Don Quixote
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According to other quotes that I've seen, he said he was 99% sure that he was retiring.
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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2013 Thread (4 Viewers)
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Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Yeah, that he even addressed the issue during the season is news. He usually puts off any sort of retirement talk/consideration until the offseason.
And he's not under contract for next season. He'd be a free agent.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
A list of the pending free agents on the roster (Robinson and Gumbs are exclusive-rights FAs; Worthington and Crompton are RFAs; all others are UFAs):
London Fletcherhttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/london-fletcher/
Brian Orakpohttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/brian-orakpo/
Josh Morganhttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/josh-morgan/
Santana Mosshttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/santana-moss/
Josh Wilsonhttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/josh-wilson/
Fred Davishttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/fred-davis/
E.J. Biggershttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/e.j.-biggers/
Reed Doughtyhttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/reed-doughty/
Perry Rileyhttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/perry-riley/
Chris Bakerhttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/chris-baker/
DeAngelo Hallhttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/deangelo-hall/
Bryan Kehlhttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/bryan-kehl/
Dezmon Briscoehttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/dezmon-briscoe/
Darryl Tapphttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/darryl-tapp/
Rex Grossmanhttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/rex-grossman/
Nick Barnetthttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/nick-barnett/
Rob Jacksonhttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/rob-jackson/
Aldrick Robinsonhttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/aldrick-robinson/
Jose Gumbshttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/jose-gumbs/
Doug Worthingtonhttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/doug-worthington/
Jonathan Cromptonhttp://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/jonathan-crompton/
ETA: I think any discussion, re: who the team should re-sign or not, is moot until coaches and schemes for next year are much, much clearer. If there's an entire housecleaning, I'm fine with any and all, of these guys moving on, if the new staff deems them expendable or bad fits for the schemes they want to run. If there is any remnant of this year's staff/schemes going in to next year, I'd say re-sign Orakpo, Riley, Baker and Hall for sure. Any of the rest of them, only if the price is right (i.e. if they'll take vet min., for the most part).
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Ted Mullins
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dhockster
Footballguy
I wasn't sure whether he was all hype when we hired him; I have been pleasantly surprised by this season. That of course is no guarantee that he will be successful over the long haul, although he seems to have the right mentality to be successful.
This may not be popular, but the biggest no brainer is re-signing Reed Doughty, regardless of who the coach is.
He is a back up safety and a special teams ace. Back up safeties don't make that much and he is pretty good at it (for a backup). He is also a speical teams ace that is sorely lacking in talent.
Doughty has been a free agent before and re-signed with the Redskins for the veteran minimum. If he wants to stya in DC, he will probably do it again.
Ted Mullins
Footballguy
Here's another good article about RG3 - Chris Brown does great stuff.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/86415/what-really-went-wrong-with-robert-griffin-iii
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/86415/what-really-went-wrong-with-robert-griffin-iii
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
thanks, great article, very balanced in the midst of a maelstrom of one-sided takes.
one of the best i've read this year, period.
few excerpts...
"There's one area of Griffin's game that truly concerns me, though. And if we believe Mike Shanahan, it was also his biggest worry: Griffin takes too many hits. More accurately, he takes too many big hits. Even more accurately, Griffin, more than any other player I've seen, seems preternaturally gifted at taking the biggest hit imaginable in almost every circumstance. It sounds like hyperbole, but in nearly every game there are three, four, five, and sometimes six or more times that Griffin goes flying as though some Wile E. Coyote explosive detonated in his face."
"There are many, many, many, many examples of Griffin getting lit up, either resulting in injury or coming dangerously close. For Griffin, it's partly about the read option, but not entirely. Eagles head coach Chip Kelly has a mnemonic for quarterbacks when they run the ball: "touchdown, first down, get down." The idea is that the quarterback takes what the defense gives him — but absolutely no more.
"If [the quarterback has] open grass and there's nobody in front of you, hopefully you'll run all the way," Kelly explained this summer. "If you can go 60 yards and run it in, God bless you. We're not telling them to hook slide. We're just telling them that when contact is imminent, our guys are not 250-pound bowling balls. They're going to run you over."
"It sounds harsh — and a little ridiculous — to say Griffin can improve as a quarterback by not running into walls or allowing himself to be tossed around like a rag doll when he's trying to throw blocks on reverses, but it's true. Hits like these have a cumulative effect that will diminish Griffin's ability to play quarterback. As Kelly noted, quarterbacks "have to understand the best ability is durability. They have to go out and play the next snap."
yet he is ultimately optimistic, and explains why.
