***Official*** Washington Redskins 2013 Thread (1 Viewer)

[MattFancy]

So this is what this season has become? It's Dallas week and crickets for posts...

I think plenty of us feel the same, want the best, but just not confident about team's performance.

I have no idea what to expect this week. My head says it will be ugly and we have no chance. But my heart says, hey why not?!

If the offense can do anything in the 1st half, I think we have a shot. Dallas' defense is nothing special, so we should be able to move the ball. But with the way the offense has looked so far, they may not be as easy as it sounds.

Of course I'm worried about the defense, but I think they can get a turnover or 2. Dez worries me, but Hall has usually played well against him. Witten will probably be the one in for a bigger day.

Just really comes down to the offense. We looked great on offense last year in Dallas on Thanksgiving. Can we do it again?

 

[JustinHawkins]

I think the bye week couldn't have come at a better time for this team. Hopefully they took an honest look at the play calling (its been sub par for sure), Morris got completely healthy (already been reported this is the case) and all the rust is gone for RG3. Getting back 2 starters on defense should help as well. I am nervous about the Dallas game, but its not like the Cowgirls have put up that many points every week. Hopefully they come crashing back to earth Sunday.

 

[Sidewinder16]

After watching Tony Pashos struggle against the 'Skins two weeks ago, and Jeremy Trueblood struggle against the Jets this week, my perception of Tyler Polumbus has changed a little. It's somehow nice to know that 1) there are worse starting RTs in the league and 2) the 'Skins made the right decision in not holding on to either of those guys.

Don't get me wrong, though. An upgrade over Polumbus is still needed. It just feels good to see that other teams are in more dire need of an upgrade because they have to start this team's castoffs.

 

[Sidewinder16]

There's a new guy writing for the Post, Mark Bullock. He gets into the Xs and Os, and has some great reads, if you like that stuff. His latest piece on the defensive scheme changes Haslett made after the first 2 weeks.

The Redskins’ secondary issues have been obvious since last season. The addition of rookies David Amerson and Bacarri Rambo along with free agent E.J. Biggers weren’t going to fix everything. But keeping two safeties deep in nickel packages was causing the Redskins problems up front without really benefiting the pass defense that much. Washington can’t afford to give up both the run and the pass if they want to have any chance of success on defense, so Haslett was forced to make a change. They simply had to slow down the opposition’s rushing attack. While they continued to give up yards in the air, the Redskins did see an improvement in run defense. That, at least, gives the Redskins something to build on coming out of the bye week against Dallas.

 

[dgreen]

I'm not super worried about the defense against Dallas. It seems they've played Romo well recently. Denver rarely blitzed and created almost no pressure on Romo (until that final INT when pressure right up the middle led to a bad throw). Redskins have consistently blitzed Romo and have had success. I expect them to do it again. Dallas would be wise to start the game with some WR screens or swing passes to the RB.

 

[MattFancy]

Definitely think getting Jackson and Jenkins back should help the D. How much? Not sure. But those two should give the D a boost. If we can get pressure on Romo, we could have a good chance. We can't let him sit back there all day and pick us apart. Our secondary isn't good enough to hang with their WRs.

 

[jbz]

Not much confidence on both sides of the ball. I hope Kyle doesn't stray from the run early like he did vs the Lions. I think they need to fully unleash the RG3 package of plays on Dallas. That includes the read option. Teams are not respecting it at this point. Let Robert run, even just once or twice early to show it's back as a legit option.

The bye week and a win vs the Raiders (looks like Skins were fortunate they got Flynn instead of Pryor) came at the right time.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Don't like saying this, but this game might just come down to how good Romo plays. Will we see classic Oppps Romo or his rare I'm a top notch NFL QB? If Romo is on his A game, we could have more trouble than we bargain for, but if he isn't...they might just be what the doctor ordered (shakey/not consistent offense and poor defense).

I will say that I do not have confidence in our team yet, they are going to have to show me that they can play winning ball versus a real team (Raiders don't count cuz starting QB and RB didn't play) and that 'Skins can play for 4 quarters (tired of these slow starts/crappy 1st half games).

