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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (1 Viewer)

Ummm no. McNabb refused to get in and out of the huddle quickly. McNabb refused to run the offense at the tempo that the qb needs to in Kyle's offense. McNabb refused to wear the wristband. Etc. There's a reason that the offense looked and ran much better with Grossman in there, because he actually did what Kyle coached him to do.

At this point it's pretty clear that McNabb was basically a lesser (and much more team friendly) version of Haynesworth with regards to doing what he wanted and not listening to the coaches.

Had McNabb acted like a professional, and actually did what the coaches wanted him to do, the "experiment" would of probably worked.
Dexter gets it. This is on McNabb and McNabb only. :thumbup:
Hardly.Look, whatever "side" anyone comes down on in this matter is probably a reflection on how they view the type of relationship a player (or, at the very least, a QB) and a coach should have. But if anyone thinks the fault lies entirely on one side or the other is missing the fact that any good and successful player/coach relationship has to have some amount of give and take from both sides. No matter where you fall on that spectrum of who has to give/take more or less, both parties have a hand in the success or failure of the relationship.

Personally, I believe a good (i.e. successful) NFL coach should have complete authority over his roster but shouldn't wield that authority without any regard to what his roster gives him to work with. Meaning, ultimately it's his ship to run, but his players are going to have strengths and weaknesses so some amount of concessions against "his way" will have to be made at some point in order to put his players in the best positions for them to be successful.

I haven't heard much about either side, McNabb or the coaching staff, giving back to the other in the relationship. Both seem to have tried to force whatever, and only what, they want. If that truly is the case, then I believe both sides are equally at fault for the failed relationship.

 
No the main reason the McNabb experiement didn't work is because the Shannahans didn't do their homework on him.
Ummm no. McNabb refused to get in and out of the huddle quickly. McNabb refused to run the offense at the tempo that the qb needs to in Kyle's offense. McNabb refused to wear the wristband. Etc. There's a reason that the offense looked and ran much better with Grossman in there, because he actually did what Kyle coached him to do.At this point it's pretty clear that McNabb was basically a lesser (and much more team friendly) version of Haynesworth with regards to doing what he wanted and not listening to the coaches.

Had McNabb acted like a professional, and actually did what the coaches wanted him to do, the "experiment" would of probably worked.
McNabb was, with Washington, exactly what he was with Philadelphia. You don't have to look any farther than his 4th quarter drive in the Super Bowl against New England to know that he wasn't at his best playing with a sense of urgency. I think that proves Thayman's point that the Shanahans did not do their homework. As Dennis Green would say, "He is who we thought he was!!!"
 
So I keep reading about all these other teams having player organized workouts (the pats up here had a few last week and almost 50 guys showed up). Any word on the Skins doing anything of the sort?

 
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So I keep reading about all these other teams having player organized workouts (the pats up here had a few last week and almost 50 guys showed up). Any word on the Skins doing anything of the sort?
The Skins held a 3-day minicamp a week or so ago that had 40+ players attend. The had another a month or so ago with similar numbers.ESPN gives all the "glory" on this topic to the Pats, Cowboys, etc., but the Skins have had some of the most consistent attendance at these workouts.
 
So I keep reading about all these other teams having player organized workouts (the pats up here had a few last week and almost 50 guys showed up). Any word on the Skins doing anything of the sort?
The Skins held a 3-day minicamp a week or so ago that had 40+ players attend. The had another a month or so ago with similar numbers.ESPN gives all the "glory" on this topic to the Pats, Cowboys, etc., but the Skins have had some of the most consistent attendance at these workouts.
Eli only had 6-7 show for his 2 weeks. =(
 
Ummm no. McNabb refused to get in and out of the huddle quickly. McNabb refused to run the offense at the tempo that the qb needs to in Kyle's offense. McNabb refused to wear the wristband. Etc. There's a reason that the offense looked and ran much better with Grossman in there, because he actually did what Kyle coached him to do.

At this point it's pretty clear that McNabb was basically a lesser (and much more team friendly) version of Haynesworth with regards to doing what he wanted and not listening to the coaches.

Had McNabb acted like a professional, and actually did what the coaches wanted him to do, the "experiment" would of probably worked.
Dexter gets it. This is on McNabb and McNabb only. :thumbup:
Hardly.Look, whatever "side" anyone comes down on in this matter is probably a reflection on how they view the type of relationship a player (or, at the very least, a QB) and a coach should have. But if anyone thinks the fault lies entirely on one side or the other is missing the fact that any good and successful player/coach relationship has to have some amount of give and take from both sides. No matter where you fall on that spectrum of who has to give/take more or less, both parties have a hand in the success or failure of the relationship.