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
I don't see anything remarkable in that at all. Fletcher got to play all year and keep his streak alive, despite quite a bit of getting pushed around on runs and being beaten in pass coverage. The HC made sure he was on the field, so him sticking up for the HC is to be expected.
Shanahan's gone. Fletcher's gone. They both (wisely) said very good things about each other.
fatness
Footballguy
Yeah, I realize it's talking blind until we know who's coaching. But we have no clue who will be coaching, we do know how those players have done on the field or in practice, so there's that much to talk about.
fatness
Footballguy
Ted Mullins
Footballguy
Yep, I personally think it's hard to imagine him playing for 10+ years this way - he desperately needs to stop taking so many unneeded huge hits. If you watch Kap or Russell Wilson they will run the ball 5-10 times every game and get every yard that's available to them, but I swear Robert takes more big hits in 2 weeks than they will all season. I read an intervirew on the Every Day Should Be Saturday blog with Art Briles and they asked Art about Griffin running in the NFL and he summed it up pretty well - in college the coach just needs you to be able to play 2-3 years, whereas in the NFL they are expecting 10+ out of a star QB and have a huge amount of money invested. You have to manage the risk a lot better.
I still agree with the positive long term take on Griffin as a QB. Seems like he has some mental and technique issues to iron out, so I would assume that those things suffered with an offseason heavily focused on rehab. Most of what I've read suggests his work ethic is impeccable and he has the physical tools.
fatness
Footballguy
I listened to Chris Cooley do his film breakdown of each player's performance in the last game. He does it every week now and it's one of the more interesting things on local sports radio. Today he did the defense, and here's what I remember:
Cofield is not a nose tackle, can't successfully deal with double-teams, and would be a good quick DE.
Neild is just blah, nothing remarkable.
Chris Baker is the real deal at nose tackle, or at tackle in a 4-3. He collapses double-teams. His problem is that he gets winded quickly.
Kerrigan has only one pass rush move, a bull rush, and when that's expected he's neutalized. He'd be better inside at tackle on obvious passing downs because he can be quick. He's a liability in pass protection.
Orakpo is only decent at pass rushing and needs to develop one more move to be good at it. He's improved against the run.
Jarvis Jenkins had problems earlier with being too high, but is regularly improving and would be a good DE in a 4-3.
The entire defense seems more interested in executing their assigned part of a scheme than in quickly recognizing what's happening on the play and reacting to it.
The entire defense is slow to get to their assigned part of a scheme.
The coaches only teach one pass-rush move.
Riley looks slow. Quite good other than that and pays attention to the QB during pass coverage, which few on the team do. But slow.
Josh Wilson won't be here next year.
Biggers is terrible at safety, which is understandable since he's a CB. Not a good one, but a CB.
Doughty is good against the run but has never learned the necessary hip movements to pass cover well.
Hall is aggressive sometimes and soft sometimes. Seems to spend a good bit of time trying to bait a QB. He's one of the others who pays attention to what the QB is doing and not just to scheme.
Amerson is good, improving, and is going to be very good at CB. Few receivers can shed his press coverage.
Cofield is not a nose tackle, can't successfully deal with double-teams, and would be a good quick DE.
Neild is just blah, nothing remarkable.
Chris Baker is the real deal at nose tackle, or at tackle in a 4-3. He collapses double-teams. His problem is that he gets winded quickly.
Kerrigan has only one pass rush move, a bull rush, and when that's expected he's neutalized. He'd be better inside at tackle on obvious passing downs because he can be quick. He's a liability in pass protection.
Orakpo is only decent at pass rushing and needs to develop one more move to be good at it. He's improved against the run.
Jarvis Jenkins had problems earlier with being too high, but is regularly improving and would be a good DE in a 4-3.
The entire defense seems more interested in executing their assigned part of a scheme than in quickly recognizing what's happening on the play and reacting to it.
The entire defense is slow to get to their assigned part of a scheme.
The coaches only teach one pass-rush move.
Riley looks slow. Quite good other than that and pays attention to the QB during pass coverage, which few on the team do. But slow.
Josh Wilson won't be here next year.
Biggers is terrible at safety, which is understandable since he's a CB. Not a good one, but a CB.
Doughty is good against the run but has never learned the necessary hip movements to pass cover well.
Hall is aggressive sometimes and soft sometimes. Seems to spend a good bit of time trying to bait a QB. He's one of the others who pays attention to what the QB is doing and not just to scheme.
Amerson is good, improving, and is going to be very good at CB. Few receivers can shed his press coverage.
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
His defenses, and sticking up for his terrible DC hires, were his downfall in Denver, too.
