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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2013 Thread (1 Viewer)
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ConnSKINS26
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"Nagger"? Get out of here.
Warrior
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RGIII HTTR
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I think the real question will be "Can the Redskins defense stop T. Pryor and D. McFadden?" If 'Skins lose this one, then I just don't see how Haslett escapes the bye week without getting let go.tsarc888 said:
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KellysHeroes
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when does the fan base turn on the Shanny's?
(HULK)
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The pass to Alderick in the endzone. As soon as I saw the first replay on the jumbo tron I got up to go pee. It was obviously not a catch.
PinkydaPimp
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dgreen
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(HULK) said:
Yep. I, along with everyone else in my section, were jumping up and down and high-fiving. They show the replay and all I could say to the guy next to me, "You have to be kidding me." He kind of nodded in agreement that it wasn't going to stand. I sat down and listened to the surrounding morons who thought it was still a touchdown. I wanted to punch all of them.
HittinHard
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Not worried about the O,they are putting together semi reasonable scores.The D neeeds major work and Haslett should be replaced .
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Not sure if the entire fan base has turned, but as a Redskins fan...we've sat through basically a a decade or more of bad management and play. So, naturally we have become very finicky and are quick to always try to find a fix or something better as this has been the condition for so long. I think this year, the team and the fan base had very high expectations due to the success we had last year. Considering how inept we have looked so far, a feeling of despair is creeping in. Another natural over reaction.
I will say that we've seen plenty of under performing defense and if we lose the next game bcuz of poor defense, I can see Haslett being let go. Not saying it will happen, just seems fitting if Redskins are 0-4 with an NFL record setting defense (bad way).
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My wife kept saying, no he had it...while I knew if they said he had it, Snyder had ran over to replay official booth and paid a handsome payment. My wife got brownie points for support though!(HULK) said:
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Offense coming around, but not there. Last year, I had confidence they could score from anywhere on the field...do not have the same feeling right now. Regardless, they are showing improvement. Of course, nothing can be said about the defense other than horrible. Ok, for the first time this season London Fletcher played semi decent and LOL, now they are spelling him to keep him healthy. It's more like they are spelling him bcuz he's been so ineffective.
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I haven't turned on Mike Shannahan. Kyle... well, I never was a big fan of the 3rd down bubble screen and I'm still not. He calls that all the time.
Remember we're playing through a cap penalty that is pretty severe. I'm not blaming the coaches for the holes we have on our team. If anything, they've done a better job with player selection the past 2 years than anyone has done in a long time.
Remember we're playing through a cap penalty that is pretty severe. I'm not blaming the coaches for the holes we have on our team. If anything, they've done a better job with player selection the past 2 years than anyone has done in a long time.
Midseason moves like that are very rare. And usually done by teams that are in total disarray. I highly doubt Haslett will be canned until after the season. The most I would see is a quiet realignment of duties.
PinkydaPimp
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werent we all requesting he be fired last year as well? LOL. While things are a mess, i dont think i want him fired. Who would replace him? how long would it take to get them adjusted? Lets see what he can do to get things going in the right direction.
I am still fully on board with Shanahan. The personel decisions, both FA and draft picks, are infinately better than before. The team is young and has potential rather than old and overpaid. They are hamstrung with the cap penalties, which in reality, may not have left the Redskins any worse off than if they did nothing and dealt with the consequences of Haynesworth's contract.(HULK) said:
Remember the last search for a head coach when they first hired Zorn as the OC and could not find anyone that wanted to be the HC? They finally gave it to Zorn. Total embarassment for the organization. If Shanahan is let go, it must be done by Bruce Allen and he would be the one to hire the next HC. Otherwise, we could have another circus.
I don't see Allen firing Shanahan under any circumstances. In some ways, it is not clear who works for who.
Raheem Morris has experience and resume. Of course, you could claim the defensive backfield is a big source of the problem.
Like last year, Haslett with be given the rest of the season to work things out. I hope he has similar success or this will be one of the worst defenses ever.
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I think if they really thought he was the answer, they would have switched to him last season when much of the trouble began.
As for some of the other peeps responses, when you are the last ranked defense and setting records in the worst way, I just don't see how a change can hurt or how anything else can become more unbalanced. Under somewhat normal circumstances, I agree don't rock the boat too much...until offseason, but being last and the condition of yards given up, I don't see how the boat can be rocked anymore than it's already rocking. Also, a permanent solution does not need to be made immediately...there is the infamous "interim" coach.
As for the Shanny's, I don't want or see that happening...they are here to stay.