Personally, I believe a good (i.e. successful) NFL coach should have complete authority over his roster but shouldn't wield that authority without any regard to what his roster gives him to work with. Meaning, ultimately it's his ship to run, but his players are going to have strengths and weaknesses so some amount of concessions against "his way" will have to be made at some point in order to put his players in the best positions for them to be successful.

I haven't heard much about either side, McNabb or the coaching staff, giving back to the other in the relationship. Both seem to have tried to force whatever, and only what, they want. If that truly is the case, then I believe both sides are equally at fault for the failed relationship.
Mostly :goodposting: To think that a 13 year QB is suddenly going to change is just stupid IMO. If McNabb and Kyle Shannahan can't work together that's fine, but the team should have done it's due diligence prior to trading for him.

 
'thayman said:
To think that a 13 year QB is suddenly going to change is just stupid IMO. If McNabb and Kyle Shannahan can't work together that's fine, but the team should have done it's due diligence prior to trading for him.
At this point, the only thing I would have liked him to change would have been to get used to the differences of a new coaching staff. I'm starting to think he spent the past season still acting like an "Andy Reid-coached" player. If he wasn't prepared to adjust to differing coaching philosophies, attitudes and styles that may have been the biggest fault on his end.
 
'thayman said:
To think that a 13 year QB is suddenly going to change is just stupid IMO. If McNabb and Kyle Shannahan can't work together that's fine, but the team should have done it's due diligence prior to trading for him.
At this point, the only thing I would have liked him to change would have been to get used to the differences of a new coaching staff. I'm starting to think he spent the past season still acting like an "Andy Reid-coached" player. If he wasn't prepared to adjust to differing coaching philosophies, attitudes and styles that may have been the biggest fault on his end.
He has been in one system his whole career. Don't get me wrong, I think some fault does like with McNabb. I just also think that a competent coaching staff should have forseen these issues prior to him coming to DC.
 
My thought is that the bolded never happened. I think Mike and Bruce went out to get him prior to talking to Kyle.
That is what I think as well. Mike and Bruce just threw a QB and an OC together without any thought of how they'd actually work together. It raises the question of whether the problem was Mike/Bruce, or Kyle, or Donovan.
 
At this point it's pretty clear that McNabb was basically a lesser (and much more team friendly) version of Haynesworth with regards to doing what he wanted and not listening to the coaches.

Had McNabb acted like a professional, and actually did what the coaches wanted him to do, the "experiment" would of probably worked.
A coaching staff and front office that are confrontational with their leading players, and then doesn't have any clue how to handle the fallout from the confrontations for the betterment of the team --- that's what I see in the situation. Remind me again why this front office and coaching staff of geniuses did not trade Haynesworth for a 4th round pick last year. Did they preserve his value by wasting a year? Did he help the team last year? Is there any chance he will help the team this year? They kept him because they were confrontational and didn't know how to handle the fallout without making themselves look bad. And that resulted in paying millions for a dead roster spot and a guy who's still on the team, won't play for them, and for whom they can never get a 4th round pick now.

But Haynesworth fell out of favor with new coach Mike Shanahan in 2010 and repeatedly clashed over workout routines and playing time. The Redskins suspended Haynesworth for the final four games of the season for "conduct detrimental to the team."

Haynesworth exasperated Redskins coaches by essentially refusing to be part of the team's 3-4 defense last season.

“He just didn’t want to play in this scheme. He didn’t want to play in the 3-4,” Haslett said in the interview. “He didn’t want to do the things we wanted. Then we said, ‘OK, if you’re not going to do it, let’s not do it. Let’s play nickel, play the 3-technique.’

“Then, it got to the point where he said, ‘I don’t want to play first- and second-down nickel. I just want to play third-down nickel.’ Oh my God, you’re relegating yourself to 10-15 snaps a game. Then after that he didn’t want to do the blitzes, he just wanted to rush.”
linkThe Haynesworth and McNabb problems are squarely on the front office and, to a lesser extent, the coaching staff.

 
It raises the question of whether the problem was Mike/Bruce, or Kyle, or Donovan.
I suppose if you think all blame has to be placed in one place, it does raise that question. IMO, it would also have to lead towards the blame going as high as possible, since that's where the ultimate blame for failure goes. That's just how it works in life.However, if you don't feel all the blame has to go to one place, you can simply conclude that it didn't work because all parties involved didn't make it work. If you look at it as Sidewinder did (and as I do), it was a failed relationship because neither side appeared willing to put their ego (or image or whatever) aside for the betterment of the team.Sure, I'd love to know how that trade went down. But, it really doesn't change anything for me going forward. It didn't work. It was a mistake. Move on. Another season is on its way in a few months...or maybe a year...who knows...man, I want football back.
 
So I keep reading about all these other teams having player organized workouts (the pats up here had a few last week and almost 50 guys showed up). Any word on the Skins doing anything of the sort?
The Skins held a 3-day minicamp a week or so ago that had 40+ players attend. The had another a month or so ago with similar numbers.ESPN gives all the "glory" on this topic to the Pats, Cowboys, etc., but the Skins have had some of the most consistent attendance at these workouts.
Nice, who lead the workouts? John Beck? Do you have a link to that info?
 
'southeastjerome said:
So I keep reading about all these other teams having player organized workouts (the pats up here had a few last week and almost 50 guys showed up). Any word on the Skins doing anything of the sort?
The Skins held a 3-day minicamp a week or so ago that had 40+ players attend. The had another a month or so ago with similar numbers.ESPN gives all the "glory" on this topic to the Pats, Cowboys, etc., but the Skins have had some of the most consistent attendance at these workouts.
Nice, who lead the workouts? John Beck? Do you have a link to that info?
Fletcher organized the workouts. Keim's blog and WaPo's blog chronicled them pretty well (I believe the first one was ~mid-April and the 2nd one was the last week of May).
 
It raises the question of whether the problem was Mike/Bruce, or Kyle, or Donovan.
I suppose if you think all blame has to be placed in one place, it does raise that question. IMO, it would also have to lead towards the blame going as high as possible, since that's where the ultimate blame for failure goes. That's just how it works in life.However, if you don't feel all the blame has to go to one place, you can simply conclude that it didn't work because all parties involved didn't make it work. If you look at it as Sidewinder did (and as I do), it was a failed relationship because neither side appeared willing to put their ego (or image or whatever) aside for the betterment of the team.Sure, I'd love to know how that trade went down. But, it really doesn't change anything for me going forward. It didn't work. It was a mistake. Move on. Another season is on its way in a few months...or maybe a year...who knows...man, I want football back.
Except with the McNabb situation the HC and GM should have realized that McNabb would not fit with Kyle. As far as offenses in the NFL go the QB and the OC need to be on the same page. IMO the front office/HC dropped the ball on that one.
 
Except with the McNabb situation the HC and GM should have realized that McNabb would not fit with Kyle. As far as offenses in the NFL go the QB and the OC need to be on the same page. IMO the front office/HC dropped the ball on that one.
That's the way I see it as well. McNabb was not an unknown quantity. Neither was Kyle Shanahan or "his offense".
 
Chris Russell reported today on ESPN980 that Mike Williams "will not be back with the Redskins this year." He said Williams is unhappy with the Skins and with his blood clot problem not being diagnosed for awhile by them, and that he is still taking blood thinners.

It's odd using the word "thinner" in a post about Mike Williams.

 
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'fatness said:
Chris Russell reported today on ESPN980 that Mike Williams "will not be back with the Redskins this year." He said Williams is unhappy with the skin and with his blood clot problem not being diagnosed for awhile by them, and that he is still taking blood thinners. It's odd using the word "thinner" in a post about Mike Williams.
That's sad. I know he busted out in Buffalo but I was hoping he would be able to turn his career around in DC.
 
For those that haven't heard, Fed Ex Field will have a new look next year. Thousands of upper level endzone seats are being removed to add "party decks". The party decks apparently will be similar to Dallas' party decks and be around $29 for standing room only tickets. I assume these will be single game tickets and not season tickets. Last year, club level endzone seats were removed for standing room only seats. Those were a little pricier since they provide access to the club level.So, Fed Ex Field will no longer be just a big bowl. It will now be a big bowl with a little bit of a cutout at the top of each endzone.
But how can they do this when they've got tens and tens of thousands of people already on the season ticket waiting list? Where are they going to put all those long-time upper level endzone ticketholders who are being displaced? :rolleyes: Obviously they can't unload all of these seats, so they're moving the current occupants to better locations and then converting the unused inventory to "party decks."
The company line is that they aren't going to sell any tickets to wait list people this year (which I assume they still claim exists). Any seats opened up by season ticket holders not renewing in 2011 will be filled through upgrades to current season ticket holders.
I got on the wait list a few years ago. The Redskins have offered me season tickets a few times. Since I did not take the offer, I believe I am still on the waitlist.
 
