***Official*** Washington Redskins 2013 Thread (1 Viewer)

[PinkydaPimp]

All the "bench Griffin or not" talk is obscuring talking about all the other Redskin players, their coaches, and their on-field problems this year.

Agreed. RG3 is FAR from the reason this team is 3-8. #1 would have to be our defense. I don't care who your QB is, when you're allowing over 30 points a game, you're not going to win many. #2 would have to be special teams. Have we returned any kickoff to the 30 this year? Any punts more than 20 yards? When your special teams can't flip the field for your offense, it just puts more pressure on the offense.

But I guess all of that is RG3's fault. And I haven't even gotten to the OL play of late. But RG3 is such a lightning rod that the media has an easy target.

add to that that the league has adjusted to our offensive scheme, the fact that we couldnt adjust with rg3 being out, the fact that our poor oline was masked by running so much option, lack of money from the cap penalty to improve talent...... :sigh:

 

[TxBuckeye]

Anyone even watching Sunday night? Personally, I'll only see it if absolutely nothing else is on. But I know I am pretty far away from a hard core fan at this point in my life.

 

[fatness]

Most likely I'll watch. You never know what will happen, even though sometimes you're pretty sure.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Even during our most pathetic lows, I always watch every single snap. For one, I can't help it (maybe it's because I'm still relatively young and stupid), but I also feel like I won't appropriately appreciate it when we are finally good (for real) unless I've experienced all the lows.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Just wondered since the thread was completely dead the past week or so. Like I said, I'm admittedly in to curmudgeon territory now. Beat down too. Last week was so brutally ugly, I just don't have any motivation or desire left in me. Not angry about it or anything. It's more like acceptance, another "here we go again" season. I can't even find it in me to get upset anymore. Total indifference at this point.

 

[fatness]

I feel like I'm in a checkout line at a mall, and the line is 5 weeks long. I can't get out of there for 5 more weeks.

The season's over basically. The games they still have to play don't mean a whole lot. They do to individual players and coaches of course, but to fans they don't really. We're just on hold to see who gets fired and who doesn't, and if it feels like there's any reasonable grounds for hope next year. This year's team nosedived into the rocks. They look dead on the football field.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Fans have to watch.

Puts the 'fan' in fanatic, you know.

The bad stuff makes the good so much better when it comes around.

So... any estimates on the NYG DST today?

 

[dgreen]

Watching these Chiefs WRs is a good preview of the skill we'll see tonight from the Redskins' WRs.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Decided to go see the new Vince Vaughn movie instead of the game. That's how badly they've fallen for me. Oof.

 

[fatness]

Watching these Chiefs WRs is a good preview of the skill we'll see tonight from the Redskins' WRs.

The Redskins could use that Hemingway guy.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

its like a bad train wreck. i just cant turn away.

 

[fatness]

Jordan Reed is out.

 

[fatness]

I noticed players in burgundy jerseys on the field tonight so they haven't gone home yet.

For the last 2 games Shanahan has looked like he wanted to be somewhere else.

 

[hammerva]

All year long I have been hearing from the media (well actually 106.7 only) and himself about how Fred Davis is getting screwed and basically blackballed by the Red Lobster while riding the bench. So he finally gets it chance to basically throw a middle finger to him and he drops a wide open pass that really cost them the game. Fred Davis is the perfect example of a "million dollar body and a ten cent brain".

 

[jbz]

Nothing cures an ailing pass rush like the Skins OL. The right side of the Skins OL is a joke. Justin Tuck was like the version of 5 years ago.

RG3 looked better tonight, but he still has an odd tendency to just get drilled hard in everything he does. QB sneak, blocking on a reverse, slipping out of bounds. Everything looked like he got hit. Hard.

Shanny's outcoached again too. No adjustments seemingly to the Giants on both sides of the ball. Again they get too pass happy and ignore Alf. They ran RG3 a lot today too and that's just not his game this year. Lots of drops and Garcon played like crap and topped it off with his fumble. I think it's time to end the Shanny experience

 

[PinkydaPimp]

i dont think its time to abandon the shanny experience just yet. Give him a full offseason with RG3 healthy, some cap room and some additional draft picks. Hopefully some o-line help, maybe another wr and help on the Defensive side of the ball. If they cant right the ship next year, then blow it up. I am however all for a new special teams and defense coordinator.

 

[Phenix]

i dont think its time to abandon the shanny experience just yet. Give him a full offseason with RG3 healthy, some cap room and some additional draft picks. Hopefully some o-line help, maybe another wr and help on the Defensive side of the ball. If they cant right the ship next year, then blow it up. I am however all for a new special teams and defense coordinator.

Will that change his loyalty to his pathetic OC who is his son? Does it change that players don't wanna play for him?