 

[TxBuckeye]

I'm afraid we're going to get crushed. And I live with a Cowboy's fan. Nothing scientific or anything. I just haven't seen anything to give me confidence in this team. Hopefully they'll prove me wrong just like they did last year. But I just have the feeling I'll be turning the game off by halftime.

 

[JustinHawkins]

This made me laugh out loud

http://www.theonion.com/articles/washington-redskins-change-their-name-to-the-dc-re,34161/

Lol

 

[RGIII HTTR]

This made me laugh out loud

http://www.theonion.com/articles/washington-redskins-change-their-name-to-the-dc-re,34161/

Lol

Nice, good chuckle on this one!

 

[dgreen]

5 games in and I can't pinpoint what these guys do well. No identity.

 

[dgreen]

Alfred Morris ties his season high with 16 touches. Last year at this point, 16 was his lowest number of touches.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'll move this discussion here since it's more relevant.

There's a small, growing part of me that wonders what a fresh, new staff, not a re-tread, could come in and do with all that cap space, our future draft picks, our current talent.

I love what Allen has done for our PR and our image and just our professionalism as an organization off the field. But he's not a real GM, and Shanahan doesn't seem adept at building anything but a dominant running game, decent PA passing game, and a bad defense. Same as his last years in Denver.

It's a little exciting to think what a creative young coach, hired by an autonomous GM who is actually a personnel guy, could do with all the Redskins resources.

 

[dgreen]

They need to make Reed a big piece of the offense going forward. Plan for him to be a focal point and call plays for him. They forced it to Garcon too much tonight, probably because he's basically the only guy who can make a play. But, maybe Reed can keep growing and give them a second playmaker.

 

[Bankerguy]

Haven't seen any of your games this year. Here we're my thoughts on you guys (if you even care).

-you were out coached by Garrett...which is scary. Bad clock management, bad play calling etc etc

-lack of a legit pass rush without blitzing is hard to overcome.

-you guys need a threat other then Robert, Garçon is a nice complimentary player, but you need a legit outside threat.

Morris will be ok once healthier.

-Oline and blocking in general was sub par....the Lee tackle was a great example of it. Block Lee on that play and it's an easy 7.

If I was a Skins fan....I want a new coaching regime. I want to build the trenches on both side of the ball and get a legit play maker on the outside.

See you guys in a few weeks. GG.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

They need to make Reed a big piece of the offense going forward. Plan for him to be a focal point and call plays for him. They forced it to Garcon too much tonight, probably because he's basically the only guy who can make a play. But, maybe Reed can keep growing and give them a second playmaker.

Definitely. He's the only other "plus" player we have on offense besides Trent, Garcon, and Morris.

Part of me thinks that our best bet at getting another playmaker that can help maximize our offensive potential (under this staff or another one), would be to actually invest in another TE this upcoming draft. Go 2-TE all the time, with Garçon out wide and Reed in the slot.

Because without a 1st round pick, and with huge needs on defense and on the OL, it's much more likely that a physical mismatch type talent will fall to us at TE than at WR. And this is a good TE class.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Haven't seen any of your games this year. Here we're my thoughts on you guys (if you even care).

-you were out coached by Garrett...which is scary. Bad clock management, bad play calling etc etc

-lack of a legit pass rush without blitzing is hard to overcome.

-you guys need a threat other then Robert, Garçon is a nice complimentary player, but you need a legit outside threat.

Morris will be ok once healthier.

-Oline and blocking in general was sub par....the Lee tackle was a great example of it. Block Lee on that pay and it's an easy 7.

If I was a Skins fan....I want a new coaching regime. I want to build the trenches on both side of the ball and get a legit play maker on the outside.

See you guys in a few weeks. GG.

Thanks for the thoughts, they're reasonable and pretty much spot on.Even down to the new regime thing. A large part of me wants to steal a personnel guy from a top, proven FO, promote him to GM, and have him hire a fresh coaching staff. No re-treads at GM or HC. That never works.

I've always been for consistency and stability, especially with a talented young QB. But the only thing we've consistently done under Shanahan is look unprepared, undisciplined, slow, and sloppy.

