor that determines whether or not a guy will do well but you can't dismiss it as a factor either. Put it like this, name a wr who runs a 4.6 who is good

Anquan Boldin ran a 4.7

Every year ppl mention boldin's slow 40 time at the combine and don't know the whole story that puts his slow time into proper context. He was a month removed from surgery and a few weeks later at FSU's pro day ran a 4.45

OK, Terell Owens and Jerry Rice

Michael Clayton and Larry Fitzgerald

 

[Pat Patriot]

James Hardy is a STUD. I think he will do very well in the NFL.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Bess Confirmed

I like him as a slot reciever. Great hands, good speed, crisp routes. Probably is too small/weak to match up with corners at the LOS. I'd slot him 3-4 round.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

James Hardy is a STUD. I think he will do very well in the NFL.

He's a great prospect, great measurables but has really been held back by poor QB play from Kellen Lewis. He could be a monster in the NFL if he stops dropping easy catches.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

What's the scouting report or skill level compared to rest of LB pool with Maryland LB Erin Henderson? Who does he compare to?

In my mind he's the #2 OLB prospect behind Rivers. But he's got a ton more value in that he is a much more rangy in coverage and has great instincts (HS QB) so he could really be successful in the 3-4OLB/ILB or 4-3WLB. Great leader and always around the ball. Perfect Tampa-2 WLB. Has played both 34 and 43. Needs to show he has fully healed from his knee injury. He's a top-50 prospect right now but if he lights it up at the combine, I could see him going late round 1 and easily the #1OLB.

Derrick Harvey in.

AWESOME. He's going to be a good 4-3 WLB. Played better this year than expected despite double teams and showed some great explosion off the snap. 3-4 OLB is in consideration as well, though i think his value isn't as high in this scheme.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Devin Thomas WR, Michigan State leaving early

:drool:

 

[EBF]

Chad Johnson and Antonio Bryant were 4.6 40 guys as well. A lot of people attributed Chad's poor times to his awful starting technique, but he was a 4.6 guy all the same.

 

[jasonbay]

How many players are you guys expecting to enter the draft ? The advisory panel seems to think 35-50 outta of the I believe 167 that requested draft stock analyst , is that fairly accurate or are they just playing it by average? Does anyone know what year had the least and most entering a draft?

 

[redman]

And I understand what you two are trying to say. But this is the line for my entire arguement. 40 time does not neccasarily mean failure and success as a football player.

I agree the 40 time is not the only factor that determines whether or not a guy will do well but you can't dismiss it as a factor either. Put it like this, name a wr who runs a 4.6 who is good

Anquan Boldin ran a 4.7

As long as we're careful in arguing that 4.7 does not necessarily (but still probably) is an insurmountable obstacle to being a gold NFL WR, then we're OK here. Anything more than that and we're getting onto thin ice.

 

[Balco]

And I understand what you two are trying to say. But this is the line for my entire arguement. 40 time does not neccasarily mean failure and success as a football player.

I agree the 40 time is not the only factor that determines whether or not a guy will do well but you can't dismiss it as a factor either. Put it like this, name a wr who runs a 4.6 who is good

Anquan Boldin ran a 4.7

As long as we're careful in arguing that 4.7 does not necessarily (but still probably) is an insurmountable obstacle to being a gold NFL WR, then we're OK here. Anything more than that and we're getting onto thin ice.

If you are a receiver who runs a 4.7 with poor route running ability, then yes, your chances of having a successful NFL career are slim and none. However, if you are a receiver who runs a 4.6-4.7 who runs precise routes, you certainly can have a very successful NFL career. (see Rice, Jerry).

 

[redman]

And I understand what you two are trying to say. But this is the line for my entire arguement. 40 time does not neccasarily mean failure and success as a football player.

I agree the 40 time is not the only factor that determines whether or not a guy will do well but you can't dismiss it as a factor either. Put it like this, name a wr who runs a 4.6 who is good

Anquan Boldin ran a 4.7

As long as we're careful in arguing that 4.7 does not necessarily (but still probably) is an insurmountable obstacle to being a gold NFL WR, then we're OK here. Anything more than that and we're getting onto thin ice.

If you are a receiver who runs a 4.7 with poor route running ability, then yes, your chances of having a successful NFL career are slim and none. However, if you are a receiver who runs a 4.6-4.7 who runs precise routes, you certainly can have a very successful NFL career. (see Rice, Jerry).

We're saying the same thing. What % of guys who run 4.7 40 times at the combine get into and stay in the NFL for, say, more than 2 years?

 

[jeter23]

ESPN is reporting that Mendenhall is entering the draft.

 

[jasonbay]

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/

Is anyone else reporting that Orlando Sandrick CB from Boise St entering early?