I heard the same thing on the radio.
Doughty's tight hips are more of a physical characteristic than something to be learned. Cooley said Doughty diagnoses plays well, but is slow to get their with his slow hips. He is just physically limited.
Some other notes from Cooley:
Rob Jackson is a football player and he can't understand why Jackson does not get more playing time. If Jackson were faster, he would be very good (I forgot the word Cooley used).
Biggers is not a football player. He is best suited for DB with his speed, but his instincts are poor. On one play, he has man coverage on Gonzalez. Gonzalez fell down, so Biggers left Gonzalez to go after Ryan. Ryan flips the ball to Gonzalez who has gotten up. Completely uncomprehisible.
Cooley is not a big Orakpo fan, but said he played better and is the most physically gifted player on the defense. Orakpo has told Cooley that most will not understand, but he is limited in what he can do because of containment assignments. Cooley has mentioned this more than once. It sounds like a defensive scheme issue that prevents some/much of the pass rush.
Cooley also noted that Orakpo and Kerrigan both have one pass rush move (a rip move). This also sounded like the Redskins coaches are not working on or teaching other pass rush moves.
Cooley has mentioned on multiple weeks that he cannot understand why the CBs play so far off the WRs. And they are not particularly good at it too.
There are a lot of issues with the defense and based on Cooley's comments, a lot of it sounds like it is the scheme and the coaching.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Here's a couple of articles re: player evaluation and how/if they may factor in to the future of the team.
This one, by Keim, looks specifically at the FAs.
This one, by Mark Bullock, looks at each offensive position group (it's also a week+ old, so it was written before the Griffin benching was formally announced).
This one, by Keim, looks specifically at the FAs.
This one, by Mark Bullock, looks at each offensive position group (it's also a week+ old, so it was written before the Griffin benching was formally announced).
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Can the Skins win the game this Sunday? Please.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
No bigger incentive that playing Dallas, so regardless how our season has gone prior to the game...should expect an all out effort.
Kerrigan a liability is pass protection! I knew it, lol. He is pretty bad at covering guys...I still recall him trying to run with Shady McCoy. Ugh, brilliant scheme design there.
I still think they should switch to the 4-3 and Cooley's comments looks like it's valid.
We really need to see Rambo and Thomas to develop quickly into quality NFL safeties.
fatness
Footballguy
In a season chock full of horrible plays that one still sticks in my mind as the worst -- Kerrigan's huge self chasing the much faster McCoy. I don't blame Kerrigan, he was doing what he was supposed to do. I blame the guy who gave him such a futile assignment -- Haslett.
Haslett said recently the Skins should re-sign Orakpo. To me that said one thing: "I know I'm out of here, so I'm going to let loose with an opinion."
fatness
Footballguy
I have posted about Cooley's analysis before. I think it is awesome. He offers some really insight into the players and what to look for.
One more thought on player evaluations: The Redskins are 3-11. They clearly are not playing well as a team. Therefore, most, if not every player, is not going to look that good. And it gets hard to tell who/what causes each of the breakdowns. But in the end, everyone looks bad. So everyone is going to evaluate poorly in a lost season like this one.
Cooley was specifically asked if the personnel would fit a 4-3 better. He responded "no." They just need better players and maybe play them in different roles.
Regardless of what happens with the coaches, the defense needs a personnel overhaul. I still stand by my claim that the top issue with the defense is the lack of pass rush pressure. There just isn't much. And you need to look at the DL and OLB for the lack of pass rush. But people have not been talking much about changes needed in those positions.
Seems like the only time the Skins generate pass rush is when they send Josh Wilson on a nickel blitz. The opposing team figures it out rather quickly.
I disagree with Cooley on the 3-4 vs 4-3 thing, but he would know better. Any scheme that asks Kerrigan and/or Orakpo to drop into coverage doesn't fit the players IMO. Now they'll be down a MLB in Fletcher. In a 4-3, Riley Jr would be fine as the mike wouldn't he? It seems like Rak and Kerrigan would be natural 4-3 DEs, the interior guys could all rotate, even slide Jenkins inside on passing downs, etc. Just seems better. Or maybe it's just me remembering all the good Redskins Ds and they were all 4-3?
I disagree with Cooley on the 3-4 vs 4-3 thing, but he would know better. Any scheme that asks Kerrigan and/or Orakpo to drop into coverage doesn't fit the players IMO. Now they'll be down a MLB in Fletcher. In a 4-3, Riley Jr would be fine as the mike wouldn't he? It seems like Rak and Kerrigan would be natural 4-3 DEs, the interior guys could all rotate, even slide Jenkins inside on passing downs, etc. Just seems better. Or maybe it's just me remembering all the good Redskins Ds and they were all 4-3?