 

[Sebowski]

"Regime" is not the problem. It is tackling and blocking. This regime has been handicapped by BS cap penalties and has a terrible DC. Look at last year's record book. NFC East Champions: Washington Redskins. If it wasn't for a major injury,, who knows. Don't be short sighted. Consistency is also important.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

"Regime" is not the problem. It is tackling and blocking. This regime has been handicapped by BS cap penalties and has a terrible DC. Look at last year's record book. NFC East Champions: Washington Redskins. If it wasn't for a major injury,, who knows. Don't be short sighted. Consistency is also important.

We're consistently average, consistently sloppy and undisciplined, and consistently untalented. RG3 and the RO got us hot for the only 7 games this team has managed to look like a pro football team under this regime. RG3 will be just as capable of getting hot for another coach, with more talent around him.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Haven't seen any of your games this year. Here we're my thoughts on you guys (if you even care).

-you were out coached by Garrett...which is scary. Bad clock management, bad play calling etc etc

-lack of a legit pass rush without blitzing is hard to overcome.

-you guys need a threat other then Robert, Garçon is a nice complimentary player, but you need a legit outside threat.

Morris will be ok once healthier.

-Oline and blocking in general was sub par....the Lee tackle was a great example of it. Block Lee on that play and it's an easy 7.

If I was a Skins fan....I want a new coaching regime. I want to build the trenches on both side of the ball and get a legit play maker on the outside.

See you guys in a few weeks. GG.

Good points, you are actually not far off on them either. Another point I'd add that gives more credence to the poor coaching (all season) is the amazing amount of penalties the Redskins have had...Cowboys clearly out played the Redskins, but I just can't see Redskins beating anyone if they keep beating themselves (penalties). I just don't understand how an OL that was together and intact from last year can't man handle players off the street after Ware went out, absolutely baffling.

 

[JustinHawkins]

Last night's game sucked BUT I saw a HUGE difference in Robert last night. The fear seems to be gone. That is HUGE. After those first 4 games, I was honestly worried he may never be the same. After watching last night, I don't have that concern anymore. They do need more weapons in the passing game, getting a trade for Nicks or actually drafting a good WR next year would be a welcome sight. Morris also needs 20-25 touches a game. As others have said, the defense and special teams continues to just be awful.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Last night's game sucked BUT I saw a HUGE difference in Robert last night. The fear seems to be gone. That is HUGE. After those first 4 games, I was honestly worried he may never be the same. After watching last night, I don't have that concern anymore. They do need more weapons in the passing game, getting a trade for Nicks or actually drafting a good WR next year would be a welcome sight. Morris also needs 20-25 touches a game. As others have said, the defense and special teams continues to just be awful.

The one BIG positive is that RGIII looked more like RGIII, very true. Although, his choice for passing and going through the progressions of all the WR's seems to be lacking. I like that he showed more mobility and confidence to tuck it when needed. They mentioned what the Cowboys scouting said on him, "He locks in on his first read." I find that statement very true...he seems to do better when scrabbling bcuz it makes him have to look around more.

 

[Ted Mullins]

I really agree with the people talking up Reed - hope they use him more going forward. Also agree it was nice to see RG3 run around some.

I think part of the reason they look like they have no identity (on offense at least) is because they keep getting behind - the run heavy/play action focused offense worked so well last year, but they keep getting behind early and that doesn't let them play to their strengths. I personally think RG3 has a ton of promise as a passer, but his weapons are pretty poor and the o-line really struggles with pass blocking.

I never thought they'd start this poorly - honestly, I thought this was a 7-9 win team even if they had to start Cousins for some reason. Before RG3 went down in the playoff game, they were really taking it to the Seahawks, and they had looked like the best team in the league the last few weeks of the year.

 

[fatness]

The bad old days are here again.

 

[Hang 10]

I'll move this discussion here since it's more relevant.

There's a small, growing part of me that wonders what a fresh, new staff, not a re-tread, could come in and do with all that cap space, our future draft picks, our current talent.

I love what Allen has done for our PR and our image and just our professionalism as an organization off the field. But he's not a real GM, and Shanahan doesn't seem adept at building anything but a dominant running game, decent PA passing game, and a bad defense. Same as his last years in Denver.

It's a little exciting to think what a creative young coach, hired by an autonomous GM who is actually a personnel guy, could do with all the Redskins resources.