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Regardless of details, how can RGIII have any beef behind the scenese with how he's being treated/coached when admitted that he doesn't know how to do a "baseball" slide? This is the one true action he can take that saves him from a serious hit and is a fundamental part of the QB position now. Hmm....
PinkydaPimp
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If we lose to Oakland without Pryer and Mcfadden...... 
JustinHawkins
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Only team to win in the NFC least today. And only 1 game back with a 1-3 record. Just brutal.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Its one of those wins where while we won....... We still lost. <_<
dgreen
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Dallas plays Denver next week, so they're likely headed for 2-3. Then Washington goes to Dallas after the bye for a chance at the division lead (depending on what Philly does, too).
The whole NFC East is looking really weak right now. Dallas is the only team that looks anywhere near average. The Giants are a mess. The Redskins are a mess, despite their win today. And the Eagles, while putting up some good fantasy football points, can't win any games.dgreen said:
fatness
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The Redskins defense didn't stop them but injuries did. That was a really bad football game by the way. Oakland was missing their starting right tackle, starting right guard, starting QB, starting RB, and starting FB, and the Redskins were barely good enough to overcome all that. If they had lost they would have gone into the 2-week bye period in a disater spiral. And the Skins usually come out of bye weeks flat, so it looked to continue after that. Jeez I'm glad they won.
One thing I've noticed about the Skins is that so often they seem unprepared, unready to start, like the game is passing them by for some time before they adjust and get up to game speed. Their opponents open up early leads, even badly-injured bad opponents like Oakland. They come out of bye weeks flat. They get a punt blocked early, though Oakland rushed exactly as they thought they would. Just unprepared early, and not up to game speed.
I hope Morris's injury is not bad. I'm glad Helu seems to have shed the chronic muscle-tightness issues that kept him out so often in the past. The o-line is just no good at pass-blocking. They seem to shoot themselves in the foot so often -- for example Paulsen's catch yesterday. He sheds 5 defenders (hero) and then gives up the ball (goat). The defense is bad yet they have 3 defense or special team TD's. I still don't know why Danny Smith has a job, their special teams suck for the most part, worse than last year when they sucked. I'm glad they're in such a crappy division this year. I fear the Giants getting their first win of the season against the Skins.
MattFancy
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Danny Smith is with the Steelers now lol.
I agree with most of what you said. We didn't look very good, especially offensively. The defense has been slowly improving the last 2 weeks. But something is still off with the offense. Not sure what it is. Sure some of it can go back on RG3, but the OL looks bad and we can't run the football like we used to. I'm usually not a fan of the early bye wee, but this year it will definitely help.
Well, "a win is a win" I guess.
This team is still a work in progress, but I think they seem to be slowly coming around.
1. Offense -- it's actually too bad that Morris got dinged up because I think he was really finding his groove in that game. 71 yards in less than 3 quarters and he was starting to break off a few longer ones. I think with the Oak defense still getting pounded on, Morris could have finished with over 100 yards in that game if he was still healthy. I don't agree I guess that we can't run the ball. From what I see, it's mostly a matter of staying in the game so we can feed Morris. His yards per carry is not bad -- not even earlier in the season -- you have to commit to it. I think that's the blue print we have to go into vs. Dallas. It worries me that Romo could carve up our secondary -- we really need to go ground game/ball control to limit his drives.
RGIII didn't post 300+ yards but this was not a game we were scrambling to keep up in the fourth quarter, so that is a good thing. I actually think he's rounding into form from a passing perspective...he is pretty accurate on his throws. And in the few times I saw him run, he seems mobile enough. What he is NOT at this point is the super agile weapon he was last year. I just think we can't count on that. He's getting chased from behind by big, fat DL...that's the alarming thing.
All this is to say, it's going to be a tougher road offensively this year vs. last year. I do not think we'll be able to score 30+ points per game with dynamic read option. I think we need to really feed Morris the ball a lot, and perhaps get Helu 5-10 carries as well, since he can rest Morris and he played well in relief. If we can run, Griffin is a good enough passer to go play action. But, I'm not expecting the dynamic read option stuff this year...MAYBE next year if Griff returns to form, but let's stay in the present.
2. Defense -- everyone is talking about how dominant our defense is and they did play well, but gosh did Matt Flynn make them look good. I never thought I'd see someone hold the ball as long as Patrick Ramsey but now I have seen it with my own eyes. It is clear why he failed to beat out Wilson or even Pryor. That said, as a defense you have to beat up on a weak opponent as well as hanging with a stong opponent, so take the win for what it is.
The only other positive I can really throw in there is that Jenkins and Jackson coming back is significant. These are not "bit players" but starting-caliber players coming back as back ups and rotational duty. Two new players who will get signicant time is nothing to sneeze at. I think this is definitely a positive sign.
3. Special Teams -- well, at least Potter made his kicks, so give him some credit...he's a credible backup, even though we need Forbath back. The blocked punt was embarrasing. Returns? Boy, losing Crawford sure looks bigger now than it did at the beginning of the season. I almost wish they'd put Santana Moss back there. I do not like what Chris Thompson has done for the most part. Santana is willing to do it, so maybe you roll the dice vs. Dallas and put him back there.
4. Random Questions -- I posted this in the main forum but wanted to ask you guys as well about a play during the game, since maybe you saw it.
In the play, Griffin completes a pass to his TE Logan Paulsen. Paulsen is running down the field and four guys are trying to strip the ball from him. They are grabbing at everything, including his facemask, which someone grabs and lets go of real quick. Apparently, the refs don't see it (or I see it wrong), so no flag is thrown. Eventually, someone does actually strip the ball, Paulsen drops it, and the Raiders recover. Raiders first down.
My question is: what would be the outcome if the refs had seen the facemask and called it. Would it be Raiders ball, but moved back 15? Redskins ball and moved forward 15 from spot?
Reason I ask is that facemask in this context usually is not a "play over" penalty, like holding or offsides where the play is actually nullified and you replay the down. Facemask without fumble they would have let the play stand and tack on 15 more.
So, in the case of a facemask, coupled with a fumble and change of possession, how do you rule that?
Obviously the point is moot for the Wash-Oak game cuz the refs never called a penalty, but I'm just asking theoretically what would they do?
5. Commentary -- can someone please teach **** Stockton how to pronounce Brian Orakpo and Roy Helu?
6. Summary -- a win is a win, I'll take it. No,the team doesn't look great but the NFC East is horrid. Shoot for a miracle 9-7 and maybe get in and go on a run. Last year they got better as the year went on...so maybe pray to do it again. You have to win your division games. There are 5 more of those. Try to get 4 of the 5 of those games vs. weak div opponents and then 4-4 the rest of the games, I guess. Tall order but not impossible.
This team is still a work in progress, but I think they seem to be slowly coming around.
1. Offense -- it's actually too bad that Morris got dinged up because I think he was really finding his groove in that game. 71 yards in less than 3 quarters and he was starting to break off a few longer ones. I think with the Oak defense still getting pounded on, Morris could have finished with over 100 yards in that game if he was still healthy. I don't agree I guess that we can't run the ball. From what I see, it's mostly a matter of staying in the game so we can feed Morris. His yards per carry is not bad -- not even earlier in the season -- you have to commit to it. I think that's the blue print we have to go into vs. Dallas. It worries me that Romo could carve up our secondary -- we really need to go ground game/ball control to limit his drives.
RGIII didn't post 300+ yards but this was not a game we were scrambling to keep up in the fourth quarter, so that is a good thing. I actually think he's rounding into form from a passing perspective...he is pretty accurate on his throws. And in the few times I saw him run, he seems mobile enough. What he is NOT at this point is the super agile weapon he was last year. I just think we can't count on that. He's getting chased from behind by big, fat DL...that's the alarming thing.
All this is to say, it's going to be a tougher road offensively this year vs. last year. I do not think we'll be able to score 30+ points per game with dynamic read option. I think we need to really feed Morris the ball a lot, and perhaps get Helu 5-10 carries as well, since he can rest Morris and he played well in relief. If we can run, Griffin is a good enough passer to go play action. But, I'm not expecting the dynamic read option stuff this year...MAYBE next year if Griff returns to form, but let's stay in the present.
2. Defense -- everyone is talking about how dominant our defense is and they did play well, but gosh did Matt Flynn make them look good. I never thought I'd see someone hold the ball as long as Patrick Ramsey but now I have seen it with my own eyes. It is clear why he failed to beat out Wilson or even Pryor. That said, as a defense you have to beat up on a weak opponent as well as hanging with a stong opponent, so take the win for what it is.
The only other positive I can really throw in there is that Jenkins and Jackson coming back is significant. These are not "bit players" but starting-caliber players coming back as back ups and rotational duty. Two new players who will get signicant time is nothing to sneeze at. I think this is definitely a positive sign.