No the main reason the McNabb experiement didn't work is because the Shannahans didn't do their homework on him.
The Redskins ####ed up badly signing him because it was clear pretty quickly that they didn't want him.
So if Kyle never wanted him -- as has been reported...And if Mike defers to Kyle re: who plays at QB -- as has been reported...

And if Bruce is not the personnel guy over Mike -- as has been reported...Then who made the decision to go get McNabb?
I'd like to buy into the theory that Snyder interferred, but I don't think so. He doesn't seem like he has been involved in any other player moves so why this one?My thought is that the bolded never happened. I think Mike and Bruce went out to get him prior to talking to Kyle. During the seasone it becomes apparant that Kyle and McNabb can't get work and Mike and Bruce side with Kyle.
I don't think I have ever heard that Mike defers to Kyle on any personnel decision.
 
Chris Russell reported today on ESPN980 that Mike Williams "will not be back with the Redskins this year." He said Williams is unhappy with the Skins and with his blood clot problem not being diagnosed for awhile by them, and that he is still taking blood thinners. It's odd using the word "thinner" in a post about Mike Williams.
I thought this was diagnosed a few months after he signed a new 2 year contract. Obviously, if it had been diagnosed earlier, the Redskins would not have offered him a contract.
 
No the main reason the McNabb experiement didn't work is because the Shannahans didn't do their homework on him.
The Redskins ####ed up badly signing him because it was clear pretty quickly that they didn't want him.
So if Kyle never wanted him -- as has been reported...And if Mike defers to Kyle re: who plays at QB -- as has been reported...

And if Bruce is not the personnel guy over Mike -- as has been reported...Then who made the decision to go get McNabb?
I'd like to buy into the theory that Snyder interferred, but I don't think so. He doesn't seem like he has been involved in any other player moves so why this one?My thought is that the bolded never happened. I think Mike and Bruce went out to get him prior to talking to Kyle. During the seasone it becomes apparant that Kyle and McNabb can't get work and Mike and Bruce side with Kyle.
I don't think I have ever heard that Mike defers to Kyle on any personnel decision.
I didn't say that he did.
 
No the main reason the McNabb experiement didn't work is because the Shannahans didn't do their homework on him.
The Redskins ####ed up badly signing him because it was clear pretty quickly that they didn't want him.
So if Kyle never wanted him -- as has been reported...And if Mike defers to Kyle re: who plays at QB -- as has been reported...

And if Bruce is not the personnel guy over Mike -- as has been reported...Then who made the decision to go get McNabb?
I'd like to buy into the theory that Snyder interferred, but I don't think so. He doesn't seem like he has been involved in any other player moves so why this one?My thought is that the bolded never happened. I think Mike and Bruce went out to get him prior to talking to Kyle. During the seasone it becomes apparant that Kyle and McNabb can't get work and Mike and Bruce side with Kyle.
Yea, I agree that Snydyer definitely wasn't involved with the McNabb trade. Who knows whether or not Shanahan and Bruce consulted with Kyle wrt signing McNabb.
One of the frequent refrains of his post-Tony Wyllie media appearances is that Dan Snyder is now a hands-off owner. Another sometimes-twist to this refrain is that, while circumstances forced him to be hands-on during the Zorn Era, he was previously hands-off during the Gibbs Era. To wit, heres Snyder talking to Dan Hellie and Lindsay Czarniak last week

You know whats interesting is theres a little bit of a misperception here. When Joe Gibbs was here for over four seasons, nobody came to talk to me about football, and the same thing now. It was very similar between Mike Shanahan and Joe Gibbs, that they take command of the football team, and I love that. I mean, for me its easy. I dont want to be involved.

Or there was this, from his interview with the gentlemen at Hogs Haven in 2010:

Im here, number one, for support, OK? It starts with hiring the right people and give them support and let them do their jobs and let them be successful by doing their jobs. And it ends there. Its very simplistic. When Joe Gibbs was here for four years, you didnt hear anything about meddling or anything at all...not a word. The last two years, you know, can be excuses, but reality is reality. We were not good for two seasons, and went in the wrong direction.