Barring something miraculous, it's time go in a completely new direction this off season. How embarrassing has this season been so far? Where is the progression with this team? There is none. It's pretty clear that last years win streak was nothing more a fluke and hot QB, which this team ran into the ground btw. I just cannot believe how unprepared they've looked going into games where they've had the most time to prepare for...ie the opener and last night. What a trainwreck.

The one silver lining is that I think with the right coach this team could turn around relatively quickly...especially because or division is horrible. New FO with tons of cap room. Let's fire up the offseason thread now.

 

[Hang 10]

Also, in a league where the good teams are finding ways to run their offense faster and huddle up less, why do we still have the worlds slowest 2 minute offense? Any idiot that's played madden once could have done a better job managing the clock before the end of the first half.

 

[simmonjm]

Cowboys fan here, how come the Redskins don't run a two TE set as their base offense with Fred Davis and Reed and have hankerson/garcon split wide with Morris in backfield. Seems like their best group of playmakers would be on the field.

 

[JustinHawkins]

The bad old days are here again.

No they aren't. We have a franchise QB in RG3 and Bruce Allen as our GM. You forgot what it was like when Vinny was here??

 

[JustinHawkins]

with tons of cap room.

Will the Skins have a ton of cap room next year? Hope so, but haven't seen anything on those numbers yet.

 

[Hang 10]

Well, I'm not sure of the exact number but the cap penalty will go away so I guess that's like an extra 18 million.

 

[dgreen]

Last night's game sucked BUT I saw a HUGE difference in Robert last night. The fear seems to be gone. That is HUGE. After those first 4 games, I was honestly worried he may never be the same. After watching last night, I don't have that concern anymore. They do need more weapons in the passing game, getting a trade for Nicks or actually drafting a good WR next year would be a welcome sight. Morris also needs 20-25 touches a game. As others have said, the defense and special teams continues to just be awful.

The one BIG positive is that RGIII looked more like RGIII, very true. Although, his choice for passing and going through the progressions of all the WR's seems to be lacking. I like that he showed more mobility and confidence to tuck it when needed. They mentioned what the Cowboys scouting said on him, "He locks in on his first read." I find that statement very true...he seems to do better when scrabbling bcuz it makes him have to look around more.

There's a difference between "locking in on the first read" and regularly throwing to your first read. I think a large reason he was a 1 look passer last year was because that first guy was open very often. He didn't have much need to go to a 2nd or 3rd read. This year, that first guy isn't open as often and he's either forcing it in there anyway or not moving on to his next guy fast enough.

 

[dgreen]

Well, I'm not sure of the exact number but the cap penalty will go away so I guess that's like an extra 18 million.

I found a Rich Tanlder article that estimates $36M in cap space in 2014 with 48 players under contract. I'm sure he's probably off on some things, but I doubt he's off enough to make me doubt that they'll have tons of cap space compared to the number of roster spots they'll need to fill.

 

[fatness]

The bad old days are here again.

No they aren't. We have a franchise QB in RG3 and Bruce Allen as our GM. You forgot what it was like when Vinny was here??

You're avoiding talking about what's happening on the field, which is ultimately what matters. They have Chicago next week and Denver the following week and there's reason to believe they'll be 1-6. They are in a weak division and are 1-4 and have lost both their division games so far. They continue as they've done through most of Shanahan's tenure --- looking unprepared, unable to adjust except at halftime, critical penalties, a below-par offensive line, a weak defense, terrible clock management, and bad playcalling much of the time.

We're 5 games into the season and talking about next year already. The bad old days are here again.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Cowboys fan here, how come the Redskins don't run a two TE set as their base offense with Fred Davis and Reed and have hankerson/garcon split wide with Morris in backfield. Seems like their best group of playmakers would be on the field.

Good question...it appears that Fred Davis has fallen out of favor with the coaching staff. Nobody really know exactly what is going on there, but his days are numbers with the 'Skins (especially with how Reed has looked).

 

[RGIII HTTR]

The bad old days are here again.

Not that bleak, but I can understand the reaction. I think we all believed this team was better with the great performance that got us in the playoffs. Unfortunately, it appears we were on a momentum and not true to the level as it has not carried over. This is on point for the defense as it is again showing to sub-par. It is amazing when a team takes a lead, how it can make their defense better than they are since they know the other team has to pass more to catch up...I think that is the case with us.