3. Special Teams -- well, at least Potter made his kicks, so give him some credit...he's a credible backup, even though we need Forbath back. The blocked punt was embarrasing. Returns? Boy, losing Crawford sure looks bigger now than it did at the beginning of the season. I almost wish they'd put Santana Moss back there. I do not like what Chris Thompson has done for the most part. Santana is willing to do it, so maybe you roll the dice vs. Dallas and put him back there.
4. Random Questions -- I posted this in the main forum but wanted to ask you guys as well about a play during the game, since maybe you saw it.
In the play, Griffin completes a pass to his TE Logan Paulsen. Paulsen is running down the field and four guys are trying to strip the ball from him. They are grabbing at everything, including his facemask, which someone grabs and lets go of real quick. Apparently, the refs don't see it (or I see it wrong), so no flag is thrown. Eventually, someone does actually strip the ball, Paulsen drops it, and the Raiders recover. Raiders first down.
My question is: what would be the outcome if the refs had seen the facemask and called it. Would it be Raiders ball, but moved back 15? Redskins ball and moved forward 15 from spot?
Reason I ask is that facemask in this context usually is not a "play over" penalty, like holding or offsides where the play is actually nullified and you replay the down. Facemask without fumble they would have let the play stand and tack on 15 more.
So, in the case of a facemask, coupled with a fumble and change of possession, how do you rule that?
Obviously the point is moot for the Wash-Oak game cuz the refs never called a penalty, but I'm just asking theoretically what would they do?
5. Commentary -- can someone please teach **** Stockton how to pronounce Brian Orakpo and Roy Helu?
6. Summary -- a win is a win, I'll take it. No,the team doesn't look great but the NFC East is horrid. Shoot for a miracle 9-7 and maybe get in and go on a run. Last year they got better as the year went on...so maybe pray to do it again. You have to win your division games. There are 5 more of those. Try to get 4 of the 5 of those games vs. weak div opponents and then 4-4 the rest of the games, I guess. Tall order but not impossible.
MattFancy
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fatness
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dgreen
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It would depend on the timing of the facemask. If it happens before the Raiders gain possession, it would still be Redskins ball +15 yards. If it happens after the Raiders gain possession, it would be Raiders ball -15 yards.
dgreen
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Outside the Raiders' 81-yard TD drive in the first quarter, the Redskins' D did exactly what it should have done yesterday. Against a bad team, they pretty much shut them down. They gave up only 115 yards on 9 drives between that TD drive and the Helu TD, which gave them a 10-point lead. The gave up 54 yards on the next drive, but "stopped" the Raiders on the world's worst 4th down QB sneak ever. Game over at that point.
It's nothing to necessarily give high praise for, but it was good to see them do what is expected in such a situation.
It's nothing to necessarily give high praise for, but it was good to see them do what is expected in such a situation.
It was particularly nice to see Meriweather making some plays because:
1. He didn't injure himself.
2. He didn't intentionally try to maim anyone, and
3. He actually can tackle and could really help coming up to stop the run.
Good point. In that case, I think the refs missed a significant call. I'd like to go back and "look at the tape," but it seemed like a clear facemask from my vantage point, even if it wasn't one of the "blatant" variety...but I think grabbing his facemask likely contributed to the fumble if nothing else than through distraction...
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Good points! I'll take the win and the others in the NFC East losing is just icing on the cake. This team is concerning, I'd add that our offense didn't really make a substantial drive unless they were under the 2 or 4 minute offense. Makes me think a bit of "fool's gold," compared to it being real or coming together. Surprised nobody else has commented on that or maybe I missed it.
Our defense is suspect and any real team will show how suspect we really are...Raiders without Pryor or DMC just doesn't count as "real." Special Team is HORRIBLE!!! Who knew that it could get worse without Danny Smith. Thompson seems to try to run right into the opposing team, someone should tell him that he's supposed to avoid them.
Sidewinder16
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DE Phillip Merling and K John Potter were released to make room for DE Jarvis Jenkins and OLB Rob Jackson, both returning from suspensions.
fatness
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I am really, really glad both those guys are back. I think each one will make a positive difference in the defense, especially Jackson.
PinkydaPimp
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Im terrified that we have to play both of those teams in the next 3 weeks!
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Considering how we are playing...I think we can safely insert ANYONE instead of "both of those" in your statement. Let's face it, they can't all be Raiders without a starting QB or starting RB, right?
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So this is what this season has become? It's Dallas week and crickets for posts...
I think plenty of us feel the same, want the best, but just not confident about team's performance.
I think plenty of us feel the same, want the best, but just not confident about team's performance.