Or there was this, from his Super Bowl interview with Jim Rome:

Its the same process I went through with Joe Gibbs for four years. As Joe said, he had no budget, and he exceeded it. So my role is to help sign the checks, support what they want to do and their missions in free agency, and whatever decision and route they take Im sure will be different than what Joe did, but Ill be the same as I was with him.

So thats all pretty clear. During the Gibbs Era, nobody came to talk to Snyder about football. There was no talk of meddling. Snyder only signed the checks.

Except this is what Gibbs said at the time. Like, from April, 2007:

The three of us [Gibbs, Snyder and Cerrato] normally at the end of it try and come up with a final game plan for the draft....Dans philosophy is to be aggressive. We fall in the category of being more aggressive and its based on Dan being as aggressive as he is.

Or this, from September, 2006:

We talk a lot. We are back and forth all the time. We work down the hall from one another. I count on his opinion. Hes very instrumental on the draft, the salary-cap, free agency, strategy on how the team should be built.

Or this from the Virginian-Pilot in April, 2007, about draft prep:

The highest-rated players are brought in for meetings with owner Dan Snyder, Gibbs and other organization members. A meal is arranged as a final effort to find any nugget of new information....Snyder, Gibbs and Cerrato also will meet during this period to review how well certain prospects might fit in the organization.

Or this, from the AP in 2007:

Gibbs is holding several days of talks with owner Dan Snyder about the direction of the team. The coach said hes willing to talk about anything, but he called incorrect any assumptions that he was open to hiring a general manager or that he would change the teams aggressive approach in making offseason moves.

Or this from the Washington Times in 2007, which reported that Snyder had attended two draft workouts, including that of Calvin Johnson:

[Johnsons workout] was really impressive, Snyder said. Weve had dinner with 25 of the first-round picks, and we tried to cover as much ground as we could in a limited amount of time.

So, at the risk of being obsessed, let me point out that during the Gibbs Era, there was no meddling and nobody talked to Dan Snyder about football and all he did was sign the checks, and also the draft strategy was based on his philosophy and he was instrumental in shaping the teams free agency approach and he met with draft prospects and watched their workouts.

Got it.
Dan Snyder, Joe Gibbs and being hands-off
 
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No the main reason the McNabb experiement didn't work is because the Shannahans didn't do their homework on him.
The Redskins ####ed up badly signing him because it was clear pretty quickly that they didn't want him.
So if Kyle never wanted him -- as has been reported...And if Mike defers to Kyle re: who plays at QB -- as has been reported...

And if Bruce is not the personnel guy over Mike -- as has been reported...Then who made the decision to go get McNabb?
I'd like to buy into the theory that Snyder interferred, but I don't think so. He doesn't seem like he has been involved in any other player moves so why this one?My thought is that the bolded never happened. I think Mike and Bruce went out to get him prior to talking to Kyle. During the seasone it becomes apparant that Kyle and McNabb can't get work and Mike and Bruce side with Kyle.
Yea, I agree that Snydyer definitely wasn't involved with the McNabb trade. Who knows whether or not Shanahan and Bruce consulted with Kyle wrt signing McNabb.
One of the frequent refrains of his post-Tony Wyllie media appearances is that Dan Snyder is now a hands-off owner. Another sometimes-twist to this refrain is that, while circumstances forced him to be hands-on during the Zorn Era, he was previously hands-off during the Gibbs Era. To wit, here’s Snyder talking to Dan Hellie and Lindsay Czarniak last week”

“You know what’s interesting is there’s a little bit of a misperception here. When Joe Gibbs was here for over four seasons, nobody came to talk to me about football, and the same thing now. It was very similar between Mike Shanahan and Joe Gibbs, that they take command of the football team, and I love that. I mean, for me it’s easy. I don’t want to be involved. ”

Or there was this, from his interview with the gentlemen at Hogs Haven in 2010:

“I’m here, number one, for support, OK? It starts with hiring the right people and give them support and let them do their jobs and let them be successful by doing their jobs. And it ends there. It’s very simplistic. When Joe Gibbs was here for four years, you didn’t hear anything about meddling or anything at all...not a word. The last two years, you know, can be excuses, but reality is reality. We were not good for two seasons, and went in the wrong direction.”

Or there was this, from his Super Bowl interview with Jim Rome:

“It’s the same process I went through with Joe Gibbs for four years. As Joe said, he had no budget, and he exceeded it. So my role is to help sign the checks, support what they want to do and their missions in free agency, and whatever decision and route they take I’m sure will be different than what Joe did, but I’ll be the same as I was with him.”

So that’s all pretty clear. During the Gibbs Era, nobody came to talk to Snyder about football. There was no talk of meddling. Snyder only signed the checks.

Except this is what Gibbs said at the time. Like, from April, 2007:

The three of us [Gibbs, Snyder and Cerrato] normally at the end of it try and come up with a final game plan for the draft....Dan’s philosophy is to be aggressive. We fall in the category of being more aggressive and it’s based on Dan being as aggressive as he is.”

Or this, from September, 2006:

We talk a lot. We are back and forth all the time. We work down the hall from one another. I count on his opinion. He’s very instrumental on the draft, the salary-cap, free agency, strategy on how the team should be built.”

Or this from the Virginian-Pilot in April, 2007, about draft prep:

The highest-rated players are brought in for meetings with owner Dan Snyder, Gibbs and other organization members. A meal is arranged as a final effort to find any nugget of new information....Snyder, Gibbs and Cerrato also will meet during this period to review how well certain prospects might fit in the organization.

Or this, from the AP in 2007:

Gibbs is holding several days of talks with owner Dan Snyder about the direction of the team. The coach said he’s “willing to talk about anything,” but he called “incorrect” any assumptions that he was open to hiring a general manager or that he would change the team’s aggressive approach in making offseason moves.

Or this from the Washington Times in 2007, which reported that Snyder had attended two draft workouts, including that of Calvin Johnson:

“[Johnson’s workout] was really impressive,” Snyder said. “We’ve had dinner with 25 of the first-round picks, and we tried to cover as much ground as we could in a limited amount of time.”

So, at the risk of being obsessed, let me point out that during the Gibbs Era, there was no meddling and nobody talked to Dan Snyder about football and all he did was sign the checks, and also the draft strategy was based on his philosophy and he was instrumental in shaping the team’s free agency approach and he met with draft prospects and watched their workouts.

Got it.
Dan Snyder, Joe Gibbs and being hands-off
I think the real question is what is your definition of "Hands Off". It's pretty silly to assume that Snyder will ever be completely hands off, he needs to pay the contracts. The real key is having football people in place that A) Have a high football IQ and can build a team the right way

B) Snyder listens to

Cerrato had B but not A. Shannahan and Allen have B, but I'm not so sure about A yet.

 
The real key is having football people in place that A) Have a high football IQ and can build a team the right wayB) Snyder listens toCerrato had B but not A. Shannahan and Allen have B, but I'm not so sure about A yet.
I'm not sure about A yet either. I criticized some of their personnel moves last year at a time when the glow from hiring a new, Super-Bowl-on-resume coach was still warm and people naturally wanted to give Shanahan (and Allen) the benefit of the doubt. I don't think they deserve the benefit of the doubt any more. They made multiple ####ty personnel moves last year and each one of them has a record of similar ####ty personnel moves during previous employment elsewhere.I will say that this year's draft looks good at this time. But it'll take awhile to evaluate to see how the picks actually do. The keys to watch this year are what they do in free agency, and how they handle the McNabb and Haynesworth situations.
 
Speaking of the Haynesworth circus fiasco situation, Vonnie Holliday had a lot to say recently.

“Short of getting into a fight with Big Al, you can’t tell him what to do,” Holliday said, via NFL.com. “As frank as Coach Haslett was on the radio station about what transpired throughout the course of last year with Albert I thought there was a missed opportunity there for coaches.

“Maybe this is something that was just instilled in me early in my career — you just don’t take your phone to a meeting. If a phone rings in a meeting it is an issue. It is a problem. You are going to get cursed out, fussed out and fined. Any number of things are going to happen to you by your coach. I’m terrified.

“These younger guys it is not the same. It’s not looked at as the same. Unfortunately Albert … some of the stuff that Coach Haslett is talking about, having a phone in the meeting, it was just not addressed. Coming up, you’re telling a guy, ‘Hey don’t bring your phone to a meeting. You can’t do that.’ I mean, the way we get through to these guys is to fine them and that just never happened throughout the year.”

Eventually, the Redskins suspended Haynesworth four games without pay for conduct detrimental to the team. If the Redskins keep him around in 2011, it remains to be seen whether minor rules violations will be punished as those minor rules violations occur.
 