The only plays the OC should be calling is "Run Morris" but he keeps calling "Pass with guy who is unbelievable inaccurate and has a bum knee." 11 touches for a guy who was coming into this week as the top rusher in a game they were leading and had a chance to win shows exactly where this coaching staffs head is at.

Seems like a sure fire way to keep a job... If you are a coach in Washington.

 

[fatness]

Nothing cures an ailing pass rush like the Skins OL. The right side of the Skins OL is a joke. Justin Tuck was like the version of 5 years ago.

Chris Chester and Tyler Polumbus were terrible. I'm glad it was on nationwide TV for everyone to see. We've had to put up with this for years.

 

[fatness]

i dont think its time to abandon the shanny experience just yet. Give him a full offseason with RG3 healthy, some cap room and some additional draft picks. Hopefully some o-line help, maybe another wr and help on the Defensive side of the ball. If they cant right the ship next year, then blow it up. I am however all for a new special teams and defense coordinator.

Sorry, friend, I just disagree.

How many "lack of discipline" penalties did the Skins have last night? They get multiple unsportsmanlike conduct, game delay, and personal foul flags every game for things that are entirely avoidable. Good coaches don't have players who do that, and don't leave them on the field if they do. It's a ho-hum every week occurrence here. Shanahan has had 4 years to control simple things like that, like too much time to get plays off, like pitiful 2-minute offenses, like changing offensive and defensive playcalling when it's not working.

4 years and he couldn't do those simple things. We're 3-9. These are Jim Zorn type results.

He has to go.

Personally I don't think he wants to be back. The last 2 games he's looked lost on the sidelines, like he wanted to be elsewhere.

 

[fatness]

John Keim

2. And then there were the lack-of-composure fouls. Pierre Garcon kicked the ball in the end zone after a failed pass play -- from what I understand, the ball was thrown where it was supposed to be. Garcon wasn't there. He then kicked the ball after New York's Prince Amukamara dropped it in the end zone. "Because we didn't score a touchdown," Garcon said. "[if] we'd spotted 75 yards and didn't score a touchdown ... I'd have punted it harder."

3. Then there was Santana Moss, who did not like holding being called on him. "He called a holding and I just thought it was a B.S. call and I told him it was a B.S. call and he gave me unsportsmanlike conduct. I guess I got a unsportsmanlike conduct for saying, ‘B.S. call.' " Teams trying to snap losing streaks can't afford those sort of 15-yard losses. You dig out of such holes by playing with composure. Instead the Redskins built a 14-0 lead, saw the Giants rally to tie and then resorted to their habit of playing losing football.

4. There is genuine frustration on the faces of numerous players, notably Garcon and Moss and tight end Logan Paulsen. Garcon gave short answers to every question he was asked. Paulsen looked exhausted and drained. Moss was passionate. Others looked stone faced or numb (Ryan Kerrigan). I don't think every player takes losing this hard. That's not to say you should feel sorry for them. Just an observation. Losing has taken a toll. It's not easy to keep asking, "Why are you bad?" It's even harder to keep answering the questions. Four more weeks.

 

[fatness]

More from Keim

6. I thought this was interesting stuff from Paulsen. I'll just let him have the stage, but I'll also make it clear: He wasn't blaming anyone in particular, just pointing out where the offense is at right now. "Last year we were able to keep it pretty simple and a lot of basic stuff was very effective for us. This year teams have had a year to look at us and look at that seven-game run and say, ‘This is what they're doing and this is what we need to do to stop them.' So the counter punches to their counter punches are things we have not been able to execute as well."

7. There's more from Paulsen: "We sit in meetings and see it on tape and say these are the plays we need to get to and these are the plays we need to execute to counteract. We haven't been able to nail that home. It's hard to explain. We rep something all week and we expect a certain coverage and sometimes that look isn't there and we have to get to other things in the progression and other routes have to win that aren't the primary route." In other words, the Redskins have not successfully evolved as an offense for whatever reason.

 

[MattFancy]

Well we've officially crashed and burned. I don't see another win on the schedule the rest of the way. I think Shanny has to go. I've been on the fance about keeping him, but the players just don't seem to be responding and outside of the 7-game win streak last year, he's been awful.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

When your offense is only successful because it plays a no huddle 4 or 2 minute offense...then it has issues. That is a gimmick which currently (past several games) seems to be our only calling card. Sad state of affairs!!!

There basically isn't a position on the roster that doesn't need improvement, other than QB or RB. Problem is, team has no 1st rounder (looks to be high draft pick too) and cap recovery will only fill so many holes.

 

[Phenix]

When your offense is only successful because it plays a no huddle 4 or 2 minute offense...then it has issues. That is a gimmick which currently (past several games) seems to be our only calling card. Sad state of affairs!!!