I think Cooley's point is that the personnel does not really fit either scheme. In a 3-4, they lack a NT and Orakpo, and especially Kerrigan, must drop into pass coverage.
In a 4-3, you would probably be hurting a LB. Riley is serviceable, but also a free agent.
With all the free agents, there could be a really big overhaul of the defense this offseason, even is they stick with a 3-4. And that would be a welcome change.
It is actually a good time to bring in a new coaching staff. Lot of player contracts are up and they have lots of money to spend in free agency. They will be able to bring in a lot of new players.
fatness
Footballguy
That's why I think a 4-3 would be better for the personnel they have. They would be in decent shape on the D-line, and would need 2 LB's. Riley's good enough to start.Marvelous said:
The secondary needs serious help regardless of 3-4 or 4-3.
And I agree, it's a good time for a coaching turnover.
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Sebowski
Footballguy
I'm officially upset RG3 isn't playing. It's the ####### cowboys. He needs to be suited up and fighting if he is healthy. Looking down the arel of the #1 pick against the biggest rivals. No way he is getting better on the sidelines today. And it completely takes away interest in this game. We should be watching our future QB grow in a game like this at the end of the year. This is a glorified preseason game now.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Agreed.
But I have to admit, even though I think it was the wrong decision by Shanahan with the wrong motives, it IS kinda nice not to spend the entire game cringing and hoping Griffin makes it to mini camps and OTA's with the new coaching staff.
But it's hard to remember that on game day, at home, vs. Dallas.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I'll be kinda excited knowing that every second that ticks off the clock is counting down Shanahan's last 60 minutes of game time spent "coaching" this team. Then the news leaks start about him being gone. Then it's official on Black Monday and we can all get excited over something again.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
Supposedly Cousins has the same QB rating in the last two games as RG3 did in his last two.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
This Rams fan will be on the edge of his seat the entire game. Go G-Men!!!! Go Texans!!!!
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
I think he meant for WAS (and NYG fans).Remember what Barry Sanders said.
This rams fan wishing RGIII resumes his meteoric career another season removed from the knee injury (and getting the dueling winged shanahan monkeys off his back).
Some know this already, but the biggest reason it takes closer to two years than one to return more closely to form? pain or stiffness associated with the surgical procedure incision itself or scar tissue? what many have described is that it has to do with the bodies internal sense of itself (including while in motion) called proprioception. some of the nerves are severed, so it can take that extra length of time for the signaling pathways to be rerouted, to the point where the body remembers and relearns what it used to feel like, and can restore that sensation, for instance, of the ability to cut on a dime naturally.
he was a world class track athlete with a howitzer arm that set NFL records for Y/A and low INT percentage. he is still that guy (absolutely it hurt having to spend all his offseason and preseason time rehabbing instead of working on his game, so along with not being physically right, it all compounded and snowballed, not to mention the poisonous coaching relationship). IMO, barring injury (admittedly a sobering caveat that gives pause), he is destined to be that player again. this season didn't mark the beginning of a downward trajectory in his career, just a brief interlude that should be quickly forgotten next season.
the pain of the trade needs to endured for one more year, but hopefully, he will be around for a decade or more, long past the point where his cost will be a focus, IF he fulfills the potential of that masterful debut.
If i did have a criticism, it is intangibles-related... he could stand some maturation and leadership. maybe his circle of family/handlers/advisers is too insular and in need of some outside perspective (though not necessarily from donovan mcnabb - even if he had hipped him to the shanahan "axis of evil", it isn't like he would have able to do anything about it)?
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fatness
Footballguy
That loss was inevitable. You could just feel it coming. This whole season has been one big collapse, and there's no way the Skins were stopping Dallas from scoring that last TD.
I can't wait for this team to stick its finger down its throat and start vomiting Shanahans and Hasletts.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
lol and cousins had a full offseason and better matchups. at least this shows management that neither qb would be successful in this offense currently.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
i saw a sportswriter was going to start a kickstarter to buy the team from Danny boy. i hope that actually happens.
Ted Mullins
Footballguy
Might be talking about this guy -PinkydaPimp said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/12/11/why-david-chang-wants-to-buy-the-redskins/
Have not seen anything else about it.
dgreen
Footballguy
Yeah, that was strange. I think the Redskins have generally had success blitzing Romo the last few years. That was a situation where you needed to make him get rid of the football quickly. Instead, they gave him all the time he wanted and scored on a freaking check down.MattFancy said:
