And actually, if they needed more slots, I would go with 2 QBs instead of 6 WRs...I mean, a lot of folks think if we practice squad Paul, he's gone. It may come down to...would you rather take the chance at losing Clemmens or Paul...I just don't think Clemmens has the potential to be a real contributer down the line they way Paul does. Look at it this way, if we go through Grossman and Beck, is Clemmens gonna save you? Paul may not save you now either but "down the line," he could contribute to a greater degree. Chris Cooley on the radio this morning sayign that all the QBs were really high on Paul...
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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)
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dgreen
Footballguy
Yes, I agree on Austin vs. Stallworth. I think it would be nice to have a veteran deep threat (Stallworth), but I'd still go with Austin.And, I think there's no chance they keep 3 QBs so Paul easily wins a Paul vs. Clemens battle.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
The more I think about it, the more Stallworth has to be the last WR cut. The team already has veteran WRs (Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong) at the top 3 spots. Is it really necessary to have a veteran at the 4th spot? Based on where this team is, and where it needs to go, I think I'd much rather have 3 young, promising WRs (Hankerson, Austin, Paul) in the 4-6 spots.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Yeah, a lot of teams keep 3 QBs if they have a developing QB or if the #2 is a questionable talent. Neither of those scenarios fit the 'Skins. I'm pretty sure both Shanahans have now said they would be comfortable with either Beck or Grossman running the offense. There will always be FA QBs that can be signed in a pinch if there is a serious injury.I've also read that the new game day active/inactive rules will allow a team to dress any other extra player (like a WR that you only intend to use as a return specialist) if only 2 QBs are active.
If true, that is a huge incentive to only keep 2 qbs active and a huge boost for Banks.
If the really do keep 7 WRs with Banks and Stallworth battling for the last spot, I assumed that Paul makes the roster.The top 5 are locks: Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Hankerson, and Austin. Paul would be WR6, and Banks/Stallworth WR7. I can't think of anyone else that would be in the mix at this point.
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fatness
Footballguy
Regardless of who gets cut today, here's what I think.
The ceiling for this team is 8-8 this year. There is no way their QB play will allow more than 8 wins. There is a generally-stronger roster from top to bottom this year, which by itself will prevent them from losing more than 12 games.
Most Redskin game this year will be decided by line play. Other teams know that if you can defeat the Redskins at the line of scrimmage, they don't have enough talent at skill positions on offense and in the LB/secondary corps on defense to overcome that.
If their offensive line can consistently run-block decently, they can take pressure off their QB's, eat up time of possession, take pressure off the defense, move field position in their favor, and tire out defenses. So much of their success or failure this year will depend on run blocking that it's hard to overstate. Their pass protection is not good. If they need to pass a lot (and their OC seems to be in love with the pass, which is not a good situation) Grossman will make a considerable number of mistakes and we have no honest idea of what Beck will do. They will lose more games with their passing game than they will win with it.
On defense, the pressure from their defensive front is critical. Their LB corps cannot pass cover well; Fletcher is OK but McIntosh is bad, Kerrigan will look lost, and Orakpo while one of my favorite players cannot cover more than briefly. Their secondary is weaker than last year, and we don't know if Landry will even play this year. Otogwe is injured; Wilson has had 1 good game, 1 bad game, and 2 injured games in preseason and there's no indication yet that he can cover as well as Carlos did. Consequently their pass defense depends very heavily on defensive front pressure limiting the time opposing QB's have to make plays. Losing Jenkins was a big, big blow in my opinion; almost as big as losing Landry would be. I think their rushing defense will be average; a decent number of stuffs accompanied by too many long gains by opposing runners.
Their roster is stronger top-to-bottom this year, which is shown by guys like Hicks who were given starting jobs last year and had to earn time as backups this year. Injuries happen and that depth will limit the disastrous effect of in-game injuries. The extent to which younger players beat out veterans for backup spots is the extent to which we may see roster improvement during the year as well -- young guys learn and improve, while vets stay the same for the most part.
I'd talk more about their improvements at WR and RB but I just don't think they're significant enough to matter if the lines cannot at least hold even with every opponent this year.
If they go 8-8 this year I'd be quite surprised and very happy. It's quite possible they'll end up 6-10 again while being a better team than they were last year. I think they'll end up 6-10 or 7-9. If they do so while the lines hold their own and their young players improve throughout the season I'll be greatly happy. It would be such an improvement over the clown show we've been subjected to for years here.
Go Skins.
The ceiling for this team is 8-8 this year. There is no way their QB play will allow more than 8 wins. There is a generally-stronger roster from top to bottom this year, which by itself will prevent them from losing more than 12 games.
Most Redskin game this year will be decided by line play. Other teams know that if you can defeat the Redskins at the line of scrimmage, they don't have enough talent at skill positions on offense and in the LB/secondary corps on defense to overcome that.
If their offensive line can consistently run-block decently, they can take pressure off their QB's, eat up time of possession, take pressure off the defense, move field position in their favor, and tire out defenses. So much of their success or failure this year will depend on run blocking that it's hard to overstate. Their pass protection is not good. If they need to pass a lot (and their OC seems to be in love with the pass, which is not a good situation) Grossman will make a considerable number of mistakes and we have no honest idea of what Beck will do. They will lose more games with their passing game than they will win with it.
On defense, the pressure from their defensive front is critical. Their LB corps cannot pass cover well; Fletcher is OK but McIntosh is bad, Kerrigan will look lost, and Orakpo while one of my favorite players cannot cover more than briefly. Their secondary is weaker than last year, and we don't know if Landry will even play this year. Otogwe is injured; Wilson has had 1 good game, 1 bad game, and 2 injured games in preseason and there's no indication yet that he can cover as well as Carlos did. Consequently their pass defense depends very heavily on defensive front pressure limiting the time opposing QB's have to make plays. Losing Jenkins was a big, big blow in my opinion; almost as big as losing Landry would be. I think their rushing defense will be average; a decent number of stuffs accompanied by too many long gains by opposing runners.
Their roster is stronger top-to-bottom this year, which is shown by guys like Hicks who were given starting jobs last year and had to earn time as backups this year. Injuries happen and that depth will limit the disastrous effect of in-game injuries. The extent to which younger players beat out veterans for backup spots is the extent to which we may see roster improvement during the year as well -- young guys learn and improve, while vets stay the same for the most part.
I'd talk more about their improvements at WR and RB but I just don't think they're significant enough to matter if the lines cannot at least hold even with every opponent this year.
If they go 8-8 this year I'd be quite surprised and very happy. It's quite possible they'll end up 6-10 again while being a better team than they were last year. I think they'll end up 6-10 or 7-9. If they do so while the lines hold their own and their young players improve throughout the season I'll be greatly happy. It would be such an improvement over the clown show we've been subjected to for years here.
Go Skins.
I think they go 7-9. I was more pessimistic earlier, but the qb and line play have looked ok during the fisrt 3 preseason games.
I love how much younger they have gotten and how they are looking to develop young players. The only question is if they have gotten the right young players. The draft of 2008 (Thomas, Kelley) is a resounding no, they did not. Hopefully, they got some keepers in the drafts and undrafted free agents from the past two years.
I love how much younger they have gotten and how they are looking to develop young players. The only question is if they have gotten the right young players. The draft of 2008 (Thomas, Kelley) is a resounding no, they did not. Hopefully, they got some keepers in the drafts and undrafted free agents from the past two years.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Keiland Williams has been officially released and rumour is that Sellers will be kept.
There has also been a report that Stallworth has made the 53.
ETA: Clemens is released. Only 2 QBs being kept.
There has also been a report that Stallworth has made the 53.
ETA: Clemens is released. Only 2 QBs being kept.
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Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Niles Paul tweet:
Rick Snider also tweeted the 'Skins will keep 7 WRs. Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Stallworth, Paul and Hankerson have to be locks now. Could Austin not make it over Banks? Maybe they keep Banks as a specialist?
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Darion Scott kept, Doug Worthington cut. Only 4 DEs on the roster (Bowen, Carriker, Gholston, Scott). I would be surprised if they didn't add another in the next few days.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Forgot Banks said he's already made it, too. No word yet on Austin. :(
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Chris Russell tweet:
Speaking of trades, the Broncos cut Jarmon today while Gaffney has significantly improved the WR corp here.
dgreen
Footballguy
For some reason, I haven't been as impressed with Austin as others have been. I think they could easily get him through to the PS like last year.
fatness
Footballguy
I think that's a mistake, as is keeping Sellers over Keiland Williams. But we'll see how it plays out.They're trying to trade Artis Hicks according the the Washington Post, by the way.They need to trade for d-line help. If Cofield goes down, or Bowen-or-Carriker goes down, they're sunk. The Eagles released a CB, I forget his name, who is supposedly a decent nickle back at a minimum. They should check him out.
fatness
Footballguy
The cuts don't have to be public until later this evening.Best place I know to look: http://www.nfl.com/teams/washingtonredskins/transactions?team=WAS
nittanylion
Footballguy
Eagles CB is Joselio Hanson. He would be a MASSIVE upgrade over every one of our backup CB's, and could do in a pinch if either of the starters went down during a game. I would LOVE IT if they signed him - it would complete the trifecta of stealing solid players from our divisional rivals to upgrade our defense (Cofield/NYG, Bowen/Dallas)...
I was right about Jackson, Sellers, Gomes, Neild, and Banks making the team and Williams, Horton and Brant not making the team.My only real miss was Anderson Russell. I am surprised they only kept 4 active safeties with Landry and Otogwe both having health issues.
fatness
Footballguy
Their weakest position last year was nose tackle, and this year they've kept only 1 backup there --- a 7th round rookie pick. I don't know why they choose a 3-4 defense that depends so heavily on nose tackle play and then don't fully staff that position.
Another weak position last year was WR, where they seem to take the opposite approach to personnel --- they keep too many WR's.
This better not be their final roster.
Another weak position last year was WR, where they seem to take the opposite approach to personnel --- they keep too many WR's.
This better not be their final roster.
Rick Maese
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fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
I AM SPARTACUS!!!!!
dgreen
Footballguy
Maybe they don't really have health issues.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Even the best NTs get beat by double teams. If anyone decides to double team him, that's a win right there, isn't?
dgreen
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
No, it's a win if he holds his ground against a double team, not if he gets pushed back.
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
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