There basically isn't a position on the roster that doesn't need improvement, other than QB or RB. Problem is, team has no 1st rounder (looks to be high draft pick too) and cap recovery will only fill so many holes.

Confused, your name is "RGIII HTTR" (No problem with that as I am one myself after watching him this year) but then you say you have no room for improvement at QB?

If they didnt pay a butt load for him he wouldnt even be playing, he is just not good right now.

At this point since they are officially eliminated, I would roll Cousins just to help his trade market and give RG3 no risk of injury so he can rebound next year.

But this team is coached by Shanny, expect the worst possible decision at all times from Skeletor.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

When your offense is only successful because it plays a no huddle 4 or 2 minute offense...then it has issues. That is a gimmick which currently (past several games) seems to be our only calling card. Sad state of affairs!!!

There basically isn't a position on the roster that doesn't need improvement, other than QB or RB. Problem is, team has no 1st rounder (looks to be high draft pick too) and cap recovery will only fill so many holes.

Confused, your name is "RGIII HTTR" (No problem with that as I am one myself after watching him this year) but then you say you have no room for improvement at QB?

If they didnt pay a butt load for him he wouldnt even be playing, he is just not good right now.

At this point since they are officially eliminated, I would roll Cousins just to help his trade market and give RG3 no risk of injury so he can rebound next year.

But this team is coached by Shanny, expect the worst possible decision at all times from Skeletor.

HTTR = Hail To The Redskins

 

[TobiasFunke]

When your offense is only successful because it plays a no huddle 4 or 2 minute offense...then it has issues. That is a gimmick which currently (past several games) seems to be our only calling card. Sad state of affairs!!!

There basically isn't a position on the roster that doesn't need improvement, other than QB or RB. Problem is, team has no 1st rounder (looks to be high draft pick too) and cap recovery will only fill so many holes.

Confused, your name is "RGIII HTTR" (No problem with that as I am one myself after watching him this year) but then you say you have no room for improvement at QB?

If they didnt pay a butt load for him he wouldnt even be playing, he is just not good right now.

At this point since they are officially eliminated, I would roll Cousins just to help his trade market and give RG3 no risk of injury so he can rebound next year.

But this team is coached by Shanny, expect the worst possible decision at all times from Skeletor.

He said positions on the roster that "need improvement," not "have room for improvement." Every spot on every roster has room for improvement. The Broncos QB spot has room for improvement. This team needs improvement at a bunch of spots if it wants to compete. QB and RB aren't among them (I'd add LT, WR1 and both OLBs to that list).

As far as the QB goes, I understand you're probably frustrated right now, but RGIII went 24/32 for 207 yards and a TD, zero turnovers. That's a completion percentage of 75% and a passer rating of 102. He also carried 12 times for 88 yards. If you consider that "just not good," perhaps your standards are too high?

 

[Phenix]

When your offense is only successful because it plays a no huddle 4 or 2 minute offense...then it has issues. That is a gimmick which currently (past several games) seems to be our only calling card. Sad state of affairs!!!

There basically isn't a position on the roster that doesn't need improvement, other than QB or RB. Problem is, team has no 1st rounder (looks to be high draft pick too) and cap recovery will only fill so many holes.

Confused, your name is "RGIII HTTR" (No problem with that as I am one myself after watching him this year) but then you say you have no room for improvement at QB?

If they didnt pay a butt load for him he wouldnt even be playing, he is just not good right now.

At this point since they are officially eliminated, I would roll Cousins just to help his trade market and give RG3 no risk of injury so he can rebound next year.

But this team is coached by Shanny, expect the worst possible decision at all times from Skeletor.

He said positions on the roster that "need improvement," not "have room for improvement." Every spot on every roster has room for improvement. The Broncos QB spot has room for improvement. This team needs improvement at a bunch of spots if it wants to compete. QB and RB aren't among them (I'd add LT, WR1 and both OLBs to that list).

As far as the QB goes, I understand you're probably frustrated right now, but RGIII went 24/32 for 207 yards and a TD, zero turnovers. That's a completion percentage of 75% and a passer rating of 102. He also carried 12 times for 88 yards. If you consider that "just not good," perhaps your standards are too high?

I agree everyone needs some improvement.

But since you brought it up, he clearly says doesn't. "There basically isn't a position on the roster that doesn't need improvement, other than QB or RB"

 

[TobiasFunke]

When your offense is only successful because it plays a no huddle 4 or 2 minute offense...then it has issues. That is a gimmick which currently (past several games) seems to be our only calling card. Sad state of affairs!!!

There basically isn't a position on the roster that doesn't need improvement, other than QB or RB. Problem is, team has no 1st rounder (looks to be high draft pick too) and cap recovery will only fill so many holes.

Confused, your name is "RGIII HTTR" (No problem with that as I am one myself after watching him this year) but then you say you have no room for improvement at QB?

If they didnt pay a butt load for him he wouldnt even be playing, he is just not good right now.

At this point since they are officially eliminated, I would roll Cousins just to help his trade market and give RG3 no risk of injury so he can rebound next year.

But this team is coached by Shanny, expect the worst possible decision at all times from Skeletor.

He said positions on the roster that "need improvement," not "have room for improvement." Every spot on every roster has room for improvement. The Broncos QB spot has room for improvement. This team needs improvement at a bunch of spots if it wants to compete. QB and RB aren't among them (I'd add LT, WR1 and both OLBs to that list).

As far as the QB goes, I understand you're probably frustrated right now, but RGIII went 24/32 for 207 yards and a TD, zero turnovers. That's a completion percentage of 75% and a passer rating of 102. He also carried 12 times for 88 yards. If you consider that "just not good," perhaps your standards are too high?

No he clearly says "There basically isn't a position on the roster that doesn't need improvement, other than QB or RB"

Right. And that's what I said too. "Doesn't need improvement" is very different from "doesn't have room for improvement."

 

[Phenix]

When your offense is only successful because it plays a no huddle 4 or 2 minute offense...then it has issues. That is a gimmick which currently (past several games) seems to be our only calling card. Sad state of affairs!!!

There basically isn't a position on the roster that doesn't need improvement, other than QB or RB. Problem is, team has no 1st rounder (looks to be high draft pick too) and cap recovery will only fill so many holes.

Confused, your name is "RGIII HTTR" (No problem with that as I am one myself after watching him this year) but then you say you have no room for improvement at QB?

If they didnt pay a butt load for him he wouldnt even be playing, he is just not good right now.

At this point since they are officially eliminated, I would roll Cousins just to help his trade market and give RG3 no risk of injury so he can rebound next year.

But this team is coached by Shanny, expect the worst possible decision at all times from Skeletor.

He said positions on the roster that "need improvement," not "have room for improvement." Every spot on every roster has room for improvement. The Broncos QB spot has room for improvement. This team needs improvement at a bunch of spots if it wants to compete. QB and RB aren't among them (I'd add LT, WR1 and both OLBs to that list).

As far as the QB goes, I understand you're probably frustrated right now, but RGIII went 24/32 for 207 yards and a TD, zero turnovers. That's a completion percentage of 75% and a passer rating of 102. He also carried 12 times for 88 yards. If you consider that "just not good," perhaps your standards are too high?

No he clearly says "There basically isn't a position on the roster that doesn't need improvement, other than QB or RB"

Right. And that's what I said too. "Doesn't need improvement" is very different from "doesn't have room for improvement."

Ummm, Its the same thing. lol

 

[TobiasFunke]

When your offense is only successful because it plays a no huddle 4 or 2 minute offense...then it has issues. That is a gimmick which currently (past several games) seems to be our only calling card. Sad state of affairs!!!

There basically isn't a position on the roster that doesn't need improvement, other than QB or RB. Problem is, team has no 1st rounder (looks to be high draft pick too) and cap recovery will only fill so many holes.

Confused, your name is "RGIII HTTR" (No problem with that as I am one myself after watching him this year) but then you say you have no room for improvement at QB?

If they didnt pay a butt load for him he wouldnt even be playing, he is just not good right now.

At this point since they are officially eliminated, I would roll Cousins just to help his trade market and give RG3 no risk of injury so he can rebound next year.

But this team is coached by Shanny, expect the worst possible decision at all times from Skeletor.

He said positions on the roster that "need improvement," not "have room for improvement." Every spot on every roster has room for improvement. The Broncos QB spot has room for improvement. This team needs improvement at a bunch of spots if it wants to compete. QB and RB aren't among them (I'd add LT, WR1 and both OLBs to that list).

As far as the QB goes, I understand you're probably frustrated right now, but RGIII went 24/32 for 207 yards and a TD, zero turnovers. That's a completion percentage of 75% and a passer rating of 102. He also carried 12 times for 88 yards. If you consider that "just not good," perhaps your standards are too high?

No he clearly says "There basically isn't a position on the roster that doesn't need improvement, other than QB or RB"

Right. And that's what I said too. "Doesn't need improvement" is very different from "doesn't have room for improvement."

Ummm, Its the same thing. lol

It really isn't. Like I said, the Broncos QB spot has room for improvement, but it doesn't need it. And I'd say the same thing for the Skins at QB, which is the point. RGIII isn't the greatest QB to ever play in the league, but he's easily good enough to start at the position for a winner.

But let's ignore the semantics- why do you think 24/32 for 207 yards, 1 TD, no turnovers, and 12 carries for 88 yards is a problem or, to use your words, just "not very good"?

 

[fatness]

At this point since they are officially eliminated, I would roll Cousins just to help his trade market and give RG3 no risk of injury so he can rebound next year.

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Cousins has more value to the Redskins than they'd get in a trade, and he's as likely or more likely to lower his trade value by playing than he is to raise it. They drafted him to keep him.

 

[fatness]

Doughty -- concussion (second one this year)

Hall -- hip injury

Fletcher -- sprained ankle

 

[fatness]

Jason Reid

Team leaders Santana Moss and DeAngelo Hall were called for unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. Top wide receiver Pierre Garcon kicked a ball in frustration and was assessed a penalty.


Washington’s botched snap on a late-game punt — and the snapper’s ensuing penalty on the play — were among many second-half lowlights for the reeling Redskins. They dropped to 3-9 and were mathematically eliminated from postseason contention.

 

[fatness]

Dan Steinberg.

Al Michaels and Cris Collinsworth kept trying to convince each other that the close score meant this was actually a good and compelling football product. It was not. This was mom and dad, taking the family to Arby’s when the oven explodes on Thanksgiving, and trying to convince each other that this was actually better than being at home. Look how nice those posters are on the wall! See how juicy this beef stuff is!

 

[fatness]

This is a great column by the way: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/12/01/redskins-giants-best-and-worst-3/

Best Jokes About Kick Returns: Ok, Adam Gettis’s second-quarter kickoff return wasn’t really that great. The 290-pounder fielded the ball at the 22, and returned it five yards to the 27. But that was still better than Washington’s typical field position.

Worst Pre-Game Excitement: Comcast SportsNet’s Rob Carlin, on the field during the network’s pre-game show, was asked to describe the atmosphere at FedEx Field. “There is none,” he said.

Pass coverage on Giants 2nd TD.

Worst Composure: Always and forever, friends, always and forever. In one stretch of the third quarter, the Redskins committed five infractions in 11 snaps. (Not plays, because plays don’t count if there are penalties, except in our hearts and souls, and in this item.) The pinnacle, of course, was the above-mentioned Garcon kick, which would have been great in some strange Australian sport, but is not legal in American football. Later, DeAngelo Hall added a personal foul for good measure.

 

[Da Guru]

Watching Griffin closely last night it seems like he can be a serviceable QB in the NFL. Not a top 10-12 guy, but a middle of the road starter. Griffin is going to need a lot of help though to even get to that point. With the Redskins trading away the high picks to get Griffin it is going to be a difficult road. Still concerned about the punishment he takes on that frail frame.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

When your offense is only successful because it plays a no huddle 4 or 2 minute offense...then it has issues. That is a gimmick which currently (past several games) seems to be our only calling card. Sad state of affairs!!!

There basically isn't a position on the roster that doesn't need improvement, other than QB or RB. Problem is, team has no 1st rounder (looks to be high draft pick too) and cap recovery will only fill so many holes.

Confused, your name is "RGIII HTTR" (No problem with that as I am one myself after watching him this year) but then you say you have no room for improvement at QB?

If they didnt pay a butt load for him he wouldnt even be playing, he is just not good right now.

At this point since they are officially eliminated, I would roll Cousins just to help his trade market and give RG3 no risk of injury so he can rebound next year.

But this team is coached by Shanny, expect the worst possible decision at all times from Skeletor.

He said positions on the roster that "need improvement," not "have room for improvement." Every spot on every roster has room for improvement. The Broncos QB spot has room for improvement. This team needs improvement at a bunch of spots if it wants to compete. QB and RB aren't among them (I'd add LT, WR1 and both OLBs to that list).

As far as the QB goes, I understand you're probably frustrated right now, but RGIII went 24/32 for 207 yards and a TD, zero turnovers. That's a completion percentage of 75% and a passer rating of 102. He also carried 12 times for 88 yards. If you consider that "just not good," perhaps your standards are too high?

Agree LT is not a need and left it out in haste. OLB surely seems to be fine, would love to keep him although I would not overpay for Orakpo at this point. I didn't include OLB because our ILB spot needs an upgrade and lump'd all LB'ers together. I disagree with WR1, Garcon is a real good WR, but I'd much rather him be a WR2 or WR1b.

As far as the back-n-forth with the other guy, you have it right Tobias...I was talking about improving the talent of the roster spot and not improving the play of the person filling it.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Watching Griffin closely last night it seems like he can be a serviceable QB in the NFL. Not a top 10-12 guy, but a middle of the road starter. Griffin is going to need a lot of help though to even get to that point. With the Redskins trading away the high picks to get Griffin it is going to be a difficult road. Still concerned about the punishment he takes on that frail frame.

This is a legitimate concern, he was getting thrown around last night like a rag doll. Even though he is getting up, all those hits will take their toll over time...they have to.

I'm not sure I'd relegate him to mid-tier just yet, Luck seems to be hitting a patch too. Been said many times, but RGIII having to spend all off season getting healthy hurt is immediate growth as the offseason is one of the crucual growing points for young QB's. That said, I agree that he needs much more help around him though as middle of the road guys or very isolated/limited talented players will not suffice.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

To put things into perspective, J. Tuck had 2 sacks all season long...played the Redskins and came away with 4 sacks. He eclipsed his season's sack production two fold all in one game. SMH

 

[fatness]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/01/shanahan-may-not-be-too-upset-if-hes-fired/

If Washington owner Daniel Snyder fires Shanahan in early 2014 (or late 2013), it will be anticipated, expected, and possibly a relief for Shanahan. As the situation gets more and more dysfunctional in D.C., there’s an emerging theory in some league circles that Shanahan may not be all that upset about getting $7 million to not coach the team in 2014.
With quarterback Robert Griffin III not going anywhere, given the draft-pick investment made to get him and his relationship with Snyder, Shanahan may welcome the opportunity to escape the burgeoning burgundy circus, take a year off with pay, and explore possible options for 2015.

If/when Shanahan goes, the question becomes whether G.M. Bruce Allen stays. Regarded as the table-setter for Shanahan, it’s possible that Allen stays to set the table for the next coach — especially if the next coach is, say, former Bucs coach Jon Gruden, who worked with Allen in Tampa.

Allen could actually emerge with even more power if Snyder decides to make a run at Baylor coach Art Briles, who coached Griffin in college. Briles could be the best person to get the most out of Griffin, both as a player and a leader.

Or Allen could be cleared out along with Shanahan, with both a new coach and a new G.M. joining the franchise.

 

[dhockster]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/01/shanahan-may-not-be-too-upset-if-hes-fired/

If Washington owner Daniel Snyder fires Shanahan in early 2014 (or late 2013), it will be anticipated, expected, and possibly a relief for Shanahan. As the situation gets more and more dysfunctional in D.C., there’s an emerging theory in some league circles that Shanahan may not be all that upset about getting $7 million to not coach the team in 2014.
With quarterback Robert Griffin III not going anywhere, given the draft-pick investment made to get him and his relationship with Snyder, Shanahan may welcome the opportunity to escape the burgeoning burgundy circus, take a year off with pay, and explore possible options for 2015.

If/when Shanahan goes, the question becomes whether G.M. Bruce Allen stays. Regarded as the table-setter for Shanahan, it’s possible that Allen stays to set the table for the next coach — especially if the next coach is, say, former Bucs coach Jon Gruden, who worked with Allen in Tampa.

Allen could actually emerge with even more power if Snyder decides to make a run at Baylor coach Art Briles, who coached Griffin in college. Briles could be the best person to get the most out of Griffin, both as a player and a leader.

Or Allen could be cleared out along with Shanahan, with both a new coach and a new G.M. joining the franchise.

Remember that when Shanahan was fired by the Broncos, he made a good chunk of change sitting out 2009 because he still had years left on his contract. I could definitely see the same thing happening with him if he is fired by Washington.

 

[TobiasFunke]

When your offense is only successful because it plays a no huddle 4 or 2 minute offense...then it has issues. That is a gimmick which currently (past several games) seems to be our only calling card. Sad state of affairs!!!

There basically isn't a position on the roster that doesn't need improvement, other than QB or RB. Problem is, team has no 1st rounder (looks to be high draft pick too) and cap recovery will only fill so many holes.

Confused, your name is "RGIII HTTR" (No problem with that as I am one myself after watching him this year) but then you say you have no room for improvement at QB?

If they didnt pay a butt load for him he wouldnt even be playing, he is just not good right now.

At this point since they are officially eliminated, I would roll Cousins just to help his trade market and give RG3 no risk of injury so he can rebound next year.

But this team is coached by Shanny, expect the worst possible decision at all times from Skeletor.

He said positions on the roster that "need improvement," not "have room for improvement." Every spot on every roster has room for improvement. The Broncos QB spot has room for improvement. This team needs improvement at a bunch of spots if it wants to compete. QB and RB aren't among them (I'd add LT, WR1 and both OLBs to that list).

As far as the QB goes, I understand you're probably frustrated right now, but RGIII went 24/32 for 207 yards and a TD, zero turnovers. That's a completion percentage of 75% and a passer rating of 102. He also carried 12 times for 88 yards. If you consider that "just not good," perhaps your standards are too high?

Agree LT is not a need and left it out in haste. OLB surely seems to be fine, would love to keep him although I would not overpay for Orakpo at this point. I didn't include OLB because our ILB spot needs an upgrade and lump'd all LB'ers together. I disagree with WR1, Garcon is a real good WR, but I'd much rather him be a WR2 or WR1b.

As far as the back-n-forth with the other guy, you have it right Tobias...I was talking about improving the talent of the roster spot and not improving the play of the person filling it.

Since we're in agreement about 99% of this stuff I hate to highlight a disagreement, but I don't think Garcon is getting his due. If healthy, he's a star. Second in the league in catches, 10th in yards. And I believe that's without breaking a long one all year, something he's clearly capable of, as he showed in his first game as a Redskin. Rare good free agent signing for this team, last night aside.

 

[fatness]

Similar speculation is now over at NFP:

the future of head coach Mike Shanahan in Washington might be a difficult call for Redskins owner Daniel Snyder after the season. In his first 15 full seasons as a head coach (not counting the ’89 campaign, when he was canned by Al Davis of the Raiders after only four games), Shanahan experienced just one year of ten or more losses. But he’s facing a third double-digit defeat season in four seasons with the Redskins, and Snyder has never been known as a patient man. It’s got to be particularly distasteful for Snyder to see the franchise backslide after the 2013 division title, and the immediate emergence of Griffin. Then again, it might be equaling galling to know that, if he dismisses Shanahan, he’ll still owe him $7 million and will have to pay off a staff, as well, that is believed to be one of the NFL’s highest paid. Notable is that Snyder, during his stewardship of the franchise, has never hired and retained a coach for more than four seasons. Marty Schottenheimer lasted but one year, Steve Spurrier two, Joe Gibbs four and Jim Zorn two. The grand plan might have been for Shanahan to eventually be succeeded by son Kyle, but the Washington offensive coordinator has come under almost as much criticism as his father, and the plan might not look quite so grand these days.

 

[dhockster]

Similar speculation is now over at NFP:

the future of head coach Mike Shanahan in Washington might be a difficult call for Redskins owner Daniel Snyder after the season. In his first 15 full seasons as a head coach (not counting the ’89 campaign, when he was canned by Al Davis of the Raiders after only four games), Shanahan experienced just one year of ten or more losses. But he’s facing a third double-digit defeat season in four seasons with the Redskins, and Snyder has never been known as a patient man. It’s got to be particularly distasteful for Snyder to see the franchise backslide after the 2013 division title, and the immediate emergence of Griffin. Then again, it might be equaling galling to know that, if he dismisses Shanahan, he’ll still owe him $7 million and will have to pay off a staff, as well, that is believed to be one of the NFL’s highest paid. Notable is that Snyder, during his stewardship of the franchise, has never hired and retained a coach for more than four seasons. Marty Schottenheimer lasted but one year, Steve Spurrier two, Joe Gibbs four and Jim Zorn two. The grand plan might have been for Shanahan to eventually be succeeded by son Kyle, but the Washington offensive coordinator has come under almost as much criticism as his father, and the plan might not look quite so grand these days.

Another way to look at this: Since Shanahan last coached with Gary Kubiak in 2005, he will have coached only 2 winning teams out of 7, only one team won double digits (and needed to win it's last 7 games to do that), and only one made the playoffs (and was one and done). Not exactly a great resume for a $7 million a year coach.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

When your offense is only successful because it plays a no huddle 4 or 2 minute offense...then it has issues. That is a gimmick which currently (past several games) seems to be our only calling card. Sad state of affairs!!!

There basically isn't a position on the roster that doesn't need improvement, other than QB or RB. Problem is, team has no 1st rounder (looks to be high draft pick too) and cap recovery will only fill so many holes.

Confused, your name is "RGIII HTTR" (No problem with that as I am one myself after watching him this year) but then you say you have no room for improvement at QB?

If they didnt pay a butt load for him he wouldnt even be playing, he is just not good right now.

At this point since they are officially eliminated, I would roll Cousins just to help his trade market and give RG3 no risk of injury so he can rebound next year.

But this team is coached by Shanny, expect the worst possible decision at all times from Skeletor.

He said positions on the roster that "need improvement," not "have room for improvement." Every spot on every roster has room for improvement. The Broncos QB spot has room for improvement. This team needs improvement at a bunch of spots if it wants to compete. QB and RB aren't among them (I'd add LT, WR1 and both OLBs to that list).

As far as the QB goes, I understand you're probably frustrated right now, but RGIII went 24/32 for 207 yards and a TD, zero turnovers. That's a completion percentage of 75% and a passer rating of 102. He also carried 12 times for 88 yards. If you consider that "just not good," perhaps your standards are too high?

Agree LT is not a need and left it out in haste. OLB surely seems to be fine, would love to keep him although I would not overpay for Orakpo at this point. I didn't include OLB because our ILB spot needs an upgrade and lump'd all LB'ers together. I disagree with WR1, Garcon is a real good WR, but I'd much rather him be a WR2 or WR1b.

As far as the back-n-forth with the other guy, you have it right Tobias...I was talking about improving the talent of the roster spot and not improving the play of the person filling it.

Since we're in agreement about 99% of this stuff I hate to highlight a disagreement, but I don't think Garcon is getting his due. If healthy, he's a star. Second in the league in catches, 10th in yards. And I believe that's without breaking a long one all year, something he's clearly capable of, as he showed in his first game as a Redskin. Rare good free agent signing for this team, last night aside.

Don't get me wrong, I like him a lot and he has more talent than all the other WR's on the team combined. In my opinion, his production or targets are a product of being the only real WR on the team. As soon as Reed started to catch fire, Gracon has yet to really take advantage. That is why I am not sold that he is a legit WR1, which I leave some room for the possibility by saying he is a WR1b. Regardless, nice problem to have and I'd love for them to get another "real" WR.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/01/shanahan-may-not-be-too-upset-if-hes-fired/

If Washington owner Daniel Snyder fires Shanahan in early 2014 (or late 2013), it will be anticipated, expected, and possibly a relief for Shanahan. As the situation gets more and more dysfunctional in D.C., there’s an emerging theory in some league circles that Shanahan may not be all that upset about getting $7 million to not coach the team in 2014.
With quarterback Robert Griffin III not going anywhere, given the draft-pick investment made to get him and his relationship with Snyder, Shanahan may welcome the opportunity to escape the burgeoning burgundy circus, take a year off with pay, and explore possible options for 2015.

If/when Shanahan goes, the question becomes whether G.M. Bruce Allen stays. Regarded as the table-setter for Shanahan, it’s possible that Allen stays to set the table for the next coach — especially if the next coach is, say, former Bucs coach Jon Gruden, who worked with Allen in Tampa.

Allen could actually emerge with even more power if Snyder decides to make a run at Baylor coach Art Briles, who coached Griffin in college. Briles could be the best person to get the most out of Griffin, both as a player and a leader.

Or Allen could be cleared out along with Shanahan, with both a new coach and a new G.M. joining the franchise.

Remember that when Shanahan was fired by the Broncos, he made a good chunk of change sitting out 2009 because he still had years left on his contract. I could definitely see the same thing happening with him if he is fired by Washington.

I think that is possible, but I also think that will be his riding off in the sunset (coaching career) at that point too. If he stays away again, he won't catch on to another HC job in the NFL IMO.

 

[fatness]

Shanahan's salary isn't a problem in Washington; the team can easily afford it. They just can't afford his performance.

This team isn't any more disciplined on the field now than when he took over. They get outcoached regularly on offense and defense. And despite what we've heard about restocking the roster and much-improved depth, I'm not seeing it. Their starters as a group are substandard, and even when the starters hurt the team with their play or penalties the coach is reluctant to replace them since the backups aren't good.

 

[pablito]

One of the sad aspects of rooting for a Redskins team that is playing out the string is this: the Sunday Night Football spotlight is on us, with a national TV audience watching the broadcast from FedEx... and yet if you closed your eyes and judged by the crowd reaction noises what was happening on the field, you would have had to believe that it was a Giants home game. To the list of outplayed and outcoached, add outcheered. I know that it has not been uncommon of late, but it is embarrassing nonetheless.

 

[TobiasFunke]

One of the sad aspects of rooting for a Redskins team that is playing out the string is this: the Sunday Night Football spotlight is on us, with a national TV audience watching the broadcast from FedEx... and yet if you closed your eyes and judged by the crowd reaction noises what was happening on the field, you would have had to believe that it was a Giants home game. To the list of outplayed and outcoached, add outcheered. I know that it has not been uncommon of late, but it is embarrassing nonetheless.

This is always gonna be a problem at FedEx. It's a huge PITA to go to a game there, so there's always gonna be a disproportionate number of fans of the opposing team. They're more motivated to make the extra effort to see their team when they only get a rare opportunity to do so. If the stadium was metro-accessible or otherwise easy to navigate it would be a much smaller problem. Of course winning and keeping fans engaged would also help.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

A point about Shanny that is not being discussed here that much, is his choice of lineup/roster positions. Fred Davis was out #1 TE, granted Reed began to show flashes and was understandable why he got more and more playing time. Shanny appears to harbor ill will towards players and seems to grind an axe, even when it's not in the team's best interest. Case in point, Paulson was the starter last night. Fred Davis being #3, okay can take it when Reed is out pass catching type of TE, so #2 is more of blocker...well, Reed is out, so what happens for the need of a pass catching TE??? If a person is sooooo entrenched into the doghouse, why not just cut them??? Just can't recall a person ever getting out of Shanny's doghouse once they got in it. Just seems like a very narrow minded approach and not getting the best of your roster, which is what a HC is supposed to do.