 

[fatness]

John Keim's reactions after the game.

It's shocking that the Redskins lost by 15 points on a night when the defense: held Dallas to 213 yards; held receiver Dez Bryant to 36 yards receiving; held Tony Romo to a 72.9 passer rating. The defense deserves credit. But when you're playing poorly, losses like this happen. Or when you're a bad team. After five games there's no reason to think the Redskins are anything but a bad team. They play like bad teams do, with all the mistakes being made at the wrong times. Anything can still happen, but at least last season they could point to a handful of early games that showed what they could do. What game can they point to this season as proof that they are on the verge of ... anything?

I understand that the team played a bit over its head last year and I'd understand if they played a bit under their ability level this year. But if they were playing a bit under their ability this year they'd be 3-2 or 2-3 right now. I think I've been wrong (and perhaps a lot of us have been wrong) about what their ability level really is. They're just bad. Do we think they'll stick as close to Denver as the Jaguars did? Do we think they'll beat the Giants? Based on what I've seen so far this year I'm not optimistic about either of those things right now.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

The bad old days are here again.

No they aren't. We have a franchise QB in RG3 and Bruce Allen as our GM. You forgot what it was like when Vinny was here??

Bruce Allen as our GM has been good for our off-field image and rep around the league. He's repaired relationships with Redskins alumni, which is important, connecting our present to our past.

But he's not a traditional GM. He's a numbers man and a PR guy.

We need a real personnel guy here running things, especially the draft. Shanahan isn't good at it, and Allen doesn't do it.

Both Shanahan and Allen need to go, but Allen will be a delicate situation, being George Allen's son and all.

 

[Warrior]

Try

"Regime" is not the problem. It is tackling and blocking. This regime has been handicapped by BS cap penalties and has a terrible DC. Look at last year's record book. NFC East Champions: Washington Redskins. If it wasn't for a major injury,, who knows. Don't be short sighted. Consistency is also important.

Seriously. This Regime Change Talk Is Pure Stupidity. Talk About Short Sighted.They Win Us The Division Last Year And Now Should Be Kicked To The Curb? Panic Mode/childish Response By Some Of You In This Thread.

Ps Sorry For The Capitalization...Phone IS Causing Issues.

 

[dgreen]

The bad old days are here again.

No they aren't. We have a franchise QB in RG3 and Bruce Allen as our GM. You forgot what it was like when Vinny was here??

Bruce Allen as our GM has been good for our off-field image and rep around the league. He's repaired relationships with Redskins alumni, which is important, connecting our present to our past.

But he's not a traditional GM. He's a numbers man and a PR guy.

We need a real personnel guy here running things, especially the draft. Shanahan isn't good at it, and Allen doesn't do it.

Both Shanahan and Allen need to go, but Allen will be a delicate situation, being George Allen's son and all.

I'm not sure Allen needs to go, but maybe a change in Title would be good. Make him President of Off Field Stuff or something. Basically, if you are going to do a regime change, that can be done with Allen staying with the organization and separated on the org chart from the new football people (GM and HC).

ETA: Not saying I'm necessarily on board with canning Shanahan. Just saying that if there is a change, I'm not sure Allen would have to go.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Cowboys fan here, how come the Redskins don't run a two TE set as their base offense with Fred Davis and Reed and have hankerson/garcon split wide with Morris in backfield. Seems like their best group of playmakers would be on the field.

They'd sacrifice a lot in blocking by taking Young out and they'd shift a defender inside to clog up the dive option on the zone read (and I'm not certain that Davis is anymore of a playmaking threat than Moss out of the slot anyway).

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

I want this guy http://www.neworleanssaints.com/team/coaches/pete-carmichael-jr/79017a40-0318-4adc-8699-0920a7aaaed3

 

[fatness]

Seriously. This Regime Change Talk Is Pure Stupidity. Talk About Short Sighted.They Win Us The Division Last Year And Now Should Be Kicked To The Curb? Panic Mode/childish Response By Some Of You In This Thread.Ps Sorry For The Capitalization...Phone IS Causing Issues.