Edit: That was an awesome run Ray Rice just did, speaking of him.. do people expect him to declare?

 

[Don Quixote]

Edit: That was an awesome run Ray Rice just did, speaking of him.. do people expect him to declare?

I think he's as good as gone. He doesn't have anything more to prove at this point.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Mario Manningham STAYING for senior year

Good decision, as he can cement him stock with another solid season but will Mallett be able to get him the ball like henne did? I think so.

Truth be told, I want to see someone of his caliber in the spread.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Edit: That was an awesome run Ray Rice just did, speaking of him.. do people expect him to declare?

I think he's as good as gone. He doesn't have anything more to prove at this point.

I'm not watching the game but I just saw that he has 280 yards and 4 tds? Nice! Ball State is in a bowl game?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Mario Manningham STAYING for senior year

Good decision, as he can cement him stock with another solid season but will Mallett be able to get him the ball like henne did? I think so.

Truth be told, I want to see someone of his caliber in the spread.

I think it's a good decision too. He has a chance to be the top WR in the draft next year (from the little that I know) with a better season whereas this year he's more of a second rounder.

 

[jasonbay]

Mario Manningham STAYING for senior year

Good decision, as he can cement him stock with another solid season but will Mallett be able to get him the ball like henne did? I think so.

Truth be told, I want to see someone of his caliber in the spread.

I think so, Mallet has a cannon.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Mario Manningham STAYING for senior year

Good decision, as he can cement him stock with another solid season but will Mallett be able to get him the ball like henne did? I think so.

Truth be told, I want to see someone of his caliber in the spread.

I think so, Mallet has a cannon.

I was hoping he would come out because this is the year I think the Bills grab a WR early in the draft and if they don't grab one in the 1st I can see him being there in the 2nd. Or if nothing else at least another team can grab him pushing another WR farther down for the Bills to grab.

 

[coolnerd]

Mario Manningham STAYING for senior year

Good decision, as he can cement him stock with another solid season but will Mallett be able to get him the ball like henne did? I think so.

Truth be told, I want to see someone of his caliber in the spread.

I think so, Mallet has a cannon.

Rumor has it that Mallet is goin to transfer because of changes in offense. I think Manningham did not have a good enough junior to get a good grade.

 

[jeter23]

Mario Manningham STAYING for senior year

Good decision, as he can cement him stock with another solid season but will Mallett be able to get him the ball like henne did? I think so.

Truth be told, I want to see someone of his caliber in the spread.

I think so, Mallet has a cannon.

Rumor has it that Mallet is goin to transfer because of changes in offense. I think Manningham did not have a good enough junior to get a good grade.

I agree about Manningham and I have heard the transfer rumors as well. Arkansas maybe to pair up with Petrino?

 

[coolnerd]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...t.123015f6.html

Texas A&M's Martellus Bennett to enter NFL draft

04:10 PM CST on Saturday, January 5, 2008

By BRIAN DAVIS / The Dallas Morning News

brdavis@dallasnews.com

COLLEGE STATION, Texas – Texas A&M junior Martellus Bennett, an athletic 6-7 tight and one of the Aggies' most loquacious players ever, announced Saturday that he'll forgo his senior season and declare for the NFL draft.

Bennett's decision was somewhat expected. An NFL committee that evaluates underclassmen indicated to Bennett that he could be a first-round pick. Bennett told his family of his decision on Saturday afternoon at his home in Alief, Texas.

"Everything we received from the NFL as far as projections were what we wanted to hear," Bennett told the Houston Chronicle. "With the coaching situation it would be hard to come back for my senior season and get into a groove learning a new system."

Bennett told the Chronicle that new A&M coach Mike Sherman helped him evaluate his draft status. He caught 105 passes for 1,246 yards and 10 touchdowns in three seasons, but many felt former coach Dennis Franchione didn’t use Bennett properly.

Bennett came to A&M as the nation’s No. 1-rated tight end. In 36 career games, Bennett averaged only 34.6 yards per game.

In October, when asked if he'd have to go to the NFL scouting combine to show his talents, Bennett said, "I have to show it somewhere." Still, Bennett said Saturday he loved his time in Aggieland.

"I had a great time, met a lot of people and I think I became a fan favorite," Bennett said. "Being an Aggie is one of the best things about the experience. My family turned into Aggies."

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Texas A&M's Martellus Bennett to enter NFL draft

Cool stuff here. I love his upside and think he should come off the board as the first or second TE. 2nd round grade from me.

 

[redman]

Texas A&M's Martellus Bennett to enter NFL draft

Cool stuff here. I love his upside and think he should come off the board as the first or second TE. 2nd round grade from me.

What TE from the last couple of drafts does he compare to?