Justin Tryon attends 'Skins player-led workout, plus attendance:

OFFENSE:

WR Anthony Armstrong, WR Brandon Banks, QB John Beck, OL Selvish Capers, TE Chris Cooley, QB Rex Grossman, OL Kory Lichtensteiger, OL Will Montgomery, OL Clint Oldenburg, TE Logan Paulsen, FB Mike Sellers, RB Chad Simpson, RB Ryan Torain, RB Keiland Williams, FB Darrel Young, WR Leonard Hankerson, OL Maurice Hurt, WR Aldrick Robinson and RB Evan Royster.

DEFENSE:

LB Lorenzo Alexander, DB Kevin Barnes, LB London Fletcher, DE Kedric Golston, S Chris Horton, LB Rob Jackson, S Kareem Moore, LB Brian Orakpo, S Anderson Russell, DB DeJon Gomes, LB Ryan Kerrigan and NT Chris Neild.
 
'fatness said:
An educated guess at the Redskins' salary and cap situation.
So it's estimated that they have $80 million committed to 50 current players and the rookies will be another $10-15 million. And you know some of the vets are going to get cut/traded so that $80 million # is going to go down (trading/cutting McNabb alone would shave $12.5 million off that #).If the cap is around $120 million or so, the Redskins should be at least $40 million under the cap going into FA if these figures are correct.

 
Fletcher is the man. I can see that dude moving into coaching after retirement if he chooses to. Not that I want him to retire any time soon.A common thread to all these reports (not just these but past ones as well) is that Beck is kind of an organizational leader but that Grossman has done better with this throws. If the Redskins don't bring in someone else (wish it were Orton but aint gonna happen), then this will be an interesting QB competition. My guess is that while Beck will get an A for effort, Grossman may be opening day starter...

 
Fletcher is the man. I can see that dude moving into coaching after retirement if he chooses to. Not that I want him to retire any time soon.A common thread to all these reports (not just these but past ones as well) is that Beck is kind of an organizational leader but that Grossman has done better with this throws. If the Redskins don't bring in someone else (wish it were Orton but aint gonna happen), then this will be an interesting QB competition. My guess is that while Beck will get an A for effort, Grossman may be opening day starter...
I don't think you are even allowed to call this a competition. Can anyone name any other team that these guys would be competing for the starting QB spot? This season is set up for us to justify trading up for Luck in next year's draft.
 
Fletcher is the man. I can see that dude moving into coaching after retirement if he chooses to. Not that I want him to retire any time soon.A common thread to all these reports (not just these but past ones as well) is that Beck is kind of an organizational leader but that Grossman has done better with this throws. If the Redskins don't bring in someone else (wish it were Orton but aint gonna happen), then this will be an interesting QB competition. My guess is that while Beck will get an A for effort, Grossman may be opening day starter...
I don't think you are even allowed to call this a competition. Can anyone name any other team that these guys would be competing for the starting QB spot? This season is set up for us to justify trading up for Luck in next year's draft.
I'm not so sure we'll have to do any trading up at all.
 
Fletcher is the man. I can see that dude moving into coaching after retirement if he chooses to. Not that I want him to retire any time soon.A common thread to all these reports (not just these but past ones as well) is that Beck is kind of an organizational leader but that Grossman has done better with this throws. If the Redskins don't bring in someone else (wish it were Orton but aint gonna happen), then this will be an interesting QB competition. My guess is that while Beck will get an A for effort, Grossman may be opening day starter...
I don't think you are even allowed to call this a competition. Can anyone name any other team that these guys would be competing for the starting QB spot? This season is set up for us to justify trading up for Luck in next year's draft.
I'm not so sure we'll have to do any trading up at all.
I think we will be in a dog fight until the end for that #1. I'm a bit worried that the Bengals might be able to beat us out though.
 
the opposite of lil danny snyder

I dont make the picks. I havent done the scouting and I am NOT a professional in this regard. I believe in our scouts and in our front office and know they have been working hard and have seen - countless times - most of the top prospects.

As an Owner, I dont do other peoples jobs. If I did, we would all be in trouble. I am not an armchair GM. I do set strategy and vision but then the professionals execute on tactics and manage to outcomes and quantifiable metrics. I believe that is the best course. I wont be making or influencing our picks. How could I? I am not prepared in that regard. I didnt go to see the players play at combines; in Europe; on campus. I didnt do the interviews, etc. etc.
 
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