No Problem Dude It Happens To Many People.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

http://nfl.si.com/2013/08/28/assistant-coaches-who-deserve-to-be-nfl-head-coaches/ Zimmer and Roman from this list as well., This team has no image. I dont want Gruden of Cowher, not any other retread, I want a young guy out there ready to make a mark

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Try

"Regime" is not the problem. It is tackling and blocking. This regime has been handicapped by BS cap penalties and has a terrible DC. Look at last year's record book. NFC East Champions: Washington Redskins. If it wasn't for a major injury,, who knows. Don't be short sighted. Consistency is also important.

Seriously. This Regime Change Talk Is Pure Stupidity. Talk About Short Sighted.They Win Us The Division Last Year And Now Should Be Kicked To The Curb? Panic Mode/childish Response By Some Of You In This Thread.Ps Sorry For The Capitalization...Phone IS Causing Issues.

We're into this regime's 4th year. Not only are we lacking talent all over the roster, we're still undisciplined, sloppy, and slow, and lacking any sort of fire week to week. We accumulate more penalties than 3rd down conversions. Our offense and defense are both built to play with a lead...and yet we can't score in the first half. Shanahan's esteemed ZBS is supposed to make it cheaper and easier to field an OL with lesser players that fit the scheme, and yet after four seasons our OL is still arguably our biggest weakness.Shanahan is 22-31 here. That's only going to get worse. He could legitimately double up on losses to wins.

What moron organization lets that continue into a 5th year?

 

[TxBuckeye]

Griffin may be looking "better," but he isn't looking good. His passing isn't accurate. And two more turnovers, one a costly fumble that led directly to easy points. He still has a long way to go.

 

[fatness]

The Redskins rank 28th covering kickoffs and 30th covering punts. They’re 30th in kick return average and 27th in punt return average.

John Keim

“I said that when you have two weeks to prepare for a team, you have to come out with the best scheme, offensively, defensively and special teams. And I’ll say this: Keith Burns, you are a problem right now because you can’t seem to get your guys to play for you. The one thing that every coach has to have – great coaches – they have to have the ability to get people to buy into what they’re trying to present. And at this point, they’re not buying into one damn thing that you’re presenting. Because they can’t cover kicks, they’re not returning the ball, you can’t seem to get anything together out there. Special teams is supposed to be a part of the game that throws momentum to your side. What the hell momentum are they throwing? … Special teams totally sucked tonight.”

Brian Mitchell

 

[fatness]

Shanahan is 22-31 here.

This is starting to remind me of Gibbs 2.0, when they compiled an overall losing record and really were not making progress. 6-10, 10-6, 5-11, 9-7. They made the playoffs twice, the second time when they played way over their heads after Sean Taylor's death, and had an overall losing record under Gibbs.

Shanahan's record is worse, with 1 playoff appearance. They hit a hot streak last year even more impressive than the hot streak after Taylor's death, and made the playoffs. I think that fooled us all into seeing them as being better than they are.

Defense under Shanahan has been bad overall with some periods of time that were just disastrous. There have been games each season where the team looked utterly unprepared. Special teams have been a pretty consistent stink.

At 1-4 it's pretty difficult to look at the body of Shanahan's work here and see it as equal to Gibbs 2.0. Both seem to get by more on previous reputation than on current performance.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

The Redskins rank 28th covering kickoffs and 30th covering punts. They’re 30th in kick return average and 27th in punt return average.

John Keim

“I said that when you have two weeks to prepare for a team, you have to come out with the best scheme, offensively, defensively and special teams. And I’ll say this: Keith Burns, you are a problem right now because you can’t seem to get your guys to play for you. The one thing that every coach has to have – great coaches – they have to have the ability to get people to buy into what they’re trying to present. And at this point, they’re not buying into one damn thing that you’re presenting. Because they can’t cover kicks, they’re not returning the ball, you can’t seem to get anything together out there. Special teams is supposed to be a part of the game that throws momentum to your side. What the hell momentum are they throwing? … Special teams totally sucked tonight.”

Brian Mitchell

More good points on what we've been discussing for sometime now...our Special Team is far from anything special!

 

[fatness]

Kehl and Sundberg are gone for the season due to injury. Is anyone here a long snapper?